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	So how we can transfer into that kingdom of light? The whole human civilization is based on these principle. The ''Vedānta'' says, ''athāto brahma jijṣāsā. Atha, ataḥ''. "Therefore you should now inquire about Brahman, the Absolute." "Therefore, now" means . . . every word is significant. "Therefore" means because you have got this human body—"therefore." And ''ataḥ'' means "hereafter." "Hereafter" means you have passed through many, many lives, 8,400,000 species of life. Aquatics—900,000's.		So how we can transfer into that kingdom of light? The whole human civilization is based on these principle. The ''Vedānta'' says, ''athāto brahma jijṣāsā. Atha, ataḥ''. "Therefore you should now inquire about Brahman, the Absolute." "Therefore, now" means . . . every word is significant. "Therefore" means because you have got this human body—"therefore." And ''ataḥ'' means "hereafter." "Hereafter" means you have passed through many, many lives, 8,400,000 species of life. Aquatics—900,000's.

	''Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati'' (''Padma Purāṇa''). This is the . . . Darwin has taken the idea of evolution from this ''Padma Purāṇa''. You won't find any philosophy, any doctrine in the world which is not found in the Vedic literature. It is so perfect, everything is there.		''Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati'' (Padma Purāṇa). This is the . . . Darwin has taken the idea of evolution from this ''Padma Purāṇa''. You won't find any philosophy, any doctrine in the world which is not found in the Vedic literature. It is so perfect, everything is there.

	So the anthropomorphism or—what is called?—anthropology . . . anthropology of Darwin is there in the ''Padma Purāṇa''. It is very nicely described. Darwin cannot explain what are the number of the species of different, but ''Padma Purāṇa ''states that there are 900,000 species of life within water, within the ocean. And above the ocean, as soon as the ocean water is dried up, the land is coming out, immediately the vegetation begins. Different types of plants and trees then come out.		So the anthropomorphism or—what is called?—anthropology . . . anthropology of Darwin is there in the ''Padma Purāṇa''. It is very nicely described. Darwin cannot explain what are the number of the species of different, but ''Padma Purāṇa ''states that there are 900,000 species of life within water, within the ocean. And above the ocean, as soon as the ocean water is dried up, the land is coming out, immediately the vegetation begins. Different types of plants and trees then come out.
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	I do not know that my position is to surrender, and that surrendering principle is my life, is my happy life. Just like a small child, if he surrenders to the wishes of the parents, his life is very pleasing, very happy. A young girl, if she surrenders to the wishes of the parents, and . . . that is the system, Vedic system. A woman, by nature, is dependent. Artificially, if woman wants liberty, then his (her) life is unhappy, her life is unhappy.		I do not know that my position is to surrender, and that surrendering principle is my life, is my happy life. Just like a small child, if he surrenders to the wishes of the parents, his life is very pleasing, very happy. A young girl, if she surrenders to the wishes of the parents, and . . . that is the system, Vedic system. A woman, by nature, is dependent. Artificially, if woman wants liberty, then his (her) life is unhappy, her life is unhappy.

	Therefore Vedic system is . . . I am not manufacturing; I am speaking authorizedly on the Vedic principle. The ''Manu-saṁhitā'', the law of ''Vedas'', Manu, the master of the humankind, Manu . . . Manu is the father of the mankind. So he has got his law book. That ''Manu-saṁhitā'' law book is still followed in India so far as the Hindus are concerned. So in that book, ''Manu-saṁhitā'', it is stated, ''na striyaṁ svatantram arhati'' (''Manu Saṁhitā'' 9.3). He gives the law that woman should not be given independence. Then? What should be the life? The life should be so long she's not married, she must live under the guidance, dependent on the parents. And as soon as she is married, she should live dependent on her husband. And when the husband is gone out . . .		Therefore Vedic system is . . . I am not manufacturing; I am speaking authorizedly on the Vedic principle. The ''Manu-saṁhitā'', the law of ''Vedas'', Manu, the master of the humankind, Manu . . . Manu is the father of the mankind. So he has got his law book. That ''Manu-saṁhitā'' law book is still followed in India so far as the Hindus are concerned. So in that book, ''Manu-saṁhitā'', it is stated, ''na striyaṁ svatantram arhati'' (Manu Saṁhitā 9.3). He gives the law that woman should not be given independence. Then? What should be the life? The life should be so long she's not married, she must live under the guidance, dependent on the parents. And as soon as she is married, she should live dependent on her husband. And when the husband is gone out . . .

	Because according to Hindu system, the husband does not remain at home for all the days, till death. No. When children are grown up, he gives up wife and children and becomes a ''Sannyāsī'', just like I have become. I have my children, I have my grandsons, I have my wife still exist . . . but I have given up all connection. So how my wife is being maintained? Oh, she has got grown-up children. So there is no anxiety.		Because according to Hindu system, the husband does not remain at home for all the days, till death. No. When children are grown up, he gives up wife and children and becomes a ''Sannyāsī'', just like I have become. I have my children, I have my grandsons, I have my wife still exist . . . but I have given up all connection. So how my wife is being maintained? Oh, she has got grown-up children. So there is no anxiety.
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	Because the spirit soul is there within this body, therefore it is growing. So spirit soul is the basic principle of all material expansion. Similarly, God being full spirit, whole spirit, He is the basic principle of all cosmic manifestation. But He is person.		Because the spirit soul is there within this body, therefore it is growing. So spirit soul is the basic principle of all material expansion. Similarly, God being full spirit, whole spirit, He is the basic principle of all cosmic manifestation. But He is person.

	These things are there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', you'll read. Arjuna says that, "It is very difficult to understand Your personality." People are bewildered, but He is person. And in the ''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' and many other ''Upaniṣad ''it is said, ''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13): "He is the chief eternal amongst all eternals." That means we living entities, we are also eternals, but He is the chief eternal. So if we are persons, then He is also person. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, the Lord says that "Myself, yourself, My dear Arjuna, and all these kings and soldiers who have come here, assembled here, they are all persons. They are all persons in the past, they are persons at present, and they will continue as persons in the future." These things are there.		These things are there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', you'll read. Arjuna says that, "It is very difficult to understand Your personality." People are bewildered, but He is person. And in the ''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' and many other ''Upaniṣad ''it is said, ''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13): "He is the chief eternal amongst all eternals." That means we living entities, we are also eternals, but He is the chief eternal. So if we are persons, then He is also person. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, the Lord says that "Myself, yourself, My dear Arjuna, and all these kings and soldiers who have come here, assembled here, they are all persons. They are all persons in the past, they are persons at present, and they will continue as persons in the future." These things are there.

	So individual soul or God, every one of us is person. Each and every one of us—person. Imperson is another feature of the person. Just like the same example, just in sun planet there is person, the predominating deity, and his personal effulgence is the sunshine. The sunshine is imperson, but the planet is localized, and the predominating deity is person. The ''Bhagavata'' confirms it, ''brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate'' ([[SB 1.2.11]]).		So individual soul or God, every one of us is person. Each and every one of us—person. Imperson is another feature of the person. Just like the same example, just in sun planet there is person, the predominating deity, and his personal effulgence is the sunshine. The sunshine is imperson, but the planet is localized, and the predominating deity is person. The ''Bhagavata'' confirms it, ''brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate'' ([[SB 1.2.11]]).

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	So any other question? Yes?		So any other question? Yes?

	Upendra: Prabhupāda, can you explain ''mahāmāyā'' and ''yogamāyā''? Was Arjuna under ''yogamāyā'' or ''mahāmāyā''?		'''Upendra:''' Prabhupāda, can you explain ''mahāmāyā'' and ''yogamāyā''? Was Arjuna under ''yogamāyā'' or ''mahāmāyā''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Arjuna, when he was thinking in terms of his personal sense gratification, he was under ''mahāmāyā''. And when he agreed to execute the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he's under ''yogamāyā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Arjuna, when he was thinking in terms of his personal sense gratification, he was under ''mahāmāyā''. And when he agreed to execute the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then he's under ''yogamāyā''.

	Upendra: How is it Arjuna, if he was eternally liberated . . .		'''Upendra:''' How is it Arjuna, if he was eternally liberated . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Because he is living entity, he is marginal. There is chance of . . . marginal means . . . I have explained several times: just like the land. Between the ocean and the land, there is a portion of land which is sometime merged within water, sometimes it is land. So a living entity's position is like that, marginal energy.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Because he is living entity, he is marginal. There is chance of . . . marginal means . . . I have explained several times: just like the land. Between the ocean and the land, there is a portion of land which is sometime merged within water, sometimes it is land. So a living entity's position is like that, marginal energy.

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	So you have got any question, you can put. You have got any question? No that girl. Hmm? Anyone, if you have got any question.		So you have got any question, you can put. You have got any question? No that girl. Hmm? Anyone, if you have got any question.

	Jaya-gopāla: Prabhupāda? You have . . . how do we explain to impersonalists inductively the existence of the Personality of Godhead?		'''Jaya-gopāla:''' Prabhupāda? You have . . . how do we explain to impersonalists inductively the existence of the Personality of Godhead?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This example I have given you several times. Just like you try to understand the sun. This is daily affair. Now when you try to understand what is this sun, you first of all come to the sunshine, light. If you are covered with cloud and if you have not known what is sun, that is a different thing.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This example I have given you several times. Just like you try to understand the sun. This is daily affair. Now when you try to understand what is this sun, you first of all come to the sunshine, light. If you are covered with cloud and if you have not known what is sun, that is a different thing.
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	There is no need of sunshine. Every planet in the spiritual world is illuminating. So because every planet is illuminating, the whole spiritual sky is dazzling illumination. So one who approaches that dazzling illumination called ''brahma-jyoti'', they are called impersonalists. Is it clear?		There is no need of sunshine. Every planet in the spiritual world is illuminating. So because every planet is illuminating, the whole spiritual sky is dazzling illumination. So one who approaches that dazzling illumination called ''brahma-jyoti'', they are called impersonalists. Is it clear?

	Jaya-gopāla: Yes, this is. But how does one show such an impersonalist with absolute proof logically? I was told Śrīla Bhaktivinoda has such a proof.		'''Jaya-gopāla:''' Yes, this is. But how does one show such an impersonalist with absolute proof logically? I was told Śrīla Bhaktivinoda has such a proof.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Apart from Bhaktivinoda, try to understand in your common sense. Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Apart from Bhaktivinoda, try to understand in your common sense. Yes.

	Jaya-gopāla: Yes, I can see this.		'''Jaya-gopāla:''' Yes, I can see this.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like sun planet, there is sunshine. The sunshine is impersonal, but if you have got power to enter into the sun globe, then you will find there, there are so many persons, they are got fiery body. It is not a fact in other planets there is no life. That is a nonsense.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like sun planet, there is sunshine. The sunshine is impersonal, but if you have got power to enter into the sun globe, then you will find there, there are so many persons, they are got fiery body. It is not a fact in other planets there is no life. That is a nonsense.

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