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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . and if we repeat that, what is our fault? (laughter) <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Kyu ji?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What did you say?)</span> Caturbhuja. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Isme humara dosh kya hai?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What is our fault with this?)</span> We say Kṛṣṇa said that, "He is a rascal who does not surrender unto Me." (laughs) Kṛṣṇa has chastised in so many places. ''Tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān kṣipāmy ajasram'' . . . (indistinct) . . . ([[BG 16.19 (1972)\|BG 16.19]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . and if we repeat that, what is our fault? (laughter) <span style="color:#ec710e">Kyu ji?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What did you say?)</span> Caturbhuja. <span style="color:#ec710e">Isme humara dosh kya hai?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What is our fault with this?)</span> We say Kṛṣṇa said that, "He is a rascal who does not surrender unto Me." (laughs) Kṛṣṇa has chastised in so many places. ''Tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān kṣipāmy ajasram'' . . . (indistinct) . . . ([[BG 16.19 (1972)\|BG 16.19]]).

	"Those who are envious, like that, I put them in the darkest region of hellish condition." (laughter) Kṛṣṇa says like that. Another place He says, ''avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā'' ([[BG 9.11 (1972)\|BG 9.11]]): "A person who is rascal, he considers Me as ordinary human being." (break)		"Those who are envious, like that, I put them in the darkest region of hellish condition." (laughter) Kṛṣṇa says like that. Another place He says, ''avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā'' ([[BG 9.11 (1972)\|BG 9.11]]): "A person who is rascal, he considers Me as ordinary human being." (break)

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	But this philosophy Kṛṣṇa immediately kicked out. ''Kutas tvā kaśmalam idaṁ viṣame samupasthitam'' ([[BG 2.2 (1972)\|BG 2.2]]): "Oh, why you are talking nonsense like this?" That was His answer. (laughs) And next He said, ''aśocyān anvaśocas tvam prajñā-vādāṁś ca'' ([[BG 2.11 (1972)\|BG 2.11]]), "You are talking just like a very learned man, but this kind of lamentation is not done by any learned man. That means you are fool number one." (laughter)		But this philosophy Kṛṣṇa immediately kicked out. ''Kutas tvā kaśmalam idaṁ viṣame samupasthitam'' ([[BG 2.2 (1972)\|BG 2.2]]): "Oh, why you are talking nonsense like this?" That was His answer. (laughs) And next He said, ''aśocyān anvaśocas tvam prajñā-vādāṁś ca'' ([[BG 2.11 (1972)\|BG 2.11]]), "You are talking just like a very learned man, but this kind of lamentation is not done by any learned man. That means you are fool number one." (laughter)

	So after understanding ''Bhagavad-gītā'' he agreed to fight: "Yes. I shall fight." That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now people will say, "Oh, fighting, killing is Kṛṣṇa consciousness?" Yes, Kṛṣṇa wants it. To . . . therefore our business is not in the estimation of this material world to become a good man. Our estimation is how Kṛṣṇa will accept me as good man, that's all. We don't care for this world. Just like ''gopīs'', they left their husband, they left their father, went to Kṛṣṇa. What is this philosophy? They wanted to satisfy Kṛṣṇa, not their father, brother.		So after understanding ''Bhagavad-gītā'' he agreed to fight: "Yes. I shall fight." That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now people will say, "Oh, fighting, killing is Kṛṣṇa consciousness?" Yes, Kṛṣṇa wants it. To . . . therefore our business is not in the estimation of this material world to become a good man. Our estimation is how Kṛṣṇa will accept me as good man, that's all. We don't care for this world. Just like gopīs, they left their husband, they left their father, went to Kṛṣṇa. What is this philosophy? They wanted to satisfy Kṛṣṇa, not their father, brother.

	Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: "This is the highest worship." ''Ramyā kācid upāsanā vrajavadhū-vargeṇa yā kalpitā'' (Caitanya-manjusa). There is no greater, or topmost sample of worship than the ''gopīs'' did. Because their only purpose was to serve Kṛṣṇa, unalloyed, without being disturbed by any other consideration. That is highest perfection—how to serve Kṛṣṇa. How Kṛṣṇa will be pleased.		Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: "This is the highest worship." ''Ramyā kācid upāsanā vrajavadhū-vargeṇa yā kalpitā'' (Caitanya-manjusa). There is no greater, or topmost sample of worship than the gopīs did. Because their only purpose was to serve Kṛṣṇa, unalloyed, without being disturbed by any other consideration. That is highest perfection—how to serve Kṛṣṇa. How Kṛṣṇa will be pleased.

	So at the present moment the best service to render for Kṛṣṇa is that . . . Kṛṣṇa . . . when I speak of Kṛṣṇa, means God, the Supreme Lord. The whole rascal world, they have given up God consciousness. They have become rascal. Therefore to teach them about Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the best service at the present moment. Because the whole world—the so-called politician, so-called scientist, so-called philosopher—they're all rascals. They have forgotten God. We, we call them directly, they're all rascals, ''mūḍhā'', ''duṣkṛtina mūḍhā''. All sinful, all rascals, because they have no information of God, Kṛṣṇa.		So at the present moment the best service to render for Kṛṣṇa is that . . . Kṛṣṇa . . . when I speak of Kṛṣṇa, means God, the Supreme Lord. The whole rascal world, they have given up God consciousness. They have become rascal. Therefore to teach them about Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the best service at the present moment. Because the whole world—the so-called politician, so-called scientist, so-called philosopher—they're all rascals. They have forgotten God. We, we call them directly, they're all rascals, ''mūḍhā'', ''duṣkṛtina mūḍhā''. All sinful, all rascals, because they have no information of God, Kṛṣṇa.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.

	Kulaśekhara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, he used to be a shepherd in France.		'''Kulaśekhara:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, he used to be a shepherd in France.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	Kulaśekhara: He used to be a shepherd three years ago. He lived as a shepherd for some years. And, ah, he was with a Muslim man who was telling him about ''sac-cid-ānanda'', explaining to him about the philosophy of ''sac-cid and ānanda'', about the soul and the spirit. So, in explained—that's when I first met him—he said: "I may appear to you that I'm a businessman, but also I've been living as a shepherd."		'''Kulaśekhara:''' He used to be a shepherd three years ago. He lived as a shepherd for some years. And, ah, he was with a Muslim man who was telling him about ''sac-cid-ānanda'', explaining to him about the philosophy of ''sac-cid and ānanda'', about the soul and the spirit. So, in explained—that's when I first met him—he said: "I may appear to you that I'm a businessman, but also I've been living as a shepherd."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So you can read our ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''. You have got?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So you can read our ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''. You have got?
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	'''Śyāmasundara:''' I think he has been also well educated. He understands the truth.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' I think he has been also well educated. He understands the truth.

	Kulaśekhara: Did you go to ''ārati''?		'''Kulaśekhara:''' Did you go to ''ārati''?

	'''Ian Polsen:''' No.		'''Ian Polsen:''' No.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is going on. So what is the duty?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is going on. So what is the duty?

	Dhanañjaya: The duty is to serve Kṛṣṇa.		'''Dhanañjaya:''' The duty is to serve Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is the real duty. But people do not know that. They are manufacturing their duty. A big man like Gandhi, he also manufactured his duty, but he does not know what is the duty. He never preached Kṛṣṇa consciousness, therefore he does not know his duty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is the real duty. But people do not know that. They are manufacturing their duty. A big man like Gandhi, he also manufactured his duty, but he does not know what is the duty. He never preached Kṛṣṇa consciousness, therefore he does not know his duty.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh? Yes. He has no other idea. Just like here in this material world the highest pleasure is sex life, so they are changing, different types of sex life, that's all. (break) We have no objection. We want to see that you are lover of God. God is one. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian. So we want to see that you love God, that's all. That is our mission. You are forget . . . (break) You understand little Bengali?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh? Yes. He has no other idea. Just like here in this material world the highest pleasure is sex life, so they are changing, different types of sex life, that's all. (break) We have no objection. We want to see that you are lover of God. God is one. God is neither Hindu nor Muslim nor Christian. So we want to see that you love God, that's all. That is our mission. You are forget . . . (break) You understand little Bengali?

	Guest: Oh, yes.		'''Guest:''' Oh, yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:'''		'''Prabhupāda:'''

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	They think it is movement. No. They have taken the real occupation—serving Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they are receptive. When one is normally situated, naturally he feels happy and he's healthy. When in the diseased condition, he cannot be happy. When the disease is gone, in healthy condition, naturally you'll be happy.		They think it is movement. No. They have taken the real occupation—serving Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they are receptive. When one is normally situated, naturally he feels happy and he's healthy. When in the diseased condition, he cannot be happy. When the disease is gone, in healthy condition, naturally you'll be happy.

	Indian man: Prabhupāda, is it to say it is a way of life or an aim of life?		'''Indian man:''' Prabhupāda, is it to say it is a way of life or an aim of life?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?

	Indian man: Way of life or aim of life?		'''Indian man:''' Way of life or aim of life?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The aim is that you must get free from your diseased condition. That should be the aim. It is not the way of life. You must get free yourself from the diseased condition. That is not a way of life, that is a must. If you want to be free from diseased condition, you must treat yourself properly. The treating is . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' The aim is that you must get free from your diseased condition. That should be the aim. It is not the way of life. You must get free yourself from the diseased condition. That is not a way of life, that is a must. If you want to be free from diseased condition, you must treat yourself properly. The treating is . . .
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is . . . that is temporary. Suppose a scientist has discovered this nice lamp. So I give him credit, but I can do without this lamp. It is not very necessary. (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is . . . that is temporary. Suppose a scientist has discovered this nice lamp. So I give him credit, but I can do without this lamp. It is not very necessary. (laughter)

	Indian man: The modern science is medicine.		'''Indian man:''' The modern science is medicine.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	Indian man: Medical science.		'''Indian man:''' Medical science.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What medical science? Can they stop disease? What is the value? If they can stop disease then I can accept that they know something. What is their . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' What medical science? Can they stop disease? What is the value? If they can stop disease then I can accept that they know something. What is their . . .
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	Our philosophy is that there is no necessity of wasting time for economic development. Be satisfied whatever Kṛṣṇa has given you. That's all right. Be satisfied according to your position, save time, and be Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the verdict of the ''śāstra''. Because your happiness and distress is already fixed up. According to the body you have got it. You cannot change that. You cannot change that.		Our philosophy is that there is no necessity of wasting time for economic development. Be satisfied whatever Kṛṣṇa has given you. That's all right. Be satisfied according to your position, save time, and be Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the verdict of the ''śāstra''. Because your happiness and distress is already fixed up. According to the body you have got it. You cannot change that. You cannot change that.

	Indian man: Prabhupāda, I may be wrong here, but Lord Kṛṣṇa has given human being brain, mind . . .		'''Indian man:''' Prabhupāda, I may be wrong here, but Lord Kṛṣṇa has given human being brain, mind . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But misuse it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But misuse it.

	Indian man: No, if we use it properly.		'''Indian man:''' No, if we use it properly.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But he does not know. That is . . . therefore we call these rascal. Why we are calling these scientists, philosophers, politician rascal? Because they have got brain, but they're misusing. Therefore they have been called ''duṣkṛtinaḥ''. You have got brain; you can utilize it for smuggling and you can utilize it also how to understand Kṛṣṇa. The same brain.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But he does not know. That is . . . therefore we call these rascal. Why we are calling these scientists, philosophers, politician rascal? Because they have got brain, but they're misusing. Therefore they have been called ''duṣkṛtinaḥ''. You have got brain; you can utilize it for smuggling and you can utilize it also how to understand Kṛṣṇa. The same brain.

	Indian man: But the development of mankind . . .		'''Indian man:''' But the development of mankind . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Development . . . if you become miscreants by utilizing your better brain, then what is the use? You are going to hell. This brain has no meaning. MIsuse of brain. Brain means to understand Kṛṣṇa. That is brain.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Development . . . if you become miscreants by utilizing your better brain, then what is the use? You are going to hell. This brain has no meaning. MIsuse of brain. Brain means to understand Kṛṣṇa. That is brain.

	Indian man: Yes. Perform his duty.		'''Indian man:''' Yes. Perform his duty.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He does not know what is his duty. He talks of so many big, big things, duty. But if I ask, "What is your duty?" he cannot explain. So these things will not help. Simply . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' He does not know what is his duty. He talks of so many big, big things, duty. But if I ask, "What is your duty?" he cannot explain. So these things will not help. Simply . . .

	Indian man: Every man in this world, every being in this world have got a duty, performance, object . . .		'''Indian man:''' Every man in this world, every being in this world have got a duty, performance, object . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But first of all say what is your duty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But first of all say what is your duty.

	Indian man: Duty of the soul.		'''Indian man:''' Duty of the soul.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh? What is your duty? If I ask you: "What is your duty?" what is your answer?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh? What is your duty? If I ask you: "What is your duty?" what is your answer?

	Indian man: Lead a good life, develop soul, and, ah, be honest, sincere to people, and, ah . . .		'''Indian man:''' Lead a good life, develop soul, and, ah, be honest, sincere to people, and, ah . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' These are simply words, but you cannot say what is your duty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' These are simply words, but you cannot say what is your duty.

	Indian man: To serve, Lord Kṛṣṇa.		'''Indian man:''' To serve, Lord Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So, why don't you do that? (laughter) That is real duty, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So, why don't you do that? (laughter) That is real duty, yes.

	Indian man: So we agree.		'''Indian man:''' So we agree.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We are teaching that it is your . . . this your duty. Our so-called material duties as we have done, "This is my duty," that is called ''dharma''. But Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]): "You give up your all nonsense duty." (laughter) Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' We are teaching that it is your . . . this your duty. Our so-called material duties as we have done, "This is my duty," that is called ''dharma''. But Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]): "You give up your all nonsense duty." (laughter) Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya.''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Give up your all nonsense duty. Kṛṣṇa says. So your first duty is to give up your nonsense duty. (laughter) That is your first duty. That "You have concocted so many duties, but please give up all these ideas," that is your first duty. Everyone has manufactured his duty. Just like in our country all the leaders, they thought, "It is my duty," and every other country also, "take to politics." Huh? But people did not become happy. Rather, they were so unhappy that a great leader like Gandhi was killed. But he thought, "I am doing my duty." But why he was killed?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Give up your all nonsense duty. Kṛṣṇa says. So your first duty is to give up your nonsense duty. (laughter) That is your first duty. That "You have concocted so many duties, but please give up all these ideas," that is your first duty. Everyone has manufactured his duty. Just like in our country all the leaders, they thought, "It is my duty," and every other country also, "take to politics." Huh? But people did not become happy. Rather, they were so unhappy that a great leader like Gandhi was killed. But he thought, "I am doing my duty." But why he was killed?

	Indian man: T’is inevitable.		'''Indian man:''' T’is inevitable.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	Indian man: It was inevitable. Someway or other he has to be . . .		'''Indian man:''' It was inevitable. Someway or other he has to be . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But inevitable means . . . inevitable, that's all right, but as you are speaking of duty, so Gandhi was working his duty, but other man killed him. He thought that, "You are not doing your duty."		'''Prabhupāda:''' But inevitable means . . . inevitable, that's all right, but as you are speaking of duty, so Gandhi was working his duty, but other man killed him. He thought that, "You are not doing your duty."
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	We are speaking, "Here Kṛṣṇa says surrender. You surrender unto Kṛṣṇa." That's all. Simple thing. We don't manufacture duty. We are servant of Kṛṣṇa. Our duty is to say people, "Here Kṛṣṇa says ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). You become His devotee, you always think of Him, you offer Him obeisances." Our simple duty.		We are speaking, "Here Kṛṣṇa says surrender. You surrender unto Kṛṣṇa." That's all. Simple thing. We don't manufacture duty. We are servant of Kṛṣṇa. Our duty is to say people, "Here Kṛṣṇa says ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). You become His devotee, you always think of Him, you offer Him obeisances." Our simple duty.

	Indian man: Prabhupāda, yes, that's the way, but we ". . . (indistinct) . . . that is, to love Thy creation." We cannot see Kṛṣṇa straightaway. But human beings, the medium to love His creation.		'''Indian man:''' Prabhupāda, yes, that's the way, but we ". . . (indistinct) . . . that is, to love Thy creation." We cannot see Kṛṣṇa straightaway. But human beings, the medium to love His creation.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You are also talking. Kṛṣṇa says: "You surrender unto Me." If say: "Surrender to Kṛṣṇa," what is the difficulty?		'''Prabhupāda:''' You are also talking. Kṛṣṇa says: "You surrender unto Me." If say: "Surrender to Kṛṣṇa," what is the difficulty?

	Indian man: No difficulties.		'''Indian man:''' No difficulties.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why are you manufacturing words? Why don't you go in the simple way? Why you are manufacturing in your own way? This is simple thing. Kṛṣṇa says: "Surrender unto Me." You serve Kṛṣṇa, speak to people, "Surrender to Kṛṣṇa."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why are you manufacturing words? Why don't you go in the simple way? Why you are manufacturing in your own way? This is simple thing. Kṛṣṇa says: "Surrender unto Me." You serve Kṛṣṇa, speak to people, "Surrender to Kṛṣṇa."

	It is simple. Why you are manufacturing words? That is the disease. The Gandhi did like that. Tilak did like that. (break) (end)		It is simple. Why you are manufacturing words? That is the disease. The Gandhi did like that. Tilak did like that. (break) (end)

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