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	But he was insisting, "My dear friends, no." ''Kaumāra ācaret prājño'': "This Kṛṣṇa consciousness should be studied, should be understood from the very beginning of boyhood, ''kaumāra''." ''Kaumāra'' means boyhood. From . . . boyhood means from the age of five years. As education begins at the age of five years, similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or ''bhāgavata-dharma'', should be taught to the children as soon as the child is five years old. That is his instruction. "Why so early? We can understand about God later on." No. Prahlāda Mahārāja says, ''durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. Durlabham'', "very rarely." "My dear friends, you have got this human form of life after many, many births."		But he was insisting, "My dear friends, no." ''Kaumāra ācaret prājño'': "This Kṛṣṇa consciousness should be studied, should be understood from the very beginning of boyhood, ''kaumāra''." ''Kaumāra'' means boyhood. From . . . boyhood means from the age of five years. As education begins at the age of five years, similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or ''bhāgavata-dharma'', should be taught to the children as soon as the child is five years old. That is his instruction. "Why so early? We can understand about God later on." No. Prahlāda Mahārāja says, ''durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. Durlabham'', "very rarely." "My dear friends, you have got this human form of life after many, many births."

	The modern civilization, they do not know. The university education, they do not know. The scientist, they do not know. There is a false theory, Darwin's theory, about evolution of species. But that is not perfect knowledge. That is simply an idea taken from ''Purāṇas''. In the ''Purāṇas'', this Darwin's theory is not new to the Vedic knowledge. It is a theory only. But actual fact is different. Actual fact is described in the ''Purāṇas'', where it is described, ''aśītiṁ caturaś caiva lakṣāṁs tāñ jīva-jātiṣu'' (''Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa''). ''Jīva-jāti'', different species of life.		The modern civilization, they do not know. The university education, they do not know. The scientist, they do not know. There is a false theory, Darwin's theory, about evolution of species. But that is not perfect knowledge. That is simply an idea taken from ''Purāṇas''. In the ''Purāṇas'', this Darwin's theory is not new to the Vedic knowledge. It is a theory only. But actual fact is different. Actual fact is described in the ''Purāṇas'', where it is described, ''aśītiṁ caturaś caiva lakṣāṁs tāñ jīva-jātiṣu'' (Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa). ''Jīva-jāti'', different species of life.

	There are 8,400,000's of different species of life. ''Aśītiṁ catura. Aśītim'' means eighty, and ''catura'' means four. Eighty-four, ''lakṣāṁs'', 100,000''. Jīva-jātiṣu'', there are different species of life. They are developing. Because after devastation, the whole universe is filled up with water. So in the water the first living beings are the fishes or the aquatics. Then that fish or aquatic means a living entity embodied by that fish body. Just like we are now, every one of us . . . I am also a soul, you are also a soul. We are embodied by this body, human form of body. Similarly, we had to accept the body of a fish. Because we are in this material world, when there is water only, where shall we go? We must live here in this material . . . unless we are liberated, we must have to live . . . and according to the circumstances, we get different types of body.		There are 8,400,000's of different species of life. ''Aśītiṁ catura. Aśītim'' means eighty, and ''catura'' means four. Eighty-four, ''lakṣāṁs'', 100,000''. Jīva-jātiṣu'', there are different species of life. They are developing. Because after devastation, the whole universe is filled up with water. So in the water the first living beings are the fishes or the aquatics. Then that fish or aquatic means a living entity embodied by that fish body. Just like we are now, every one of us . . . I am also a soul, you are also a soul. We are embodied by this body, human form of body. Similarly, we had to accept the body of a fish. Because we are in this material world, when there is water only, where shall we go? We must live here in this material . . . unless we are liberated, we must have to live . . . and according to the circumstances, we get different types of body.
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	Therefore, about these four things—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—they are common. The special feature of this human form of body is that he has developed consciousness how to understand God. The animal hasn't got this. And the process of understanding God and to revive our relationship with God is called ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is explanation of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. The eating, sleeping, mating, this is also ''dharma''. ''Dharma'' means the activities, constitutional activities. Any man or any animal who has got this body, he must eat. This is also ''dharma''. ''Dharma'' means which we cannot avoid. Because we have become human beings, it is not that we can avoid eating. That is not . . . this is also ''dharma''.		Therefore, about these four things—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—they are common. The special feature of this human form of body is that he has developed consciousness how to understand God. The animal hasn't got this. And the process of understanding God and to revive our relationship with God is called ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is explanation of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. The eating, sleeping, mating, this is also ''dharma''. ''Dharma'' means the activities, constitutional activities. Any man or any animal who has got this body, he must eat. This is also ''dharma''. ''Dharma'' means which we cannot avoid. Because we have become human beings, it is not that we can avoid eating. That is not . . . this is also ''dharma''.

	So this ''dharma'', this practice, this occupation, is visible in animal life and human life. But another thing, the ''dharma'' which we actually mean—means to understand God—that is not visible in animal life. That is not possible. Therefore, ''dharmeṇa hīna paśubhiḥ samānāḥ'' (''Hitopadeśa'' 25): anyone who does not cultivate religious life, he is no better than an animal. He's animal. If you are simply interested with eating, sleeping, mating and defending, nothing more, then this is animal civilization. This is not human civilization.		So this ''dharma'', this practice, this occupation, is visible in animal life and human life. But another thing, the ''dharma'' which we actually mean—means to understand God—that is not visible in animal life. That is not possible. Therefore, ''dharmeṇa hīna paśubhiḥ samānāḥ'' (Hitopadeśa 25): anyone who does not cultivate religious life, he is no better than an animal. He's animal. If you are simply interested with eating, sleeping, mating and defending, nothing more, then this is animal civilization. This is not human civilization.

	So we have got the opportunity. Why we should accept religious life? To get out these . . . out of these material clutches. People do not take it very seriously, but those who are intelligent, they take it seriously. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you'll find that living soul, the living entity or the soul, ''na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit'', ''nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre'' ([[BG 2.20 (1972)\|BG 2.20]]). The living entity, the soul, is never born; it never dies. It is the oldest, ''nityaḥ śāśvataṁ purāṇa. Purāṇa'' means very old; ''nitya'', eternal; ''na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre'', does not die after the destruction of this body. The death and birth is of the body, not of the soul. Therefore when we are actually intelligent, cultured, advanced, then we should be inquisitive that "If I am eternal, then why I am subjected to these tribulations of birth, death, old age and disease?" That is intelligence.		So we have got the opportunity. Why we should accept religious life? To get out these . . . out of these material clutches. People do not take it very seriously, but those who are intelligent, they take it seriously. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you'll find that living soul, the living entity or the soul, ''na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit'', ''nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre'' ([[BG 2.20 (1972)\|BG 2.20]]). The living entity, the soul, is never born; it never dies. It is the oldest, ''nityaḥ śāśvataṁ purāṇa. Purāṇa'' means very old; ''nitya'', eternal; ''na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre'', does not die after the destruction of this body. The death and birth is of the body, not of the soul. Therefore when we are actually intelligent, cultured, advanced, then we should be inquisitive that "If I am eternal, then why I am subjected to these tribulations of birth, death, old age and disease?" That is intelligence.
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	:''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām''		:''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām''
	:''eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān''		:''eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān''
	:(''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13)		:(Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13)

	"God" means He is also a living entity as you are, as I am. As we are sitting, I am speaking, we are face to face, similarly, God is also a person like you, like me. But He is very, very powerful. ''Nityo nitya'' . . . just like here in this material world also I see that you are more powerful than me, and another person is more powerful than you, another person is more powerful than him. If you go on searching, when you find the supreme powerful, that is God. That is God. Supreme powerful.		"God" means He is also a living entity as you are, as I am. As we are sitting, I am speaking, we are face to face, similarly, God is also a person like you, like me. But He is very, very powerful. ''Nityo nitya'' . . . just like here in this material world also I see that you are more powerful than me, and another person is more powerful than you, another person is more powerful than him. If you go on searching, when you find the supreme powerful, that is God. That is God. Supreme powerful.

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	'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)		'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)

	~~Indian~~ '''Guest (2):''' How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?		'''Indian Guest (2):''' How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.

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	'''Indian guest (1):''' (indistinct) . . . scientific advancement. These men try to say that science is discovering how they . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian guest (1):''' (indistinct) . . . scientific advancement. These men try to say that science is discovering how they . . . (indistinct)

	Śyāmasundara: (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"		'''Śyāmasundara:''' (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by scientific advancement?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by scientific advancement?

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	(aside) What is that sound? That sound cannot be stopped?		(aside) What is that sound? That sound cannot be stopped?

	Haṁsadūta: (indistinct) . . . that's the speaker system, Prabhupāda.		'''Haṁsadūta:''' (indistinct) . . . that's the speaker system, Prabhupāda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But this movement is not five hundred years old. It is coming since very, very long time. As we have advertised, ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is part of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. ''Bhāgavata-dharma'' was explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee of Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva, Nārāyaṇa, some millions of years ago. His father was Hiraṇyakaśipu, atheist. He did not believe in God. But by the grace of Nārada Muni, his son, from the very womb of his mother, he was initiated in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and after his birth he became a great devotee.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But this movement is not five hundred years old. It is coming since very, very long time. As we have advertised, ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is part of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. ''Bhāgavata-dharma'' was explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee of Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva, Nārāyaṇa, some millions of years ago. His father was Hiraṇyakaśipu, atheist. He did not believe in God. But by the grace of Nārada Muni, his son, from the very womb of his mother, he was initiated in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and after his birth he became a great devotee.

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	(aside) It is disturbing. This child is . . . (pause)		(aside) It is disturbing. This child is . . . (pause)

	Devotee: If the children are noisy, they can go outside and . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee:''' If the children are noisy, they can go outside and . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So "religion," this English word, is not sufficient translation of the word ''dharma''. Religion . . . according to English language, religion means a kind of faith. You may believe in some faith. Somebody believes in Hindu religion, others may believe in Christian religion. One may become a Christian from Hindu, or from a Hindu to Christian. Generally, we find these changes. But a ''dharma'' does not mean like that. ''Dharma'' means which you cannot change. It is the constitutional part of your life.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So "religion," this English word, is not sufficient translation of the word ''dharma''. Religion . . . according to English language, religion means a kind of faith. You may believe in some faith. Somebody believes in Hindu religion, others may believe in Christian religion. One may become a Christian from Hindu, or from a Hindu to Christian. Generally, we find these changes. But a ''dharma'' does not mean like that. ''Dharma'' means which you cannot change. It is the constitutional part of your life.

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	'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)		'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)

	Indian Guest (2): How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?		Indian '''Guest (2):''' How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?

	Prabhupāda: Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.		Prabhupāda: Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.

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	Prabhupāda: But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.		Prabhupāda: But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

	Devotees: ''Haribol''. (break)		'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)

	Indian Guest (2): How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?		Indian Guest (2): How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?

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	Prabhupāda: I thank you very much for your participating in this ''saṅkīrtana'' movement. This movement was started by Lord Caitanya five hundred years ago in India, West Bengal. (talking in background)		'''Prabhupāda:''' I thank you very much for your participating in this ''saṅkīrtana'' movement. This movement was started by Lord Caitanya five hundred years ago in India, West Bengal. (talking in background)

	(aside) What is that sound? That sound cannot be stopped?		(aside) What is that sound? That sound cannot be stopped?
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	Haṁsadūta: (indistinct) . . . that's the speaker system, Prabhupāda.		Haṁsadūta: (indistinct) . . . that's the speaker system, Prabhupāda.

	Prabhupāda: But this movement is not five hundred years old. It is coming since very, very long time. As we have advertised, ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is part of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. ''Bhāgavata-dharma'' was explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee of Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva, Nārāyaṇa, some millions of years ago. His father was Hiraṇyakaśipu, atheist. He did not believe in God. But by the grace of Nārada Muni, his son, from the very womb of his mother, he was initiated in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and after his birth he became a great devotee.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But this movement is not five hundred years old. It is coming since very, very long time. As we have advertised, ''bhāgavata-dharma''. This is part of ''bhāgavata-dharma''. ''Bhāgavata-dharma'' was explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee of Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva, Nārāyaṇa, some millions of years ago. His father was Hiraṇyakaśipu, atheist. He did not believe in God. But by the grace of Nārada Muni, his son, from the very womb of his mother, he was initiated in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and after his birth he became a great devotee.

	And when he was only five years old he was preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement amongst his class fellows. He was little boy, king's son. He had no opportunity to go out of the palace. Still, he took the opportunity of speaking something about this ''bhāgavata-dharma'' amongst his class fellows. So he was canvassing his class fellows, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." The ''bhāgavata-dharma'' is called . . .		And when he was only five years old he was preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement amongst his class fellows. He was little boy, king's son. He had no opportunity to go out of the palace. Still, he took the opportunity of speaking something about this ''bhāgavata-dharma'' amongst his class fellows. So he was canvassing his class fellows, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." The ''bhāgavata-dharma'' is called . . .
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	Devotee: If the children are noisy, they can go outside and . . . (indistinct)		Devotee: If the children are noisy, they can go outside and . . . (indistinct)

	Prabhupāda: So "religion," this English word, is not sufficient translation of the word ''dharma''. Religion . . . according to English language, religion means a kind of faith. You may believe in some faith. Somebody believes in Hindu religion, others may believe in Christian religion. One may become a Christian from Hindu, or from a Hindu to Christian. Generally, we find these changes. But a ''dharma'' does not mean like that. ''Dharma'' means which you cannot change. It is the constitutional part of your life.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So "religion," this English word, is not sufficient translation of the word ''dharma''. Religion . . . according to English language, religion means a kind of faith. You may believe in some faith. Somebody believes in Hindu religion, others may believe in Christian religion. One may become a Christian from Hindu, or from a Hindu to Christian. Generally, we find these changes. But a ''dharma'' does not mean like that. ''Dharma'' means which you cannot change. It is the constitutional part of your life.

	So ''Bhāgavata'' says, ''dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra'' ([[SB 1.1.2\|SB 1.1.2]]). ''Dharma'', the so-called religion, ''kaitava'', which is cheating. ''Kaitava'' means cheating. ''Dharmaḥ projjhita. Projjhita'' means ''prakṛṣṭa-rūpeṇa ujjhita'': thrown away, kicked away. ''Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satām''. So there are different kinds of ''dharmas'', faith. But what is real ''dharma'', real religion? Real religion is, as described in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', ''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam'' ([[SB 6.3.19\|SB 6.3.19]]). Real religion is the codes which is given by God.		So ''Bhāgavata'' says, ''dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra'' ([[SB 1.1.2\|SB 1.1.2]]). ''Dharma'', the so-called religion, ''kaitava'', which is cheating. ''Kaitava'' means cheating. ''Dharmaḥ projjhita. Projjhita'' means ''prakṛṣṭa-rūpeṇa ujjhita'': thrown away, kicked away. ''Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satām''. So there are different kinds of ''dharmas'', faith. But what is real ''dharma'', real religion? Real religion is, as described in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', ''dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam'' ([[SB 6.3.19\|SB 6.3.19]]). Real religion is the codes which is given by God.
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	Śyāmasundara: (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"		Śyāmasundara: (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"

	Prabhupāda: What do you mean by scientific advancement?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by scientific advancement?

	'''Indian guest (1):''' Well, material advancement . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Well, material advancement . . .

	Prabhupāda: Material means it is to be finished. Where is the advancement? You do not want to die, but why you die? Where is your advancement?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Material means it is to be finished. Where is the advancement? You do not want to die, but why you die? Where is your advancement?

	'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I fully agree with your interpretation of ''Bhāgavata'', but the comparison between Darwin's discoveries and what is mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', I don't agree with that. Because it is already mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', but Swāmījī, you are from a different point of view. So . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I fully agree with your interpretation of ''Bhāgavata'', but the comparison between Darwin's discoveries and what is mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', I don't agree with that. Because it is already mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', but Swāmījī, you are from a different point of view. So . . .

	Prabhupāda: No, that is a wrong theory. Therefore we say. That is a wrong theory. Darwin is studying this body. He does not know . . . he has no information of the soul; therefore his knowledge is imperfect. His theory is imperfect. It is a long subject matter. If you want to discuss, you come; we shall discuss. It is a wrong theory. That is not scientific advancement.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that is a wrong theory. Therefore we say. That is a wrong theory. Darwin is studying this body. He does not know . . . he has no information of the soul; therefore his knowledge is imperfect. His theory is imperfect. It is a long subject matter. If you want to discuss, you come; we shall discuss. It is a wrong theory. That is not scientific advancement.

	Science means it must be correct. That is science. If science is theory, that is not science. So Darwin is advocating his theory, "May be like this," "Perhaps like this." This "perhaps," "maybe" is not science. This is only suggestion. We have to deal with the facts. That is science.		Science means it must be correct. That is science. If science is theory, that is not science. So Darwin is advocating his theory, "May be like this," "Perhaps like this." This "perhaps," "maybe" is not science. This is only suggestion. We have to deal with the facts. That is science.
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	'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but as you say, there are two ways of reaching the God: either through the study of ''Vedas'' up to . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but as you say, there are two ways of reaching the God: either through the study of ''Vedas'' up to . . .

	Prabhupāda: Yes. Through study of ''Vedas'', not study something nonsense. Study of ''Vedas''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Through study of ''Vedas'', not study something nonsense. Study of ''Vedas''.

	'''Indian guest (1):''' That is up to the level of self-analysis, because it is that time when we compare.		'''Indian guest (1):''' That is up to the level of self-analysis, because it is that time when we compare.

	Prabhupāda: Yes. Self-analysis, if you analyze yourself, if you think yourself, meditate, study your finger, "Am I this finger?" the answer will be, "No. My finger." "Am I this hand?" Then the answer will be, "No, it is my hand." Then where is "I"?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Self-analysis, if you analyze yourself, if you think yourself, meditate, study your finger, "Am I this finger?" the answer will be, "No. My finger." "Am I this hand?" Then the answer will be, "No, it is my hand." Then where is "I"?

	'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, that is the ultimate . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, that is the ultimate . . .

	Prabhupāda: That is . . . that is . . . if you can study "I," then it is scientific. Simply "my" is not scientific. That is, child knows, "It is my finger."		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is . . . that is . . . if you can study "I," then it is scientific. Simply "my" is not scientific. That is, child knows, "It is my finger."

	'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but, I mean, it is a further word to study oneself.		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but, I mean, it is a further word to study oneself.

	Prabhupāda: That further means when you come to the conclusion that, "I am spirit soul." If you can understand this, then it is scientific. If you remain in ignorance that, "I am this body," that is not scientific. Actually, I am not this body. Everyone can understand. Just like a dead man. Suppose some of your relative has died. You are crying, "Oh, my friend has gone. My friend has gone." Your friend is lying there.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That further means when you come to the conclusion that, "I am spirit soul." If you can understand this, then it is scientific. If you remain in ignorance that, "I am this body," that is not scientific. Actually, I am not this body. Everyone can understand. Just like a dead man. Suppose some of your relative has died. You are crying, "Oh, my friend has gone. My friend has gone." Your friend is lying there.

	Why you say that, "My friend has gone"? What is the answer? If I say . . . the dead body, you are crying, "Oh, my relative has gone. My father is gone," or some . . . I say: "Where he has gone? He is there. Why you are crying?" Then what will be your answer?		Why you say that, "My friend has gone"? What is the answer? If I say . . . the dead body, you are crying, "Oh, my relative has gone. My father is gone," or some . . . I say: "Where he has gone? He is there. Why you are crying?" Then what will be your answer?
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	'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I mean that that is the ultimate scheme for . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I mean that that is the ultimate scheme for . . .

	Prabhupāda: But that you understand, that that . . . what is that? What is that? You have never seen your father or friend. You have seen this body. Now you are crying, "Now he has gone." Why he has gone? You have seen the body all along. That is lying here. Why you say he has gone? What is your answer? This is ignorance. All along I am seeing the false thing: "He is my father; I am the body."		'''Prabhupāda:''' But that you understand, that that . . . what is that? What is that? You have never seen your father or friend. You have seen this body. Now you are crying, "Now he has gone." Why he has gone? You have seen the body all along. That is lying here. Why you say he has gone? What is your answer? This is ignorance. All along I am seeing the false thing: "He is my father; I am the body."

	But he's not my father. Actually, when father, my, goes away from this body, I cry, "Oh, my father has gone." Where he has gone? His . . . the body is there. This is ignorance. That, it is not scientific. Because I'm thinking, "I am this body," this is not scientific. This is ignorance.		But he's not my father. Actually, when father, my, goes away from this body, I cry, "Oh, my father has gone." Where he has gone? His . . . the body is there. This is ignorance. That, it is not scientific. Because I'm thinking, "I am this body," this is not scientific. This is ignorance.
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	'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but by average person it is very difficult to reach the light . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but by average person it is very difficult to reach the light . . .

	Prabhupāda: But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)		'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)
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	Indian '''Guest (2):''' How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?		Indian '''Guest (2):''' How does repeating one word, "Kṛṣṇa," or singing "Rāma" and "Kṛṣṇa" help achieving the way?

	Prabhupāda: Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Because you'll be in touch with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name not different, because Kṛṣṇa is absolute. So you see, these Europeans and American boys and girls, simply by chanting how they are advancing in spiritual consciousness. This is practical, not theoretical. "Kṛṣṇa" means Kṛṣṇa. Just like here in this material world, if I want to drink water, if I say: "water, water, water," that will not satisfy me. I want the substance water. So here there is difference between the name and the substance. But in the absolute world there is no such difference. ''Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.133\|CC Madhya 17.133]]). Kṛṣṇa the person and Kṛṣṇa's name the same thing.

	Therefore if you chant "Kṛṣṇa," then you are in direct touch with Kṛṣṇa. So that will help you for your spiritual advancement. Just like if you are in touch with fire you will get yourself warmer, warmer and warmer, and at last you'll get red fire. Similarly, if we are in touch with Kṛṣṇa, then we advance spiritually, and then we become completely spiritualized, our original Brahman. This is the process. Simple process. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and you'll gradually develop your spiritual consciousness. That is actually happening. It is not story. You can see practically how they are spiritually advancing.		Therefore if you chant "Kṛṣṇa," then you are in direct touch with Kṛṣṇa. So that will help you for your spiritual advancement. Just like if you are in touch with fire you will get yourself warmer, warmer and warmer, and at last you'll get red fire. Similarly, if we are in touch with Kṛṣṇa, then we advance spiritually, and then we become completely spiritualized, our original Brahman. This is the process. Simple process. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and you'll gradually develop your spiritual consciousness. That is actually happening. It is not story. You can see practically how they are spiritually advancing.

	So why not experiment yourself? What is the loss? If you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, is there any loss? Tell me, is there any loss? But why don't you do it? Why not make a try? Instead of arguing, you see practically what is happening. They are of different civilization, different culture. How they are developing their Kṛṣṇa consciousness? How it is possible? Simply by chanting. This is practical. Throughout the whole world—in Africa, in America, in Canada—everywhere. So this is very simple process. But people will waste their time by arguing. Why not make an experiment and see what is the result? That is our propaganda. (end)		So why not experiment yourself? What is the loss? If you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, is there any loss? Tell me, is there any loss? But why don't you do it? Why not make a try? Instead of arguing, you see practically what is happening. They are of different civilization, different culture. How they are developing their Kṛṣṇa consciousness? How it is possible? Simply by chanting. This is practical. Throughout the whole world—in Africa, in America, in Canada—everywhere. So this is very simple process. But people will waste their time by arguing. Why not make an experiment and see what is the result? That is our propaganda. (end)

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	Thank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (devotees offer obeisances) (break)		Thank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (devotees offer obeisances) (break)

	Indian guest (1): (indistinct) . . . scientific advancement. These men try to say that science is discovering how they . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian guest (1):''' (indistinct) . . . scientific advancement. These men try to say that science is discovering how they . . . (indistinct)

	Śyāmasundara: (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"		Śyāmasundara: (explaining question) "Is it safe to compare scientific advancement with ''Bhāgavata'', like Darwin and ''Bhāgavatam''?"
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	Prabhupāda: What do you mean by scientific advancement?		Prabhupāda: What do you mean by scientific advancement?

	Indian guest (1): Well, material advancement . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Well, material advancement . . .

	Prabhupāda: Material means it is to be finished. Where is the advancement? You do not want to die, but why you die? Where is your advancement?		Prabhupāda: Material means it is to be finished. Where is the advancement? You do not want to die, but why you die? Where is your advancement?

	Indian guest (1): No, I fully agree with your interpretation of ''Bhāgavata'', but the comparison between Darwin's discoveries and what is mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', I don't agree with that. Because it is already mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', but Swāmījī, you are from a different point of view. So . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I fully agree with your interpretation of ''Bhāgavata'', but the comparison between Darwin's discoveries and what is mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', I don't agree with that. Because it is already mentioned in ''Bhāgavata'', but Swāmījī, you are from a different point of view. So . . .

	Prabhupāda: No, that is a wrong theory. Therefore we say. That is a wrong theory. Darwin is studying this body. He does not know . . . he has no information of the soul; therefore his knowledge is imperfect. His theory is imperfect. It is a long subject matter. If you want to discuss, you come; we shall discuss. It is a wrong theory. That is not scientific advancement.		Prabhupāda: No, that is a wrong theory. Therefore we say. That is a wrong theory. Darwin is studying this body. He does not know . . . he has no information of the soul; therefore his knowledge is imperfect. His theory is imperfect. It is a long subject matter. If you want to discuss, you come; we shall discuss. It is a wrong theory. That is not scientific advancement.
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	Science means it must be correct. That is science. If science is theory, that is not science. So Darwin is advocating his theory, "May be like this," "Perhaps like this." This "perhaps," "maybe" is not science. This is only suggestion. We have to deal with the facts. That is science.		Science means it must be correct. That is science. If science is theory, that is not science. So Darwin is advocating his theory, "May be like this," "Perhaps like this." This "perhaps," "maybe" is not science. This is only suggestion. We have to deal with the facts. That is science.

	Indian guest (1): Yes, but as you say, there are two ways of reaching the God: either through the study of ''Vedas'' up to . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but as you say, there are two ways of reaching the God: either through the study of ''Vedas'' up to . . .

	Prabhupāda: Yes. Through study of ''Vedas'', not study something nonsense. Study of ''Vedas''.		Prabhupāda: Yes. Through study of ''Vedas'', not study something nonsense. Study of ''Vedas''.

	Indian guest (1): That is up to the level of self-analysis, because it is that time when we compare.		'''Indian guest (1):''' That is up to the level of self-analysis, because it is that time when we compare.

	Prabhupāda: Yes. Self-analysis, if you analyze yourself, if you think yourself, meditate, study your finger, "Am I this finger?" the answer will be, "No. My finger." "Am I this hand?" Then the answer will be, "No, it is my hand." Then where is "I"?		Prabhupāda: Yes. Self-analysis, if you analyze yourself, if you think yourself, meditate, study your finger, "Am I this finger?" the answer will be, "No. My finger." "Am I this hand?" Then the answer will be, "No, it is my hand." Then where is "I"?

	Indian guest (1): Yes, that is the ultimate . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, that is the ultimate . . .

	Prabhupāda: That is . . . that is . . . if you can study "I," then it is scientific. Simply "my" is not scientific. That is, child knows, "It is my finger."		Prabhupāda: That is . . . that is . . . if you can study "I," then it is scientific. Simply "my" is not scientific. That is, child knows, "It is my finger."

	Indian guest (1): Yes, but, I mean, it is a further word to study oneself.		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but, I mean, it is a further word to study oneself.

	Prabhupāda: That further means when you come to the conclusion that, "I am spirit soul." If you can understand this, then it is scientific. If you remain in ignorance that, "I am this body," that is not scientific. Actually, I am not this body. Everyone can understand. Just like a dead man. Suppose some of your relative has died. You are crying, "Oh, my friend has gone. My friend has gone." Your friend is lying there.		Prabhupāda: That further means when you come to the conclusion that, "I am spirit soul." If you can understand this, then it is scientific. If you remain in ignorance that, "I am this body," that is not scientific. Actually, I am not this body. Everyone can understand. Just like a dead man. Suppose some of your relative has died. You are crying, "Oh, my friend has gone. My friend has gone." Your friend is lying there.
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	Why you say that, "My friend has gone"? What is the answer? If I say . . . the dead body, you are crying, "Oh, my relative has gone. My father is gone," or some . . . I say: "Where he has gone? He is there. Why you are crying?" Then what will be your answer?		Why you say that, "My friend has gone"? What is the answer? If I say . . . the dead body, you are crying, "Oh, my relative has gone. My father is gone," or some . . . I say: "Where he has gone? He is there. Why you are crying?" Then what will be your answer?

	Indian guest (1): No, I mean that that is the ultimate scheme for . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' No, I mean that that is the ultimate scheme for . . .

	Prabhupāda: But that you understand, that that . . . what is that? What is that? You have never seen your father or friend. You have seen this body. Now you are crying, "Now he has gone." Why he has gone? You have seen the body all along. That is lying here. Why you say he has gone? What is your answer? This is ignorance. All along I am seeing the false thing: "He is my father; I am the body."		Prabhupāda: But that you understand, that that . . . what is that? What is that? You have never seen your father or friend. You have seen this body. Now you are crying, "Now he has gone." Why he has gone? You have seen the body all along. That is lying here. Why you say he has gone? What is your answer? This is ignorance. All along I am seeing the false thing: "He is my father; I am the body."
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	So in this way you have to study. But the answer is there in the Vedic literature: ''tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). "My father has accepted another body," this is scientific. ''Dhīra'', one who is sober, he is not lamenting. Just like your child, from babyhood it becomes grown-up, or acts in another way. You are not crying, "Where is that body of my child, that baby body? Where he has gone?" But you know that he has transferred to this body. Similarly, when you get this knowledge that, "My father has left this body, he has accepted another body, although it is not visible," that is knowledge. That is scientific.		So in this way you have to study. But the answer is there in the Vedic literature: ''tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). "My father has accepted another body," this is scientific. ''Dhīra'', one who is sober, he is not lamenting. Just like your child, from babyhood it becomes grown-up, or acts in another way. You are not crying, "Where is that body of my child, that baby body? Where he has gone?" But you know that he has transferred to this body. Similarly, when you get this knowledge that, "My father has left this body, he has accepted another body, although it is not visible," that is knowledge. That is scientific.

	Indian guest (1): Yes, but by average person it is very difficult to reach the light . . .		'''Indian guest (1):''' Yes, but by average person it is very difficult to reach the light . . .

	Prabhupāda: But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.		Prabhupāda: But therefore he has to study. Every rascal, fool, he has to study. There is education. Therefore Vedic literature is there. If you don't study and you see . . . if you say: "I am scientific advanced," then what is this nonsense? If you have no knowledge, if you have no study, why do you say: "I am scientific"? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.