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750407 - Morning Walk - Mayapur

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<div class="code"> 750407MW-MAYAPUR - April 07, 1975 - 43:31 Minutes</div>

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'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Money is nothing but paper, but with the paper I can buy food. So why is it that we say that money is nothing but paper?

'''Prabhupāda:''' You belong to the cheaters' association. You are cheated, and you cheat others. So the whole world is the association of cheaters and cheated. That's all. Because you are cheated, you want to cheat others.

'''Devotee:''' Sometimes, Śrīla Prabhupāda, they say well, if there is no God, then it doesn't matter what I do. But there is God, and He knows what I am going to do at every moment, then it doesn't matter what I do either. He knows what I am going to do, so what does it matter? I can do anything.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, but why do you suffer? Why do you suffer? You do anything, that's all right, but why do you suffer?

'''Devotee:''' Well, it's all God's plan. I suffer according to God's plan; I enjoy according to God's plan.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Then there is God?

'''Devotee:''' Yeah, there may be God, but what does it matter what I do? He is controlling everything. What do I have to say?

'''Prabhupāda:''' You are so senseless that you do not understand that you are suffering. That is required. That, just like cats and dogs, they are suffering, they cannot understand. Your position is like that. So our point is that you are suffering, but if you become obedient to God, you will not suffer. That is our propaganda. But you are so fool, rascal, that you do not know you are suffering. And still you are denying. God is the master, so if you do something wrong, you must suffer. That you are suffering. And we are preaching that don't do wrong, be very nice, you will not suffer. This is our propaganda.

'''Satsvarūpa:''' But the devotees, they seem to be suffering too, from . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, you cannot expect, if you are suffering from some disease, you cannot expect to be cured immediately. But one who is taking the medicine, he is intelligent. His sufferings will be gone. But these rascals, they will not take medicine even. They will continue to suffer. This is the position. Devotees actually do not suffer, but you see that he is suffering, because you are suffering. Devotees do not suffer.

'''Madhudviṣa:''' What happens to them?

'''Prabhupāda:''' They enjoy. They enjoy. Hare Kṛṣṇa! How you are dancing always, Hare Kṛṣṇa, unless you are enjoying?

'''Madhudviṣa:''' Sometimes I get sick stomach too.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right, because you have got this body. And after giving up this body, completely blissful life. ''Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]). You are not going to get another body of suffering. That is your advantage. And these rascals, they are going to continue, one body after another, simply suffering. And for the devotees, although they do not suffer, it is just like the fan is moving, you make the switch off. It is actually not moving, it is by the last force it is moving, but the switch is off. And it will stop suffering. But you have no such chance. You will simply go on suffering, moving, moving, moving, ''bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate'' ([[BG 8.19 (1972)|BG 8.19]]). You shall have to accept one body, suffer, and again give up this body, another body suffer. Because so long as you'll accept material body, this body or that body, you will have to suffer. Material body means suffering. So those who are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, they will change bodies one after another and continue to suffer threefold miseries. And devotees, actually they are not suffering, but even if you say they are suffering, so after giving up this body, they are no more accepting material body. They will remain in spiritual body.

'''Satsvarūpa:''' The materialist would say that is our faith.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

'''Satsvarūpa:''' The materialist says that is our faith.

'''Prabhupāda:''' It may be your faith also; you do not believe it. Your faith: wrong faith. And if we are accepting this faith, so if there is chance, so we are getting promotion. But you have no faith; you will continue to suffer. We are at least taking the chance, but you are so foolish, you are not taking the chance even. So your suffering will continue.

'''Jayapatāka:''' In India they say, "Well, we will take the chance when Kṛṣṇa wishes. Whenever He wishes. His will is everything, that whenever He makes me Kṛṣṇa conscious, then . . ."

'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa said that you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). He wishes. Why you don't take up His wish?

'''Gargamuni:''' Because He is everything.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He is everything; therefore ask Him. You do it.

'''Gargamuni:''' I am nothing; He is everything.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You can speak like rascal. (laughter) Why you are speaking?

'''Trivikrama:''' ''Jaya'' Gurudeva. Double-talk.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Why did God arrange for the pleasures of sense gratification if He wants us to go back to home, back to Godhead?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, senses are meant for enjoyment. But if you want to enjoy your senses in diseased condition, that is your misfortune. You have to cure your disease, then you will enjoy. Just like the tongue, in diseased condition, even if you are given ''rasagullā'', you will not taste it. Senses, senses . . . We are not the Māyāvādīs. They finish the senses, make . . . become impersonal. That is not our program. We want to purify the senses. ''Sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]). Purīfy. The diseased man, he cannot see. He has got some glaucoma disease. Cure it, and he will see very nicely. That is our program. The Māyāvādī program is that if this eye is giving trouble, I cannot see, pluck it out. We are not doing that. We are trying to cure the disease and see. So senses should be cured, and then you will be able to enjoy. That is our program. We are not stopping sense enjoyment; we are trying to give you real sense enjoyment.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, but I see that your devotees, they are working every day, doing so many things. I am also working. Why is it that . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' But you are working blindly. Just like monkey, he is busy, but he does no value. You work under our direction, then it will be of value. (''japa'') ''Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]). Senses are not to be abolished. This cannot be. It has to be purified. And then, when the senses are engaged in the service of the proprietor of the senses, then it will be perfect.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So this body is temporary anyway, so aren't these senses temporary also?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Senses are there. The dog has senses; you have got also senses. Body may change, but the senses will continue.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' But when the body is finally finished, aren't the senses also finished?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Body will have finished when you are liberated. Otherwise, one after another, another body, that's all. Childhood body is finished; you have got another body. But in a childhood body there were senses, and still you have got senses. The body may change, but the senses will continue. Even in the small ant, for sense gratification they gather as soon as there will be grain of sugar immediately. They have got the same senses. Just like you run after something according to your estimation very big, for them that one grain of sugar is very big. So they are also running after sense gratification. So anybody, ''viṣaya karuṇa sarva dakṣaya'', whatever body you may get, the senses will be there, and you'll enjoy, according to your capacity.

'''Yaśodānandana:''' If we take the position of an objective observer, and we look at the hog and we see that his standard of happiness is very low . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' You become attracted. When the hog enjoys senses without any discrimination, you become attracted: "Very nice. Why not get this facility?" That is your fault—you become attracted. Whatever you see, you are so in diseased condition, you become attracted by that. That is your disease.

'''Yaśodānandana:''' The point that I was trying to establish was that if a hog has a standard of happiness . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' You have got also.

'''Yaśodānandana:''' . . . which he is satisfied with, we also have a standard of happiness which we are satisfied with, as devotees. Could there be . . . who is to say there is not a higher standard of happiness, higher than what we think is the ultimate happiness? See, we are thinking that to become liberated from this material body and go back to home is the highest happiness, and we are feeling this is our standard of happiness.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm. Because the happiness which you are enjoying, these are not actually satisfying. You are not actually satisfied; therefore you want transfer of happiness from this field to that field. That means you are not actually happy. Otherwise, why these rascals, they are enjoying the same vagina at home, and why they go to see vagina in the theater? The vagina is there, but they think that to see vagina at home is not so good, but to see vagina on the stage is better. That is your disappointment. You'll see the same vagina, here and there. You'll go there by purchasing ticket. That is your misfortune.

'''Trivikrama:''' But the devotee is ''ātmārāma''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. All these Paris big men, they go to see the vagina at night, purchasing ticket, fifty dollars. All big, big men. In Paris there are so many clubs.

'''Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:''' The Lido.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

'''Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Lido is the leading nightclub in Paris.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (laughter) Is it?

'''Devotee:''' No, no, I have not been there. I don't know. (laughter)

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. You know such clubs are there.

'''Devotee:''' I know the clubs are there. I used to go.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's said. And that is much. These rascals are chewing the chewed. One thing one has chewed, and throwing it, and again another person trying to chew it—if there is any mellow, if there is any sweetness. This is going on. Just like our Indian leaders, they are going to chewing the chewed. They are seeing the effect of material civilization in the Western countries, and they are going to imitate it, thinking that they will be happy with that. They are giving up their own culture, and they are going to accept another culture which is already failed. ''Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. Na te viduḥ svārtha gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31|SB 7.5.31]]).

:''matir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā''
:''mitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām''
:''adānta gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ''
:''punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām''
:([[SB 7.5.30|SB 7.5.30]])

''Adānta gobhir''. Real disease is ''adānta go'', uncontrolled senses. ''Viśatāṁ tamisram'', entering into the darkest region of material existence. ''Punaḥ punaś carvita carvaṇānām'', chewing the chewed, again and again, the same sense gratification—sometimes as a human being, sometimes as a hog, sometimes as a dog, sometimes as a demigod. But the business is the same: ''punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām''. Either at home or in the club or in the . . .

'''Brahmānanda:''' Why is India not satisfied with its own culture? If the Westerners are now going after the spiritual culture . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Because your forefathers came from England and taught them like this. That is the real fact. India was satisfied, but the Lord Macaulay, they said no, that if you keep Indian as Indian, you'll never be able to rule over them. Cultural conqueror. So they began to teach Indians England's work in India. "Whatever you have got, that is all nonsense. You learn from us." And the first product is Jawaharlal Nehru. This is the misfortune of foreign rule.

'''Yaśodānandana:''' It would seem then that English culture is stronger than Indian culture then.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

'''Yaśodānandana:''' It seems that the English culture has conquered over the Indian culture then.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, Indian culture is still going on. It is not lost. Otherwise how it is going to your country and bringing you? (laughter)

'''Ravīndra-svarūpa:''' A person might argue that the Indians weren't satisfied either; otherwise they wouldn't have taken up the English culture. So what's the difference?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. When you are standing on two boats you'll never be satisfied. It is very dangerous position, you know? Two boats on the river, and if you put one leg here, one leg here, it is always troublesome. Either you give up this or give up that. Then your position will be safe. But India's position is like that. Two boats he is standing, and he is troubled.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The English taught devotional service to England. The English were teaching devotional service to England.

'''Prabhupāda:''' When?

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Because the Indian people, they have such a feeling for ''bhakti'' and service. Everywhere in the world we go . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' But the Englishmen never took that line, and when . . .

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Did they teach God consciousness?

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . when our Godbrothers Tirtha Mahārāja and Bon Mahārāja was sent, Lady Willingdon, (s)he derided them that "You Indian people, you come here . . ." (break)

'''Rāmeśvara:''' . . . Western civilization is very good for the world.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, but they cannot teach their own children. They are becoming hippies. That is the effect of their education.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Phalena paricīyate''. You have to judge by the fruit.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. You cannot teach your own people, and you are going to teach others. "Physician, heal thyself." (greets someone) Hare Kṛṣṇa. You have failed to teach your own children, they are disappointed, and you are going to teach others. This is another cheating. It is not the question of . . . that is another fault—"our," "your." There is no question of "our," "your." Any culture, actually if it is culture, it is meant for the whole human society. Why do you say "our," "your"? We never say, "The Kṛṣṇa consciousness is meant for Indians," or "for the Europeans." It is meant for everyone. That is our proposition. You have made this "our," "your," and bring another controversy. That is not the fact. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is meant both for the Indians and the Westerners. That is the fact. When Kṛṣṇa says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)|BG 2.13]]), "You have to change your body," Kṛṣṇa never meant that it is meant for the Indians. It is meant for everyone. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ. Dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' is not meant that Indians only change, and they become vanished, Europeans. ''Dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' is everyone. So try to understand this philosophy.

'''Jayādvaita:''' The ''karmīs'' will say that the materialistic culture is also meant for the whole world.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That we admit. The materialistic culture, how to eat nicely, that is meant for everyone. Everyone wants to eat nicely, not that the only Europeans want, not the Indians. That is material. To sleep nicely in a good apartment, that is wanted by both the Easterners and Westerners. So there is no discrimination. Sex life, that is meant for everyone. So as material life is also meant for everyone, similarly, spiritual life is also meant for everyone.

'''Jayādvaita:''' So there are only two cultures.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Jayādvaita:''' The ''deva'' culture and ''asura'' culture.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So the human form of life, one should take advantage of the spiritual culture, because in other forms of life it is not possible. This is the main thing. You become Indian or American, it doesn't matter. You are human being. Take to this culture and you will be happy. This is our mission. We want to make everyone happy''. Sarve sukhino bhavantu'': "Everyone be happy"—with Kṛṣṇa. That is our mission.

'''Rāmeśvara:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, you said that the children in the West, in the materialistic culture, they become hippies. They'll say that at least they've had the choice; at least they were given . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Again . . . again you are bringing the same question, Eastern-Western.

'''Rāmeśvara:''' Materialistic.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Materialistic means that is the ultimate end of materialistic life. Because they want new pleasure, new pleasure, new pleasures, so sometimes this, sometimes that . . . sometimes they think the civilized way is better; sometimes the uncivilized way is better. That's all. This way and that way. That is called ''punaḥ punaś ca.'' . . And then you'll take again to civilized way of . . . I think some of the hippies are taking now. Yes. Because the same example: stool, this side or that side, it is stool. So these materialistic persons, they are trying to change from this side to that side, but it is stool. That is the . . . that they do not know. They are accepting stool as something very sublime, and therefore they are trying to change the position, sometimes this side, sometimes that side. ''Hitvā anyathā rūpam'' ([[SB 2.10.6|SB 2.10.6]]). This is ''anyathā rūpam'', a living being, being spiritual, his business is spiritual, but he has accepted material as the platform of his happiness. That is his fault. So material thing, either this side or that side, it is material. ''Bhoga-tyāga''. So therefore he is not happy. And we are trying to give him spiritual platform for happiness. That is real happiness. But he is so much attached to the material happiness that he cannot believe that there can be any happiness beyond this range. That is his ignorance, ''mūḍha''. Therefore we call them ''mūḍha'', rascals. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)|BG 18.54]]). In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said, "When you become spiritually realized, then ''prasannātmā'', happiness." Otherwise it is not possible. Material thing, you take this side or that side—there is no question of happiness. When you become ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'', spiritually realized, then there is happiness, ''prasannātmā'', immediately. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati, samaḥ sarveṣu'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)|BG 18.54]]). That is the . . .

'''Satsvarūpa:''' But should this be forced on people if they don't want it?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

'''Satsvarūpa:''' If a large section of the people don't want spiritual life, that's their . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, you cannot force. That is not possible, because he has got independence. You cannot force. You can simply give him knowledge. Therefore to distribute knowledge is the best welfare activities, not this material so-called happiness, ''daridra-nārāyaṇa-seva'' and this ''seva'', that ''seva''. That will not make them happy. If you give them knowledge, then they will be really benefited. Otherwise not.

'''Brahmānanda:''' How do we give knowledge to the common masses of people?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, by saṅkīrtana. By hearing, hearing, hearing—this is a medicinal process—the heart will be cleansed and they will take up the knowledge. Now the heart is unclean, so he cannot take up. So this is the medicine. ''Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā. Harer nāma harer'' . . . ([[CC Adi 17.21|CC Adi 17.21]]). Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' wherever possible, and whoever will hear, he will gradually become cleansed. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12|CC Antya 20.12]]). And then ''bhava-mahā-dāvāgni.'' . . Then his material pangs will be over. This is the only medicine. Therefore chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Some way or other, let them have the chance of hearing, and then it will act as medicine. Even he does not will, you chant, you let him hear by force, and he will be cured.

'''Satsvarūpa:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, sometimes you say only a very small percentage can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Satsvarūpa:''' But yesterday morning in your lecture you were saying it can expand to ten thousand, million, or ten million.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, if you take the proper way it can be increased.

'''Satsvarūpa:''' Is that just up to our preaching?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That will depend on your purified preaching activities. If you again become materially victimized, then you cannot do it. If you remain on the spiritual platform, if you try, then it will increase. ''Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam.'' It will increase. As soon as there is any contemplation of sense gratification, then the spirit will be lost. Then instead of Christianity, it will be "Churchianity," officially going to the church, doing nothing, and gradually nobody will go.

'''Rūpānuga:''' Like the Christians.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everywhere. Christians . . . now who are coming here, in the so many temples? Nobody is coming. They have made it a business, "Oh, the Caitanya Mahāprabhu's birthday, you come here." And somebody will come, collect some money, and then there is no business—go away.

'''Jayādvaita:''' That requires our personal austerity.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Jayādvaita:''' That requires our personally being austere.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Yes. And what is austerity? It is very simple thing. ''Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yoga-prayojitaḥ, janayaty āśu'' ([[SB 1.2.7|SB 1.2.7]]). If you continue devotional service to Lord Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, then automatically the effect of these austerities will come, ''janayaty āśu'', very soon. ''Vairāgyam''. Austerities means detachment to the material world. That is the result of austerity. So ''śāstra'' says ''janayaty āśu vairāgyam''. Simply by executing devotional service to Vāsudeva, that ''vairāgya'', detachment, very soon arises. "Come. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." That is very good engagement.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that persons who at least attempt to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, they again, at least they get human form of life.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So what is the position of ''tyāgīs'', persons who are simply trying to renounce material life? Do they . . . are they considered on the devotional path, or do they have to fall down into lower species of life?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Is that considered attempting to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, simply to give up, say, material sense enjoyment?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, these ''tyāgīs'', Māyāvādīs, by their process they may attempt ''paraṁ padam'', means Brahman effulgence. But Brahman effulgence being simply, what is called, eternity. But a living entity does not want simply eternal life, but he wants ''ānanda''. Now, suppose if you are given, if God says that "You live here in this field eternally," would you like that?

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' No.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Why?

'''Jayādvaita:''' It's boring.

'''Prabhupāda:''' If you alone live in this field eternally, that is not bliss. That is punishment. You see? So that is nature. We want ''ānanda'', blissfulness. So therefore those who are ''arūhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padam'' ([[SB 10.2.32|SB 10.2.32]]), after severe austerities, they rise up to the Brahmān effulgence, but on account of his original nature of ''ānanda'', he cannot remain there. He again falls down. "Oh, it was better, family life. What is this nonsense? Eternally sit up in this field? What is this? Let me go to the town and work there." You see? That is your nature. Therefore these impersonalists who want to merge, they can merge, but there they cannot remain. They will again come. These so-called ''sannyāsīs'', they give up everything—''brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā''—Vivekananda or this ''Karpatri''. Again they come to these material activities. (break) Somebody takes social work, somebody takes political work. But if it is ''mithyā'', if it is false, why . . .? (break) But they have . . . (break) Again come, open hospital, do political work. They cannot stick up. That is not possible.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So they are not saved from the greatest danger of falling down . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . into the lower species of life.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They will fall down. ''Śāstra'' says. They will fall down. The same example: If I ask you that "You sit down in this vacant land and you live eternally," you will leave this place: "No, no, I don't want this eternity. Let me go to Calcutta." (laughter) (break) . . . perpetually. So that is wanted. The spiritual kingdom is Brahman effulgence, and there are Vaikuṇṭha planets. So if you take shelter of the Vaikuṇṭha planet, then you can stay. And if you take simply the impersonal Brahmān, sky, you cannot stay there. ''Arūhya kṛcchreṇa patanty adhaḥ'' ([[SB 10.2.32|SB 10.2.32]]). So without varieties, simply impersonal conception of Brahmān will not make you happy.

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The descriptions of Goloka Vṛndāvana, that even the dust is personal . . . so we have experience of personal form. Even Kṛṣṇa's form is personal. How is the dust of Vṛndāvana personal? How is it individual living entity?

'''Prabhupāda:''' If you want something from this dust, you cannot get it. That is material. But in Vṛndāvana, even from the dust if you want any . . . he will deliver immediately.

'''Jayapatāka:''' Would you like to see the land that we have got here, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Jayapatāka:''' Just take one moment. (break)

'''Rāmeśvara:''' . . . people are enjoying, but if He's our friend . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' For enjoying and getting slaps also, both thing. You see? When the children enjoys, sometimes the father slaps also. Why?

'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Disobedience. They do something that is harmful to themselves or to others.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So you can enjoy life, material life, as the father directs. So that is devotional service. Then you will enjoy. Otherwise you will get slapped.

'''Trivikrama:''' So-called enjoyment.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. If you manufacture your program of enjoyment, then you will be slapped. And if you enjoy according to the direction of the father, then you'll enjoy. This is the . . . Kṛṣṇa says, "Enjoy life. All right. ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī''. Live peacefully. Always think of Me. Worship Me." That we have prescribed, "Come here and think of Kṛṣṇa." And so that is enjoyment. So they don't want. They want liquor. They want illicit sex. They want meat. So therefore they must be slapped. Actually all this whole universe is made for your enjoyment, but enjoy it according to His direction. Then you will enjoy. That is the difference between demigod and demon. The demon wants to enjoy, manufacturing his own way of life. And the demigod, they enjoy better than the demons because under the direction of God.

'''Jagadīśa:''' Why does Kṛṣṇa provide the living entities with these sinful pleasures?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Simple pleasures?

'''Jagadīśa:''' Sinful pleasures, such as becoming intoxicated . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa does not provide. You create your sinful. Kṛṣṇa never says that "You eat meat," but you open slaughterhouse, so you suffer.

'''Brahmānanda:''' But there is a pleasure, a certain pleasure derived from these sinful activities.

'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that pleasure? (laughter)

'''Brahmānanda:''' Well, some people like to . . . they get pleasure from intoxication, they get pleasure from . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. And therefore they suffer after-effect. That is ignorance, that immediately you get some sense pleasure, but the result is very bad. And that is sinful.

'''Rāmeśvara:''' You wrote in the Fourth Canto that if we have too much sense pleasure when we are young, then we have corresponding disease when we are older.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Here material life means as soon as you violate the rules and regulation, you will suffer. Therefore ''varṇāśrama''-''dharma'' is the beginning of perfection in material life. It is the beginning. ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)|BG 4.13]]). God has created this. If you adopt this institution of ''varṇāśrama''-''dharma'', then your perfection of life begins. (break)

'''Jayapatāka:''' Everyone is sending their sons and daughters to the university and colleges, and they are getting degree, but they are not getting any jobs.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa never says that, that "You send your children to the universities and make them fools and rascals." So one who is depending on job, he's a ''śūdra''. That is not education. Education is not meant for the ''śūdra'' but for the ''dvijas'', twice-born, the ''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya'' and ''vaiśya. Śūdras'' are never for education. So their education, so-called education, means creating so many ''śūdras''. Unless he gets a job, his education is useless. Therefore he's a ''śūdra''. And ''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya''—they will create their own means of livelihood. That is ''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya''. Therefore they are unhappy. They don't get job, neither they are able to work independently.

'''Nalinī-kānta:''' Punishment is not the best means of reformation. Sometimes if someone is sent to jail by the government, he'll simply be thinking, "Oh, when I can get out and depose these rascals?" So if someone is punished by God, he might become more angry towards God.

'''Prabhupāda:''' But that does not mean God will stop punishing you. Just like these animals. The stick is there. He may be angry, but stick is required. Otherwise you cannot work with him. "Hut!" You see? The stick is there in his hand. Otherwise he cannot get work.

(greeting someone) Hare Kṛṣṇa. ''Jaya''.

'''Nalinī-kānta:''' So eventually they will have to surrender.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Without surrendering there is no other alternative—willingly or unwillingly. (end)

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(Conversation with M.P. Shri Sita Ram Singh)

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'''Sita Ram Singh:''' I came from Delhi. I got down here: "I want only ''darśana''."

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' He told me, "He is not in good health . . ." "Of course, I won't speak to him, Baba, simply I will have his ''darśana''." Because you are super-human being . . . (Prabhupāda chuckles) Everyone wants a blessing of person like you. What you have done, they remember even (indistinct -- "a story"?) O could feel self-satisfied only after having your ''darśana''. And in this way . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' You . . . you belong to Delhi?

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' No, I belong to Bihar. I come from the... (explains where he is coming from,
about his family, political party, etc., difficult to understand) On the way I got down here. I am so fortunate to have your ''darśana''. On the way I got down here. I am so fortunate to have your darśana. (indistinct) ...he told me, "You can have your prasad here." (indistinct) I take a part of prasad. But the prasad what I want, I want darśana. And if you have
got any sympathy for me, kindly...

'''Prabhupāda:''' I have got sympathy for everyone.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Ah, yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Unfortunately, nobody cares to hear.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' That's right.

'''Prabhupāda:''' They have their own program. ''Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31|SB 7.5.31]]). Blind men leading blind men. Do you realize that your Constitution is defective?

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Yes, of course.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Then what is the use of changing? The same instrument . . . so our proposal is that unless the means are perfect, the end cannot be perfect. So we are presenting, therefore, the means of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', perfect, everything. But they are manufacturing their own way. There are so many parties—C.F.D. D.A.C. Ph.D . . .

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' (laughs) All they have got is party for their own selfish end. Actually thinking not to
serve the public, though I belong to one of the party, but I must . . . (indistinct) . . . because they have all got their own selfish end.

'''Prabhupāda:''' They are interested to keep being position of the party. Who is thinking of the public? Public is in the same distressed condition.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Same distressed.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Rather, they are more distressed. Take, for example, in our childhood my father's income was, utmost, three hundred rupees. So we were not very rich men, but we had no want. Father was maintaining his family, getting children married, distributing the wealth. Everything very nice. And we never felt any want. In this mango season, because father thought it that "There must be a full basket of mangoes daily for the children," so we were jumping, playing and eating mangoes. And now, taking consideration of gold standard . . . at that time my mother was purchasing gold, twenty rupees . . .

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Per tolā.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Twenty-two rupees. Now the same gold is six hundred rupees. So three hundred times more?

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' If my father's income was three hundred rupees, increased by three hundred, it becomes nine thousand. So where is the nine-thousand-rupees income for a middle-class man?

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Quite.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Nine thousand rupees', ten thousand rupees' income is for very, very big man. But comparing, say, sixty, seventy years ago, we were a middle-class man. So a middle-class man has not increased his income from three hundred rupees to ten thousand rupees. That means everybody has become poor. So where is the advancement? Simply beating the drum, will this . . .? In our childhood we have seen mustard oil, first class, made in Kanpur. We were purchasing, eight annas per two and a half ser.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' And now it has gone thirteen rupees.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Thirteen rupees.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Thirteen rupees in our time.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ghee, first-class ''ghee'', we were purchasing, one rupee, Vardwa ''ghee''. Now what is the price of ''ghee''?

'''Indian man (1):''' Twenty-five.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Twenty rupees.

'''Indian man (1):''' Twenty, twenty-five. Between twenty and twenty-five, depending upon the place.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That means between twenty-five to thirty times, the price has increased. But income has not increased.

'''Indian man (1):''' Not in the real sense.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No sense. All nonsense.

'''Indian man (1):''' No sense. Not at all.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' No sense. No sense at all.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Simply nonsense. So what is remedy? ''Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31|SB 7.5.31]]). All over the world . . . of course, we do not want to criticize, but according to ''śāstra'', people will suffer more and more. And they must suffer, because they are becoming godless. They must suffer. That is nature's punishment.

:''daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī''
:''mama māyā duratyayā''
:''mām eva ye prapadyante''
:''māyām etāṁ''
:([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]])

They won't take the real culture given by God Himself, Kṛṣṇa, "Do like this." Therefore they are godless. They must suffer. Now the suffering is awaiting to the general mass of people. ''Durbhikṣa'' . . . ''anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa-kara-pīḍitāḥ'' ([[SB 12.2.9|SB 12.2.9]]). There will be no rain from the sky, and therefore there will be no sufficient grains. ''Anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa''. And in the name of improving the situation, government will tax. ''Kara-pīḍitāḥ''. In this way, so the people in general, they'll be so much harassed that without being able to manage things . . . ''ācchinna-dāra-draviṇā gacchanti giri-kānanam''. "Let whatever I may have to the family eating. Let me go." This is the position.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' What will be the future of India?

'''Prabhupāda:''' This will be future. Anywhere. Why you are speaking of India? What is spoken in the śāstra, that is not for India or for Bihar. It is for everywhere.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' And the situation is going from bad to worse. Will it go . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. And at the end there will be no wheat, no rice, no sugar, no milk, and you'll have to eat . . . I shall eat your flesh; you shall eat my flesh. They are eating already fetus of their own sons. What is that?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Do they not?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West they perform this operation for . . . what do they call it?

'''Indian man (1):''' Abortion.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Abortion. They have legalized abortion. So the unborn fetus, after it's aborted, they're eating as food.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' They have devised also even in India also. I don't know about . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I said: "Why do you speak of this country?" This will happen everywhere.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Is tarah agar pāpa hoga,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If this kind of sin happens,)</span> then how one can expect betterment of the nation?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Pāpa? <span style="color:#ec710e">Paap to kuch suna hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Haven't heard of sin.)</span> <span style="color:#ec710e">Itna paap hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is so much sin.)</span> ''Prakṛteḥ kriya'' . . . ([[BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]])

'''Indian man (1):''' Is there any way out?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Where the Kṛṣṇa consciousness . . . why don't you come? You'll not come. You'll stick to your own principle. Here is the way out: ''mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). "No." You'll make your own party, that's all, and suffer. What can be done? You'll never take good advice from Kṛṣṇa. You'll take advice from Indira Gandhi. That's it. (indistinct Hindi) And discontentment. <span style="color:#ec710e">Ye sab kuch hai hi nahi . . . "andha yatandir" bolne se thoda apradhi ho jata hai. baat hi aisa andha andhe ko chalayeg.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(All this is not there . . . "''Andha yatandir''." Just by saying . . . this is a fact. A blind man leads another blind man.)</span> ''Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ''. ''Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31|SB 7.5.31]]). They are trying to adjust things by the external nature. <span style="color:#ec710e">Bahut si baatein hain wo samajhna hi nahi chahte hain.aur samjhane se wo bigad jate hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There are many facts which they don't want to understand and if we try to explain to them they get angry.)</span> ''Mūrkhāyopadeṣo hi prakopāya na''. <span style="color:#ec710e">Unko rehna hi to hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(They need to stay in something.)</span> Come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and be happy.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">. . . shuru se hi hai uski, raasta to . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . from the beginning it is, the path . . .)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Are shuru se nahi abhi se hi karo na. Shuru jo ho gaya. mistake to . . . hi nahi ye kaun si baat hai. han mistake agar hua hai to usko mano aur sudhar karo. Nahi hamara mistake hi chalta hai. Chalo. Bhagvan to ye hi batate hai na ki koi baat nahi jo kuch ho gaya "sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja aham tvam sarva papebhyo" paap to jaroor hua hai itna mistake kiya hai itna badmashi kiya hai,</span>
<span style="color:#128807">(Oh no from the beginning, start it right now, now that it has started. Mistakes have happened . . . what logic is this? If a mistake has happened, then accept it and rectify it. No, my mistake is going on, okay. God says whatever has happened in the past, forget it: "''Sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja aham tvam sarva papebhy''." So many mistakes you have done, so much mischief you have done.)</span> "I will explain." And "Who cares for you?" <span style="color:#ec710e">Are chalega Kṛṣṇa bhagvan hain, hum bhagvan hain . . . (indistinct) . . . mudha "na mam dushkritino mudha prapadyante nara dhama" atyant naradhama, maha papi wo bhagvan ke bare me bata raha hai. bade-bade vidwan hain " maya aparhta jyana" sab moorkh hi hain. aur thoda jo ABCD seekha hai wo bhi maya cheen liya. Kyu aasuri bhava . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It is okay Kṛṣṇa is God, I am also God . . . (indistinct) . . . fools. "''Na mam duskritino mudha prapadyante naradhama''." Completely fallen, very sinful and he is talking about god. They are all great scholars, "''Maya apahrta jnana''." All are fools and whatever little education one has, ABCD, that also is taken away by illusion. Why this demoniac mentality? . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Jo kans ka dasha hua wo hi dasha ho raha hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The condition in which Kamsa was, in that same condition we are all in.)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hoga hi. are bhai nature's law apko chodega nahi, aap chahe kitne pehalwan hain </span>. <span style="color:#128807">(It will happen. Hey brother nature's law will not spare you no matter how strong a wrestler you are.)</span> ''Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ'' ([[BG 3.27 (1972)|BG 3.27]]) . . . (indistinct) . . . ''ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā kartāham iti manyate''. He is a rascal who is thinking, "I am independent." Rascal number one. Everyone is thinking, "Ah! I am independent." What is their independence? Hmm? <span style="color:#ec710e">Yehi moorkhta hai. sunega nahi, accha baat bolne se (verse) morrrkh ko upadesh dene se vo . . . kya karen. (break) humlog to mission start kiya to aaiye bhagvan jo bolta hai wo suniye na. ... ye Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ka mission hai. Sab guru ban jao. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ka ye aadesh hai "ab to Bihar ya bangala sab ek hi hai. Chaitanya Mahaprbhu ka mission hai, wo keh rahe hain "amar agnya guru hoiya taro yei desh" jo desh me, gaon me, family me.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It will happen. Nature's law will not spare you how ever strong you are . . . (indistinct) . . . this is foolishness. He will not listen if you tell something good. (verse) If you preach to a foolish man he . . . what to do? We started the mission inviting everyone to come and listen to what god has to say . . . this is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Everyone must become a preacher. This is the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. "Now Bihar and Bengal are the same. This is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is saying: "''Amar abnya guru haiya taro yei desh''." In the country, in the village, in the family, in the community. )</span> We are preaching ''Bhagavad-gītā'' ''As It Is'' . . . compromise and interpretation . . .

<span style="color:#ec710e">community mepaida hokar aaya hai uske saath pyar karo guru banke, ye Chaitanya Mahaprabhu kahe hain "hamar agnya guru haiya taro ye desh" sara duniya me ghoomna nahi padega,wohi to jiska jaisa capacity hai . . . to wo kah sakta hai ki hum guru kasie ban jaye hume to kuch maloom hi nahi hai.. koi parvah nahi. guru banana bahut saral hai. kasie "jaro dakho tare kaho Kṛṣṇa upadesh" Kṛṣṇa jo bol diya hai bus usko suna do. itna simple hai. Ye nahi ki sona, magic dikhao . . . thagao, ye guru nahi, ye hai chor. krishan jo bataya hai usko sunana hai, ye koi mushkil hai kya. wo to Gita me likha usko thoda sa bol dena hai, wo guru ho gaya. ye jo sab pardeshi sab aaye hain wo kya sona banaye hai, magic dikhaye hain, bol diya dekho ji "krsnas tu bhagvan swayam"... Kṛṣṇa kehta hain "man mana mad bhakto mad yaji mam namaskuru"... "mam hi parth vyapashritya . . ." koi baat nahi paapi yoni hai to kya hua . . . (indistinct) . . . Kṛṣṇa jo bol raha hai usko laat mar kar phek diya aur jo moorkh bol diya usko le lo. are purva janma nahi badmashi hai isi janm ka. purva janm kyo jaate hain. isi janm ka badmashi dekho na uska phal bhogo na. itna door jane ka kya zaroorat hai. Gita me shuru hua hai "dharma kshetre kurukshetre sam veta yuyutsavah" ye jo ladai karne ke liye do party ikkhate hue hain, ye ladia karne ke liye, non-violence, uska arth, kitna bada badmashi, boliye.</span>
<span style="color:#128807">(He is born in the community so deal with him with love by becoming his spiritual master. This Caitanya Mahāprabhu is saying ''amar ajnya guru haiya taro ye desh''—you don't have to roam around in the world, depends on the capacity then he can say how can I become a master when I don't know anything. Does not matter. To become a master is very simple. How ''jare dekho tare kaho Kṛṣṇa upadesh''—whatever Kṛṣṇa has told just repeat it, so simple. Not that you show some magic, bring gold, or cheat people, this is not master, this is cheater. Whatever Kṛṣṇa has told just tell. Where is the difficulty in this? It is written in the ''Gītā'', you have to say that and you become a spiritual master. All these foreigners who have come they have not shown magic, not brought gold, they simply say ''krsnas tu bhagavan swayam''. Kṛṣṇa says: "''man mana bhava mad bhakto mad yaji mam namaskuru mam hi parth vyapashrityah''" does not matter if he is a sinner . . . (indistinct) . . . what Kṛṣṇa is saying you ignore that and accept what a fool is saying. This is not the result of previous karma but is the mischief of this life. Why do you go to the previous life, suffer the results of reactions of your ''karma'' in this life. Why do you go so far. In ''Gītā'' it starts with "''dharma kshetre kurukshetre sam veta yuyutsavah''"—the two armies are on the battlefield to fight, to battle, non-violence, what is the meaning of this, such foolishness is it not.)</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Tumhara Kṛṣṇa bhagvan dekh rahe hain. Arjun jab . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Your Kṛṣṇa is watching. When Arjun . . .)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Are aap pehle dekhiye. ye jo words hai "dharma kshetre...." yuyutsava ka arth kya hota hai, boliye. ladia karna, aur ladai karne ke liye sab ikkhata hue hain aur non-violence. ye koi arth hai. (indistinct Hindi) doosre ko badnami karna hai aur khu bhi. usko sab sudhariye, tab apka leadership . . . nahi to "andha yatandir . . ."</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You see first these words "''Dharma kshetre'' . . ." ''yuyutsava'' what is the meaning of this, tell. To fight and to battle they have all gathered and to speak of non-violence. Is there any meaning in this . . . (indistinct) . . . to defame others and also to get a bad name for oneself. Rectify all this, then your leadership . . . otherwise "''andha yatandir'' . . .")</span>

'''Indian man:''' Leadership is already in danger. <span style="color:#ec710e">Ek cheez sarkar me ho raha hai. Kṛṣṇa bhagvan ne jab arjun ne dhanush ko rakh diya, ladai nahi karna chahte the dekhkarke ki hamare bandhu hain, jab nahi mane to Kṛṣṇa bole dekho ye sab mare hue hain . . . jo nimmit matra hai to wo nimmit matra arjun ke madhyam se kyo karaya gaya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is one thing that is happening in the government. When Arjuna kept his bow and arrow down, he did not want to fight on seeing that the enemies were his relatives, when he did not accept then Kṛṣṇa said that they are all dead . . . one who is an instrument then why Arjuna made an instrument to kill his enemies.)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aapne isko samajh nahi sake. arjun hai kshtriya, kshatriya ka kaam kya hai. lekin ye jo vedic sabhyata hai brahman, kshatriya, vaisya, agar isko marna hai to brahman nahi marega, kshatriya marega. ab dekhiye Vishwamitra usko jungle me raat ko singh bada tang karti thee, to Vishwamitra ko power nahi tha ki usko marde. nahi wo aaye dashrath maharaj . . . "chatur varnyam maya shrishtam" jiska kaam hai wo kare. ye sab jo knowledge hamara bharat varsh me hai ki ye sab aaplog laat marke de diya aur apna-apna sab party me hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You did not understand this. Arjuna is a ''ksatriya''. The duty of a ''ksatriya'' is what. But this vedic culture, ''brahmana'', ''ksatriya'', ''vaisya'', if they have to die then the ''brahmana'' will not kill, the ''ksatriya'' will kill. Now you see Viśvāmitra was troubled in the jungle at night by the tiger, but he did not have the power to kill it. No he came to Dasarath Mahārāja . . . "''catur varnyam maya sristam''" each has to do their own duty prescribed to them by the scriptures. All this knowledge what we have in India you have kicked it out and you are in your own parties.)</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Isiliye humlog sukhi nahi hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That is why we are not happy.)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ho hi nahi sakta hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(We cannot be.)</span>

'''Indian man:''' Inspite of all the best efforts . . .

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Itna bhari knowledge hamara desh me hai usko band karke tala laga ke aur ant-shant baat karke sab khatam. duniya ko to gira diya na khud durpyog hain. ab yadi aaplog sudharna chahte hain to jab tak aaplog bolte hain hum Bhagavad-Gita padh liye . . .</span> We are preaching Bhagavad-Gita As It Is. <span style="color:#ec710e">Isme jo kuch dosh-gun hai (indistinct Hindi) Africa me jo hai na adivasi itna bada kaan wala... wo bhi nachta hai Hare Kṛṣṇa, yehi hamara mantra hai. usko Kṛṣṇa kya janta hai, Kṛṣṇa bhagvan kuch bhi janta hai wo bhi Hare Kṛṣṇa nachta hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Such vast knowledge is there in our country and we have locked it up and we talk all nonsense and finish. We have damaged the reputation of the country and we also are useless. Now if you want to rectify then until you say I have read ''Bhagavad-gita'' . . . whatever good and bad is there in it . . . (indistinct) . . . in Africa the big-eared tribals who are there . . . they also dance Hare Kṛṣṇa. They dance.)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' So all, all over world . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' All over the world. <span style="color:#ec710e">Aisa bhari movement bharatiya me. koi humko sahara nahi diya. America me humko peramanent residence diya hai. Humko hi nahi bahut sare indians ko diya hai. ye sab humko help karna hai na. Itna request karte hain. Ye politics . . . iske liye apsablog kuch help kijiye. Unka beechare kya dosh hai. aur iske bina hamara kaam kaise chalega itna bhari-bhari samsthan. Bahar ka to koi aata hi nahi isi ko lekarke kaam chala rahe hain. Koi aane se chalo . . . kya kare . . . 5-6 lakh rupaya barbad.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(This is a strong movement in India. Nobody supported us. In America they have given me permanent residence. Not only me but many Indians have been given permanent resident ship. They are all helping me. I request so much from the government. This is politics . . . so please you all help us. What is the fault of these innocent people and without them how will my work go on? such big big institutions, nobody comes from outside for help. So I am forced to take the help of these people. If somebody comes then okay . . . but what to do . . . 5 to 6 ''lakhs'' of rupees are wasted.</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ye to kam-se-kam inlog ko . . . karna chahiye ki.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Those who are . . . this at least these people . . . they should do.)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">They have been described as Hindu, "Hindu Americans." Wo idhar aate hain dharm sthan me Brindavan me aur usko bhago-bhago . . . nahi to young men aayenge hi nahi unko naukari mil jaye jagah mil jaye life settled. itna bada, vipatti. Ye jo sab banaye hain lakhon karod rupaya phir bhi udhar se le aate hain aur kam-se-kam 10 lakh rupaya mahawari hai. Ek aadmi kitab likhta hai aur inko bola jao becho, jao becho, bech ke rupaya le aao . . . are kam-se-kam jo assistant hai uske liye permanent residence de do, le lo, guarantee le lo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(They come here to the place of pilgrimage, to Vṛndāvana and they are asked to go away, go away . . . then the young men will not come and if they get a job and a place to live, life will settle. Such a big problem. This ''lakhs'' and ''crores'' of rupees is what they have made, still they bring from there and 10 ''lakh'' rupees is the charge. One man writes books and they are told to go and sell, "Go sell, sell and bring us the money" . . . at least for the assistant . . . take the guarantee, take it.)</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">8-10 varsh, anti-national . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(8 to 10 years, anti-national . . .)</span>

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi kuch nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No nothing.)</span>

'''Indian man (3):''' No, but is there any facility for getting Indian citizenship?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. We don't want citizenship. What they will do with citizen . . . Indian citi . . .?

'''Indian man (3):''' Then what is the difficulty?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Difficulty is . . . let them live here as permanent residents, just like I am American permanent resident. I am not citizen. If I like, I can become citizen. But what is the use of becoming citizen? It is as good as citizen. <span style="color:#ec710e">Permanent resident ko yearly ek report deta hai ki aap idhar hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(For the permanent resident, they issue an yearly report stating that you are residing here.)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Jab visa expire ho jata hai,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(When the visa expires,)</span> within that period they have to go back.

'''Indian man (3):''' . . . of extending the . . .

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Yes, of course, they have to go back, but . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, extension . . . <span style="color:#ec710e">wo teen mahine me aate hain aur teen mahine aur extension.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(they come for three months and then again extend for three months.)</span> Generally.

'''Indian man (3):''' They don't give you this for permanent residentship

'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

Indian man (3) that you can stay even, say, for two years, four years, five years not of that sort

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. No.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' But this is amended . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . this is amended. This must be amended. This should be brought to the knowledge of authorities.

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">. . . itna strain hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . there is so much of strain)</span> . . . (indistinct Hindi)

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Why do they not allow them to stay to serve the mission?

'''Prabhupāda:''' So we have no . . . we don't think anything in the . . .

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Rajbhai Sampatte, he's a religious-minded man.

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aaplog boliye thoda . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You people also put in a word . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' And he should make a point. But the case should be just signed. Of course, a mandate of residency of your admission should also be . . .

'''Indian man (3):''' Could the government not do the such and such . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Bahut hazaar . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Many thousands . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' So he came elected. Because he's in power, Rajbhai is in power, whatever he has got . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' But who will induce him to give up?

'''Indian man (3):''' If he can . . . he can relax it.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He can do everything, but who will induce him to do?

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' I don't know when I shall go to Delhi again, but in case if I go, I will bear it in mind. But meanwhile, I shall humbly request you that some of persons of your mission should also go and should bring him here so that he can find out a time to come to this mission. And because after seeing the all activities of the mission he may be rather much more convinced of the fact that this resolution should be abolished. It is a special case. For the missionary purpose this should be abolished.

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Missionary visa bhi dete hain. PPardeshi ko deta hai baki ye bhi to pardeshi hai but because he's Vaiṣṇava, he'll not get.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Otherwise also they give missionary visas. They give it to outsiders but these people are also outsiders,)</span> but because he is a Vaisnava he will not get.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' You say seven ''lakhs'' of rupees are unnecessarily used every year.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And just now I have got news. We have got a branch in Ceylon. So we thought that instead of going back to U.S.A. or Europe, let him go to Ceylon and renew the visa. So I hear that they have been forbidden, not to issue visa to our boys. <span style="color:#ec710e">Abhi tak to Indira Gandhi ka netagiri chal raha tha abhi to . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Until now Indira Gandhi's leadership was there but now . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' . . . (indistinct Hindi)

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Uska policy wohi tha. Baki wohi constitution . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Her policy was the same. In fact she . . . constitution . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Constitution to wohi hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The constitution is the same.)</span> Rather, the Constitution is molded from bad to worse. This point should be raised. I have got belief on that. So this money . .

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Anek badha vighna . . . aur udhar se kuch nahi hoga . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Many obstacles and hurdles came . . . and nothing is happening from that side . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' When I go next time to Delhi I shall write letter. I have got address of this mission here. I shall write a letter here, and one of the representatives will go. I will give that . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, you can speak to Mr. Vajpayi. He is in charge of foreigners. That day I spoke.

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' Let the election be over.

'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kya dosh hai uska. Wo tumhara ek pasia bhi khayega nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What is his fault? He will not take even a single paisa from you.)</span>

'''Indian man (3):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Abhi to election ho raha hai uske baad is mamle ko . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Now elections are going on after that we shall take up this matter . . .)</span>

'''Sita Ram Singh:''' This matter can be brought before Vajpayi because he is charge of foreign affairs . . . you have got this culture.

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Permanent resident ko koi . . . agar rehna chahta hai</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No one can remove permanent resident . . . if he wants to stay.)</span> If somebody is living here <span style="color:#ec710e">agar aap usko to theek hai . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(if you can . . . then it is alright)</span> Rules need certain ammendment . . . (indistinct Hindi) (end)

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'''Pradyumna:''' (leads chanting of verse) (Prabhupāda and devotees repeat)

:''kā vā saheta virahaṁ puruṣottamasya''
:''premāvaloka-rucira-smita-valgu-jalpaiḥ''
:''sthairyaṁ samānam aharan madhu-māninīnāṁ''
:''romotsavo mama yad-aṅghri-viṭaṅkitāyāḥ''
:([[SB 1.16.35|SB 1.16.35]])

(break) (leads chanting of synonyms)

Translation: "Who can, therefore, tolerate the pangs of separation from that Supreme Personality of Godhead? He could conquer the gravity and passionate wrath of His sweethearts like Satyabhāmā and others by His sweet smile of love, pleasing glance and hearty appeals. When He traversed my (the earth's) surface, I would be immersed in the dust of His lotus feet and thus would be sumptuously covered with grass, which appeared like hairs standing on me out of pleasure."

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Kā vā saheta virahaṁ puruṣottamasya. Puruṣottama. Puruṣa'' and ''prakṛti'', there are two words. ''Prakṛti'' means "enjoyed" or "the energy," and ''puruṣa'' means "the enjoyer" and . . . or "the powerful." So we are ''prakṛti''. We living entities, we are ''prakṛti''. That is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'': ''prakṛteḥ hi me parām vidhi, apareyam itas tu prakṛti me'' . . .

'''Devotee:''' ''Prakṛtiṁ vidhi me parām''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prakṛtiṁ vidhi me parā'' ([[BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]). So, ''puruṣāṁ śāśvatam'': Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Person enjoyer, ''puruṣa. Puruṣa'' has got different features: personal expansion, personal feature, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Expansion feature also two kinds: ''svāṁśa, vibhinnāṁśa'', His personal expansion and separated expansion. We are all separated expansion, ''vibhinnāṁśa'', a small particle. Just like the sun, we are. The sunshine means combination of, what is called, sparking, sparking molecules, very small. The sunshine means they are not homogenous; they are small particles of shining, part and parcel of the sun. Similarly, we living entities, we are like that—a small particle, part and parcel of God. So we are also brightening, shining. We are not dull. But on account of our combination with the material nature, we have been covered. Therefore our shining quality is now stopped. Shining quality is now stopped. That is our forgetfulness about our relationship with the Supreme ''puruṣa, puruṣottama, uttama puruṣa. Uttama, madhyama'' and ''adhyama''. There are three grades of ''puruṣa''. We are the lowest grade, ''adhyama''. So, because we are ''adhyama puruṣa'', therefore there is chance of our brightness being sometimes covered. But we can again revive our brightness and shine with the Supreme Person. As the sun and the sunshine, they are together shining, there is light, similarly, when we are again posted in our own constitutional position, and Kṛṣṇa is like the sun and we are shining particles, then our life is successful. That is wanted.

Therefore Kṛṣṇa comes, the ''puruṣottama'', to take us back. "Why you are now covered, your shining is stopped? You are morose. You are suffering threefold miserable condition of material existence. Why you are rotting here?" ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). Kṛṣṇa comes Himself. He is within everyone's heart. He's instructing. He is ready to instruct, but He'll only instruct to such persons who have engaged themselves in devotional service. Kṛṣṇa is there, just like the master is there and many workers are there also. The master speaks to the important persons, not to the ordinary person. Similarly, the master is there in everyone's heart:

:''īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ''
:''hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati''
:''brahmāyan sarva-bhūtāni''
:''yantrārūḍhāni māyayā''
:([[BG 18.61 (1972)|BG 18.61]])

Whatever we are getting for our sense enjoyment, that is with the sanction, sanction of the ''puruṣa'', the Supreme Person. The ''paramātmā'' feature is ''madhyama puruṣa''. He is ''purusottama. Puruṣottama'' is the Supreme Person, and the Supreme Person by His expansion as the Supersoul is present in everyone's heart. ''Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām.'' He's guiding, as friend. He's guiding as friend, but He speaks directly with the living entity as soon as we are purified by devotional service. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)|BG 10.10]]). That if . . . that qualification we have to attain, then Kṛṣṇa, ''puruṣottama'', will speak from within, just like He spoke from within of Brahma: ''tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye'' ([[SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]).

We have to become qualified to talk with the Supreme Person, and He will give us advice. He's giving us advice. He's ready to give us advice from within and from without—from within as Supersoul and from without as the spiritual master. Therefore it is said, ''guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya bhakti-latā-bīja'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]). Both things are required—''guru'' and Kṛṣṇa. If we are sincere, if we actually want Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is within your heart. He will help you in meeting the spiritual master, His representative. And by the instruction of the spiritual master, you will develop more and more your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, your original position. This is called devotional service, or ''bhakti-latā. Bhakti-latā-bīja.'' Just like one small creeper, first of all to sow the seed and water it, then gradually it spouts and gradually, I mean to say, grows. Similarly, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa and His representative, ''guru'', spiritual master, you get the seed of ''bhakti-latā'', devotional service, and if you sow it within the heart, ''mālī haya sei bīja kare āropaṇa''. Just like if you take a seed, nice seed, and if you sow it, and pour water little, little, then it will grow and it will become a big tree or big creeper and give you the fruits. You'll enjoy it. Similarly, the ''bhakti-latā-bīja'' is given by the spiritual master in cooperation with Kṛṣṇa. That is initiation. This initiation arrangement means sowing the seed of devotional service. Now, if you get . . . if you think that after getting initiation, "I have become perfect. Now again, whatever nonsense I was doing, I shall go on doing it," then it will be useless. It will be useless. Suppose if you get a seed. If you don't take proper care, water it nicely, then it will not grow; it will be stunned there. You have to take:

:''mālī hañā sei bīja kar āropaṇa''
:''śravaṇa-kīrtana-jale karaye secana''
:([[CC Madhya 19.152|CC Madhya 19.152]])

So initiation means by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa through His agent, the spiritual master, you are getting the seed of ''bhakti-latā''. So you have to take care of yourself by the instruction. Not that, "Now I have got a spiritual master and I have got the initiation, my business is finished. Let me do all nonsense." No. This initiation process, we take promise from you that no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication—before the fire. The fire ceremony means fire is also representation of ''yajña-puruṣa'', and through fire, the ''yajña-puruṣa'' eats, ''puruṣottama''. So there is fire, there is spiritual master, there is ''śāstra'', there is Kṛṣṇa—before... they are all witness. Just like before the high-court judge you promise, "Yes, I'll speak... whatever I'll speak in this court, it is all truth.' So this promise the judge knows, and he gives his judgment on that. Similarly, these promises must be kept; otherwise it will be useless. That is your business, the same thing, ''guru-kṛṣṇa''... that by the mercy of guru, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, you get the thing. Now to use the thing properly, that will depend on you. ''Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya bhakti-latā-bīja'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]). I can give you very nice thing, but you keep it locked up in your treasury and never use it, then what will you be? ''Mālī haya sei bīja kare āropaṇa''. You have to sow it and pour water, and see that it is nicely growing. It is... that is very nicely described in ''Rupa-śikṣā, mālī hay sei bīja kare āropaṇa''. So don't think that after the official ceremony of initiation your business and my business is finished. No. The business begins. It is not the finishing; it is the beginning. So if you don't go farther, ādau ''guru-āśrayam''... the beginning is to take shelter of ''guru''. That is the beginning. And, ''adau guru-āśrayam sad-dharma-pṛcchā'', then the student must be very inquisitive, ''sad-dharma-pṛcchā. Sādhu-mārga-anugamanam.'' You'll find all these things, instruction, in the ''Nectar of Devotion''. They are there.

So today some of you are going to be initiated. This is the beginning of your spiritual life. But if you don't take care for farther development, then that is up to you. You may fall down. Because ''māyā'' is very strong. ''Māyā'' will place so many impediments. She does not like that so easily you go back to home, back to Godhead. That is ''māyā's'' business. ''Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). Just like police. Police business is to see the criminal that is actually, he is in his original consciousness to become law-abiding citizen. Otherwise police will go on punishing him. That is police affair. Similarly, this ''māyā'' is the police agent. Her business is to chastise you. Every moment this is going on. ''Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa brahmite kona bhāgyavān jīva'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]).

So this material life means within the jurisdiction of ''māyā'', and she's always punishing us. ''Anādi-bahirmukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gela ataeva māyā tare gola bhagiya''. Because we have tried to forget Kṛṣṇa, that is not good for us. That is also explained in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'':

:''ya eṣāṁ puruṣaṁ sākṣād''
:''ātma-prabhavam īśvaram''
:''avajānanti na bhajanty''
:''sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ''
:([[SB 11.5.3|SB 11.5.3]])

I'll give you practical example. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body, your body, but if it becomes diseased, then it cannot act as my finger. It becomes a source of pains only. Then sometime doctor advises, physician, or the surgeon that, "Unless you cut off this finger, the whole hand will be poison," and you have to cut off to save the other fingers. Similarly, we are all part and parcel of the Supreme Lord. When we become disobedient or diseased . . . to become disobedient to God means that is diseased condition, because we have to become obedient to somebody, even if our so-called disobedient state, don't care for God. All right, don't care for God, but care for somebody else. That is obligatory. You cannot say that, "I am . . . I don't care for anybody." That is not possible. If you don't care for God, then you have to care for somebody else. If you don't care for the state law, then you have to take care of the police department. You cannot say that "I am independent." That is not possible. So, our position is forgetting God, we have been kicked out constantly by ''māyā''. The ''māyā'' has given us the senses, and the senses are dictating us, "Do this, do that, do this, do that," and we have become servant of our senses.

So two things are there. You are servant by constitution. Don't think that you are master. But when you forget or give up the service of the Lord, then you become servant of your senses, or ''māyā''. This is your position. So when you voluntarily again give up this service of the senses and surrender to the master of the senses, Hṛṣīkeśa . . . Kṛṣṇa's another name is Hṛṣīkeśa. ''Hṛṣīka-īśa. Hṛṣīka'' means senses. ''Senayor ubhayor madhye rathaṁ sthāpaya me 'cyuta'' ([[BG 1.21-22 (1972)|BG 1.21]]). ''Acyuta'' and ''hṛṣīkeśa'', . . . (indistinct) . . . that is one word, ''hṛṣīkeśa''. So Hṛṣīkeśa is the master of senses, Kṛṣṇa. So when in our present condition we have forgotten our master of senses but we have taken senses as our master, this is our position. We have forgotten the master of the senses, but we have accepted the senses as our master. So this is . . . this has to be purified: not to become the servant of the senses, but to become servant of the master of the senses. Then you also become master of the senses. That purificatory process is called devotional service, or ''bhakti''. That is described in ''Nārada Pañcarātra'': ''sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat paratvena nirmalam'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]).

Now, how we have become the servant of our senses? On account of so many designation: "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am Christian," "I am this," "I am that," "I am . . ." so many designation. So if you . . . designation means to become servant of the senses. Designation means to become the servant. So we have to forget our designation. From this initiation point of view, everyone should consider that, "I am no more American," "I am no more Indian," "No more this or that"—"No, I am Hindu; he is Christian"—"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa." Then you become designationless—"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa, ''jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa'' ([[CC Madhya 20.108-109]])." Then you become designationless, and immediately purified. ''Sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat paratvena nirmalam. Nirmalam'' means spotless. When the spotless, you become spotless, then ''hṛṣīkena'' . . . you have got your senses, then your senses are engaged in the servant of the master of the senses. That is called ''bhakti. Hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]).

So these things are all very elaborately, nicely explained in our books. So those who are going to be initiated, they should take it as a vow not to fall down again. Catch Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet very tightly and you'll not fall down. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). So be determined. Don't make it a farce that, "Today I am initiated and tomorrow I again I give up everything and again grow my hair and then go to the hell." No. Don't do that. If you want to be serious, then the path is clear for going back to home.

:''māṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa''
:''bhakti-yogena sevate''
:''sa guṇān samatītyaitān''
:''brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''
:([[BG 14.26 (1972)|BG 14.26]])

As soon as you engage yourself in devotional service you become purified of all material contamination. ''Sa guṇan samatītyaitān''. We are being troubled by the three modes of material nature, but if we stick to our devotional service . . . it is not very difficult to follow the four regulative principles. No illicit sex. There is no question of stopping sex, but no illicit sex. Unfortunately, they're so unfortunate that although they have got their wife, they go to another girl, and although the girl has one husband, he goes . . . she goes to another man. So unfortunate. These things should be stopped if you'll want to be serious; otherwise, make a farce and do whatever you like. I cannot give you protection. That is not possible.

So you must have to follow these rules and regulation if you are serious. Then take initiation. Otherwise, don't make farce. Don't make farce. That is my request. One has to be very determined, ''bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ''. This word is used in the ''Bhāgavatam'': ''dṛḍha-vratāḥ'', strong determination: "Yes, in this life I shall go back to home, back to Godhead." This is determination. And what is the difficulty? No difficulty. Chants Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''. You are taking the beads, sixteen rounds. You can be finished, utmost two hours or three hours. So you have got twenty-four hours. If you want to sleep, of course, twenty-three hours, that is another thing. You have to minimize your sleeping. If you cannot finish sixteen rounds, then you must not sleep on that day; you must not eat. Why don't you forget to eat, forget? Why do you forget chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? This is negligence, ''aparādha'', offense. Rather, you should forget your sleeping and eating and must finish sixteen rounds. This is called determination. This is called determination. So you are welcome to take initiation, but if you are neglectful, if you want to make it a farce, that is your business. I cannot give you any protection.

Thank you very much.

'''Devotee:''' All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)

'''Devotee:''' Questions, Prabhupāda?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Devotee:''' Any questions?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No question now. (end)

740128 - Lecture SB 01.16.35 - Honolulu

2026-09-27T15:53:10Z

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'''Pradyumna:''' (leads chanting of verse) (Prabhupāda and devotees repeat)

:''kā vā saheta virahaṁ puruṣottamasya''
:''premāvaloka-rucira-smita-valgu-jalpaiḥ''
:''sthairyaṁ samānam aharan madhu-māninīnāṁ''
:''romotsavo mama yad-aṅghri-viṭaṅkitāyāḥ''
:([[SB 1.16.35|SB 1.16.35]])

(break) (leads chanting of synonyms)

Translation: "Who can, therefore, tolerate the pangs of separation from that Supreme Personality of Godhead? He could conquer the gravity and passionate wrath of His sweethearts like Satyabhāmā and others by His sweet smile of love, pleasing glance and hearty appeals. When He traversed my (the earth's) surface, I would be immersed in the dust of His lotus feet and thus would be sumptuously covered with grass, which appeared like hairs standing on me out of pleasure."

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Kā vā saheta virahaṁ puruṣottamasya. Puruṣottama. Puruṣa'' and ''prakṛti'', there are two words. ''Prakṛti'' means "enjoyed" or "the energy," and ''puruṣa'' means "the enjoyer" and . . . or "the powerful." So we are ''prakṛti''. We living entities, we are ''prakṛti''. That is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'': ''prakṛteḥ hi me parām vidhi, apareyam itas tu prakṛti me'' . . .

'''Devotee:''' ''Prakṛtiṁ vidhi me parām''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prakṛtiṁ vidhi me parā'' ([[BG 7.5 (1972)|BG 7.5]]). So, ''puruṣāṁ śāśvatam'': Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Person enjoyer, ''puruṣa. Puruṣa'' has got different features: personal expansion, personal feature, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Expansion feature also two kinds: ''svāṁśa, vibhinnāṁśa'', His personal expansion and separated expansion. We are all separated expansion, ''vibhinnāṁśa'', a small particle. Just like the sun, we are. The sunshine means combination of, what is called, sparking, sparking molecules, very small. The sunshine means they are not homogenous; they are small particles of shining, part and parcel of the sun. Similarly, we living entities, we are like that—a small particle, part and parcel of God. So we are also brightening, shining. We are not dull. But on account of our combination with the material nature, we have been covered. Therefore our shining quality is now stopped. Shining quality is now stopped. That is our forgetfulness about our relationship with the Supreme ''puruṣa, puruṣottama, uttama puruṣa. Uttama, madhyama'' and ''adhyama''. There are three grades of ''puruṣa''. We are the lowest grade, ''adhyama''. So, because we are ''adhyama puruṣa'', therefore there is chance of our brightness being sometimes covered. But we can again revive our brightness and shine with the Supreme Person. As the sun and the sunshine, they are together shining, there is light, similarly, when we are again posted in our own constitutional position, and Kṛṣṇa is like the sun and we are shining particles, then our life is successful. That is wanted.

Therefore Kṛṣṇa comes, the ''puruṣottama'', to take us back. "Why you are now covered, your shining is stopped? You are morose. You are suffering threefold miserable condition of material existence. Why you are rotting here?" ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). Kṛṣṇa comes Himself. He is within everyone's heart. He's instructing. He is ready to instruct, but He'll only instruct to such persons who have engaged themselves in devotional service. Kṛṣṇa is there, just like the master is there and many workers are there also. The master speaks to the important persons, not to the ordinary person. Similarly, the master is there in everyone's heart:

:''īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ''
:''hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati''
:''brahmāyan sarva-bhūtāni''
:''yantrārūḍhāni māyayā''
:([[BG 18.61 (1972)|BG 18.61]])

Whatever we are getting for our sense enjoyment, that is with the sanction, sanction of the ''puruṣa'', the Supreme Person. The ''paramātmā'' feature is ''madhyama puruṣa''. He is ''purusottama. Puruṣottama'' is the Supreme Person, and the Supreme Person by His expansion as the Supersoul is present in everyone's heart. ''Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām.'' He's guiding, as friend. He's guiding as friend, but He speaks directly with the living entity as soon as we are purified by devotional service. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)|BG 10.10]]). That if . . . that qualification we have to attain, then Kṛṣṇa, ''puruṣottama'', will speak from within, just like He spoke from within of Brahma: ''tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye'' ([[SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]).

We have to become qualified to talk with the Supreme Person, and He will give us advice. He's giving us advice. He's ready to give us advice from within and from without—from within as Supersoul and from without as the spiritual master. Therefore it is said, ''guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya bhakti-latā-bīja'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]). Both things are required—''guru'' and Kṛṣṇa. If we are sincere, if we actually want Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is within your heart. He will help you in meeting the spiritual master, His representative. And by the instruction of the spiritual master, you will develop more and more your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, your original position. This is called devotional service, or ''bhakti-latā. Bhakti-latā-bīja.'' Just like one small creeper, first of all to sow the seed and water it, then gradually it spouts and gradually, I mean to say, grows. Similarly, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa and His representative, ''guru'', spiritual master, you get the seed of ''bhakti-latā'', devotional service, and if you sow it within the heart, ''mālī haya sei bīja kare āropaṇa''. Just like if you take a seed, nice seed, and if you sow it, and pour water little, little, then it will grow and it will become a big tree or big creeper and give you the fruits. You'll enjoy it. Similarly, the ''bhakti-latā-bīja'' is given by the spiritual master in cooperation with Kṛṣṇa. That is initiation. This initiation arrangement means sowing the seed of devotional service. Now, if you get . . . if you think that after getting initiation, "I have become perfect. Now again, whatever nonsense I was doing, I shall go on doing it," then it will be useless. It will be useless. Suppose if you get a seed. If you don't take proper care, water it nicely, then it will not grow; it will be stunned there. You have to take:

:''mālī hañā sei bīja kar āropaṇa''
:''śravaṇa-kīrtana-jale karaye secana''
:([[CC Madhya 19.152|CC Madhya 19.152]])

So initiation means by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa through His agent, the spiritual master, you are getting the seed of bhakti-latā. So you have to take care of yourself by the instruction. Not that, "Now I have got a spiritual master and I have got the initiation, my business is finished. Let me do all nonsense." No. This initiation process, we take promise from you that no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, no intoxication—before the fire. The fire ceremony means fire is also representation of yajña-puruṣa, and through fire, the yajña-puruṣa eats, puruṣottama. So there is fire, there is spiritual master, there is śāstra, there is Kṛṣṇa—before... they are all witness. Just like before the high-court judge you promise, "Yes, I'll speak... whatever I'll speak in this court, it is all truth.' So this promise the judge knows, and he gives his judgment on that. Similarly, these promises must be kept; otherwise it will be useless. That is your business, the same thing, guru-kṛṣṇa... that by the mercy of guru, by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, you get the thing. Now to use the thing properly, that will depend on you. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (CC Madhya 19.151). I can give you very nice thing, but you keep it locked up in your treasury and never use it, then what will you be? Mālī haya sei bīja kare āropaṇa. You have to sow it and pour water, and see that it is nicely growing. It is... that is very nicely described in Rupa-śikṣā, mālī hay sei bīja kare āropaṇa. So don't think that after the official ceremony of initiation your business and my business is finished. No. The business begins. It is not the finishing; it is the beginning. So if you don't go farther, ādau guru-āśrayam... the beginning is to take shelter of
guru. That is the beginning. And, adau guru-āśrayam sad-dharma-pṛcchā, then the student must be very inquisitive, sad-dharma-pṛcchā. Sādhu-mārga-anugamanam. You'll find all these things, instruction, in the Nectar of Devotion. They are there.

So today some of you are going to be initiated. This is the beginning of your spiritual life. But if you don't take care for farther development, then that is up to you. You may fall down. Because ''māyā'' is very strong. ''Māyā'' will place so many impediments. She does not like that so easily you go back to home, back to Godhead. That is ''māyā's'' business. ''Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). Just like police. Police business is to see the criminal that is actually, he is in his original consciousness to become law-abiding citizen. Otherwise police will go on punishing him. That is police affair. Similarly, this ''māyā'' is the police agent. Her business is to chastise you. Every moment this is going on. ''Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa brahmite kona bhāgyavān jīva'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151|CC Madhya 19.151]]).

So this material life means within the jurisdiction of ''māyā'', and she's always punishing us. ''Anādi-bahirmukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gela ataeva māyā tare gola bhagiya''. Because we have tried to forget Kṛṣṇa, that is not good for us. That is also explained in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'':

:''ya eṣāṁ puruṣaṁ sākṣād''
:''ātma-prabhavam īśvaram''
:''avajānanti na bhajanty''
:''sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ''
:([[SB 11.5.3|SB 11.5.3]])

I'll give you practical example. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body, your body, but if it becomes diseased, then it cannot act as my finger. It becomes a source of pains only. Then sometime doctor advises, physician, or the surgeon that, "Unless you cut off this finger, the whole hand will be poison," and you have to cut off to save the other fingers. Similarly, we are all part and parcel of the Supreme Lord. When we become disobedient or diseased . . . to become disobedient to God means that is diseased condition, because we have to become obedient to somebody, even if our so-called disobedient state, don't care for God. All right, don't care for God, but care for somebody else. That is obligatory. You cannot say that, "I am . . . I don't care for anybody." That is not possible. If you don't care for God, then you have to care for somebody else. If you don't care for the state law, then you have to take care of the police department. You cannot say that "I am independent." That is not possible. So, our position is forgetting God, we have been kicked out constantly by ''māyā''. The ''māyā'' has given us the senses, and the senses are dictating us, "Do this, do that, do this, do that," and we have become servant of our senses.

So two things are there. You are servant by constitution. Don't think that you are master. But when you forget or give up the service of the Lord, then you become servant of your senses, or ''māyā''. This is your position. So when you voluntarily again give up this service of the senses and surrender to the master of the senses, Hṛṣīkeśa . . . Kṛṣṇa's another name is Hṛṣīkeśa. ''Hṛṣīka-īśa. Hṛṣīka'' means senses. ''Senayor ubhayor madhye rathaṁ sthāpaya me 'cyuta'' ([[BG 1.21-22 (1972)|BG 1.21]]). ''Acyuta'' and ''hṛṣīkeśa'', . . . (indistinct) . . . that is one word, ''hṛṣīkeśa''. So Hṛṣīkeśa is the master of senses, Kṛṣṇa. So when in our present condition we have forgotten our master of senses but we have taken senses as our master, this is our position. We have forgotten the master of the senses, but we have accepted the senses as our master. So this is . . . this has to be purified: not to become the servant of the senses, but to become servant of the master of the senses. Then you also become master of the senses. That purificatory process is called devotional service, or ''bhakti''. That is described in ''Nārada Pañcarātra'': ''sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat paratvena nirmalam'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]).

Now, how we have become the servant of our senses? On account of so many designation: "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am Christian," "I am this," "I am that," "I am . . ." so many designation. So if you . . . designation means to become servant of the senses. Designation means to become the servant. So we have to forget our designation. From this initiation point of view, everyone should consider that, "I am no more American," "I am no more Indian," "No more this or that"—"No, I am Hindu; he is Christian"—"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa." Then you become designationless—"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa, ''jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa'' ([[CC Madhya 20.108-109]])." Then you become designationless, and immediately purified. ''Sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat paratvena nirmalam. Nirmalam'' means spotless. When the spotless, you become spotless, then ''hṛṣīkena'' . . . you have got your senses, then your senses are engaged in the servant of the master of the senses. That is called ''bhakti. Hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate'' ([[CC Madhya 19.170|CC Madhya 19.170]]).

So these things are all very elaborately, nicely explained in our books. So those who are going to be initiated, they should take it as a vow not to fall down again. Catch Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet very tightly and you'll not fall down. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)|BG 7.14]]). So be determined. Don't make it a farce that, "Today I am initiated and tomorrow I again I give up everything and again grow my hair and then go to the hell." No. Don't do that. If you want to be serious, then the path is clear for going back to home.

:''māṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa''
:''bhakti-yogena sevate''
:''sa guṇān samatītyaitān''
:''brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''
:([[BG 14.26 (1972)|BG 14.26]])

As soon as you engage yourself in devotional service you become purified of all material contamination. ''Sa guṇan samatītyaitān''. We are being troubled by the three modes of material nature, but if we stick to our devotional service . . . it is not very difficult to follow the four regulative principles. No illicit sex. There is no question of stopping sex, but no illicit sex. Unfortunately, they're so unfortunate that although they have got their wife, they go to another girl, and although the girl has one husband, he goes . . . she goes to another man. So unfortunate. These things should be stopped if you'll want to be serious; otherwise, make a farce and do whatever you like. I cannot give you protection. That is not possible.

So you must have to follow these rules and regulation if you are serious. Then take initiation. Otherwise, don't make farce. Don't make farce. That is my request. One has to be very determined, ''bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ''. This word is used in the ''Bhāgavatam'': ''dṛḍha-vratāḥ'', strong determination: "Yes, in this life I shall go back to home, back to Godhead." This is determination. And what is the difficulty? No difficulty. Chants Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''. You are taking the beads, sixteen rounds. You can be finished, utmost two hours or three hours. So you have got twenty-four hours. If you want to sleep, of course, twenty-three hours, that is another thing. You have to minimize your sleeping. If you cannot finish sixteen rounds, then you must not sleep on that day; you must not eat. Why don't you forget to eat, forget? Why do you forget chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? This is negligence, ''aparādha'', offense. Rather, you should forget your sleeping and eating and must finish sixteen rounds. This is called determination. This is called determination. So you are welcome to take initiation, but if you are neglectful, if you want to make it a farce, that is your business. I cannot give you any protection.

Thank you very much.

'''Devotee:''' All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)

'''Devotee:''' Questions, Prabhupāda?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Devotee:''' Any questions?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No question now. (end)

770429 - Conversation - Bombay

2026-03-21T04:52:51Z

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'''Prabhupāda:''' They say that the first-class ''yogī ''is he who will have as much as possible sex, but he will not discharge. Kṛṣṇa was that ''yogī''. He had sex with so many gopīs, but He would not discharge.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' They say that?

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the test of first-class ''yogī''. These rascals, they say like that.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' They call that ''tāntrika-yoga''?

'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not know what is that . . . (indistinct) . . . I . . . one rascal fool, medical man, was attending my pharmacy. Dr. Ghosh was also. He used to say like that. He was practicing ''yoga''.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' He was . . . that's what they're all doing.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And he'll not discharge. Still remain with his sperm. ''Yogī''. ''Tāntrika-yogī''.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Tāntrika''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And practice ''yoga ''in the crematorium. Nine woman friend, and sex, and perform meditation without discharge.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Where do they do this?

'''Prabhupāda:''' In the burning ''ghāṭa'', where this dead body is burned.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' They do this with a dead body?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Oh. But they go there.

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is called ''tāntrika-yoga''.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In that book that had your ''Kṛṣṇa'' book quotation, there's a thing about ''tāntrika-yoga'', and this very thing is mentioned. What you're telling me now, it's mentioned there, that the test is to have sex and not allow any semina. They mention that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' I have mentioned?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' No, they quote from some other authority.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, that we . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Shall I . . .?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I don't . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, but it's confirmed, anyway. Yeah, that's what that Rajneesh says. They asked him, "Why are you with so many women?" He said: "This is the proof, that I am able to be with all these women but not be disturbed." But that doesn't really answer why he's with them. Our point is, "Why are you with them? Never mind whether you're disturbed or . . . why are you with them? What benefit are you getting? They are not God. So why are you spending so much time with them?"

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is their way of ''sādhana''. (pause)

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Everyone admits that this is luxurious, fifth floor of . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' It is luxurious. (break) . . . the ''āṭā ''dough. So after it is cooked, they have got ghee. That ball soaked in ghee, and the ''ḍhāl'', it is so nice when taken. That is called ''baṭī''. Very quickly made. And after eating, with that ash the two or three utensils, mean the ''loṭā ''and the plate, they'll cleanse it very nice and walk away. And that food is sufficient for twenty-four hours. Within twenty-four hours he will not be hungry and feel very strong. The two things. And you can cook anywhere, without any difficulty. In India, especially in village, you can get so many dried cow dung. So fuel is ready. The ''āṭā ''is packed up. And ghee in a pot. That's all. How simple life. Simply they'll sit down where there is water, and they'll take water. Then everything is arranged. No hotel. Or even there is no ''āṭā'', they keep their own ghee, homemade, pure. ''Āṭā ''can be purchased anywhere in the village. There is no need of carrying ''āṭā''.

So this preparation for tourist . . . tourist, Indian tourist, means going to some holy place. They have no other sightseeing, no program. All villagers, they are still . . . the pilgrimage in holy places, now no educated man goes. Very rarely. All these villagers by thousands . . . they . . . you see this Tirupati, Tirumala. All the contribution by the villagers. By their hard-earned money they keep something for going. You have seen Tirupati, Tirumal . . .? Standing for hours to contribute in a line. Hundreds of people. They'll come, contribute something. Then they'll shave their head, see the Deity, have some bath in the adjoining lake. Then they'll take ''prasādam''. That is very big tank. Everywhere. In India, wherever some famous temple is there, there is a tank. Now the haircutting, that ''lakhs ''of rupees are sold to foreign countries is hair. Heaps. These managers, they are selling the hairs. Very big business. The foreign countries, the black hair, they purchase it at good price for making wig. (pause) So that is written nice. He wanted to criticize me, but he could not do it very strongly. He did not like the idea that I am sticking to ''Bhagavad-gītā''. That was his . . . but it has been shown that our sticking to ''Bhagavad-gītā'', that is our mission. And it is a science. Why he called sectarian? When Kṛṣṇa says anything, that is science. "Two plus two equal to four" is acceptable by everyone. Why it is sect . . .? Actually, all religion is going on under the plea, "We believe." What is this nonsense, "We believe"? If you believe "Two plus two equal to five," will it be correct? Their religion is "We believe." So our ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is not like that. It is fact. That is the difference. (break) . . . of him. I was staying there in one big room. Crazy. Alone I am.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' He had tried to attack you?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, he couldn't act. Gone crazy.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Taking LSD.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So immediately I transferred myself to Yeargens, keeping my goods at Mukunda's place, Michael. Then I searched out this 26 Second Avenue. From going to 26 Second Avenue taking this risk of two hundred dollars, then I became little relieved. Before that, I was simply vagabond. That was the first shelter. Then this Kīrtanānanda, Hayagrīva, Satsvarūpa, Umāpati, they guided. Brahmānanda. Some other boys also came, and they left.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Stryadhīśa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? Stryadhīśa. So after getting that shelter, I began to grow. Everything was very precarious condition—vagabond. I was selling some books. I thought that, "This boy will be trained up" when I got that place. He invited me, "Come to my loft." It was very big loft. I was holding class, collecting ten dollars. Then he was not paying rent. He gave me the charge of paying rent. So Kṛṣṇa was giving by collecting. It was on this top. Still, people were coming. Great story. Never mind. Now we . . . from my part, whatever is possible. Now you take care. That is my request. Don't spoil it. Now it is up to you. My, this failing health . . . I can pass away at any moment. My health is not good. I am old man; it is not surprising. Now you GBC, young boys, all, American, expert, you have got all intelligence, resources, so don't spoil. Let the movement go forward more and more. Now you have got nice places, filled with devotees. Don't be anxious for me. That, Kṛṣṇa will take. And even if I go, where is the harm? Old man. I have given my ideas and direction in my books. People appreciate. I think from my side I have done everything. Is it not? Do you think or not?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, you have done everything.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? So you are young men, American boys.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Still, we want the whole ''Bhāgavatam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That will be done. Even it is not fulfilled, so there is no harm. But don't send me, in any case, in hospital. Now I am pointing out this. They are useless.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' There's no doubt that you know your body a lot better than they could ever know it. You've lived with it for so many years. They just take somebody's body and they make so many . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Now it is a fact, the Yasrael (Israel) Hospital failure. (break) So many temples. I have given my program how to manage it. Now you see. That is my anxiety, that there may not be any discrepancies or slackness. Am I right or wrong? Hmm?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So far money is here, scattered, you can take charge and do the needful. I kept some money here, there, just to . . . but now you can take charge of the all money, one or two or three of you, and let me remain free from all management. And only request is, don't spoil it. I sometimes chastise everyone that may not be spoiled. You are taking care of everything, but still more careful. I can live without any food, simply taking these fruits. There is no difficulty.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, there are people who do that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. And we don't care for the lunch. What is the . . . I am sitting idly. I haven't got to work hard. I don't require food, little fruits even. Those who are working, they require food to get strength, but I am sitting idly, and brain is working. So far my physical necessity, there is no necessity of food. But I may not so depend on that going to the bath, toilet. I require . . . and that is also not required. There are many persons. That Rajda . . . I . . . He was also. I have seen many men, for rising up, they require help.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Oh, that's normal in old age. That's not unusual.

'''Prabhupāda:''' I can walk. There is no difficulty. But getting up . . . I can . . . if I try, I can get up also.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, you would do it even in Māyāpur. Sometimes you would ring the bell and no one came. You'd get up yourself.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is also not difficult.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' But why should you take that risk?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I shall not. I fell down . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' I know, in Calcutta.

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . in Calcutta. That is bathroom, very slippery. Anyway, why shall I take the risk?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' No, we don't want that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So hold meeting daily and chalk out program. Do very diligently everything so I can see that things are going on nicely without my managerial interference. That will make me happy. And I'll go on writing books. There is . . . (hums) (pause) You are feeling all right?

'''Upendra:''' Yes, Prabhupāda. I was just thinking of . . . when you were speaking about not eating . . . we take pleasure in watching you eat. It is our pleasure to see you eat and enjoy the ''prasādam''. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . mentally to keep the brain, little fruit, milk, is sufficient. So I may live only on fruit or milk. There is no difficulty. What is the use of taking ''cāpāṭis ''and rice?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Of course, when you have a taste for it, then you should take.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is practice. As food value, fruits and milk is sufficient.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes. Habit is there also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' All the great saintly persons in India, they used to live in forest. What food? Only fruits and milk. Sometimes they used to take grains, otherwise milk and fruit. Simple milk is all food, cow's milk. I want to take cow's milk. This is all rubbish.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Oh. Really?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Little cow's milk twice.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' (aside) That milk's not good, Prabhupāda said.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So far ''gurukula ''is concerned, that also, I have given program. They have given the name of "girls." We are not going to do that.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' What is that?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Girls. Boys and girls. That is dangerous.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Gurukula''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' In that article.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Oh, oh, oh.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Girls should be completely separated from the very beginning. They are very dangerous.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' So we're . . . I thought there were girls in Vṛndāvana now. They said that they're going to have the girls' ''gurukula ''behind the boys' ''gurukula''. Gopāla was talking about that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. No girls.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' It should be in another city or somewhere else.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They should be taught how to sweep, how to stitch . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Clean.

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . clean, cook, to be faithful to the husband.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' They don't require a big school.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. That is mistake. They should be taught how to become obedient to the husband.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, you don't learn that in school.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Little education, they can . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah. That they can get at home also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' They should be stopped, this practice of prostitution. This is a very bad system in Europe and America. The boys and girls, they are educated—coeducation. From the very beginning of their life they will become prostitutes. And they encourage.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Oh, yeah.

'''Prabhupāda:''' They distribute pills. I have seen the boys and girls dancing together, embracing, in the school . . . (indistinct) . . . that ruins the career. Both of them are ruined. That is very regrettable. Then you shall require this sterilization, pills, another big program. They are creating animal civilization, and when the animals are disturbing, they are trying to find out some other means. This is their program. First of all create animals. Then, when the animals behave like animals, then another program. Why do you create animal? Woman ''brahmacāriṇī'', this is artificial.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In our centers, though, there are so many ''brahmacāriṇīs'', and even sometimes they're encouraged to remain ''brahmacāriṇī''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That they cannot. As soon as they will find opportunity, they will become ''vyabhicāriṇī''.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' They'll become what?

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vyabhicāriṇī''. For woman, protection.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' So you don't advocate this remaining sing . . . these women remaining ''brahmacāriṇīs''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore polygamy was allowed. Let them be taken care of, one husband, three wives. Therefore the ''kṣatriyas ''were taking hundreds of women. They had money.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Who?

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Kṣatriyas''.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Kṣatriyas'', yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like we see, when Devakī was married, so many Devakī's young friends also went. They were taken shelter. The woman population is always bigger. (end)

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Kapila - Vanisource

2026-03-14T17:06:41Z

Visnu Murti:

Lord Kapila is the 7th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 332 verses. He speaks only in the 3rd and 9th cantos.

Here we see how many verses he speaks in each canto.

:3rd canto = 331 verses
:9th canto = 1 verse

* Explore the philosophical theme-based presentation of Kapila's spoken verses in this Vanipedia article: [[Vanipedia: Lord Kapila's Sāṅkhya - The Science of Devotion and Analysis of Matter| Lord Kapila's Sāṅkhya - The Science of Devotion and Analysis of Matter.]]
* Explore the Theme Analysis of Kapila's spoken verses in this Vaniquotes category: [[Vaniquotes:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Kapila - Vaniquotes|Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Kapila - Vaniquotes.]]
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2026-03-14T16:34:54Z

Visnu Murti:

Lord Brahma is the 6th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 397 verses. He does not speak in the 1st and 12th cantos.

We see here how many verses he speaks through each canto.

:2nd canto = 139 verses
:3rd canto = 105 verses
:4th canto = 26 verses
:5th canto = 9 verses
:6th canto = 5 verses
:7th canto = 11 verses
:8th canto = 43 verses
:9th canto = 6 verses
:10th canto = 43 verses
:11th canto = 10 verses

* Explore the philosophical theme-based presentation of Lord Brahmā's spoken verses in this Vanipedia article: [[Vanipedia:Prayers and Instructions of Lord Brahmā - The Secondary Creator and Universal Manager|Prayers and Instructions of Lord Brahmā - The Secondary Creator and Universal Manager.]]
* Explore the Theme Analysis of Lord Brahmā's spoken verses in this Vaniquotes category: [[Vaniquotes:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Brahma - Vaniquotes|Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Brahma - Vaniquotes.]]

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Pariksit Maharaja - Vanisource

2026-01-28T09:52:09Z

Visnu Murti:

Pariksit Maharaja is the 8th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 202 verses. He speaks in all cantos except the 4th canto.

Here we see how many verses He speaks in each canto.

:1st canto = 38 verses
:2nd canto = 33 verses
:3rd canto = 3 verses
:5th canto = 12 verses
:6th canto = 26 verses
:7th canto = 3 verses
:8th canto = 14 verses
:9th canto = 12 verses
:10th canto = 50 verses
:11th canto = 5 verses
:12th canto = 8 verses

* Explore the philosophical theme-based presentation of Mahārāja Parīkṣit's spoken verses in this Vanipedia article: [[Vanipedia:Mahārāja Parīkṣit's Transcendental Inquiries|Mahārāja Parīkṣit's Transcendental Inquiries.]]
* Explore the Theme Analysis of Mahārāja Parīkṣit's spoken verses in this Vaniquotes category: [[Vaniquotes:Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Pariksit Maharaja - Vaniquotes|Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam Verses Spoken by Pariksit Maharaja.]]

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720402 - Conversation - Sydney

2026-01-13T09:45:15Z

Visnu Murti:

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'''Prabhupāda:''' That's a fact. Today the superior training and intelligence. No so-called gentleman will hear . . . (indistinct) . . . attention continually. Nobody will hear. They come and hear, they go on. But they were hearing very seriously. Was it not?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Questions were intelligent. So all these frustrated boys and girls in the Western world, they are all good candidate. You have to organize to give them, they are searching after.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It seems like that it's the nature of all living entities to be mad after something.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Love. That I explained—love. We have got our love in store. But instead of loving Kṛṣṇa, we have distributed the love in so many ways, and frustrated. Love is there in store. That is reserved for Kṛṣṇa. And we are trying to love Kṛṣṇa, that I explained.

Why I am loving this body, loving this apartment? Ultimately it goes to Kṛṣṇa. But that you do not know. You are actually trying to love Kṛṣṇa. But because nobody is giving him Kṛṣṇa, he's crying.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That was the name of Allen Ginsberg's first book, Howl.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Howl.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Howa?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Howl. That means it was a protest, a howling, "You have not given us the right information," to his elders. "Now what do we do? Simply howl." That was the introduction for our generation, and we all listened to that, read that, the howl protest.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He is also searching after, therefore he comes. Whenever he finds opportunity, he comes to me. He's searching after Kṛṣṇa.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes. He gets so many bogus ideas. (laughs)

'''Prabhupāda:''' (chuckles) But still he's attached to us.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' He embraces you when you meet.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He likes me. (laughter) Simply his only objection is that I am very conservative. He said: "Swāmī, you are very conservative." Because I forbid so many things. He cannot. Otherwise he would have joined me, but he cannot.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' No.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He knows that, "Unless I give up all these bad habits, Swāmī will not accept me."

'''Devotee (1):''' He is a very enthusiastic chanter.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Devotee (1):''' Oh, we were in this chapel chanting.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He was there?

'''Devotee (1):''' Yes, he was there. He came down on stage, jumping up and down, "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa." Then he took ''prasādam''. He was very enthusiastic.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, he has promised to me that, "Wherever I shall go, I shall chant." That he has promised.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' He's going to be . . . he gave me his address in California, so he'll be living there for some time.

'''Prabhupāda:''' I asked him that if he was there he can see me again. Our mission is very nice. We want to see everyone happy. We don't want anything from anyone. We don't say that, "You give me fee, then I give you some ''mantra''." No, we don't say like that. Our instruction is free. I want to see that they are doing it and they are happy, that's all. ''Rādhā-kṛṣṇa bolo, saṅge calo, ei-mātra bhikhā cāi ''(from ''Gītāvalī''), this Bhaktivinoda's, "You simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and come with me. This much I want. I don't want anything else."

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So one who is mad after something else material, mad after this or that . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' It is perverted.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' And he must transfer his love . . . madness to Kṛṣṇa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That madness should be for Kṛṣṇa.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So how is that madness transferred?

'''Prabhupāda:''' By this devotional service. You practice it to love Kṛṣṇa. And then when you come to the actual stage, you will be mad after Kṛṣṇa. This is the process to bring to you . . . bring you to the platform.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' No other way can replace . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)|BG 18.55]]): by devotional service. Neither by ''jñāna, yoga, karma'', no, that will not touch. You cannot become mad after Kṛṣṇa by any means except by this devotional service. Therefore, we are so much conservative. Because if we are actually after Kṛṣṇa, then you must accept the real method.

'''Devotee (1):''' Though we must be eager for devotional service, we still have to have this patience and determination, then create some . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Because ''māyā'' is strong, sometimes you are deviated. Therefore we have to be determined.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It seems only natural, gradually if you are all the time serving, serving, serving Kṛṣṇa, eventually . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, this is the only way. ''Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ'' (Brs. 1.2.234). By your service, Kṛṣṇa will automatically reveal Himself. He wants service, therefore He said: "Surrender unto Me." "Surrender unto Me," not stop all activities. "Surrender unto Me." What He will say, you do. That is surrender. Just like Arjuna surrendered. So surrender means that he had to fight. That is surrender. Not that, "I surrender, I do nothing." That is not surrender. That is only negation. Doing nothing of the material thing, that is negation. Take the positive view. That is doing always for Kṛṣṇa.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Eventually your mind will become so occupied, and every field of activity will become so occupied, that you will forget everything else, eventually.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ ''(Brs. 1.1.11). Zero. All everything zero, make it zero. ''Śūnyam. Jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam'' ([[CC Madhya 19.167|CC Madhya 19.167]]). ''Jñāna-karma'' means there is some aspiration of profit. ''Karmīs'', they are trying to be elevated in higher planetary system. And ''jñānīs'', they are wanting to become one with the Supreme. So that is also demand. That means there is some desire. It is not ''anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam''.

But one has to become ''anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam''—any desire, make it zero. Then what to do? I shall become dull and dumb? No. ''Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanaṁ'' ([[CC Madhya 19.167|CC Madhya 19.167]]), you have to work according . . . favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires. That's it. That is wanted, that is ''bhakti. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu'', that is right. You have to simply abide by the orders of Kṛṣṇa or His representative, that's all. That is required.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Then you become automatically mad after Kṛṣṇa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The more you practice, the more you become mad.

'''Devotee (1):''' As in that verse, "Thus by the higher self conquer the lower . . . thus with the higher self conquer the lower self and curb the insatiable enemy known as lust."

'''Prabhupāda:''' Higher self? I don't follow.

'''Devotee (1):''' That verse in the ''Gītā''?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, this is ''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu''. You will find in Nectar of Devotion. ''Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam'' (Brs. 1.1.11). You have read this Nectar of Devotion?

'''Devotee (1):''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You will find there. Where is Nectar of Devotion? Bring it.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So our business, our main business really is engaging people in serving Kṛṣṇa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Somehow or other engage. If you cannot engage him, then let him simply eat. Engage him in eating, that's all. We are actually doing in the beginning, "Please come here and take some ''prasadam'' and go home." ''Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam''.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' (aside) Turn the light switch on. (break) Which, the first sentence?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' "The three categories of devotional service which Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī describes in ''Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu'' are listed as devotional service in practice, devotional service in ecstasy and devotional service in pure love of Godhead. There are many subheadings in each of these categories."

"But generally it is understood that in the category of devotional service in practice there are two different qualities, devotional service in ecstasy has four qualities, and devotional service in pure love of Godhead has six qualities. These qualities will be explained by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī later on."

"In this connection, Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī suggests that the person eligible for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or devotional service, can be classified by his particular taste. He says that devotional service is a continual process from one's previous life. No one can take to devotional service unless he has had some previous connection with it. For example, suppose in this life I practice devotional service to some extent."

"Even though it is not one-hundred-percent perfectly performed, still, whatever I have done will not be lost. In my next life, from the very point where I had stopped in this life, I shall begin again. In this way there is always a continuity. But even if there is no continuity, if only by chance a person takes interest in a pure devotee's instruction, he can be accepted and advance in devotional service."

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the point. Preaching means this. Even one has no previous record of service, still, if he meets a pure devotee, he becomes enthusiastic. Therefore preaching required. Otherwise, one can say that whatever he has done last life, he will begin from that. No. Then?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' "Anyway, for persons who have a natural taste for understanding books like the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', devotional service is easier than for those who are simply accustomed to mental speculation and argumentative processes."

"To support this statement there are many authoritative assertions by the learned scholars of bygone ages. According to their general opinion, a person may become governed by certain convictions derived by his own arguments and decisions. Then another person, who may be a greater logician, will nullify these conclusions and establish another thesis. In this way the path of argument will never be safe or conclusive. The ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' recommends, therefore, that one follow in the footsteps of the authorities."

"Here is a general description of devotional service given by Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī in his ''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu''. Previously, it has been stated that devotional service can be divided into three categories—namely devotional service in practice, devotional service in ecstasy and devotional service in pure love of God. Now Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī proposes to describe devotional service in practice. Practice means employing our senses in some particular type of work. Therefore devotional service in practice means utilizing our different sensory organs in service to Kṛṣṇa. Some of the senses are meant for acquiring knowledge, and some are meant for executing the conclusions of our thinking, feeling and willing."

"So practice means employing both the mind and the senses in practical devotional service. This practice is not for developing something artificial. For example, a child learns or practices to walk. This walking is not unnatural. The walking capacity is there originally in the child, and simply by a little practice he walks very nicely. Similarly, devotional service to the Supreme Lord is the natural instinct of every living entity. Even uncivilized men like the aborigines offer their respectful obeisances to something wonderful exhibited by nature's law, and they appreciate that behind some wonderful exhibition or action there is something supreme. So this consciousness, though lying dormant in those who are materially contaminated, is found in every living entity. And when it is purified, this is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness."

"There are certain prescribed methods for employing our senses and mind in such a way that our dormant consciousness for loving Kṛṣṇa will be invoked, as much as the child, with a little practice, can begin to walk. One who has no basic walking capacity cannot walk by practice. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness cannot be aroused simply by practice. Actually there is no such practice. When we wish to develop our innate capacity for devotional service, there are certain processes which, by our accepting and executing them, will cause that dormant capacity to be invoked. Such practice is called ''sādhana-bhakti''."

"Every living entity under the spell of material energy is held to be in an abnormal condition of madness. In the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' it is said, 'Generally, the conditioned soul is mad, because he is always engaged in activities which are the causes of bondage and suffering.' The spirit soul in its original condition is joyful, blissful, eternal and full of knowledge, and only by his implication in material activities has he become miserable, temporary and full of ignorance. This is due to ''vikarma''. ''Vikarma ''means actions which should not be done."

"Therefore, we must practice ''sādhana-bhakti'', which means to offer ''maṅgala-ārati'' in the morning, to refrain from certain material activities, to offer obeisances to the spiritual master and to follow many other rules and regulations which will be discussed here, one after another. These practices will help one to become cured of madness. As a man's mental disease is cured by the directions of a psychiatrist, so this ''sādhana-bhakti'' cures the conditioned soul of his madness under the spell of ''maya'', or material illusion."

"Nārada Muni mentions this ''sādhana-bhakti ''in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Seventh Canto, First Chapter, thirtieth verse ([[SB 7.1.13|SB 7.1.13]]). He says there to King Yudhiṣṭhira, 'My dear King, one has to fix his mind on Kṛṣṇa by any means.' That is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is the duty of the ''ācārya'', spiritual master, to find the ways and means for his disciple to fix his mind on Kṛṣṇa. That is the beginning of ''sādhana-bhakti''."

"Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given us an authorized program for this purpose, centered around the chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''. This chanting has so much power that it immediately attaches one to Kṛṣṇa. That is the beginning of ''sādhana-bhakti''. Somehow or other, one has to fix his mind on Kṛṣṇa. The great saint Ambarīṣa Mahārāja, although a responsible king, fixed his mind on Kṛṣṇa, and similarly anyone who tries to fix his mind in this way will very rapidly make progress in successfully reviving his original Kṛṣṇa consciousness."

"Now this ''sādhana-bhakti'', or practice of devotional service, can also be divided into two parts. The first part is called regulative principles: one has to follow these different regulative principles by the order of the spiritual master or on the strength of authoritative scriptures, and there can be no question of refusal. That is called vaidhī, or regulated. One has to do it without any argument."

"Another part of ''sādhana-bhakti'' is called ''rāgānuga. Rāgānuga'' refers to the point at which, by following the regulative principles, one becomes a little more attached to Kṛṣṇa and executes devotional service out of natural love. For example, a person engaged in devotional service may be ordered to rise early in the morning and offer ''ārātrika'', which is a form of Deity worship. In the beginning, by the order of his spiritual master, one rises early in the morning and offers ''ārātrika'', but then he develops real attachment. When he gets this attachment, he automatically tries to decorate the Deity and prepare different kinds of dresses and thinks of different plans to execute his devotional service nicely. Although it is within the category of practice, this offering of loving service is spontaneous. So the practice of devotional service, ''sādhana-bhakti'', can be divided into two parts, namely, regulative and spontaneous."

"Rūpa Gosvāmī defines the first part of devotional practice, or ''vaidhī-bhakti'', as follows: 'When there is no attachment or no spontaneous loving service to the Lord, and one is engaged in the service of the Lord simply out of obedience to the order of the spiritual master or in pursuance of the scriptures, such obligatory service is called ''vaidhī-bhakti''.' "

"These principles of ''vaidhī-''bhakti are also described in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Second Canto, First Chapter, verse 35 ([[SB 2.1.35|SB 2.1.35]]), where Śukadeva Gosvāmī instructs the dying Mahārāja Parīkṣit as to his course of action. Mahārāja Parīkṣit met Śukadeva Gosvāmī just a week before his death, and the King was perplexed as to what should be done before he was to pass on. Many other sages also arrived there, but no one could give him the proper direction. Śukadeva Gosvāmī, however, gave this direction to him as follows: 'My dear King, if you want to be fearless in meeting your death next week (for actually everyone is afraid at the point of death), then you must immediately begin the process of hearing and chanting and remembering God.' So if one can chant and hear Hare Kṛṣṇa and always remember Lord Kṛṣṇa, then he is sure to become fearless of death, which may come at any moment."

"In the statements of Śukadeva Gosvāmī it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommends that one should always hear about Kṛṣṇa. He does not recommend that one hear and chant about the demigods. The Māyāvādīs, or impersonalists, say that you can chant any name, either that of Kṛṣṇa or those of the demigods, and the results will be the same. But actually this is not a fact. According to the authorized version of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', one has to hear and chant about Lord Viṣṇu (Kṛṣṇa) only."

"So Śukadeva Gosvāmī has recommended to Parīkṣit Mahārāja that in order to be fearless of death, one has to hear and chant and remember the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, by all means. He also mentions that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is ''sarvātmā. Sarvātmā'' means the Supersoul of everyone. Kṛṣṇa is also mentioned as ''īśvara'', the supreme controller who is situated in everyone's heart. Therefore, if some way or other we become attached to Kṛṣṇa, He will make us free from all danger. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said that anyone who becomes a devotee of the Lord is never vanquished. Others, however, are always vanquished. 'Vanquished' means that after getting this human form of life, a person does not come out of the entanglement of birth and death, and thus he misses his golden opportunity. Such a person does not know where he is being thrown by the laws of nature."

"Suppose one does not develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this human form of life. He will then be thrown into the cycle of birth and death, involving 8,400,000 species of life, and his spiritual identity will remain lost. One does not know whether he is going to be a plant, or a beast, or a bird, or something like that, because there are so many species of life. The recommendation of Rūpa Gosvāmī for reviving our original Kṛṣṇa consciousness is that somehow or other we should apply our minds to Kṛṣṇa very seriously and thus also become fearless of death."

"After death we do not know our destination, because we are completely under the control of the laws of nature. Only Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is controller over the laws of nature. Therefore, if we take shelter of Kṛṣṇa seriously, there will be no fear of being thrown back into the cycle of so many species of life. A sincere devotee will surely be transferred to the abode of Kṛṣṇa, as affirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''."

"In the ''Padma Purāṇa ''also, the same process is advised. There it is said that one should always remember Lord Viṣṇu. This is called ''dhyāna'', or meditation—always remembering Kṛṣṇa. It is said that one has to meditate with his mind fixed upon Viṣṇu. ''Padma Purāṇa'' recommends that one always fix his mind on the form of Viṣṇu by meditation and not forget Him at any moment. And this state of consciousness is called ''samādhi'', or trance."

"We should always try to mold the activities of our lives in such a way that we will constantly remember Viṣṇu, or Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Whether one concentrates his mind on the four-handed form of Viṣṇu or on the form of two-handed Kṛṣṇa, it is the same. The ''Padma Purāṇa'' recommends: somehow or other always think of Viṣṇu, without forgetting Him under any circumstances. Actually, this is the most basic of all regulative principles. For, when there is an order from a superior about doing something, there is simultaneously a prohibition. So when the order is that one should always remember Kṛṣṇa, the prohibition is that one should never forget Him. Within this simple order and prohibition, all regulative principles are found complete."

"This regulative principle is applicable to all ''varṇas'' and ''āśramas'', the castes and occupations of life. There are four ''varṇas'', namely the ''brahmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'', the ''vaiśyas ''and the ''śūdras''. There are also four standard ''āśramas'', namely ''brahmacarya, gṛhastha, vānaprastha'' and ''sannyāsa''. The regulative principles are not only for the ''brahmacārīs'' to follow, but are applicable for all. It doesn't matter whether one is a beginner—a ''brahmacārī''—or if one is very advanced—a ''sannyāsī''. The principle of remembering the Supreme Personality of Godhead constantly and not forgetting Him at any moment is meant to be followed by everyone, without fail."

"If this injunction is followed, then all other rules and regulations will automatically fall into line. All other rules and regulations should be treated as assistants or servants to this one basic principle. The injunctions of rules and regulations and the resultant reactions are mentioned in the Eleventh Canto of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Fifth Chapter, first and second verses ([[SB 11.5.1|SB 11.5.1]]). Camasa Muni, one of the nine sages who came to instruct King Nimi, addressed the King and said, 'The four social orders, namely the ''brahmins'', the ''kṣatriyas'', the ''vaiśyas ''and the ''śūdras'', have come out of the different parts of the universal form of the Supreme Lord as follows: the ''brahmins'' have come out from the head, the ''kṣatriyas'' have come out from the arms, the ''vaiśyas'' have come out from the waist and the ''śūdras'' have come out from the legs. Similarly, the ''sannyāsīs'' have come out from the head, the ''vānaprasthas'' from the arms, the ''gṛhasthas'' from the waist and the ''brahmacārīs'' from the legs.' "

"These different orders of society and grades of spiritual advancement are conceived in terms of qualification. It is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that the four social orders and the four spiritual orders are created by the Lord Himself, in terms of different individual qualities. As the different parts of the body have different types of activities, so the social orders and spiritual orders also have different types of activities in terms of their qualification and position."

"The target of these activities, however, is always the Supreme Personality of Godhead. As it is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', 'He is the supreme enjoyer.' So whether one is a ''brāhmaṇa'' or a ''śūdra'', he has to satisfy the Supreme Lord by his activities. This is also confirmed in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' by a verse which reads, 'Everyone must be engaged in his particular duty, but the perfection of such work should be tested by how far the Lord is satisfied with such activities.' The injunction herein is that one has to act according to his position, and by such activities, one must either satisfy the Supreme Personality or else fall down from his position."

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It's so clear.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It's so clear, this book.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You read regularly ''Nectar of Devotion''. Regularly. All these books should be regularly read. That will give you guidance. You haven't got to ask repeatedly to me; everything is there. You are selling ''Nectar of Devotion''?

'''Devotee (1):''' We're waiting for our next shipment from Japan. Then we'll begin.

'''Prabhupāda:''' These four books will give you all guidance—''Kṛṣṇa'', ''Nectar of Devotion'', ''Bhagavad-gītā As It Is'', and . . . what is that?

'''Upendra:''' ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' All guidance. ''Rādhā-kṛṣṇa bolo bolo bolo re sobāi''.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' What does that mean?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Lord Caitanya is preaching simply this, that you all chant Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, or Hare Kṛṣṇa, that's all. ''Ei śikhā diyā, sab nadīyā phirche nece' gaura-nitāi'': "By teaching this philosophy, the two brothers, Gaura-Nitāi, are traveling all over Nadia." ''Māyār bośe, jāccho bhese', khāccho hābuḍubu bhāi'': "Why you are being carried away by the waves of ''māyā''? Why, unnecessarily? And you are being drowned and saved."

''Jīv kṛṣṇa-dās, e biśwās, korle ''. . . "Simply believe that you are eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, then all these troubles immediately gone." ''Bolbe jabe, pulak ha'be'', that "If you chant this, then you will feel ecstasy." ''Rādhā kṛṣṇa bolo, saṅge calo, ei-mātra bhikhā'', "So I don't ask you anything. Simply chant and come with me." Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura. Have you got puffed rice? No.

'''Upendra:''' In the shop. You have to get it from a shop.

'''Prabhupāda:''' But I don't think you can get now.

'''Devotee (1):''' We could try.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Any stores open?

'''Devotee (1):''' I'll go see.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That supermarket?

'''Upendra:''' It's Easter Sunday.

'''Devotee (1):''' There's a little shop, they always carry puffed rice in the little shop. Holidays?

'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Puffed rice in the box.

'''Devotee (1):''' Yeah. I'll see.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You have got peanuts?

'''Upendra:''' Yes. Peanuts, milk.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Upendra:''' Peanuts and milk?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, puffed rice and peanuts, and milk separate. (laughter)

'''Upendra:''' This flower . . . just these flowers here in the vase on your desk, they only . . . the smell, the flavor, only comes out at night.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Rajanigandha. They are called Rajanigandha.

'''Upendra:''' Night Queen?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Very nice flower . . . (indistinct) . . . in English is called . . . (indistinct) . . .? What do you call in English?

'''Upendra:''' Night Queen.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Night Queen?

'''Upendra:''' In Fiji they call them Night Queen. I didn't know if this was the same thing.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see how Kṛṣṇa's creation, wonderful creation. And they defy. Oh, what nonsense they are. There is no brain in creating such nice flower, flavor? "It is automatic, nature, nature." What is this nature? Rascal. Nature means rascaldom. Nature. What do you mean by nature? Just see how foolish they are. They cannot explain what is this nature. Simply say. I'm simply sorry that the so-called institution, education, simply making people all fools and rascals. That is my grief only. I am therefore trying to give them some intelligence.

The whole program is to create some fools and rascals, that's all. Any philosopher, any scientist comes, I can say that, "You are simply creating fools and rascals, because you are also fools and rascals." I can say, challenge. Then let us come to argument. "You are such a fool and rascal, and you are creating fools and rascals, that's all. That is your business." And that is going on as the advancement of education. You do not know. What do you . . . how do you explain? You say nature. That means you are fool.

We have got our explanation: Kṛṣṇa. His energy is working. ''Svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca'' (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8). His energy is so fine and nice that automatically it appears that the color has come, the painting has come, but there is working, very fine work, working. The modern science, you want to talk with a friend, immediately you pay something, telephone, "Yes, I am speaking." Actually the man is there, he is talking and I am hearing, but by scientific arrangement it is so that he is thousand miles away, just like speaking with him. But he has come before me. Although he is away thousand miles, it appears that he has come before me and talking.

So if this energy, electric energy, can work so wonderful, how much wonderful energies are there in Kṛṣṇa that He is working and it is coming out, automatically. You say . . . cannot explain, you will say it is nature. No. The same working is there. Just like if you paint one flower, you have to take the brush, color, and nicely . . . you cannot do as nice. So Kṛṣṇa has also to do the same thing, but the energy is so fine and quick, ''svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca''. Kṛṣṇa's energies will go on. Just like if you want to create something, a house, you have to apply your engineer, your contractor, the ingredients. But Kṛṣṇa also will do the same thing. But His energies are so fine and expert, He desires, "Let there be a skyscraper," immediately there is. But the process is there. Don't think it has come automatically.

The same thing: If you want to speak to a friend a thousand miles away, you have to go there and find him, or he has to come. The process is there. By electricity, immediately he comes. Is it not be possible? Process is there that he has to come or you have to go. But by electricity, it has shortened. Similarly, the working capacity is going there, but it is so shortened and perfect, you see, "Oh, it has come automatically by nature." Not automatically. The process is so nice and short. That is real explanation. Process is there. You cannot say that . . . it appears like miracle because your brain cannot accommodate how quickly all these things come. You have got poor brain; you cannot accommodate. You are thinking, "If I have to . . . I have to paint this, simply painting I have to take so much time."

Just like if a man asks you one thousand dollar, he is thinking, "He has to collect and pay me." But if you write a note, give it to Nanda-kumāra, and he keeps it as check, and Nanda-kumāra pays immediately one thousand dollar. So he will be surprised, "How is that? What is this writing, this immediately one thousand dollar came?" Because he is thinking, "To all one thousand dollar, it will take one thousand days, and Swāmījī wrote like this, and immediately." The process is there. One thousand dollar collection, I have to do something and it has come there, it is . . . but the energy is so quick, energy is so perfect, that simply by giving a note and he gets it. You cannot say the process is not there. The process is there.

Just like modern scientific method has minimized space and time. For coming to Australia, fifty years ago it would have taken six months. Now we come six hours. The process coming is there. By scientific method, the space and time has been shortened. Similarly, in manufacturing this flower, the process is there; but the system of Kṛṣṇa's energy is so perfect, it has shortened. ''Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva . . . svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca'' (Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, [[CC Madhya 13.65|CC Madhya 13.65, purport]]). Just like . . . what is that machine, IBM?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Computer.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Computer. That is mechanical, the calculating. The calculating process is there, but by nice machine, it has shortened. That process is Kṛṣṇa's energy. He is so expert that it is just like computers—immediately comes. Not that the process is not there. Process is there. (break)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It seems like the more and more scientists try to investigate and imitate this process, they become more and more entangled in the complications. They can't understand it.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That process is crude. They are thinking that it is very fine, but it is still crude. Just like here, the . . . (pause) What I was speaking?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' The more scientists investigate the workings of nature, the more complicated it becomes. They can never understand it.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' They think it's complicated, but still . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Not complicated; it is perfect.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' But they have no brain to understand.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It becomes more complex.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like any ordinary man, how this tape recorder is working? There is a process. But because we have no brain, we think, "How it has become? How it has become?"

'''Śyāmasundara:''' It's so complex to us.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So one who does not know, it is complex. One who is in knowledge, for him it is not complex. Therefore ''Bhāgavata'' says ''anvayād vitarekabhyam. Anvayād itarataś ca artheṣu abhijñaḥ ''([[SB 1.1.1|SB 1.1.1]]). The Supreme Personality of Godhead is completely well versed. Well versed. Kṛṣṇa just like says: "Yes, I spoke this philosophy millions of years. I remember; you have forgot." There we have to study, how Kṛṣṇa's brain is.

Kṛṣṇa says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', "Yes, I spoke." When Arjuna defied, "How can I believe that You spoke millions of years ago this philosophy to sun-god?" "Yes, that's a fact. You also were there. But I remember; you don't remember." The child, just like father says: "My dear child, when you were two years old you fell down and there was a fracture in your brain." And child, "Yes?" He cannot remember. The father can say: "Yes, it happened. You have forgotten. I remember." This is practical.

Similarly, Kṛṣṇa can remember everything, ''vedāhaṁ samatītāni'' ([[BG 7.26 (1972)|BG 7.26]]). You may not remember. You have no such brain. You are teeny. But why should you defy Kṛṣṇa? Why should you deny the facility for Kṛṣṇa? That means you are thinking, "Kṛṣṇa, He is like me." ''Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā''. Because you are rascal, you are thinking Kṛṣṇa is like another rascal like you. That is poor fund of knowledge. ''Paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto'' ([[BG 9.11 (1972)|BG 9.11]]). "Because they do not know, rascal, what I am, what I can do," ''avajānanti'', "they think, 'Kṛṣṇa is like me.' "

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So actually most people are innocent, but if the . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Not innocent—rascal. Innocent, another thing. Innocent, if he is innocent, if I say: "You do not know, this is . . ." "Oh," then he will accept. But he will protest, a rascal. Innocent will accept. Therefore the more one is innocent, simple, it is easy for him, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The more one is rascal, it is very difficult.

'''Upendra:''' Is one called Māyāvāda philosophy?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Upendra:''' Māyāvādīs, are they thinking like that, Kṛṣṇa is . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, "He is ordinary man. A little better than me, that's all." That Dr. Frog's philosophy. Atlantic was, "That's all right, may be little one feet more than this well, that's all." He cannot imagine that millions of wells will be not compared. That he cannot begin. He says: "Yes, it may be bigger, say one foot bigger, two feet bigger. All right, ten feet bigger; make compromise." That's all. He will never think that beyond his estimation. Never think. He'll simply calculate, "All right, if not one, two feet, three feet. All right, ten feet." And the friend will say: "No, no, it is very, very great."

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Once you said . . . you quoted one verse in Māyāpur and you said that everyone is dancing under Kṛṣṇa's direction. I forgot your explanation.

'''Prabhupāda:'''

:''ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya''
:''yāre yaiche nācāya, se taiche kare nṛtya''
:([[CC Adi 5.142|CC Adi 5.142]])

Kṛṣṇa is so kind. As Māyāvādī philosopher you want to do something, Kṛṣṇa will "All right, dance in this way. Dance. All right, dance. You talk like this." Kṛṣṇa gives him capacity to talk. Otherwise, he cannot talk even. So Kṛṣṇa gives him intelligence, counterargument: "All right, let the rascal speak as he likes." Therefore, ''yāre yaiche nācāya'': He is allowing to dance everyone as he desires.

But He says that, "You give up all this nonsense, you simply surrender unto Me." That is His version. Otherwise, if you want to dance, "All right, I give you facility to dance." The ''karmīs'' are dancing. "All right, dance." The ''jñānīs'' are dancing. "All right, dance. Go on speculating, but you will never understand Me."

'''Śyāmasundara:''' But He is always playing the tune, Kṛṣṇa?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Kṛṣṇa is always playing the tune by which everyone is dancing?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. You wanted to dance like this, He is giving facility. He is not in agreement with you.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Oh, I see.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Otherwise, why does He say: "You give up all this nonsense. You surrender"? He does not approve, but he wanted to dance, "All right, you take the facility, dance." He doesn't like it that you should dance like that, but he wants. "All right, you dance. You can take the facility, dance." Just like my Guru Mahārāja, Tīrtha Mahārāja wanted his property. "All right, take this property." But what he is doing?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' (laughs) Sitting there in his wheelchair.

'''Prabhupāda:''' "You wanted property, take property. All right." He's kind, "All right, this man gave me some service, he wants this property. All right, take this property." But what he has gained?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Nothing.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. I never wanted his property. I simply desired that such a sublime message, that my poetry, that . . .

'''Śyāmasundara:''' First poem upon arriving.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. "Miracle done." I wanted, "Oh, there is a miracle. If I try to preach this miracle in the world." So he has given me the facility. I never wanted the Gauḍīya Maṭha buildings.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So because you desired in a certain way, he provided that facility also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, I desired that, "Such a wonderful message, why not preach?"

'''Devotee (3):''' And you got buildings also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Devotee (3):''' You got buildings . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Building automatically comes. But rascal fools, they do not understand this. That is mentioned in the . . . in ''bhakti'', other success follows. Just like when the queen goes, there are many maidservants catching the . . . what is called?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Train.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Train, yes. They follow. So if ''bhakti'' follows, then all other things follows. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura also says that ''muktiḥ mukulitāṅjali sevate asmān, bhaktis tvayi sthiratarā yadi bhagavan syād''. "If there is pure devotion for You, then ''muktiḥ mukulitāṅjali, mukti ''is standing, 'My dear sir, what can I do for you?' Folded hand." ''Dharmārtha-kāma-mokṣa samaya-pratīkṣāḥ'' ([[SB 4.8.41|SB 4.8.41]]): "And the material happiness, they are simply waiting." The servant waits, "Yes, sir, what do you want?"

'''Śyāmasundara:''' (laughs) Boy. Phew.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Simply one has to develop.

:''bhaktis tvayi sthiratarā bhagavan yadi syād''
:''daivena naḥ phalati divya-kiśora-mūrtiḥ''
:''muktiḥ (svayaṁ) mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān''
:''dharmārtha-kāma-(gatayaḥ) samaya-pratīkṣāḥ''
:([[SB 4.8.41|SB 4.8.41]]).

There is definition given by . . . ''bhaktis sthiratarā'', "Unflinching devotional service, if there is, then by Your will, anyone can see," ''divya-kiśora mūrtiḥ'', "can see Me." And so far other things are concerned, ''mukti'' and ''bhukti'', they are simply waiting.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' The whole secret of life has been lost when this civilization was lost. Every knowledge.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So you try to give them, these foolish men. They are after ''dharma artha kāma mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]], [[CC Adi 1.90]]). Therefore ''Bhāgavata'' begins, ''dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra ''([[SB 1.1.2|SB 1.1.2]]): all this cheating, rascaldom, is thrown away. ''Dharma artha kāma mokṣa. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra''. Śrīdhara Svāmī explains ''kaitavaḥ'', these are all cheating. The so-called religion, so-called economic development, so-called sense gratification, so-called liberation, they're all cheating.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Because they promise something they don't deliver?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. Even if you get it, what do you get? You go to . . . suppose you go to church: "God, give us our daily bread." God is giving, then what do you get? Bread is given to the animals also. Why you are going to the church? That is the Communist say that, "We shall give you bread. Why you waste your time with so-called religion?" The politician says that "You want to be happy, there is technology. Why you are going to pray to God? This is all nonsense." They are thinking that. But prayer is not meant for that purpose. Prayer . . . just like we are praying, but our prayer is, "Kṛṣṇa, kindly engage me in Your service," Hare Kṛṣṇa. "O the energy of Kṛṣṇa, O the Lord Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your service." This is our prayer. We are not going to pray, "O God, give us our daily bread." And if you get bread, then what do you gain?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' We've all experienced that. We've had so much bread. What did we get?

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. Even you get bread, what do you get? Bread is already given even to the animals. That they do not know. Therefore they take religion for material gain, ''dharma artha''. And ''Bhāgavata'' says, ''arthasya dharmaikāntasya kāmo lābhāya hi smṛtaḥ''. When you get money, it is not for satisfaction of your senses. ''Kāmasya nendriya-prītir'' ([[SB 1.2.10|SB 1.2.10]]). And when it is the question of ''kāma'', desire, that does not mean sense gratification. ''Lābho jīveta yāvatā''. Simply you have to accept thing for living. It is not that you shall not eat. You eat, live. Then what for living? ''Jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ''. Your working so hard is not that to develop your material condition of life. You live peacefully, without any disturbance of hunger, but your life should be engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, asking about Kṛṣṇa. That is life.

So we don't want to stop all the activities. But they are busy always. They have no time for . . . ask all these men, they are obstructing, "What these people are doing?" You see? There is no end of their sense gratification. First of all, get one motorcar is required, "All right." As soon as he gets money, "I'll purchase another one for my son, another for my daughter, another for my wife." Going on, going on. And he has to maintain four motorcars, then work hard, hard, hard. So ''indriya-prītiḥ'': "Oh, I have got a car. Why not my son?"

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Boy, it's vicious.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Vicious civilization. Simply increasing, increasing, increasing. And the government taking tax; therefore, he has to prepare roads. So in your country, the more the motorcar increasing, the more flying over, more bridges . . .

'''Śyāmasundara:''' More problems.

'''Prabhupāda:''' More problems. Just like in Madras we saw, they are also imitating.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Little, tiny . . . (laughs)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Little ti . . . (chuckles)

'''Devotee (1):''' A little tiny flyover.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, they are advancing.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Only two lanes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And doing it for unlimited years. When they will be finished, there is no guarantee. Here in your country they do, they have contract, "Yes, within six months." But there is no guarantee. But that show is going on that, "We are doing something." Because it's imitation. There was no need, but they want to make advanced like the Americans.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Huge, open intersection, no traffic, they're building a flyover.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Similarly in Bombay also, they made one or two flyovers with great endeavor, and one flyover collapsed. That flyover between that Princesses Street and the Marine Drive, yes, collapsed. Because they are, all the contractors, are thieves. Instead of giving cement, they are giving clay.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Now their plan is to tunnel through under Malabar Hill and make a freeway along the . . . the West Shore Freeway, Expressway, along Warden Road and Nepean Sea Road.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Freeway.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes, and they began the tunnel when we first came there a year and a half ago, and now I don't think it's more than fifty yards into the mountain.

'''Prabhupāda:''' The tunnel is there?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Where?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Just there between . . . as you go up Nepean Sea Road past the Russian Consulate, then there is an open space.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' In there.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Some work is going on there?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes, under there is a tunnel being excavated, under the mountain, under the Hanging Garden Park to the other side. And it will go along Chowpatty Expressway and under the mountain and then along Nepean Sea Road.

'''Devotee (1):''' But it looks like . . . (indistinct) . . . get through that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and don't be misled by these rascals. ''Andhā yathāndair upanīyamānāḥ''. (referring to sitting place) So you have to change this. This is scratching. It is very rough.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes. We need some smooth sheeting here.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Or you can take one my cloth and change.

'''Devotee (1):''' There's a cotton piece. I have one cotton cloth.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. So you got puffed rice?

'''Devotee (1):''' No, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I could not get.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Puffed rice is difficult to obtain. In India, puffed rice is very easily available.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' He says that here they close the stores and the shops. All the time the shops are closed around here.

'''Prabhupāda:''' All the time? Why?

'''Upendra:''' For holidays.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ohhh.

'''Upendra:''' A holiday will come, everything closes down. Four days, five days at a time. Banks, post offices.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Not even a post office open.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ācchā?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Even tomorrow nothing's open.

'''Upendra:''' It's really incredible. It's really a disturbance. Everything closes . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' What kind of government it is?

'''Devotee (1):''' Loafers.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' In India, the government, er, the post office is always open. There's always some post office open. Even in small towns.

'''Prabhupāda:''' But that was also British management. Here also British management, how is that?

'''Upendra:''' In London it's always open.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Upendra:''' In London it's always open, the central post office.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Devotee (1):''' This one shut down. They are eager to stop work and enjoy their senses. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . so that anyone questions, you can answer. That is required, preaching. Just like this girl, "Why you are recommending your ''Bhagavad-gītā''?" Answer must be there, "Because this is. They are all rascals. They are not speaking ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is."

'''Śyāmasundara:''' She understood it also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes. You have no right. Suppose I have written one book. So I have got some intention. So why should you interpret my intention with your intention? What right you have got? You have no right. If you want to speak something of yours, then you write another book. Why you are taking advantage of my book and misleading others?

I want to speak to the public something, I have expressed my opinion in that way. But because it is popular, you are taking advantage of my book and expressing your views. How much cheating, how much cheater you are. That will be Dr . . . therefore he is suffering, Dr. Radhakrishnan. He has lost his brain. We went to see him, Dr. Radhakrishnan, when I was in Madras. You went?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes, like a vegetable, with no comprehension.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Lost.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' At last he's become void.

'''Devotee (1):''' Yes. He surrendered to the void.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Simply sitting down like this. He cannot ask whether he is hungry or not. His daughter is always attending, giving him some food, then he is eating. Otherwise, he does not say. Lost everything. He has mentioned ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as a mental speculation in his Indian Religion. So he is such a great offender, he must suffer. But it is good for him. Because he is a gentleman, therefore his offenses are being compensated in this life.

'''Devotee (1):''' Ohh. So he hasn't got to pay next time.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Next time he may be getting chance. Because he was at heart afraid of God. Because sometimes he was, "Swāmījī, you pray for me to God." Yes. He told me that. At heart he was. But because he is impersonalist and mundane scholar, he was writing all nonsense.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' There's a whole class of scholars now called literary critics who simply take one book, or not even a scripture but any mundane book, and they spend their whole lives making comments what this must mean, what that must mean, "This is my opinion," "This is my thesis."

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām'' ([[SB 7.5.30|SB 7.5.30]]), chewing the chewed.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That really is chewing the chewed.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is chewing the chewed.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' One book called Moby Dick . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is called scholar. "Oh, he is a big scholar."

'''Upendra:''' Is that the ''māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ''?

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ'' ([[BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]]), yes. All nonsense. You take it granted that anyone who has no Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is a nonsense, whatever he may be. That is I take it, and I challenged him like that. I criticized Dr. Radhakrishnan in my ''Back to Godhead'': "Scholar deluded." I was criticizing him like anything.

'''Upendra:''' That was the first ''Bhagavad-gītā'' I read was this one by Radhakrishnan.

'''Prabhupāda:''' I have criticized him like anything, yes.

'''Upendra:''' Then Paramānanda and Satyabhāmā, they brought me this, your ''Bhagavad-gītā''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.

'''Upendra:''' When I first . . . in New York.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Now this Macmillan's report is that ours selling more. Therefore, they have advanced to take up this enlarged edition. Otherwise, they are business. In the beginning they refused. They said: "No, no, we cannot publish so big volume. We can . . . if you minimize . . ." Therefore we minimized it to four hundred pages.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' They made a study. They know what's going . . . they want all of your books. In the contract for ''Topmost Yoga'' and ''Easy Journey'' they have the option to take your next big book.

'''Pradyumna:''' In Harvard Library, your ''Bhagavad-gītā''—they have many, many ''Bhagavad-gītās'', about four hundred, many—and ''Bhagavad-gītā'' ''As It Is'' was taken out, of late, since it's been in there, more than any other ones. They all have dust, and yours has been taken out. And ''Kṛṣṇa'' book, ''Kṛṣṇa'' book was never in. I could never see it in, because it was always out, from the very first day it was in. In fact, when it was going into the library, the head of the department, he took it right away.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Another thing happened in Los Angeles. I wanted some quotation from a place of this ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''. So the man came, he said: "Swāmījī, first of all I must buy this book. Either you accept or not accept our quotation, what price I shall pay you?" I said: "Give me six dollars." Immediately he took this book. "Such a nice book I have never read. So either it is printed or not printed in our press, I must take this book." Actually, these ideas what we have explained in our books, they're unknown to the modern world. Unknown.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' They're not described anywhere else. No other source.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Nobody knows that God can be person, there can be dealings like this, there are dealings actually, and they are described. That is wonderful.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' They don't know that life can be so joyful and endlessly . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' That I wrote in my poetry. "The Absolute is senscient thou hast proved." That was striking to me. Not impersonal, "senscient thou hast proved, impersonal calamity thou hast moved." "Absolute is senscient thou hast proved." That was my acceptance. So even the many judges came in Allahabad. Do you remember?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes. In Madras?

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, Allahabad during Kumbha-melā. They said: "Swāmījī, God is person, you are the first man speaking." Why first man? It is already there. They cannot believe that God is person.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' As long as there is imperson, there is doubt, there is unclear, unclear.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Unclear.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' As soon as there is person, there is no doubt—clear.

'''Prabhupāda:''' But we have tried to explain how He is person. Just like we try to explain how God is working. So one should have brain to study things. One must have clear idea how God is person, how He is working, how this cosmic manifestation is manifested by God's energy. Kṛṣṇa says, ''mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagad avyakta-mūrtinā'' ([[BG 9.4 (1972)|BG 9.4]]): "In My impersonal feature, everything is manifested there." ''Tatam idaṁ sarvam. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam'' ([[ISO 1|ISO 1]]).

So one has to apply his brain—that is intelligence—how it has become person. That is not false; that is fact. You cannot understand; your brain is teeny. That is different thing. Now you make your brain competent to understand this philosophy.

(break) . . . ''vijñātaṁ bhavanti''. So take this philosophy nicely, understand this philosophy, and preach. You will be victorious everywhere. Because we can challenge anyone. If you know the trick, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you can challenge. ''Nārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati'' ([[SB 6.17.28|SB 6.17.28]]). One who is ''nārāyaṇa-parāḥ'', he is never afraid of anything.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Whenever someone challenges you, you always know the trick, what their weak point is, the weaknesses in their challenge, and you go right there. Every time.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And that is the trick of wrestling. (laughter)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Find where they are off balance, their balance is off.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Any way. There was a wrestler, he was not very strong, but he knew the trick how to defeat the strongest man.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' There is a science of equilibrium where you can study another person. If he is off equilibrium, you can move his body in such a way to defeat him every time. Japanese art.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Train. That Los Angeles, there is one Japanese . . .

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Behind the temple. (devotee makes grunting noises imitating martial arts) (laughter)

'''Prabhupāda:''' You know?

'''Upendra:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' What he is teaching?

Several devotees: Karate.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Karate.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That's it, same, that art of striking someone if he is off balance a certain way.

'''Devotee (3):''' Karate is the art of hitting your nerve points. You can paralyze people with it. Just with one finger hitting on a certain nerve junction, you can paralyze a person.

'''Devotee (1):''' They do. They show movies of one man who has killed his nerves in the hand, and a bull will be running like this, and he can put his hand through the bull and grab the heart. They're like that. They show movies like that. They develop like that.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' So much wasted effort. (pause)

'''Prabhupāda:''' You have kept there some other razor?

'''Nanda-kumāra:''' I have put yours back. Yours was in a bag I could not find immediately, so I put another one there, and now I've changed it back again. (break)

'''Upendra:''' . . . at least half of the energy that you have to preach.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Upendra:''' We may develop at least maybe half of your energy to continuously preach someday?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Continuously?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' He says that someday he hopes that the devotees, your disciples, may acquire half of the energy that you have for preaching.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Why not full, or double? You may have doubled.

'''Upendra:''' It's inconceivable.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like my Guru Mahārāja did not travel all over the world, so I have got double energy than him. So you must triple energy, four times energy than me. Then actually disciple. My Godbrothers are envious because they could not do. They could not do even half of Guru Mahārāja's work, and I am doing ten times. So therefore they are envious. So if an ordinary man like me can do ten times, you are Americans (laughs) twenty times, then you are successful.

'''Devotee (1):''' If we can do twenty times, it's only because you gave us the energy.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. My blessings are there, you do it, try. Just like Guru Mahārāja gave blessings to everyone, but if they do not try, if they remain Kuñja Babu, then let him remain Kuñja Babu. What can be done? If he's satisfied only one building in Māyāpur and two buildings in Vṛndāvana, that is his only ambition. The ambition is poor.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Just like Tuṣṭa Kṛṣṇa and his wife, they hitchhiked all the way to Australia.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see.

'''Pradyumna:''' They landed by ship in northern Australia, Perth, where our plane first landed that night.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He is very energetic.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' And they hitchhiked across Australia, 1,500 miles through the desert.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' He said sometimes a car would not come by for many hours, and they would be standing in the hot sun, no trees, anything.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, desert, big desert.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' A huge desert they practically made their way across.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see.

'''Pradyumna:''' He said aborigines live there.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, they may attack.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Kangaroos. They saw some kangaroos. Those animals that jump.

'''Prabhupāda:''' They live in the desert, the kangaroos?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes, semi-desert.

'''Pradyumna:''' There are many strange animals in Australia.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Predators?

'''Pradyumna:''' Just strange. The marsupials.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Those animals that bear their young in a pouch.

'''Pradyumna:''' The pouch here, kangaroo.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is kangaroo.

'''Devotee (1):''' And platypuses.

'''Devotee (4):''' And platypus, the platypus animal.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Half bird, half . . .

'''Devotee (4):''' Half snake.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Under water.

'''Devotee (4):''' Half beaver?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm, snake? Snake?

'''Devotee (1):''' Yeah, it's part . . . it has some snake features, it has webbed feet, it has a duck like a beaver, a body like a . . .

'''Pradyumna:''' A tail like a beaver.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' A bill like a duck.

'''Devotee (1):''' And a tail like a beaver, and a body like a wolverine or something.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So the Vedic literature says 8,400,000.

'''Devotee (1):''' This is all in one.

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is Kṛṣṇa's mercy. If somebody is thinking, "If I had like this, like that, like that, like that," "All right, you will have all." (laughter) Just like Hiraṇyakaśipu wanted to save himself in this way, that . . . "Yes, all are granted," but still he had to die. All granted. So we are trying to take facilities from Kṛṣṇa, beginning from "O God, give us our daily bread," then "Give me motorcar," then "Give me aeroplane," then "Give me this, give me that." "Take all, but you will never be happy unless you surrender to Me. You take all."

This is going on. The modern civilization, they are wanting, "We may have this, we may have that, we may have this, we may have that." "Yes, you take all. But don't talk of happiness, please." That is the only problem. ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]), if you want this. Otherwise, you take whatever you like.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' The devotees, they don't care. They'll go across the desert hitchhiking, but Kṛṣṇa gives them happiness. They're happy.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is happiness. They are going for Kṛṣṇa, that is happiness. They forget the trouble.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes. Today he's gone again. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Don't be doubtful about this at least. You might do or not do, but at least you be convinced that this is the nicest thing we have got. Yes. And there is no comparison.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' No.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' And the more we experience it, the more we become convinced.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' There's . . . (end)

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<div class="code">721110MW-VRNDAVAN - November 10, 1972 - 23:01 Minutes</div>

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'''Guru dāsa:''' Prabhupāda on a morning walk, 10th of November.

'''Devotee:''' (indistinct) . . . in life.

'''Acyutānanda:''' What?

'''Guru dāsa:''' He said he was very bad.

'''Acyutānanda:''' I saw him also. I can see no justification for such cruelty. I do not care to see my two Godbrothers who committed such a crime. I feel that I will not be able to control my anger with them. I feel that they should be asked to leave the society. Whatever your divine grace decides in this matter I accept. (break)

'''Guru dāsa:''' After the incident with Gopal Gosvāmī.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Subal and Rāghavācārya (break) he said (break) he was awake and he had a blanket over his head. Subal. And Subal told him to get up. He stayed up there and was chanting ''japa''. Then Subal threw a bucket of water on him and he just stayed there doing ''japa''. Then he went inside to get some more water and then he . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is not . . . (indistinct) . . . required but he was beaten severe.

'''Acyutānanda:''' I can't imagine . . . (indistinct) . . . threatened him with a knife or something. He could provoke that but I heard . . . (indistinct) . . . going to hit him with a bucket. Gopal was . . . (indistinct) . . . with a bucket.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Acyutānanda:''' And throw him out if he hit him but this is severe.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Acyutānanda:''' This is atrocious.

'''Śrutakīrti:''' That evening he felt justified in what he did.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Hm?

'''Śrutakīrti:''' He said he felt justified in doing it. And then he mentioned your lecture the other night saying that in the Vedic society if someone was attacked like that then he would be killed. he was using this as a ground and he felt justified in attacking him like that. Helping his Godbrother.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yes very warped. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . fight amongst ourselves? Fight with the enemy but not with the Godbrothers . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)

'''Śrutakīrti:''' He doesn't consider him to be a Godbrother but an enemy . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' He has taken the leading part of beating. No?

'''Devotee:''' (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Serious (break) Gosāi he is also paralysed.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yes (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh? That means he has left the hospital?

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is . . . (indistinct) . . . he has left the hospital. But where is his . . . (indistinct)

'''Acyutānanda:''' Well (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' But if it was a very serious case how he has left hospital? The police came to enquire about him, that means hospital let him go.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yeah.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He gave this knife to the police.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yes everything if he is reporting all these things to the police . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' (break) By the evening . . . he has left the hospital . . .

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . by the evening. (break)

'''Acyutānanda:''' Unusual why he would . . . (indistinct) . . . he said something about the 21 to Aligarh.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah.

'''Acyutānanda:''' That didn't, it got translated I think in Hindi.

'''Devotee:''' He attacks them with his words, calls them all caste Gosvāmīs and Māyāvādīs so he didn't bother.

'''Acyutānanda:''' (indistinct) . . . interesting?

'''Devotee:''' I have no idea . . . (indistinct)

(indistinct talking) (break)

'''Guru dāsa:''' There's many students they don't know how to extract intelligently what to say. For instance the day before this incident I said to Viṣṇujana, you are speaking about becoming like fire. If the ''guru vaisnavas'' in any way attack, so that was the grounds.

Similarly when Sudāmā Vipra came back from . . . when Mahārāja came back from Aligarh you didn't discourage him. So they thought that perhaps they could always attack as a general rule. So Godbrothers have said Śrīla Prabhupāda sometimes appears angry? So I said so he also sometimes appears compassionate, why do you forget that nature? (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' These fools they do not understand. (break) . . . by the Vaiṣṇavas that's a fact but one must know how to attack and when to attack. I also attack against the Māyāvādīs. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also attacked, my Guru Mahārāja also attacked. So attack must be done very intelligently. Don't go to . . .

'''Guru dāsa:''' Mahāprabhu listened for seven days? (break) then He knew how to attack.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (break) . . . that many Indians also joined with you and combinedly the preaching will go on. But somehow or other it is experienced that Indians will not . . . join with you or circumstances will not allow them to join. In India if you try to preach without Indian cooperation it will not support. Because they will always criticise that these people have come to teach us and they will never perform. This is the position.

And the present circumstances . . . (indistinct) . . . that you cannot join . . . (indistinct) . . . that Rādhā-ramaṇa Gosvāmī . . . (indistinct) . . . that . . . (indistinct) . . . left and so on. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . to join . . . (indistinct) . . . so abominable so nobody will join. On the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness everyone will some join and work. That is a little difficult. The temple here if no Indians join then they will go away . . . (indistinct) . . . gradually Indians will be preachers. Unless you very carefully and intelligently, it will be failure. (break) the Indians and the Americans keep themselves in the bodily concept of life . . . (indistinct) . . . means . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)

'''Devotee:''' (indistinct) . . . (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh? . . . (indistinct) . . . ten ''lakhs''. Ten ''lakhs'' bluffing means 8% interest at the present moment banking business. That means 80,000 per year, or 7,000 nearly 10,000 per month. If we draw, suppose we 10,000 ''lakhs'' . . . 10 ''lakhs''.

'''Acyutānanda:''' 10 lakhs.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That means we are losing 7,000 per month. If you transaction 7,000 per month is that . . . (indistinct) . . . why should we draw so much? If we draw big amount there will be income.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' In Vṛndāvana we have no preaching scope . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. No we wanted to receive some foreign guests so that they could see and our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement to have no branch in Vṛndāvana that does not look very good. Kṛṣṇa's place . . .

'''Śyāmasundara:''' (indistinct) . . . one reason that is the foreign tourists. They have a regular programme of foreign tourists coming. That hasn't happened yet.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hm?

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That has not yet happened.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' But in future it could happen and they would be five years ahead of our . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . here the government is . . . (indistinct) . . . people do not like . . . (indistinct) . . . because you are there with Caitya Guru not very able but he stands for . . . (indistinct)

(break) That is the problem. I want to make a center but you do not like. Always there will be . . . so we must finish it that another attempt for Bharatpur I don't think we can manage.

(break) will be available so you should not mind but that is not also possible because Mahārāja is bargaining. It's not easy there, so why should we take care . . . (indistinct)

'''Acyutānanda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

'''Acyutānanda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' We will come there someday.

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Eh?

'''Acyutānanda:''' Someday.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Someday (laughs) . . . (indistinct) . . . utopian, someday. That Mahārāja is more intelligent than you could have understand.

'''Acyutānanda:''' Yeah. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . (break)

'''Pañca-draviḍa:''' Lot of Germans. Or at least a percentage of Germans 40, 50%. But here we have centres that are already having 15 or 20 Western people. So the image is there are already if they are a Western organisation. So even in Europe we tend to attract more Americans than European people. Like in Germany we will attract more Americans than we will Germans, initially. But after a while the Germans come but usually the best success as far as attracting people seems to be when there is only two or three people left in the whole city. But when you have a large number of Americans (break)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' I have noticed the most we've been travelling around the world, that in India the spiritual standard of the devotees is lower than in America part of the reason has been that the ''sannyāsīs'' who are supposed to be leaders of devotees have misunderstood that what their real duty is in India, in America we told them that the ''sannyāsīs'' duty is to maintain the highest spiritual standards among the devotees. They should always see to the devotees spiritual well-being and welfare. And here it seems to be the tendency that the ''sannyāsīs'' remain separate or aloof from the devotees.

You summed it up in four words to Satsvarūpa when you said: "Just do as I am doing." Now that means administrating managing going to the bank, counting money, keeping accounts. Doing all the practical work as well but here for instance in a test case this Keśī Ghat temple. There was practically chaos there day and night there was no spiritual standards at all and the ''sannyāsīs'' seemed to remain aloof. They didn't enter into the actual managing or administrating of the temple or organising it and as a result there was chaos throughout the town we made such a bad image.

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Devotee:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' Because we have no spiritual standards.

'''Acyutānanda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' No. I know I observed saw there was no standard or organisation. Not as we have in other places . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Anyway, . . . (indistinct) . . . to say. ''Sannyāsīs'' should be leader.

'''Acyutānanda:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Śyāmasundara:''' That's a fact.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

'''Pañca-draviḍa:''' In other parts of the world the ''sannyāsīs'' may be accepted as leaders before . . . the other devotees there are new and they look to the ''sannyāsīs'' for guidance because they are the senior most members in that particular area who are not often enough present there so they have no one else to look to. (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes ''sannyāsīs'' should take leadership and see that everything is nicely going on. That will be wanted. Actually ''sannyāsīs'' are topmost leaders they should see that they are chanting 16 rounds, rising early in the morning and they should also rise early, behave like that and if there is any discrepancy it should not be ended by fighting. If there is any discrepancy there should be very peaceful settlement. Not that because this man . . . (indistinct) . . . pain, let us fight . . . (indistinct) . . . beating justified. Somebody has told me the beating was justified . . . (indistinct)

'''Pañca-draviḍa:''' He beat that boy because that boy was physically attacking me to hurt me. If he did not stop him, I would have been seriously hurt, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that's all right. You could check. So why you are. . . If there is any misunderstanding, let us sit down. What is being said? That check. Not that because he is coming I shall not do this. Then where is my defense? I can check him, that’s all right. Not that I will also become demon-like. First of all Krsna wanted to stop the fighting between Kurus, and when there was no ways to stop their fighting, then war was.

We can call to the police (indistinct). We should be very careful. But Caitanya (break) ''sannyāsīra alpa chidra bāhu kori mane'' ([[CC Madhya 12.51]]). If a ''sannyāsī'' commits something wrong, it is magnified. If ordinary man does it, nobody cares. But a ''sannyāsī'', Vaiṣṇava ''sannyāsī'', a preacher, if he commits something even it is not wrong, it will be magnified as a big wrong. ''Alpa chidra bāhu kori mane''. (indistinct)

Therefore especially a ''sannyāsī'' because a ''sannyāsī'' is supposed to be the ''guru'', the teacher of everyone, even of the ''brāhmins''. So how much qualified they should be. Super-most post in the human society according to Vedic principle. Any ''sannyāsī'' you should immediately offer obeisances. If he does not do so, then he has to starve one day, fast. That is the penance, he has not offered. You have seen? As soon as you have seen, known or unknown, you should offer obeisances to a ''sannyāsī''. That is Vedic culture. And they should see that things anywhere are going very nicely. (end)

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Guru dāsa: Prabhupāda on a morning walk, 10th of November.

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . interest in life.

Prabhupāda: Accha?

Guru dāsa: He said he was very bad.

Acyutānanda: I saw him also. I can see no justification for such cruelty. I do not care to see my two Godbrothers who committed such a crime. I feel that they are not . . . I will not be able to control my anger with them. I feel that they should be asked to leave the Society. Whatever your divine grace decides in this matter I accept. (break)

Guru dāsa: After the incident with Gopal Gosvāmī.

Prabhupāda: Subal and Yadavācārya.

Acyutānanda: Subal and Yadavācārya? (break) He said (break) he was awake and he had a blanket over his head, Gopal. And Subal told him to get up. He stayed there and he was chanting japa. Then Subal threw a bucket of water on him and he still stayed there while he finished his japa. Then he went inside to just get away from the water and they beat him.

Prabhupāda: That is not the story, they say it was different. But he was beaten, severe?

Acyutānanda: I can't imagine (break). If he was being . . . if he threatened them with a knife or something, it could provoke that. But I heard someone say he was going to hit them with a bucket? Gopal was going to hit them all with a bucket?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Acyutānanda: Still, you could throw him out or you could hit him, but this was severe.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Acyutānanda: This was atrocious.

Śrutakīrti: (break) . . . that evening that he felt justified in what he did.

Acyutānanda: Hm?

Śrutakīrti: He said (break) he felt justified in doing it. And then he mentioned your lecture the other night saying that in the Vedic society if someone was attacked like that, that he would be killed. He was using this as his grounds, saying he felt justified in attacking him like that. He was helping his Godbrother.

Acyutānanda: Yes, very warped.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . fight amongst ourselves? Fight with the enemy but not with the Godbrothers. (break) (indistinct)

Śrutakīrti: He does not consider him to be a Godbrother but an enemy.

Prabhupāda: (break) This Yadavācārya, he has taken the leading part of beating? No.

Devotee: (indistinct) Gopal told me both of them.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . serious. (break) . . . Gosāi, he is also (indistinct).

Acyutānanda: Yes. (break)

Prabhupāda: Eh? That means he has left the hospital?

Acyutānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: So where is the serious? If he has left the hospital, then where is the
serious?

Acyutānanda: Well . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: But if it was a very serious case, how he left hospital? When the police came to enquire about him, that means hospital let him go out?

Acyutānanda: Yeah.

Prabhupāda: Then he was just lying in the police.

Acyutānanda: Yes, everything. If he is reporting all these things to the police, that’s nonsense.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . by the evening , that is not . . . If he has left the hospital . . .

Acyutānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: . . . by the evening, that is not . . . (break)

Acyutānanda: It’s usually his way to . . . (indistinct). You said that about when he went to Aligarh . . .

Prabhupāda: Ah.

Acyutānanda: That they didn't . . . they stopped translating his speech in Hindi.

Devotee: He attacks them. He attacks them with his words, calls them all caste Gosvāmīs and Māyāvādīs. So we didn't want.

Acyutānanda: Did you let him speak?

Devotee: He was the only sannyāsī there. (indistinct talking) (break)

Guru dāsa: There’s many students don't know how to extract intelligently what you say. For instance, the day before this incident, at Seth Bisanchand’s you were speaking about becoming like fire if the guru Vaiṣṇava is in any way attacked. So that was their grounds. Similarly, when Sudāmā Vipra came back from . . . when Mahārāja came back from Aligarh, you didn't discourage them. So they thought that perhaps they could always attack as a general rule. So (break) Godbrothers have said, “Well, Śrīla Prabhupāda sometimes appears angry.” So I said, “But he also sometimes appears compassionate. Why do you forget that nature?” (break)

Prabhupāda: Dealing with these fools they do not understand. (break) . . . by the Vaiṣṇavas, that's a fact. But one must know how to attack and when to attack. I also speak against the Māyāvādīs. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also attacked, my Guru Mahārāja also attacked. So attack must be done very intelligently. Don't go so (indistinct)

Guru dāsa: Mahāprabhu listened for seven days, and then He knew how to attack.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . thought that many Indians also will join with you and combinedly preaching will go on. But somehow or other it is experience that Indians will not join . . . (break) . . . join with you, or circumstances will not allow them to join. In India if you try to preach without Indian cooperation, it will not be successful. Because they will always criticize that these people have come to teach us and they will never follow us. This is the position. And the present circumstances . . . (indistinct) . . . that you cannot join, he was teaching this. That Rādhā-ramaṇa Gosvāmī went away, that Nityananda left and so on. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . wanted to join, the Vrndavana Gosai, but the (indistinct) has been so abominable, so nobody will join. That on the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness everyone will conjointly work for Kṛṣṇa, that is a little difficult. The temple here if no Indians join,
then they will say, “Oh, this is American temple.” Gradually Indians will (indistinct). Unless you very tactfully and intelligently dealing, it will be a failure. (break) the Indians and the Americans keep themselves in the bodily concept of life. . . . (indistinct) . . . life means . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: Eh? . . . (indistinct) . . . ten lakhs. Ten lakhs blocking means 8% interest at the present moment, banking interest. That means 80,000 per year, or 7,000 nearly or 10,000 per month. If we block, suppose we 10,000 lakhs . . . 10 lakhs.

Acyutānanda: 10 lakhs.

Prabhupāda: That means we are losing 7,000 per month. If you transact 7,000 per month, that is more sense. Why should we block so much? If we block big amount,
where will be income?

Śyāmasundara: In Vṛndāvana we have no preaching scope.

Prabhupāda: No. We wanted to receive some foreign guests so that they can see, and our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement if we have no branch in Vṛndāvana that does not look very good. Kṛṣṇa's place.

Śyāmasundara: This . . . (indistinct) . . . for one reason, that it is for the foreign tourists if you had a regular program of foreign tourists coming, but that hasn't happened yet.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Śyāmasundara: That has not yet happened.

Prabhupāda: Ah.

Śyāmasundara: But in future if it did happen, that would be . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . here the government is. These people do not like intruders. Because he was there, that Caitya Guru, he was very able. But he has
transferred from there. (break) That is the problem. I wanted him to stay there, but he did not like. Always there will be agitation. So we must finish it that another attempt for Bharatpur, I don't think we can manage. (break) will be available so you should not mind. But that is not also possible because
Mahārāja is bargaining. (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: . . . (indistinct) . . . turn it into a big hotel.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: . . . (indistinct) Turn it into a hotel.

Prabhupāda: Who will come there?

Śyāmasundara: Someday.

Prabhupāda: Someday there will be. (laughs) Utopian, someday. That Mahārāja is more intelligent than you could have understand.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah. (break)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . (break)

Pañca-draviḍa: Lot of Germans. Or at least a percentage of Germans 40, 50%. But here we have centers that are already having 15, 20 Western people. So the image is there already that they are a Western organization. So even in Europe we tend to attract more Americans than European people. Like in Germany we will attract more Americans than we will Germans, initially. But after a while the Germans come, but usually the best success as far as attracting people seems to be when there is only two or three people left in the whole city. But when you have a large number of Americans . . . (break)

Śyāmasundara: I have noticed the most since we've been traveling around the world that in India the spiritual standard of the devotees is lower than America’s, and I think part of the reason has been that the sannyāsīs, who are supposed to be leaders of the devotees, have misunderstood what their real duty is in India, the sannyāsīs who have been stationed here. In America, you told them that the sannyāsī’s duty is to maintain the highest spiritual standards among the devotees. They should always see to the devotees’ spiritual well-being and welfare. And here it seems to be the tendency that the sannyāsīs remain separate or aloof from the devotees. You summed it up in four words to Satsvarūpa when you said: "Just do as I am doing." Now, that means administrating, managing, going to the bank, counting money, keeping accounts, doing all the practical work as well. But here, for instance, in a test case, this Keśī Ghat temple, there was practically chaos there day and night. There was no spiritual standard at all, and the sannyāsīs seemed to remain aloof. They didn't enter into the actual managing or administrating of the temple or organizing it, and as a result there was chaos throughout the town. We made such a bad image because we have no . . .

Prabhupāda: That should be . . .

Acyutānanda: There was no chaos in the town.

Śyāmasundara: We have no spiritual standards.

Acyutānanda: (indistinct) I said anything, Malati (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: No. I know what I observed, and I saw that there was no standard of organization, not as we have in our other places around the world.

Prabhupāda: Anyway, indirectly what did she say. Sannyāsīs should be leader.

Acyutānanda: Yes. And actually, nobody likes those services (indistinct).

Devotee: That's the fact.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Pañca-draviḍa: In other parts of the world, the sannyāsīs may be accepted as leaders because the other devotees there are new and they look to he sannyāsīs for guidance because they are the senior-most members in that particular area. You are often not present there, so they have no one else to look to.
Prabhupāda: Yes, sannyāsīs should take leadership and see that everything is nicely going on. That will be wanted. Actually sannyāsīs are topmost leaders. They should see that they are chanting 16 rounds, they are rising early in the morning, and they should also themselves behave like that. And if there is any discrepancy, it should not be ended by fighting. Even there is discrepancy, there should be very peaceful settlement. Not that because this man is not obeying, let us fight. (indistinct) beating justified? Somebody has told the beating was justified. What is his name, Yadavācārya?

CC Madhya 17.219 (1975)

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==== TEXT 219 ====

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:prabhure mūrcchita dekhi' sei ta brāhmaṇa
:bhaṭṭācārya-saṅge kare prabhura santarpaṇa
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==== SYNONYMS ====

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prabhure—Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; mūrcchita—unconscious; dekhi'-seeing; sei ta brāhmaṇa—indeed that brāhmaṇa; bhaṭṭācārya-saṅge—with Bhaṭṭācārya; kare—does; prabhura—of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu; santarpaṇa—taking care.
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==== TRANSLATION ====

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When the brāhmaṇa saw that Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu was unconscious, he and Balabhadra Bhaṭṭācārya took care of Him.
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'''[[BG 6.1 (1972)]]:''' The Blessed Lord said: One who is unattached to the fruits of his work and who works as he is obligated is in the renounced order of life, and he is the true mystic: not he who lights no fire and performs no work.

'''[[BG 6.2 (1972)]]:''' What is called renunciation is the same as yoga, or linking oneself with the Supreme, for no one can become a yogī unless he renounces the desire for sense gratification.

'''[[BG 6.3 (1972)]]:''' For one who is a neophyte in the eightfold yoga system, work is said to be the means; and for one who has already attained to yoga, cessation of all material activities is said to be the means.

'''[[BG 6.4 (1972)]]:''' A person is said to have attained to yoga when, having renounced all material desires, he neither acts for sense gratification nor engages in fruitive activities.

'''[[BG 6.5 (1972)]]:''' A man must elevate himself by his own mind, not degrade himself. The mind is the friend of the conditioned soul, and his enemy as well.

'''[[BG 6.6 (1972)]]:''' For him who has conquered the mind, the mind is the best of friends; but for one who has failed to do so, his very mind will be the greatest enemy.

'''[[BG 6.7 (1972)]]:''' For one who has conquered the mind, the Supersoul is already reached, for he has attained tranquility. To such a man happiness and distress, heat and cold, honor and dishonor are all the same.

'''[[BG 6.8 (1972)]]:''' A person is said to be established in self-realization and is called a yogī [or mystic] when he is fully satisfied by virtue of acquired knowledge and realization. Such a person is situated in transcendence and is self-controlled. He sees everything-whether it be pebbles, stones or gold-as the same.

'''[[BG 6.9 (1972)]]:''' A person is said to be still further advanced when he regards all—the honest well-wisher, friends and enemies, the envious, the pious, the sinner and those who are indifferent and impartial-with an equal mind.

'''[[BG 6.10 (1972)]]:''' A transcendentalist should always try to concentrate his mind on the Supreme Self; he should live alone in a secluded place and should always carefully control his mind. He should be free from desires and feelings of possessiveness.

'''[[BG 6.11-12 (1972)]]:''' To practice yoga, one should go to a secluded place and should lay kuśa-grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth. The seat should neither be too high nor too low and should be situated in a sacred place. The yogī should then sit on it very firmly and should practice yoga by controlling the mind and the senses, purifying the heart and fixing the mind on one point.

'''[[BG 6.13-14 (1972)]]:''' One should hold one's body, neck and head erect in a straight line and stare steadily at the tip of the nose. Thus with an unagitated, subdued mind, devoid of fear, completely free from sex life, one should meditate upon Me within the heart and make Me the ultimate goal of life.

'''[[BG 6.15 (1972)]]:''' Thus practicing control of the body, mind and activities, the mystic transcendentalist attains to the kingdom of God [or the abode of Kṛṣṇa] by cessation of material existence.

'''[[BG 6.16 (1972)]]:''' There is no possibility of one's becoming a yogī, O Arjuna, if one eats too much, or eats too little, sleeps too much or does not sleep enough.

'''[[BG 6.17 (1972)]]:''' He who is temperate in his habits of eating, sleeping, working and recreation can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system.

'''[[BG 6.18 (1972)]]:''' When the yogī, by practice of yoga, disciplines his mental activities and becomes situated in Transcendence-devoid of all material desires-he is said to have attained yoga.

'''[[BG 6.19 (1972)]]:''' As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the transcendent Self.

'''[[BG 6.20-23 (1972)]]:''' The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.

'''[[BG 6.24 (1972)]]:''' One should engage oneself in the practice of yoga with undeviating determination and faith. One should abandon, without exception, all material desires born of false ego and thus control all the senses on all sides by the mind.

'''[[BG 6.25 (1972)]]:''' Gradually, step by step, with full conviction, one should become situated in trance by means of intelligence, and thus the mind should be fixed on the Self alone and should think of nothing else.

'''[[BG 6.26 (1972)]]:''' From whatever and wherever the mind wanders due to its flickering and unsteady nature, one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back under the control of the Self.

'''[[BG 6.27 (1972)]]:''' The yogī whose mind is fixed on Me verily attains the highest happiness. By virtue of his identity with Brahman, he is liberated; his mind is peaceful, his passions are quieted, and he is freed from sin.

'''[[BG 6.28 (1972)]]:''' Steady in the Self, being freed from all material contamination, the yogī achieves the highest perfectional stage of happiness in touch with the Supreme Consciousness.

'''[[BG 6.29 (1972)]]:''' A true yogī observes Me in all beings, and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.

'''[[BG 6.30 (1972)]]:''' For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me.

'''[[BG 6.31 (1972)]]:''' The yogī who knows that I and the Supersoul within all creatures are one worships Me and remains always in Me in all circumstances.

'''[[BG 6.32 (1972)]]:''' He is a perfect yogī who, by comparison to his own self, sees the true equality of all beings, both in their happiness and distress, O Arjuna!

'''[[BG 6.33 (1972)]]:''' Arjuna said: O Madhusūdana, the system of yoga which you have summarized appears impractical and unendurable to me, for the mind is restless and unsteady.

'''[[BG 6.34 (1972)]]:''' For the mind is restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, O Kṛṣṇa, and to subdue it is, it seems to me, more difficult than controlling the wind.

'''[[BG 6.35 (1972)]]:''' The Blessed Lord said: O mighty-armed son of Kuntī, it is undoubtedly very difficult to curb the restless mind, but it is possible by constant practice and by detachment.

'''[[BG 6.36 (1972)]]:''' For one whose mind is unbridled, self-realization is difficult work. But he whose mind is controlled and who strives by right means is assured of success. That is My opinion.

'''[[BG 6.37 (1972)]]:''' Arjuna said: What is the destination of the man of faith who does not persevere, who in the beginning takes to the process of self-realization but who later desists due to worldly-mindedness and thus does not attain perfection in mysticism?

'''[[BG 6.38 (1972)]]:''' O mighty-armed Kṛṣṇa, does not such a man, being deviated from the path of Transcendence, perish like a riven cloud, with no position in any sphere?

'''[[BG 6.39 (1972)]]:''' This is my doubt O Kṛṣṇa, and I ask You to dispel it completely. But for Yourself, no one is to be found who can destroy this doubt.

'''[[BG 6.40 (1972)]]:''' The Blessed Lord said: Son of Pṛthā, a transcendentalist engaged in auspicious activities does not meet with destruction either in this world or in the spiritual world; one who does good, My friend, is never overcome by evil.

'''[[BG 6.41 (1972)]]:''' The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.

'''[[BG 6.42 (1972)]]:''' Or he takes his birth in a family of transcendentalists who are surely great in wisdom. Verily, such a birth is rare in this world.

'''[[BG 6.43 (1972)]]:''' On taking such a birth, he again revives the divine consciousness of his previous life, and he tries to make further progress in order to achieve complete success, O son of Kuru.

'''[[BG 6.44 (1972)]]:''' By virtue of the divine consciousness of his previous life, he automatically becomes attracted to the yogic principles-even without seeking them. Such an inquisitive transcendentalist, striving for yoga, stands always above the ritualistic principles of the scriptures.

'''[[BG 6.45 (1972)]]:''' But when the yogī engages himself with sincere endeavor in making further progress, being washed of all contaminations, then ultimately, after many, many births of practice, he attains the supreme goal.

'''[[BG 6.46 (1972)]]:''' A yogī is greater than the ascetic, greater than the empiricist and greater than the fruitive worker. Therefore, O Arjuna, in all circumstances, be a yogī.

'''[[BG 6.47 (1972)]]:''' And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.

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'''Prabhupāda:''' But we are so . . . (aside) You can keep it there now. Keep.

So we do not believe in these things, that there is Bhagavān, and Bhagavān comes, He has got a mission. Do you believe in these things? Frankly speaking, do you believe in these things?

'''Mr. Raju:''' We do. We do believe. We feel it also in our body.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Then you must act according to His mission. According to His mission. The mission is, ''yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata'' ([[BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]). When we are engaged in ''glānir dharma'', which is not ''dharma''—cheating. ''Glānir'', ''glānir''. What is the ''glānir''?

'''Mr. Raju:''' Hatred. Hatred.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. ''Glānir'' means which is abominable.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Abominable.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. ''Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati'' ([[BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]). So what is that ''glānir''? ''Glānir'' means . . . ''dharma'' means ''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam'' ([[SB 6.3.19|SB 6.3.19]]). In the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', there is . . . Yamarāja said, ''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam''. ''Dharma'' cannot be manufactured by any man. (aside) You have got Sixth Canto?

'''Harikeśa:''' Sixth Canto, Third Chapter, nineteenth verse.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, find this verse. Yamarāja said, ''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam''. Even the demigods, they cannot manufacture ''dharma''.

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ''
:''na vai vidur ṛṣayo nāpi devāḥ''
:''na siddha-mukhyā asurā manuṣyāḥ''
:''kuto nu vidyādhara-cāraṇādayaḥ''
:([[SB 6.3.19|SB 6.3.19]])

"Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ''ṛṣis'' who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the ''asuras'', ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas."

'''Prabhupāda:''' Nobody can. This is the principle. So when so many rascal ''dharma'' is introduced, that is ''dharmasya glāniḥ.'' So we must know this. Then we can understand what is the mission of Bhagavān. When rascals are introducing so-called so many ''dharmas'', that is ''dharmasya glāniḥ''. Do you accept or not?

'''Mr. Raju:''' Yes, we accept.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore, Bhagavān concludes at the end, "You rascal, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]])." This is ''dharma''. To surrender to the Lord, that is ''dharma''. And in another place, ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', ''sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.2.6|SB 1.2.6]]). Without this, all cheating. If there is no ''bhakti'', surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, all these kind of ''dharmas'', they're all cheating. Therefore in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' it is said, ''dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra'' ([[SB 1.1.2|SB 1.1.2]]). On this, Śrīdhara Svāmī has commented, ''atra mokṣa vañca api nirastam''. ''Dharma artha kāma mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]],[[CC Adi 1.90 |CC Ādi 1.90]]). So according to this principle, they're all cheating. So-called religious system, ''artha'', economic development, sense gratification. Just like that we have created so many social ''dharma'': ''saṁsāra-dharma'', ''gṛhastha-dharma'', this ''dharma'', that ''dharma''. So in that way, they're all cheating. Therefore, our request is that ''yajñārthe karmaṇaḥ anyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ'' ([[BG 3.9 (1972)|BG 3.9]]). In the Bālajī's temple, mostly poor cultivators, I have seen, they go. And they want to give something to the Lord. ''Yajñārthe''. So the ''karmīs'', they're advised, ''yat karoṣi kuruṣva tad mad arpaṇam'', "Give Me." So these ''karmīs'', somehow or other, by their great fortune they're giving something to the Lord. ''Yajñārthe''. (someone enters) ''Aiye''. That money should not be utilized for any other purpose. That is our mission. It must be utilized for the purpose to fulfill the mission of the Lord. Mission of the Lord is ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]): how people can be trained up to give up all these nonsensical type of dharma, and how to become a devotee of Lord. For this purpose this money should be spent. Then it will be all right.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Mostly it is utilized for that. Almost completely. Only one or two is mere, what is called, charity. The industry . . . there's been a wrong impression that we are working directly with industry.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. That is . . . it should be utilized simply for the purpose of awakening the devotional, what is called, inspiration. For no other purpose. Just like in the ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta'' it is said, ''nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti''. ''Kṛṣṇa-bhakti'', ''nitya-siddha''. This is our natural. Just like these Europeans and Americans, they have become ''kṛṣṇa-bhaktas''. So what business they had to do with Kṛṣṇa? They're coming from Christian family, Jewish families, or some of them Muhammadan family. So what they have got to do with Kṛṣṇa? They haven't got to do anything with Kṛṣṇa. So how they have become a ''kṛṣṇa-bhakta''? Even the . . . just like he is coming from Parsi family, he is coming from Jewish family, he is coming from Christian family, he is coming from Europe, he is coming from America. So what they have got to do with Kṛṣṇa? We Indians, or Hindus, we may have some concern with Kṛṣṇa, but what they have got? They haven't got anything to do with Kṛṣṇa. Now you pay them one ''lakh'' of rupees and ask them, "You become again Christian. You become again Parsi." Just see. Make them again Christian. Practical. These are young boys. You ask them that, "I'll give you good girl, I'll give you good money. You give up this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, come here." Ask them. Make a test. They'll refuse, they'll kick out. How they have become? Therefore it is a fact, as it is stated in the ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta'', ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti nitya-siddha''. Everyone has got ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti'' eternally. It is not artificial. They have not become ''kṛṣṇa-bhakta'' artificially. It is the eternal link that has been awakened.

'''Mr. Raju:''' There's no doubt of that, Swāmījī. Let us say there are hundred leprosy patients. There are one thousand orphans. We put them there, give them food, and make them pray to Kṛṣṇa . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, you are . . . they are mistaken. But if you have to awaken ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti'', why you go to the lepers?

'''Mr. Raju:''' No, they have come here. They are all there in the temple. They are not allowing others to pray properly. They are all, one thousand . . . in the past . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' We have no objection, that . . . because our principle is ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti nitya-siddha''. So ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti'' is there in everyone. So leper or non-leper. Just like our Vivekananda, he took up ''daridra-nārāyaṇa''. This is an absurd proposition. Nārāyaṇa is never ''daridra''. But if you put this argument, that Nārāyaṇa is everywhere, so if Nārāyaṇa is everywhere, why you take up only ''daridra-nārāyaṇa''? Why not ''dhanī-nārāyaṇa'' also? If you have got so broad vision that Nārāyaṇa is everywhere, therefore we see everyone, so why you particularly take the ''daridra-nārāyaṇa''? Similarly, ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti'' is everywhere. It is in the leper or non-leper. So why should we take particularly the leper? So that is outwardly a social service, that they are taking care of the leper. So if that vision, it will not be right. ''Kṛṣṇa-bhakti'' even requires . . . even a ''karmī'' like big, big owner of factories, he's more diseased than the leper, because he has no ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti''. So we have to take care of the leper and the richest man also if he has no ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti''.

'''Mr. Raju:''' That also. That also.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, therefore we should not make any distinction that only the lepers will be taken care of.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Again, let's say a rich man or somebody comes, prays . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Everyone is more than leper.

'''Mr. Raju:''' He takes ''prasāda'' in the temple, he goes. But this man is not allowed. He can't come. Therefore God goes to him.

'''Prabhupāda:''' We have to take . . . you cannot manufacture where God goes. You should have to take lesson from God. That is one thing. If we manufacture ideas, that will never be successful. That will never be successful. Don't manufacture ideas. If you want to be servant of God, you must take instruction from God. That is wanted. You cannot manufacture idea, that "God wants this." So first of all try to understand what is God's mission. God's mission is, it is clearly said, ''yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati'' ([[BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]). So, more or less, everyone is entangled with this ''glānir dharma''. They have manufactured. Just like the demigod worship. This is a ''glānir dharma''. Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). And Kṛṣṇa clearly says, ''kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya-devatāḥ'' ([[BG 7.20 (1972)|BG 7.20]]).

So if you want to utilize, people are giving in good faith, Bālajī, Kṛṣṇa, their hard-earned money, whatever we are giving something. ''Yajña'', that is wanted. ''Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ'' ([[BG 3.9 (1972)|BG 3.9]]). That money should not be utilized for any other purpose except ''yajña''. First of all, you have to decide like that. Then we can give you direction. First of all, you have to decide that this money, not a single farthing should be spent for any other purpose than performing ''yajña''. Then we can give you right direction. And if you have plan to utilize this money for any other purpose, that is not Kṛṣṇa's mission; that is your mission. So first of all you have to decide whether you are going to execute Kṛṣṇa's mission or your mission. Kṛṣṇa's mission is very clearly defined. It is there. Everything is declared there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. We can do it very nicely. But if you want to do any other mission, then you can do. You are government, you are in power, you can do that. But that will not be pleasing to Kṛṣṇa. He has got a mission. That is stated: ''dharmasya glānir bhavati''. So any ''dharma'', so-called ''dharma'', which does not awaken their Kṛṣṇa consciousness is ''glāniḥ''. Kṛṣṇa does not want that. If you're against the will of Kṛṣṇa, against the mission of Kṛṣṇa, if you want to do something, you can do it. People are doing so many things. That is also mentioned by Kṛṣṇa.

'''Harikeśa:''' ''Iti te jñānam'' . . . ([[BG 18.63 (1972)|BG 18.63]]).

'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That one verse is that one does not . . . Kṛṣṇa's mission is that, "Surrender unto Me." Now, who does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa? That is stated by Kṛṣṇa:

:''na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ''
:''prapadyante narādhamāḥ''
:''māyayāpahṛta-jñānā''
:''āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ''
:([[BG 7.15 (1972)|BG 7.15]])

Anyone who does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa, he must be grouped either ''duṣkṛtina'', ''mūḍha'', ''narādhama'', ''māyayāpahṛta-jñāna'', ''āsuraṁ bhāvam''. We do that. Anyone who does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa, he must be grouped among them. And for them, what is their . . . ''tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān kṣipāmy ajasram''. (aside) Find out this verse, ''tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān'' . . . if anyone is envious of Kṛṣṇa, then what is his punishment?

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān''
:''saṁsāreṣu narādhamān''
:''kṣipāmy ajasram aśubhān''
:''āsurīṣv eva yoniṣu''
:([[BG 16.19 (1972)|BG 16.19]])

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is their punishment.

'''Harikeśa:''' "Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, are cast by Me into the ocean of material existence into various demoniac species of life."

'''Prabhupāda:''' And next verse?

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''āsurīṁ yonim āpannā''
:''mūḍhā janmani janmani
:''mām aprāpyaiva kaunteya''
:''tato yānty adhamāṁ gatim''
:([[BG 16.20 (1972)|BG 16.20]])

"Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence."

'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is my request, that our money . . . there is nothing "Our money", everything Kṛṣṇa's. But we are thinking, because we are asuric. So ''asuras'' think like that. Just like Kaṁsa, Hiraṇyakaśipu: "Hah!" Rāvaṇa: "Hah! What is Rāma?" That is asura's. They think like that, and that is asuric. But otherwise, ''īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam'' ([[ISO 1|ISO 1]]). Everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa. Therefore ''yajña'' is advised. The sooner you hand over Kṛṣṇa's property to Kṛṣṇa, it is good for you.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Swāmījī, we are ''karma-yogīs''. We start the day with surrendering to God and asking Him to show us the way. Beyond that, I don't know what our duty . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' But a ''karma-yogī'', why you should take Kṛṣṇa's money for karma?

'''Mr. Raju:''' For what? . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . that is for . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the . . .

'''Mr. Raju:''' It is not used. As you have correctly said, that way only it is used. There may be different . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, the first thing is that if you decide that Kṛṣṇa's money should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa's mission, so Kṛṣṇa's mission is this, that ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). You have to bring them to the sense of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And there is a process. You cannot manufacture that process. You have to take the process from Kṛṣṇa. That Kṛṣṇa says: ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)|BG 18.65]]). Four things. You have to teach people how he can think of Kṛṣṇa, ''man-manā''. Then the mission is there. That is Kṛṣṇa also. Kṛṣṇa says:

:''satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ''
:''yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ''
:''namasyantaś ca māṁ bhaktyā''
:''nitya-yuktā upāsate''
:([[BG 9.14 (1972)|BG 9.14]])

You have to teach them like that. ''Satataṁ kīrtayanto mām'', as we are doing. We're always chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. But if you manufacture in your own way, that you can do. ''Yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya vartate kāma-kārataḥ na sa siddhim avāpnoti'' ([[BG 16.23 (1972)|BG 16.23]]). That will never be successful. If you have to execute the mission of Kṛṣṇa, you have to take instruction of Kṛṣṇa and do it rigidly. Then you'll be successful. Kṛṣṇa . . . Kṛṣṇa's mission is that one must know Kṛṣṇa and surrender to Him. This is mission. Kṛṣṇa does not say that by ''karma-yoga'' one can understand Him. Kṛṣṇa says, ''bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)|BG 18.55]]). You cannot say, "We are ''karma-yogīs''." ''Karma-yogī'' means the third class. He's ''karmī'', and little mixed up with ''bhakti''. Adulterated. ''Jñāna-yogī'', he's not a ''bhakta''. He's ''jñānī'', but just to bring him gradually, a little ''bhakti''. You see? And real ''bhakti'' is ''anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam'' (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11). When it will be tintless of any ''karma'' and ''jñāna'', then it is pure ''bhakti''. That is Kṛṣṇa's mission. ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)|BG 18.66]]). Not mixed up with ''jñāna'', ''karma'', ''yoga''. Otherwise, how Kṛṣṇa says, ''bhaktyā mām abhijānāti''? He could have said, "Any way," as these rascals say, "Any way go, you will get Kṛṣṇa." That Kṛṣṇa does not say. Kṛṣṇa says, ''bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)|BG 18.55]]). ''Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid vetti māṁ tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 7.3 (1972)|BG 7.3]]). ''Janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)|BG 4.9]]). So that ''tattva'', ''bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)|BG 18.55]]). So we have to take this. You manufacture in your own way, and still you carry out the mission of Kṛṣṇa—that is contradiction. You have to take the lesson from Kṛṣṇa. Then it will be successful. ''Karma-yoga'' is for the third class. They are addicted to ''karma'', a little ''bhakti'', that's all. That is not pure. ''Jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam'' ([[CC Madhya 19.167|CC Madhya 19.167]]). When there is not a tinge of ''karma'' and ''jñāna'', that is pure ''bhakti''. That is Kṛṣṇa's mission.

So everything is there, direction is there. We can guide you—not according to our whims, but according to ''śāstra''. And if you agree to accept, then we can also cooperate with you. But if you manufacture your own way, then how we can possibly . . . Kṛṣṇa's mission is this: ''yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati'' ([[BG 4.7 (1972)|BG 4.7]]). Except ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti'', ''bhaktyā'', everything is ''glāniḥ''. All ''glāniḥ''. And that can be awakened, ''kṛṣṇa-bhakti''. Just like these boys are doing. That is enunciated in the ''Caitanya-caritāmṛta'': ''nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa—everyone has kṛṣṇa-bhakti''. You have to awaken simply. ''Nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-prema sādhya kabhu naya'' ([[CC Madhya 22.107|CC Madhya 22.107]]). It is not artificial. ''Śravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya''. If the hearing about Kṛṣṇa is pure . . . that is also confirmed in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'':

:''śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''
:''puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ''
:''hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi''
:''vidhunoti suhṛt satām''
:([[SB 1.2.17|SB 1.2.17]])

:''naṣṭa-prāyeṣv abhadreṣu''
:''nityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā''
:''bhagavaty naiṣṭhikī bhakti''
:''uttama-śloke bhavati naiṣṭhikī''
:([[SB 1.2.18|SB 1.2.18]])

:''tato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ''
:''kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye''
:''ceta etair anāviddhaṁ''
:''sthitas sattve prasīdati''
:([[SB 1.2.19|SB 1.2.19]])

So we have to follow this formula. This is ''śāstra-viddhi'': one step to another. And if you don't care for the ''śāstra-viddhi'', we can do that, but ''na siddhiṁ na avāpnoti'': it will never be successful. It will be a show, big show, but there will be no ''siddhi''.

(pause)

'''Prabhupāda:''' If you want to do according to the direction of Kṛṣṇa, our cent percent cooperation will be there. We'll not touch a single farthing of your money, but we can give you direction, "Spend it like that." And government men, you can see that we are not touching a single farthing of your money, but it is being spent for Kṛṣṇa's mission. That you can believe. It is the duty of the government men to see that people may not misrepresent. That is the Vedic injunction. Pṛthu Mahārāja was to see that a ''brāhmin'' is doing, acting like ''brāhmin'', ''kṣatriya'' is doing like ''kṣatriya''. So it is government's duty to see that Bālajī's money, Kṛṣṇa's money, is to the farthing spent for His mission. That is your duty. That is government's duty, that nothing is misused, nothing is misrepresented. But we know how to execute the mission of Kṛṣṇa. Everyone can know, because direction is there. It is not a secret thing. It is open secret. But you have to act. That requires faith. And so far my experience goes, the whole world will take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Unfortunately, I am struggling single-handed. And they are criticizing me in the Parliament. You have seen the recent article Blitz against me? What is that heading? "Ungodly face." I am doing ungodly? But they are advertising like that, trying to make me unpopular. The Māyāvādīs, they say that Bhaktivedanta Swami is ruining Hinduism. They are saying like that . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Bolta hai ki nahi? . . . mayavadi saying like this?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Saying like this or not? . . . mayavadi is saying like this?)</span> So I am being criticized in Parliament, I am criticized by the so-called ''jagad-gurus'' who have never seen what is ''jagat''. And so on, so on.

'''Mr. Raju:''' No, for a country suffering from multiplicity of gods, Hinduism, you are doing a very great service, asking them to concentrate on Kṛṣṇa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is . . . only God. ''Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam'' ([[SB 1.3.28|SB 1.3.28]]).

'''Mr. Raju:''' How you are enlightening them, it is a very great service. No doubt about that actually. They don't know. And you are making the man, the human being, a servant of that God . . . (indistinct) . . . divinity.

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not my manufacture. ''Śāstra'' says, ''kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam''.

'''Mr. Raju:''' They have said so many things in the name of ''śāstra''. They have said so many things in the name of ''śāstra''. That you are making it one is very good.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, those who are approved ''śāstra'' is accepted by the ''ācāryas''. ''Śāstra'', which is accepted by the ''ācārya'', that is ''śāstra''. You cannot make. As you cannot manufacture religion, you cannot manufacture ''śāstras''. Approved by the ''ācāryas''. ''Ācāryopāsanam''. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says also that you should know from the ''ācārya''. Everyone, they are preaching ''Bhagavad-gītā'' with the purpose of killing Kṛṣṇa. Everyone. The politicians, the scholars, the rascals and everyone. The main purpose is how to kill Kṛṣṇa. In Bombay I have got a very big friend, you know him. I do not wish to disclose his name. He has set aside ten ''lakhs'' of rupees from preaching ''Gītā''. But he wants ''Gītā'' without Kṛṣṇa. Rāma without Sītā. Rāvaṇa's policy. Take away Sītā; Rāma will remain alone. So take away ''Gītā'' and cut Kṛṣṇa. But I cannot make any compromise. I shall . . . my life is ended; now I'm eighty-one. I do not know . . . but so long I shall live, I shall make no compromise, ''kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svaya''m ([[SB 1.3.28|SB 1.3.28]]). ''Dṛḍha-vrata''. And that is a fact. Why shall I mislead people? They are searching after God, what is God. Here is God. Why don't you take it? See His activities. ''Aiśvaryasya samagrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ'' (Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47). Tally with the formula of God, you see Kṛṣṇa is there. ''Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam''. So whatever teeny effort I have got, I shall try to establish temples of Kṛṣṇa all over the world with my teeny income. I have got book sales. Kṛṣṇa has given me very good chance. It is beyond any dream. We are selling books sixty thousand dollars daily.

'''Indian man (1):''' Six ''lakhs'' about.

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Thirty thousand dollars.

'''Indian man (1):''' Sixty thousand dollars.

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Yes, daily.

'''Prabhupāda:''' And we are known the topmost publisher of religious and philosophical books in the world. And we are approved . . . our books are approved by the greatest learned scholars of all universities. Because they are seeing a new light. No hodgepodge philosophy. India also, wherever we are going. Now he has come . . . within how many days? Within a month.

'''Prabhaviṣṇu:''' Yes, one month, in Uttar Pradesh . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' He has got seventy standing orders. Our books are, say, eighty. So eighty books, say, average five dollars. So eighty books, five dollars means . . .

'''Prabhaviṣṇu:''' Four hundred dollars.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Four hundred dollars. Such seventy orders.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Four hundred by seventy.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He has secured order in one month, seventy orders. In one place. Standing orders. "Whatever is published, give us, and then others, when they will be published, send also." They have not seen even the books.

'''Tirupati Balajī Temple manager:''' This is practical ''pracāra'', giving of books.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No librarian, no university, no scholar, no professor is refusing. As soon as we go, "Oh, yes, bring. We shall take." So I am bringing money from the foreign countries by my selling books, and they are criticizing me that I am CIA. (laughter) Just see the fun. And there is nobody to give me protection.

'''Tirupati Balajī Temple manager:''' Not Lord giving protection? (laughter)

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, Lord giving, giving. That I am confident. Because they are envious, "How Bhaktivedanta Swami is getting so much money? He's paying crores and crores. There must be some political . . ." As they are getting from Russia. But actually, I am selling. I am working night, writing these books, and these boys are helping me to sell it. I am getting enough money to spend it. What is my fault? For Kṛṣṇa's sake we have sacrificed everything, our life and everything, and Kṛṣṇa is giving us money and we are spending it, and they are criticizing in the Parliament. This is my misfortune. I don't take it as misfortune. Because ''asuras'' are always there. Even Kṛṣṇa's time.

'''Mr. Raju:''' They are criticizing, but not . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Because we are getting so much money. For this temple we have to spend . . . ten ''lakhs''?

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Twelve ''lakhs''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Twelve ''lakhs''. So by selling my books. And I have sent him more than four ''lakhs'', five ''lakhs'' from foreign countries. This is my fault. Similarly, in Bombay we are spending every month seven ''lakhs'' regularly. That is coming from foreign countries. And they are thinking that I'm taking bribe and acting as CIA. Just see. And CIA have become Vaiṣṇavas with long ''śikhā'' and giving up all facilities of life, and they are dancing with the CIA. People have no common sense that CIA agent could stay in a nice hotel and enjoy life. Why so much ''vairāgya''? Even my Godbrothers said that American government has given me two crores of rupees. Now we are planning to have a temple in Māyāpur where . . . what is, what is the economic estimates, where we shall spend how much money monthly?

'''Harikeśa:''' Two hundred thousand dollars monthly.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Two hundred thousand dollars monthly.

'''Mr. Raju:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Navadwip, mayapur me.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In Navadwip, Māyāpur.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Two hundred thousand. (break) Nobody will be able to check it. He'll go on. That is Kṛṣṇa. Here is Dictaphone. I work at night. I get up at half past twelve, one, and I write books. And daytime I'm engaged. And daily either ten page, twenty page written, that is sent to Los Angeles. You have seen our Press? And they take care. How our books printed, have you got that film?

'''Mahāṁsa:''' I have it in 16mm. Yes.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Why don't you show?

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Just now?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It will take little . . .

'''Hari-śauri:''' (indistinct background conversation about projectors)

'''Mahāṁsa:''' I don't have a Fairchild. I have it in 16mm film.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. But the Press . . .

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Yes, the Press film.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You can show, they'll be . . . (background talk about projectors) How in the American industrial process we are printing our books. I made the Book Trust, sixty thousand dollars they are selling. So as author, I could have derived from them at least six thousand, ten percent minimum. Six thousand dollars per day. Six thousand dollars means sixty thousand rupees. That could have been my daily income. But I take little ''khicuṛi'' from them, that's all. (Harikeśa laughing)

'''Indian man:''' Two ''crores'' per year, it comes to . . . Mr. . . . (indistinct) . . . he was last month at Los Angeles.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

(pause)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Our farming projects, very successful. Now here, Badrukajī is also giving us some land. <span style="color:#ff9933">Aiye . . . bathiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Come . . . sit.)</span> (someone arrives) (background conversation)

'''Hari-śauri:''' Vāsughoṣa.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So we have got big program. Any amount of money you bring to us, we shall spend it immediately.

(background conversation) (pause) (loud kīrtana in background) (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' There is a logic, ''andha-paṅgu-nyāya''. One man is blind, another man is lame. Both are useless. But when they combined together the lame man was taken by the blind man. So the lame man has got eyes, he was giving direction: "Go this way." So both their work was done. So I say that India is lame and America is blind. Let us combine together. Then we can give a great culture for the benefit of the whole human society. India has no money—lame. And they have got money, but they have no knowledge. So let us combine together. This is logic. ''Andha-paṅgu-nyāya''.

So by this cooperation they have . . . when I was in India I published three parts of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'' with great difficulty. And now, since I have gone there, I am publishing every month a book. So on account of their cooperation we are able to publish so many books and organize the sale all over the world. But it is true that this culture is very much welcome all over the world. That is happening. That is real execution of the mission of Kṛṣṇa. Not to keep Kṛṣṇa within the boundaries of certain areas. ''Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā''. ''Sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya'' ([[BG 14.4 (1972)|BG 14.4]]). He's the father of all living entities. They should know it.

We have got many other films also—how we are giving protection to the cows in different farms, how we are getting sumptuous milk. Two years ago there was an article in the ''Navabharat Times'' in Delhi, big article, one full page, first page. And the heading was that New Vṛndāvana <span style="color:#ff9933">Mein "aadyatmikta ki jamuna, aur doodh-dahi ki nadi beh rahi hai."</span><span style="color:#128807">("In the Yamuna of spirituality, and a river of milk curd is flowing.")</span> They gave this heading. And they gave all details how the use of the land. New Vrindavan in Virginia, we have got one thousand acre of land, and we are utilizing it. How they are living peacefully. So we want to make an example here with this six hundred acres of land, if it is given to us. Kṛṣṇa's formula is there: ''annād bhavanti bhūtāni''. Produce sufficient quantity of ''anna''. Everyone will be satisfied. ''Annād bhavanti bhūtāni''. Kṛṣṇa never says by factory ''bhavanti bhūtāni''. (laughter)

:''annād bhavanti bhūtāni''
:''parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ''
:''yajñād bhavati parjanyo''
:''yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ''
:([[BG 3.14 (1972)|BG 3.14]])

''Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ'' ([[BG 3.9 (1972)|BG 3.9]]). This formula should be . . . that is Kṛṣṇa's mission. Kṛṣṇa's mission . . . what to speak of Kṛṣṇa's mission, Kṛṣṇa (loud kirtan). <span style="color:#ff9933">Krishna se hi juda hua hai. Bās.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It is connected to Kṛṣṇa.)</span> Kṛṣṇa, to carry personally, <span style="color:#ff9933">bol rahe hain</span>, <span style="color:#128807">(He is saying,)</span> aham ādir hi devānām ([[BG 10.2 (1972)|BG 10.2]]). <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye log kaha rahe hain Krishna Nirakara hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(These people, they say Kṛṣṇa is formless.)</span> Kṛṣṇa ''nirākāra''. He's personally speaking. And Vyāsadeva writes, ''bhagavān uvāca''. <span style="color:#ff9933">Propaganda phail raha hai Bhagvan kuch hai hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Propaganda is spreading that there is no God.)</span>)</span>

'''Tirupati Balajī Temple manager:''' (indistinct) <span style="color:#ff9933">Om purusham . . . mera dhayn karo, mera kaun hai mante hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(''Om purusham'' . . . meditate on Me—who is "Me"? They do not accept.)</span> (break) (loud ''kirtan'')

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Idaṁ jñānam ākhyātam''?

'''Harikeśa:''' ''Iti te jñānam ākhyātam''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Iti te jñānam ākhyātam'' . . .

'''Harikeśa:''' ''Guhyād guhyataraṁ mayā''. I'll get it.

:''iti te jñānam ākhyātaṁ''
:''guhyād guhyataraṁ mayā''
:''vimṛśyaitad aśeṣeṇa''
:''yathecchasi tathā kuru''
:([[BG 18.63 (1972)|BG 18.63]])

"Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully and then do what you wish to do."

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. Kṛṣṇa has explained everything, all confidential. Now consider about it, think about it, and do whatever you like. Yathecchasi tathā. The liberty is there. Whatever you like, you can do. Kṛṣṇa will not force. He can force, but He does not interfere with little liberty. Then he becomes stone. Living entity has got little liberty because he is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. When Arjuna was decided, ''naṣṭo mohaḥ smṛtir labdhā'', Kṛṣṇa gave him liberty, ''yathecchasi tathā kuru'' ([[BG 18.63 (1972)|BG 18.63]]). But he voluntarily accepted, ''kariṣye vacanaṁ tava''. Find out.

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''arjuna uvāca''
:''naṣṭo mohaḥ smṛtir labdhā''
:''tvat prasādān mayācyuta''
:''sthito 'smi gata-sandehaḥ''
:''kariṣye vacanaṁ tava''
:([[BG 18.73 (1972)|BG 18.73]])

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is real religion.

'''Harikeśa:''' "Arjuna said: My dear Kṛṣṇa, O infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy, and I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions."

'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. Yes, that is real . . . (indistinct) . . . that is translated in Bengali,

:''nitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-prema sādhya kabhu naya''
:''śravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya''
:([[CC Madhya 22.107|CC Madhya 22.107]])

"Now I am prepared, naṣṭo mohaḥ, now my illusion is over." . . . (indistinct) . . . that is perfection. Kṛṣṇa gives you liberty, whatever you like you do. But when you come to the conclusion, "No, I shall do what you say," that is perfection. I can do whatever I like. That liberty is there. But if I accept Kṛṣṇa's instruction, that is ''bhakti''. Find out that verse, ''satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ'' ([[BG 9.14 (1972)|BG 9.14]]).

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''satataṁ kīrtayanto māṁ''
:''yatantaś ca dṛḍha-vratāḥ''
:''namasyantaś ca māṁ bhaktyā''
:''nitya-yuktā upāsate''
:([[BG 9.14 (1972)|BG 9.14]])

"Always chanting My glories, endeavoring with great determination, bowing down before Me, these great souls perpetually worship Me with devotion."

'''Prabhupāda:''' This is religion. They are ''mahātmās''. Previous verse?

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha''
:''daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ''
:''bhajanty ananya-manaso''
:''jñātvā bhūtādim avyayam''
:([[BG 9.13 (1972)|BG 9.13]])

"O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible."

'''Prabhupāda:''' That is ''mahātmā''. This is ''mahātmā''. ''Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha'' ([[BG 9.13 (1972)|BG 9.13]]). Find out this . . .

'''Harikeśa:''' ''Daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ bhajanty ananya-manaso jñātvā bhūtādim avyayam''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ''. ''Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate'' ([[BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]]).

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''bahūnāṁ janmanām ante''
:''jñānavān māṁ prapadyate''
:''vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti''
:''sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ''
:([[BG 7.19 (1972)|BG 7.19]])

"After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare. (indistinct background conversation)

'''Vāsughoṣa:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda? This gentleman is the head of the Marwari community, Mr. Dinami. They only speak Hindi. They would like to speak to you, but they don't understand English.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I can . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">main Hindi mein bol sakta hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I can speak in Hindi.)</span> (loud ''kirtana'') (break)

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Hindi mein bol sakta hai maharaj?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Can Mahārāja speak in Hindi?)</span>

'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Maharaj ji Hindi mein bolenge.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Mahārāja will speak in Hindi.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Unless one is enthused, he cannot preach. It is not possible. I went there when I was about seventy years old. I was sitting in Vṛndāvana. So I thought that "My Guru Mahārāja wanted me; Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted me. So in this old age, let me try." . . . (indistinct) . . . but by Kṛṣṇa's grace it became successful. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam'', ''dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ tam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)|BG 10.10]]). So there is good field for propagating this cult. See our young men, they are . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Udhar sab young men sab sharab chhod raha hai . . . aur idhar sharab pine ko ghum raha hai. Udhar maans chhod raha hai aur idhar maans khane ko dhoond raha hai. Juhu me ek bada sa beef shop aur Hindu log beef khana suru kar diye hain. Ab kya raha gaya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There, all young men are giving up alcohol . . . and here they are roaming to drink alcohol. There they are giving up eating meat and here they are searching to eat meat. In Juhu there is a big beef shop and even the Hindus have started to eat beef.)</span> And I inquired some of the Hindu boys that, "Do you eat beef?" So, they began to smile, then they accepted. <span style="color:#ff9933">Jab maans khata hai to wo beef hua ye hua sab ek hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(When they eat meat then whether it is beef or some meat, how does it matter.)</span> (break)

'''Indian man:''' . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Mahatma Gandhi ne kaha tha ki . . . band karwa denge.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Mahatma Gandhi had said . . . will be closed.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Keh dene se kya.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Just by saying what will happen.)</span> The platform is finished. <span style="color:#ff9933">Khali bolne se kya hoga? Bangladesh me bolta hai (Prabhupada says Bengali saying) . . . baans hota hai na ek green rahta usko aap bend kar sakte hai aur wo jab yellow ho jata hai . . . . tuchchch . . . toh toot jata hai. Pahle to kuch sikhaya nahi jata hai ab jab yellow ho gaya to usko kya sikhaye. Toot gaya.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Just by saying what will happen? In Bangladesh there is a saying (Bengali saying) bamboo is there when it is green it can be bent but when it becomes yellow then . . . tuchchch . . . then it breaks on bending. Initially nothing is taught, now when these people have become yellow like dry bamboo then what to teach. They break.)</span> Now, ''yathecchasi tathā kuru'' ([[BG 18.63 (1972)|BG 18.63]]). ''Yathecchasi'', ''yathā icchasi tathā kuru''.

'''Mr. Raju:''' No, we are ready for that. There is actually no difference at all than what you are saying. As a matter of fact, government is . . . that's what I said, they have started their own society, the society of Kṛṣṇa ''bhaktas'' . . . (indistinct) . . . this country, other countries . . . this country itself, it is such a great service.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Whole world will accept.

'''Mr. Raju:''' This country itself is such a great service. It will require miracle.

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Iske liye . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(For this . . .)</span> We can cooperate.

'''Mr. Raju:''' Unless you are so single-minded it can't be. Therefore you say there is no compromise. Otherwise, if there are compromises, there will be adjustments, it will lead to dilution. We understand.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Compromise has to do. These boys, when they come for initiation, no compromise: "You have to do this. No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, even up to smoking cigarettes or drinking tea, no gambling. If you accept, then you become my disciple." They accept. No compromise.

'''Mr. Raju:''' (indistinct) . . . great coordination, because you are establishing a center here. That will be very good.

'''Prabhupāda:''' We are meant for this purpose, coordination, but if you take our . . . (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. You have taken prasādam?

'''Mr. Raju:''' Yes, we did. (minister and temple manager leave) (break)

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . and he is such a big man that he goes above the ''ācāryas''. ''Ati-buddhi''. ''Ati-buddhi galaya dekhe''. "If one is overintelligent, hang him." That is a Bengali saying. ''Ati-buddhi galaya dekhe''. If one is unnecessarily over intelligent, just hang him with a rope in the neck. So he is ''ati-buddhi''. Anyway, he was intelligent to purchase.

'''Devotee:''' (aside) He thought that it would explain . . . (indistinct) . . . (background conversation)

'''Prabhupāda:''' You have to read the subject matter. Even if he thinks that it is written by Bopadeva, such a great knowledge, one has to read. Such great knowledge is not possible by Bopadeva and unless he is incarnation of God, Vyāsadeva. It is said . . . (indistinct) . . . not this . . . (indistinct)

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Which volume do you want, Prabhupāda?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Second volume. ''Varīyān eṣa'' . . .

'''Harikeśa:''' Second Canto, Part One, verse one.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Find out this. ''Varīyān eṣa'' . . .

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''śrī-suka uvāca''
:''varīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ''
:''kṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa''
:''ātmavit-sammataḥ puṁsāṁ''
:''śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ''
:([[SB 2.1.1|SB 2.1.1]])

'''Prabhupāda:''' Find out that verse when he says: "I have heard it from my father." ''Pariniṣṭhito 'pi nairguṇya''. The verse begins ''pariniṣṭhito 'pi nairguṇya''.

'''Harikeśa:''' ''Idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma''? ''Idaṁ bhāgavatam'' . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, before that. ''Pariniṣṭhito 'pi''. The word begins with ''pariniṣṭhito''. ''Idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma''. No?

'''Harikeśa:'''

:''idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma''
:''purāṇaṁ brahma-sammitam''
:''adhītavān dvāparādau''
:''pitur dvaipāyanād aham''
:([[SB 2.1.8|SB 2.1.8]])

'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah, yes.

'''Harikeśa:''' "At the end of the Dvāpara-yuga, I studied this great supplement of Vedic literature of the name ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', which is equal to all the ''Vedas'', from my father, Śrīla Dvaipāyana Vyāsadeva."

'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. And these rascals say Bopadeva. The speaker of ''Bhāgavatam'', he says that, "I learned it from my father." His father is Vyāsadeva. And these rascals say Bopadeva. Just see. And they are posted in big post. With such nonsense knowledge, they are posted in big post. He does not know who is the author of ''Bhāgavata''. Here it is distinctly said: "I learned it from my father." So his father is Vyāsadeva. You take this verse. If anyone says . . . so Śukadeva Gosvāmī is the speaker of ''Bhāgavata'', he's admitting that "I've learned it from my father." And where the Bopadeva comes? Is that right?

'''Devotees:''' Yes, right.

'''Devotee:''' I was trying . . . that if I began to oppose him, then he would not take the book.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. Scholarly. Just present that here is the . . . Śukadeva Gosvāmī is the speaker of ''Bhāgavatam''. He says: "I learned it from my father." And who is his father? Bopadeva or Vyāsadeva? This is going on. That is finished . . . (indistinct)

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Yes. Only two of them. One of them is here, but he was not at home, and the other one is out of station. So we'll get their signature when they come.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Two of them have signed.

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Yes. Hariprasad and Shrinivas, they have both signed. And Shri Krishnan-dyuta, he's here but he was not at home or something.

'''Prabhupāda:''' He'll sign?

'''Mahāṁsa:''' Yes. He will do whatever Hariprasad says, and Omkar Lal is the youngest brother, so he will also sign. Shall I keep this, or would you like to keep it here?

'''Prabhupāda:''' As you like. You can keep it.

'''Mahāṁsa:''' I'll lock it up.

'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that? Group? (indistinct comments by devotees) (pause)

'''Devotee:''' When I speak to some of these archaeologists that I meet, these professors, I ask them do they believe in the historical validity of this ''Mahābhārata'' and ''Bhāgavatam'', and they say: "Personally, I believe, but officially we have to follow the archaeology, the techniques of measuring the time." So they have two faces: one for official life and one for personal life.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Duplicity. Duplicity.

'''Devotee:''' Yes. But there are some of them who are trying to prove also that the ''Mahābhārata'' was historical.

'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Mahābhārata'', that very name suggests history. "Bigger India." ''Mahā'' means bigger, and ''Bhārata'' means India. Can you answer?

'''Prabhaviṣṇu:''' There is one verse in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', in Chapter Seven:

:''icchā-dveṣa samutthena''
:''dvandva-mohena bhārata''
:''sarva-bhūtāni saṁmohaṁ''
:''sarge yānti parantapa''
:([[BG 7.27 (1972)|BG 7.27]])

The meaning of this verse is that all living beings in the material world are born into delusion, overcome by the duality of desire and hate. So the fact is that the living entity, he desires to become great. Just like God is very great, so the living entity wants to imitate God, and therefore he comes in this material world, and he tries to become great and very powerful. This is desire. He tries to enjoy himself. And also ''icchā-dveṣa'': he becomes envious of the Lord. Most people . . . many people in the material world, they don't like to admit that God exists or that there is someone greater than themselves, because they think themselves to be the greatest. This is the disease of material life. But the cure for this disease that we have to accept . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' You know that? There are so many rascals, they say: "I'm God." You know that? That is the problem. If somebody says: "I am God," is it a fact? But he says like that. He's such a rascal. That is the point.

'''Indian man:''' In spite of all falsehood, people accept him as God.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Rascals.

'''Indian man:''' Some people, they are . . . (indistinct)

'''Vāsughoṣa:''' This man has come to read the Oriya book. He can read Oriya. So . . . he wanted someone to translate. They have come.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is that Oriya book? Find out.

'''Harikeśa:''' The one Gargamuni . . .

'''Vāsughoṣa:''' Yes. Orissan language, Orissan language.

'''Prabhupāda:''' (loud ''kirtan'')

'''Indian man:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Do you think that realization is good, if anyone realizes that he is God? Do you think he has actually realized anything?

'''Indian man:''' . . . (indistinct)

'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the proof? Everyone can say, "I am God," but where is the proof? He must act like God. If somebody says, "I am the richest man," simply this statement will do, or we must see how he is rich?

(pause)

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm. Give him.

'''Devotee:''' You can read.

'''Indian man:''' (indistinct) . . . Founder Śrī Śrīmad A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm, (loud ''kirtana'').

'''Indian man:''' (indistinct) . . . founder Śrī Śrīmad . . . (break) (end)

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Narada Muni - Vanisource

2024-01-14T07:05:49Z

Visnu Murti:

Narada Muni is the 4th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 830 verses. He does not speak in the 3rd, 9th, and 12th cantos.

We see here how many verses he speaks through each canto.

:1st canto = 83 verses
:2nd canto = 8 verses
:4th canto = 260 verses
:5th canto = 5 verses
:6th canto = 17 verses
:7th canto = 379 verses
:8th canto = 1 verses
:10th canto = 51 verses
:11th canto = 26 verses

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[[Category:Top 20 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B004]]
[[Category:Top 30 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B004]]
[[Category:Top 50 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B004]]
[[Category:Top 100 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B004]]
[[Category:Top 150 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B004]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Yadu, son of Yayati Maharaja - Vanisource

2024-01-07T12:19:31Z

Visnu Murti:

Yadu, son of Yayati Maharaja is the 348th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 1 verse. He speaks only in the 9th canto.

Here we see the verse he speaks.

:9th canto = 1 verse

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B348]]
[[Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Yayati Maharaja - Vanisource|1]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Sandipani Muni - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:47:58Z

Visnu Murti:

Saubhari Muni is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 10th cantos.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:10th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Queen Suruci - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:47:40Z

Visnu Murti:

Queen Suruci is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. She speaks only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses she speaks.

:4th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Parvati, wife of Lord Siva - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:47:17Z

Visnu Murti:

Parvati is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. She speaks only in the 6th canto.

Here we see the verses she speaks.

:6th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Nanda and Sunanda - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:45:51Z

Visnu Murti:

Nanda and Sunanda are the 156th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. They speak only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:4th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Nabhaga's Father - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:45:33Z

Visnu Murti:

Nabhaga's father is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 9th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Khatvanga Maharaja - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:45:12Z

Visnu Murti:

Khatvanga Maharaja is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 9th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Pradyumna - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:44:51Z

Visnu Murti:

Lord Pradyumna is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 10th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:10th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Jamadagni - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:44:38Z

Visnu Murti:

Jamadagni is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 9th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Bhadrasrava and his Associates - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:44:24Z

Visnu Murti:

Bhadrasrava and his Associates are the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. They speak only in the 5th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:5th canto = 5 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by a Voice from the Sky - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:43:15Z

Visnu Murti:

The Voice from the Sky is the 156th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 5 verses. He speaks only in the 8th, 9th, and 10th cantos.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:8th canto = 2 verses
:9th canto = 2 verses
:10th canto = 1 verse

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B156]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Saubhari Muni - Vanisource

2024-01-06T06:40:38Z

Visnu Murti:

Saubhari Muni is the 127th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 6 verses. He speaks only in the 9th and 10th cantos.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 5 verses
:10th canto = 1 verse

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|B135]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Suta Gosvami - Vanisource

2024-01-03T09:00:50Z

Visnu Murti:

Suta Gosvami is the 5th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 739 verses. He does not speak in the 5th, 7th, and 11th cantos.

We see here how many verses he speaks through each canto.

:1st canto = 400 verses
:2nd canto = 7 verses
:3rd canto = 15 verses
:4th canto = 3 verses
:6th canto = 3 verses
:8th canto = 3 verses
:9th canto = 1 verse
:10th canto = 6 verses
:12th canto = 301 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource]]
[[Category:Top 10 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]
[[Category:Top 20 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]
[[Category:Top 30 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]
[[Category:Top 50 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]
[[Category:Top 100 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]
[[Category:Top 150 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B005]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Maitreya Rsi - Vanisource

2024-01-03T08:43:37Z

Visnu Murti:

Maitreya Rsi is the 3rd top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 1,102 verses. He speaks only in the 3rd and 4th cantos.

Here we see how many verses he speaks in each canto.

:3rd canto = 494 verses
:4th canto = 608 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource]]
[[Category:Top 10 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]
[[Category:Top 20 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]
[[Category:Top 30 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]
[[Category:Top 50 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]
[[Category:Top 100 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]
[[Category:Top 150 Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Cantos 1-12|B003]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Cupid and his Followers - Vanisource

2024-01-03T08:31:10Z

Visnu Murti:

Cupid and his Followers are the 194th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 3 verses. They speak only in the 11th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:11th canto = 3 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0194]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Assembled Kings - Vanisource

2024-01-03T08:29:39Z

Visnu Murti:

The Assembled Kings are the 194th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 3 verses. They speak only in the 10th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:10th canto = 3 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0194]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Brahmana 1 & Brahmana 2 - Vanisource

2024-01-03T08:29:24Z

Visnu Murti:

Brahmana 1 & Brahmana 2 are the 194th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 3 verses. They speak only in the 10th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:10th canto = 3 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0194]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Assembled Kings - Vanisource

2024-01-03T08:27:12Z

Visnu Murti:

The Assembled Kings are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 3 verses. They speak only in the 10th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:10th canto = 3 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0194]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Devotee Taking the Pumsavana Vow - Vanisource

2024-01-02T15:11:44Z

Visnu Murti:

The Devotee Taking the Pumsavana Vow is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. He speaks only in the 6th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:6th canto = 4 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0169]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Male Kulinga Bird - Vanisource

2024-01-02T14:58:00Z

Visnu Murti:

The Male Kulinga Bird is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. He speaks only in the 7th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:7th canto = 4 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0169]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Lord Varaha - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:24:22Z

Visnu Murti:

Lord Varaha is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. He speaks only in the 3rd canto.

Here we see the verses He speaks.

:3rd canto = 4 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0169]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Woman Taking the Pumsavana Vow - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:17:30Z

Visnu Murti:

The Woman Taking the Pumsavana Vow is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 3 verses. She speaks only in the 6th canto.

Here we see the verses she speaks.

:6th canto = 3 verses

[[Category:All the Speakers of Srimad Bhagavatam - Vanisource|0169]]

Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Woman Taking the Pumsavana Vow - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:14:35Z

Visnu Murti:

The Woman Taking the Pumsavana Vow is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. She speaks only in the 6th canto.

Here we see the verses she speaks.

:6th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Personified Ocean - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:12:21Z

Visnu Murti:

The Personified Ocean is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. He speaks only in the 9th and 10th cantos.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 2 verses
:10th canto = 2 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by Vasistha Muni - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:10:51Z

Visnu Murti:

Vasistha Muni is the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. He speaks only in the 9th canto.

Here we see the verses he speaks.

:9th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Demon Followers of Bali Maharaja - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:09:02Z

Visnu Murti:

The Demon Followers of Bali Maharaja are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 8th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:8th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Rowdy Persons - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:07:48Z

Visnu Murti:

The Rowdy Persons are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 11th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:11th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Demigods Wives - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:07:10Z

Visnu Murti:

The Demigod's Wives are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:4th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Members of Daksa's Sacrifice Speaking to Each Other - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:06:54Z

Visnu Murti:

The Members of Daksa's Sacrifice Speaking to Each Other are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:4th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Young Boys of the Yadu Dynasty - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:06:13Z

Visnu Murti:

The Young Boys of the Yadu Dynasty are the 169th top speakers of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 11th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:11th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Members of Daksa's Sacrifice Speaking to Each Other - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:04:50Z

Visnu Murti:

The Members of Daksa's Sacrifice Speaking to Each Other are the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:4th canto = 4 verses

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Category:Bhagavatam Verses Spoken by the Demigods Wives - Vanisource

2023-12-31T18:03:55Z

Visnu Murti:

The Demigod's Wives are the 169th top speaker of the Srimad-Bhagavatam with 4 verses. They speak only in the 4th canto.

Here we see the verses they speak.

:4th canto = 4 verses

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