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	'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)		'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)

	'''Devotee:'''~~(1)~~ The bricks are brought in by boat. Very expensive to build things here . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee (1):''' The bricks are brought in by boat. Very expensive to build things here . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .

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	So, any questions?		So, any questions?

	Pradyumna: Śrīla Prabhupāda? It says here in the purport, "A similar disturbance was created formerly by the demons headed by Hiraṇyākṣa, and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down into the Garbhodaka Ocean." "The great exploiter of the gold rush"?		'''Pradyumna:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda? It says here in the purport, "A similar disturbance was created formerly by the demons headed by Hiraṇyākṣa, and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down into the Garbhodaka Ocean." "The great exploiter of the gold rush"?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that "Gold rush"? Gold rush?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that "Gold rush"? Gold rush?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' There are many. Aurobindo’s . . . Aurobindo’s philosophy is also like that: Once you get human form of life, then you don’t degrade. (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' There are many. Aurobindo’s . . . Aurobindo’s philosophy is also like that: Once you get human form of life, then you don’t degrade. (laughter)

	Pradyumna: Hmm. Theosophists also think like that.		'''Pradyumna:''' Hmm. Theosophists also think like that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah, yes, theosophists. They are similar.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah, yes, theosophists. They are similar.

	Pradyumna: (indistinct) . . . his point was that if someone was in third grade and they don’t pass, then they don’t go down to second grade, but they just stay in third grade, and they may go on to fourth.		'''Pradyumna:''' (indistinct) . . . his point was that if someone was in third grade and they don’t pass, then they don’t go down to second grade, but they just stay in third grade, and they may go on to fourth.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?

	Pradyumna: If he is in a grade in school, he is in the first, second and third year of school, but if he does not go on to fourth year, he just stays in third, but he does not go back to second. But I . . . whatever they . . . therefore I always say that if someone in school, he may not go on to fourth, but he may be so bad that he’s thrown out of school altogether, what to speak of going back to second.		'''Pradyumna:''' If he is in a grade in school, he is in the first, second and third year of school, but if he does not go on to fourth year, he just stays in third, but he does not go back to second. But I . . . whatever they . . . therefore I always say that if someone in school, he may not go on to fourth, but he may be so bad that he’s thrown out of school altogether, what to speak of going back to second.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is his creation—his concoction, his creation. But ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, Kṛṣṇa says, ''dehāntara-prāpti'': transformation of another body. So another body may be in the second class or third class or any class. ''Dehāntara''. Never says human body. Human body is guaranteed only for the ''yogīs'', those who are trying to advance spiritually. Their next body is guaranteed, human being. ''Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate'' ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is his creation—his concoction, his creation. But ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, Kṛṣṇa says, ''dehāntara-prāpti'': transformation of another body. So another body may be in the second class or third class or any class. ''Dehāntara''. Never says human body. Human body is guaranteed only for the ''yogīs'', those who are trying to advance spiritually. Their next body is guaranteed, human being. ''Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate'' ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. That one is destined? Then what is the use of taking to Jesus Christ if I am destined to go to hell?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. That one is destined? Then what is the use of taking to Jesus Christ if I am destined to go to hell?

	Govinda dāsī: You can be saved from going to hell.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' You can be saved from going to hell.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hah. Then say that even though one is destined, he can be saved. That should be the philosophy.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hah. Then say that even though one is destined, he can be saved. That should be the philosophy.
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	(pause) So, Govinda dāsī, how are you feeling? All right?		(pause) So, Govinda dāsī, how are you feeling? All right?

	Govinda dāsī: Better. Resting nicely. (pause)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' Better. Resting nicely. (pause)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Their bricks are not so . . . not so, not eleven inches. They are eight inches only.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Their bricks are not so . . . not so, not eleven inches. They are eight inches only.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .

	Govinda dāsī: The other islands are not so developed. They’re very rural, very country. Except for a couple of cities, it’s all countryside and cows.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' The other islands are not so developed. They’re very rural, very country. Except for a couple of cities, it’s all countryside and cows.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

	Govinda dāsī: Śrīla Prabhupāda, these are gardenias.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, these are gardenias.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

	Govinda dāsī: These are gardenias.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' These are gardenias.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.

	Govinda dāsī: (indistinct conversation)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' (indistinct conversation)

	Śyāmasundara: You have got ''ḍābs'' right there.		Śyāmasundara: You have got ''ḍābs'' right there.

	Govinda dāsī: They don’t use the coconuts. They pay people to come and . . . (end)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' They don’t use the coconuts. They pay people to come and . . . (end)

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	(aside) What is those? Two buildings?		(aside) What is those? Two buildings?

	Devotee (2): Those are military radar.		'''Devotee (2):''' Those are military radar.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no thunderbolt on the radar?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no thunderbolt on the radar?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no thunderbolt on the radar?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no thunderbolt on the radar?

	Devotee (3): They put lightning rods.		'''Devotee (3):''' They put lightning rods.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. There is lightning. So many ways, they are trying to save. But nature will not allow them to be saved. They must die. But the struggle for existence is that everyone is demon. The Vaiṣṇava, they do not attempt like that. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. There is lightning. So many ways, they are trying to save. But nature will not allow them to be saved. They must die. But the struggle for existence is that everyone is demon. The Vaiṣṇava, they do not attempt like that. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]).

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	So in this way, every day it is . . . our ''Bhāgavata'' is there, and the transliteration is there, word meaning is there—they should be read. Not that it is meant for simply selling. That we should also read.		So in this way, every day it is . . . our ''Bhāgavata'' is there, and the transliteration is there, word meaning is there—they should be read. Not that it is meant for simply selling. That we should also read.

	Devotee: Hm.		'''Devotee:''' Hm.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There are so many verses. We have taken so much pain to transliterate them, to give them word meanings and the purports, plus they must be instructed, discourses. Sanskrit, when pronounced, the vibration will create an atmosphere, nice atmosphere, Sanskrit. These are not ordinary Sanskrit; they are ''mantras''. Every verse of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', they are Vedic ''mantras''. The chanting of Vedic ''mantras'' has its effect. Just like chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' has effect, similarly these ''mantras'' also chanted congregationally, it will have so much effect. So in the morning I think these classes should be held. (pause) (Prabhupāda sings)		'''Prabhupāda:''' There are so many verses. We have taken so much pain to transliterate them, to give them word meanings and the purports, plus they must be instructed, discourses. Sanskrit, when pronounced, the vibration will create an atmosphere, nice atmosphere, Sanskrit. These are not ordinary Sanskrit; they are ''mantras''. Every verse of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', they are Vedic ''mantras''. The chanting of Vedic ''mantras'' has its effect. Just like chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' has effect, similarly these ''mantras'' also chanted congregationally, it will have so much effect. So in the morning I think these classes should be held. (pause) (Prabhupāda sings)
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	"Never mind, I will take My birth one after another." But the demons, they do not believe in God or God’s service or next life. These are the demons. They are thinking that this is the chance for sense enjoyment. Therefore they are trying to save in so many ways and engage the duration of life, as much as possible, varieties of sense gratification. This is demon. They don't know that after this body is finished, everything. So here is an opportunity to enjoy sense gratification. Therefore they are manufacturing so many varieties of sense gratification. They have no hope. And the Christian religion also says that they will go to hell or they will go to heaven. Destined. You have read Bible?		"Never mind, I will take My birth one after another." But the demons, they do not believe in God or God’s service or next life. These are the demons. They are thinking that this is the chance for sense enjoyment. Therefore they are trying to save in so many ways and engage the duration of life, as much as possible, varieties of sense gratification. This is demon. They don't know that after this body is finished, everything. So here is an opportunity to enjoy sense gratification. Therefore they are manufacturing so many varieties of sense gratification. They have no hope. And the Christian religion also says that they will go to hell or they will go to heaven. Destined. You have read Bible?

	Devotee:(4) No.		'''Devotee:'''(4) No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So one is destined to go to heaven?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So one is destined to go to heaven?

	Devotee:(4) They’re teaching that.		'''Devotee:'''(4) They’re teaching that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Devotee:(4) They’re teaching that.		'''Devotee:'''(4) They’re teaching that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. That one is destined? Then what is the use of taking to Jesus Christ if I am destined to go to hell?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. That one is destined? Then what is the use of taking to Jesus Christ if I am destined to go to hell?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)		'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)

	Devotee:(1) The bricks are brought in by boat. Very expensive to build things here . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee:'''(1) The bricks are brought in by boat. Very expensive to build things here . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is Americans who can develop such islands. Otherwise . . .

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	These are ''asuras'', very lowborn, less than the ''śūdrās, kirāta-hūṇ'' . . . but they can be also reformed, ''śudhyanti''. They can be reformed. That is our movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.		These are ''asuras'', very lowborn, less than the ''śūdrās, kirāta-hūṇ'' . . . but they can be also reformed, ''śudhyanti''. They can be reformed. That is our movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

	Devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, you said that just like Hiraṇyākṣa, mining, demons drilling for oil, disturbing the floating condition of the earth. What will the result be?		'''Devotee (1):''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, you said that just like Hiraṇyākṣa, mining, demons drilling for oil, disturbing the floating condition of the earth. What will the result be?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The result will be destruction. Ultimately this material world will be destroyed.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The result will be destruction. Ultimately this material world will be destroyed.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that "Gold rush"? Gold rush?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that "Gold rush"? Gold rush?

	Śyāmasundara: Gold rush means to exploit gold from the earth.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' Gold rush means to exploit gold from the earth.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So they are after gold. They created some disturbance. ''Hiraṇya'' means "gold," ''Hiraṇya-akṣa'': "Whose eyes are only on the gold": "Where is gold?" Hiraṇyakaśipu, there is no question of money and women, that’s all. They are demons. The whole world is now full of demons only. They are after money and women, that’s all. Woman does not mean this form of woman. A man also can become women. If the two parties, one party is trying to enjoy the other party, that is man and women. It does not mean the form of women and man. Just like nowadays, in your country, the homosex is also introduced. So people are becoming so much degraded—simply after money and women. Money and women. These are Hiraṇyakaśipu, Hiraṇyākṣa. They will spoil the whole world. And they are spoiling. That is the business of the demons. And our business is to create Vaiṣṇavas in amongst the demons. In Vaikuṇṭha, ''sura-asura acutya''. ''Sura'' and ''asura'', both of them. That is Vaikuṇṭha world. ''Asura'' can also be taught. ''Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ'' ([[SB 2.4.18\|SB 2.4.18]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So they are after gold. They created some disturbance. ''Hiraṇya'' means "gold," ''Hiraṇya-akṣa'': "Whose eyes are only on the gold": "Where is gold?" Hiraṇyakaśipu, there is no question of money and women, that’s all. They are demons. The whole world is now full of demons only. They are after money and women, that’s all. Woman does not mean this form of woman. A man also can become women. If the two parties, one party is trying to enjoy the other party, that is man and women. It does not mean the form of women and man. Just like nowadays, in your country, the homosex is also introduced. So people are becoming so much degraded—simply after money and women. Money and women. These are Hiraṇyakaśipu, Hiraṇyākṣa. They will spoil the whole world. And they are spoiling. That is the business of the demons. And our business is to create Vaiṣṇavas in amongst the demons. In Vaikuṇṭha, ''sura-asura acutya''. ''Sura'' and ''asura'', both of them. That is Vaikuṇṭha world. ''Asura'' can also be taught. ''Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ'' ([[SB 2.4.18\|SB 2.4.18]]).
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hah. Then say that even though one is destined, he can be saved. That should be the philosophy.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hah. Then say that even though one is destined, he can be saved. That should be the philosophy.

	Śyāmasundara: He does. St. Paul does say that. He says it’s a mystery that although we are destined, still we can be saved.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' He does. St. Paul does say that. He says it’s a mystery that although we are destined, still we can be saved.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is reasonable. Taking to shelter of God or God’s son, one is saved. That is reasonable. But what is this philosophy that one is destined to go to hell, one is destined to go to heaven? This philosophy is not very nice. Just like we quoted one verse, ''kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda'': these are destined to go to hell. But ''śudhyanti'', by the association of pure devotees, they can be purified. ''Śudhyanti. Yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā'' ([[SB 2.4.18\|SB 2.4.18]]). However sinful maybe, never mind what is the magnitude of the sinful activities, ''śudhyanti'': he can be purified by the pure devotee. So that is real knowledge. And what is this, that one is destined to go to hell, destined to go to heaven?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is reasonable. Taking to shelter of God or God’s son, one is saved. That is reasonable. But what is this philosophy that one is destined to go to hell, one is destined to go to heaven? This philosophy is not very nice. Just like we quoted one verse, ''kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda'': these are destined to go to hell. But ''śudhyanti'', by the association of pure devotees, they can be purified. ''Śudhyanti. Yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ, ye 'nye ca pāpā'' ([[SB 2.4.18\|SB 2.4.18]]). However sinful maybe, never mind what is the magnitude of the sinful activities, ''śudhyanti'': he can be purified by the pure devotee. So that is real knowledge. And what is this, that one is destined to go to hell, destined to go to heaven?

	Śyāmasundara: (to another devotee) Do you have a Bible? Maybe you should bring it here.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' (to another devotee) Do you have a Bible? Maybe you should bring it here.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There are many. Aurobindo’s . . . Aurobindo’s philosophy is also like that: Once you get human form of life, then you don’t degrade. (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' There are many. Aurobindo’s . . . Aurobindo’s philosophy is also like that: Once you get human form of life, then you don’t degrade. (laughter)
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Their bricks are not so . . . not so, not eleven inches. They are eight inches only.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Their bricks are not so . . . not so, not eleven inches. They are eight inches only.

	Śyāmasundara: Yes, eight inches.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' Yes, eight inches.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)		'''Prabhupāda:''' In India the bricks are eleven inches . . . (indistinct conversation)
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	'''Govinda dāsī:''' (indistinct conversation)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' (indistinct conversation)

	Śyāmasundara: You have got ''ḍābs'' right there.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' You have got ''ḍābs'' right there.

	'''Govinda dāsī:''' They don’t use the coconuts. They pay people to come and . . . (end)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' They don’t use the coconuts. They pay people to come and . . . (end)