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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Why not? They will also hear. They will be benefited. Yes. Haridāsa Ṭhākura used to do that. What to speak of human being, even animals, the insect, trees, if they hear, they will be benefited. It is so nice.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Why not? They will also hear. They will be benefited. Yes. Haridāsa Ṭhākura used to do that. What to speak of human being, even animals, the insect, trees, if they hear, they will be benefited. It is so nice.

	(aside as guests enter) <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Aiye. Ācchā.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please come. Okay.)</span> ''Jaya''.		(aside as guests enter) <span style="color:#ec710e">Aiye. Ācchā.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please come. Okay.)</span> ''Jaya''.

	Whoever hears, he will be benefited. Just like sunshine—anyone comes in the sunshine, he will be benefited.		Whoever hears, he will be benefited. Just like sunshine—anyone comes in the sunshine, he will be benefited.
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	(break) . . . such. That means you are all gentlemen. (laughter) But not a single gentleman. It is to be supposed everyone is . . . (indistinct) . . . that means they are not a single gentleman.		(break) . . . such. That means you are all gentlemen. (laughter) But not a single gentleman. It is to be supposed everyone is . . . (indistinct) . . . that means they are not a single gentleman.

	<span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Aiye . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Come . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> (aside to devotee) You can bring one notebook so that all the gentlemen present, they can leave their names and addresses.		<span style="color:#ec710e">Aiye . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Come . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> (aside to devotee) You can bring one notebook so that all the gentlemen present, they can leave their names and addresses.

	(break) . . . movement there is a great potency. Do you realize or not?		(break) . . . movement there is a great potency. Do you realize or not?

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	'''Śyāmasundara:''' London is the world's center.		'''Śyāmasundara:''' London is the world's center.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' First-class center. This so important city, and we have no first-class center. Why? There are so many Indians, so many oppos . . . even other . . . those who are opposite, it is open to everyone. We don't make such distinction, that "Hindu," "Muslim" or "Christian" or "Parsi." No. Everyone is welcome. So people are accepting. Now let us have . . . this place is very small. Let us have a very big state~~(?)~~ temple. What is the difficulty?		'''Prabhupāda:''' First-class center. This so important city, and we have no first-class center. Why? There are so many Indians, so many oppos . . . even other . . . those who are opposite, it is open to everyone. We don't make such distinction, that "Hindu," "Muslim" or "Christian" or "Parsi." No. Everyone is welcome. So people are accepting. Now let us have . . . this place is very small. Let us have a very big state temple. What is the difficulty?

	'''Mr. Parik:''' There is more poten . . . (break) (end)		'''Mr. Parik:''' There is more poten . . . (break) (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Mr. Parik knows how in London it was humbly bigger; they had no place. Now gradually how . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Mr. Parik knows how in London it was humbly bigger; they had no place. Now gradually how . . .

	Mr. Parik: Yes. Within five years' time by Kṛṣṇa's grace, and by your efforts, Prabhupāda.		'''Mr. Parik:''' Yes. Within five years' time by Kṛṣṇa's grace, and by your efforts, Prabhupāda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' It has got great potency. Now let us have a nice center in London. That is my proposal.		'''Prabhupāda:''' It has got great potency. Now let us have a nice center in London. That is my proposal.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' First-class center. This so important city, and we have no first-class center. Why? There are so many Indians, so many oppos . . . even other . . . those who are opposite, it is open to everyone. We don't make such distinction, that "Hindu," "Muslim" or "Christian" or "Parsi." No. Everyone is welcome. So people are accepting. Now let us have . . . this place is very small. Let us have a very big state(?) temple. What is the difficulty?		'''Prabhupāda:''' First-class center. This so important city, and we have no first-class center. Why? There are so many Indians, so many oppos . . . even other . . . those who are opposite, it is open to everyone. We don't make such distinction, that "Hindu," "Muslim" or "Christian" or "Parsi." No. Everyone is welcome. So people are accepting. Now let us have . . . this place is very small. Let us have a very big state(?) temple. What is the difficulty?

	Mr. Parik: There is more poten . . . (break) (end)		'''Mr. Parik:''' There is more poten . . . (break) (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' You explain, Revatīnandana Mahārāja.		'''Prabhupāda:''' You explain, Revatīnandana Mahārāja.

	Revatīnandana: Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to understand first of all that I am not this body; that this body is born, this body dies, but I am not this body. I am an eternal spirit, ''jīvātmā'', and I am living in this body. Then when this body is finished, I will go out of this body. And whatever is my desire at death, whatever is my work in this life, I will get another body in that condition. It will go on like this.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to understand first of all that I am not this body; that this body is born, this body dies, but I am not this body. I am an eternal spirit, ''jīvātmā'', and I am living in this body. Then when this body is finished, I will go out of this body. And whatever is my desire at death, whatever is my work in this life, I will get another body in that condition. It will go on like this.

	But the solution how to get the eternal soul out of the cycle of birth and death is to understand that the spirit soul, the ''jīvātmā'', is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. In the Fourth Chapter of Kṛṣṇa's ''Bhagavad-gītā'' Kṛṣṇa says: "When you have seen the truth, you will see that all these living beings are My parts and parcels. They are in Me, and they are Mine." (BG 4.35) And Kṛṣṇa says that these part and parcels are all eternal. They are eternal entities; they are actually associates of Kṛṣṇa. We have forgotten this.		But the solution how to get the eternal soul out of the cycle of birth and death is to understand that the spirit soul, the ''jīvātmā'', is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. In the Fourth Chapter of Kṛṣṇa's ''Bhagavad-gītā'' Kṛṣṇa says: "When you have seen the truth, you will see that all these living beings are My parts and parcels. They are in Me, and they are Mine." (BG 4.35) And Kṛṣṇa says that these part and parcels are all eternal. They are eternal entities; they are actually associates of Kṛṣṇa. We have forgotten this.

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	So if you don't spend for Rāma, then you will have to spend for bomb, that's all. You cannot keep the money. That is the way of nature. That, "I want to keep money"—that is illusion. You cannot keep. It will be spoiled. If you don't spend for Kṛṣṇa, then it will be spoiled for some other purpose. Therefore so long as we have got money, let us spend it for Kṛṣṇa. That is real savings. That is real savings. There is a verse, ''tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer'' ([[SB 1.5.17\|SB 1.5.17]]). That verse is very nice. Hmm? Where is it?		So if you don't spend for Rāma, then you will have to spend for bomb, that's all. You cannot keep the money. That is the way of nature. That, "I want to keep money"—that is illusion. You cannot keep. It will be spoiled. If you don't spend for Kṛṣṇa, then it will be spoiled for some other purpose. Therefore so long as we have got money, let us spend it for Kṛṣṇa. That is real savings. That is real savings. There is a verse, ''tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer'' ([[SB 1.5.17\|SB 1.5.17]]). That verse is very nice. Hmm? Where is it?

	Dhanañjaya: ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		'''Dhanañjaya:''' ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. (break)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is ''tattvena''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is ''tattvena''.

	Indian guest (4): May I ask you? Some of the students come from India, Bangladesh, and all places. So I generally come to the temple sometimes, and the other boys laugh at me that, "You come to the court of the temple," and so on. Because "You are a student, so you should worship goddess of learning."		'''Indian guest (4):''' May I ask you? Some of the students come from India, Bangladesh, and all places. So I generally come to the temple sometimes, and the other boys laugh at me that, "You come to the court of the temple," and so on. Because "You are a student, so you should worship goddess of learning."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Who advises you?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Who advises you?

	Indian guest (4): No, the Hindu religions.		'''Indian guest (4):''' No, the Hindu religions.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is that gentleman?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is that gentleman?

	Indian guest (4): There are goddess . . .		'''Indian guest (4):''' There are goddess . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is the leader of that Hindu religion? If you hear some nonsense, then that is a different thing. He is a nonsense who advise you like that. So you have to reject all this nonsense proposals.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is the leader of that Hindu religion? If you hear some nonsense, then that is a different thing. He is a nonsense who advise you like that. So you have to reject all this nonsense proposals.

	Indian guest (4): So you think that we shouldn't worship the goddess of learning? That Sarasvatī is . . .		'''Indian guest (4):''' So you think that we shouldn't worship the goddess of learning? That Sarasvatī is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, if you are simply satisfied with goddess . . . learning, you can worship goddess of learning. But what your learning will do? That will not save you from the material, I mean to say, tribulations. There are so many learned scholar. Does it mean that he is not subject to birth, death, disease and old age? You become learned, but if you do not become so learned as to understand God, then what is the value of your learning? Ultimately, as it is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'':		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, if you are simply satisfied with goddess . . . learning, you can worship goddess of learning. But what your learning will do? That will not save you from the material, I mean to say, tribulations. There are so many learned scholar. Does it mean that he is not subject to birth, death, disease and old age? You become learned, but if you do not become so learned as to understand God, then what is the value of your learning? Ultimately, as it is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'':

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. It's all right.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. It's all right.

	English guest: Your Grace? Must your chanting always be audible? I ask this, because I was chanting in the train. The train makes a noise. Now, I am surrounded by people.		'''English guest:''' Your Grace? Must your chanting always be audible? I ask this, because I was chanting in the train. The train makes a noise. Now, I am surrounded by people.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No?

	English guest: I can chant audibly?		'''English guest:''' I can chant audibly?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Audible . . . if you chant even silently, it is also audible. You have to turn your attention, is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Audible . . . if you chant even silently, it is also audible. You have to turn your attention, is it not?

	English guest: Yes.		'''English guest:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Audible, if you don't make any sound, still it is audible.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Audible, if you don't make any sound, still it is audible.
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	Śyāmasundara: We hear it.		Śyāmasundara: We hear it.

	English guest: Would it be a good thing to chant audibly on a train full of people?		'''English guest:''' Would it be a good thing to chant audibly on a train full of people?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Why not? They will also hear. They will be benefited. Yes. Haridāsa Ṭhākura used to do that. What to speak of human being, even animals, the insect, trees, if they hear, they will be benefited. It is so nice.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Why not? They will also hear. They will be benefited. Yes. Haridāsa Ṭhākura used to do that. What to speak of human being, even animals, the insect, trees, if they hear, they will be benefited. It is so nice.
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	He is calm and merciful to the devotees, and He has to kill the nondevotees. But because He is absolute, either He loves or kills, the effect is the same. That is absolute. Therefore God is good, all-good. In any circumstances He is good. Even if He kills, the person who is killed, he immediately gets salvation, ''mukti''.		He is calm and merciful to the devotees, and He has to kill the nondevotees. But because He is absolute, either He loves or kills, the effect is the same. That is absolute. Therefore God is good, all-good. In any circumstances He is good. Even if He kills, the person who is killed, he immediately gets salvation, ''mukti''.

	English guest: Your Grace, in ''The Nectar of Devotion'', in the Introduction, there was an account of Lord Caitanya and a disciple of His, and while he was in the presence of Lord Caitanya, he cast a lustful glance at a woman, and Lord Caitanya rejected him. And afterwards His disciples came to Him and said: "Please forgive this disciple."		'''English guest:''' Your Grace, in ''The Nectar of Devotion'', in the Introduction, there was an account of Lord Caitanya and a disciple of His, and while he was in the presence of Lord Caitanya, he cast a lustful glance at a woman, and Lord Caitanya rejected him. And afterwards His disciples came to Him and said: "Please forgive this disciple."

	And Lord Caitanya said: "You may go and forgive him and go and live with him, and I will stay alone." Afterwards, the young man committed suicide, and when Lord Caitanya, who knows everything, said: "It is good. It is very good," this makes me very afraid of committing, in a moment of forgetfulness, a mistake like this.		And Lord Caitanya said: "You may go and forgive him and go and live with him, and I will stay alone." Afterwards, the young man committed suicide, and when Lord Caitanya, who knows everything, said: "It is good. It is very good," this makes me very afraid of committing, in a moment of forgetfulness, a mistake like this.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' The thing is that Lord Caitanya did not like hypocrisy. One should not . . . one should be very much alert against becoming a hypocrite. So this Choṭa Haridāsa, he proved to be a hypocrite. Therefore He was so strict.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The thing is that Lord Caitanya did not like hypocrisy. One should not . . . one should be very much alert against becoming a hypocrite. So this Choṭa Haridāsa, he proved to be a hypocrite. Therefore He was so strict.

	English guest: What became of him after he committed suicide?		'''English guest:''' What became of him after he committed suicide?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He went to Vaikuṇṭha.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He went to Vaikuṇṭha.

	English guest: Went to?		'''English guest:''' Went to?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, because he was Lord Caitanya's associate.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, because he was Lord Caitanya's associate.

	English guest: I see.		'''English guest:''' I see.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He, by mistake, he fallen down. Caitanya Mahāprabhu punished him. But that does not mean he would not go to Vaikuṇṭha. He would go. Just like father punishes his son, that does not mean he is not admitted in the home. So that was an exemplary punishment for the hypocrites, because this Choṭa Haridāsa was in renounced order of life. So for a person who has renounced this world, so even glancing over a woman with lust is also not allowed.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He, by mistake, he fallen down. Caitanya Mahāprabhu punished him. But that does not mean he would not go to Vaikuṇṭha. He would go. Just like father punishes his son, that does not mean he is not admitted in the home. So that was an exemplary punishment for the hypocrites, because this Choṭa Haridāsa was in renounced order of life. So for a person who has renounced this world, so even glancing over a woman with lust is also not allowed.
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	But Caitanya Mahāprabhu . . . (indistinct) . . . ''gṛhastha s'' devotee, He was very kind. But ''gṛhastha '' is not hypocrite. Anyone who has got wife, it is understood he has sex life; so there is no hypocrisy. So one who poses himself, "I am ''sannyāsī'', I am this, I am that," and within heart he is thinking of woman, that is hypocrisy. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not like.		But Caitanya Mahāprabhu . . . (indistinct) . . . ''gṛhastha s'' devotee, He was very kind. But ''gṛhastha '' is not hypocrite. Anyone who has got wife, it is understood he has sex life; so there is no hypocrisy. So one who poses himself, "I am ''sannyāsī'', I am this, I am that," and within heart he is thinking of woman, that is hypocrisy. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not like.

	English guest: That story is there as a warning for me.		'''English guest:''' That story is there as a warning for me.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. For anyone. If you have desire to enjoy, then don't become a ''sannyāsī'', ''brahmacārī''. You become a married man, live peacefully with wife and children. That is allowed.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. For anyone. If you have desire to enjoy, then don't become a ''sannyāsī'', ''brahmacārī''. You become a married man, live peacefully with wife and children. That is allowed.

	English guest: I see.		'''English guest:''' I see.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But don't become a hypocrite and live like a ''brahmacārī'' and think of women. This hypocrisy is like that. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's stricture. That "Why you are a hypocrisy?" In spiritual life hypocrisy is the worst qualification. Yes. There are four ''āśramas—brahmacārī āśrama'', ''gṛhastha āśrama'', ''vānaprastha āśrama'', ''sannyāsa āśrama''. So you gradually accept the ''āśramas'' and prepare yourself for the final . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' But don't become a hypocrite and live like a ''brahmacārī'' and think of women. This hypocrisy is like that. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's stricture. That "Why you are a hypocrisy?" In spiritual life hypocrisy is the worst qualification. Yes. There are four ''āśramas—brahmacārī āśrama'', ''gṛhastha āśrama'', ''vānaprastha āśrama'', ''sannyāsa āśrama''. So you gradually accept the ''āśramas'' and prepare yourself for the final . . . (indistinct)

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	But all other material assets, that you cannot take. Therefore the conclusion is that so long we have got some strength, intelligence, money, it should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa consciousness so that it will go with us.		But all other material assets, that you cannot take. Therefore the conclusion is that so long we have got some strength, intelligence, money, it should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa consciousness so that it will go with us.

	Indian guest: Swami, could you explain in simple words what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because . . . (indistinct) . . .?		'''Indian guest:''' Swami, could you explain in simple words what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because . . . (indistinct) . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Explain what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Explain what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

	Indian guest: Yes, in simple . . .		'''Indian guest:''' Yes, in simple . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You explain, Revatīnandana Mahārāja.		'''Prabhupāda:''' You explain, Revatīnandana Mahārāja.
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	:([[BG 8.6 (1972)\|BG 8.6]])		:([[BG 8.6 (1972)\|BG 8.6]])

	Indian guest: Where to fix our attention then these days? To "fix the attention in Me" means . . . what does He means by "Me"?		'''Indian guest:''' Where to fix our attention then these days? To "fix the attention in Me" means . . . what does He means by "Me"?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean? What do you mean?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean? What do you mean?

	Indian guest: That . . . at the time of death.		'''Indian guest:''' That . . . at the time of death.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by "Me"?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by "Me"?

	Indian guest: "Me" means . . . at this junction, there is nothing.		'''Indian guest:''' "Me" means . . . at this junction, there is nothing.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' If I say: "Give me a glass of water," what do I mean by this?		'''Prabhupāda:''' If I say: "Give me a glass of water," what do I mean by this?

	Indian guest: Yes. Do you mean this body? I don't think you mean that body. There is something else in me, so for the bodily person, if it is not explained properly . . .		'''Indian guest:''' Yes. Do you mean this body? I don't think you mean that body. There is something else in me, so for the bodily person, if it is not explained properly . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore, bodily person, this education is being imparted, that "You are not this body, you are spirit soul." Now, at this present moment, when I speak in my bodily concept of life, "Give ''me'' a glass of water," that water is needed for my body.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore, bodily person, this education is being imparted, that "You are not this body, you are spirit soul." Now, at this present moment, when I speak in my bodily concept of life, "Give ''me'' a glass of water," that water is needed for my body.

	Indian guest: The soul is not to be seen, so what can a man, by dying, fix his attention or ''ātmā'', in what? It is not to be seen. And ''nirākāra'', there is a God, we cannot see it. So could it be made clear in worldly words to which a man, by dying . . .		'''Indian guest:''' The soul is not to be seen, so what can a man, by dying, fix his attention or ''ātmā'', in what? It is not to be seen. And ''nirākāra'', there is a God, we cannot see it. So could it be made clear in worldly words to which a man, by dying . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You cannot see . . . you cannot see so many things. That does not mean that things are not existing. You cannot see what is beyond this wall.		'''Prabhupāda:''' You cannot see . . . you cannot see so many things. That does not mean that things are not existing. You cannot see what is beyond this wall.

	Indian guest: So . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian guest:''' So . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Your seeing power is very defective. So this is not a argument, that because you cannot see, there is no soul. That is not good argument. You cannot see beyond this wall. That does not mean there is nothing beyond this wall.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Your seeing power is very defective. So this is not a argument, that because you cannot see, there is no soul. That is not good argument. You cannot see beyond this wall. That does not mean there is nothing beyond this wall.
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	So you have to hear from Kṛṣṇa. Why do you believe on your seeing power? You are so defective, and still you are believing on your seeing power. Your argument is, "I cannot see." But what is the value of your seeing? Why don't you consider in that way?		So you have to hear from Kṛṣṇa. Why do you believe on your seeing power? You are so defective, and still you are believing on your seeing power. Your argument is, "I cannot see." But what is the value of your seeing? Why don't you consider in that way?

	Indian guest: There are so many arguments . . .		'''Indian guest:''' There are so many arguments . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Your seeing is worthless. First of all you have to admit that. You cannot say, "Because I do not see, there is no existence." This is not argument.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Your seeing is worthless. First of all you have to admit that. You cannot say, "Because I do not see, there is no existence." This is not argument.

	Indian guest: I am not arguing. I am trying to understand it, because I have . . . I want to understand it . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian guest:''' I am not arguing. I am trying to understand it, because I have . . . I want to understand it . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now you understand that I say that just like nobody sees where is the soul. Birth, one can perceive—that is the education. Just like a man dies, his relatives cry, "Oh, my father gone. My father gone." Why your father is dying? See your father. You have seen your father, this body. Why you are crying? What is your answer? You have seen all along this body is your father. Why you are crying, "My father is gone, my father is gone"? Why?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now you understand that I say that just like nobody sees where is the soul. Birth, one can perceive—that is the education. Just like a man dies, his relatives cry, "Oh, my father gone. My father gone." Why your father is dying? See your father. You have seen your father, this body. Why you are crying? What is your answer? You have seen all along this body is your father. Why you are crying, "My father is gone, my father is gone"? Why?

	Indian guest: That is why I ask—that is it cannot be seen . . .		'''Indian guest:''' That is why I ask—that is it cannot be seen . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That means that you have not seen your father, so long you have . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' That means that you have not seen your father, so long you have . . .

	Indian guest: You have to be fixed up, fix the attention while dying. That is my question . . .		'''Indian guest:''' You have to be fixed up, fix the attention while dying. That is my question . . .

	'''Indian guest (2):''' Can I answer, Swami?		'''Indian guest (2):''' Can I answer, Swami?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Indian guest: Yes, you can answer.		'''Indian guest:''' Yes, you can answer.

	'''Indian guest (2):''' For us, Kṛṣṇa is not just airy. His personality is as real as you and I are real. So when the attention is to be fixed, it is to be fixed on Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa Himself—Kṛṣṇa with physical body, Kṛṣṇa as you see in the temple down below, Kṛṣṇa as described by ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and described by ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.''		'''Indian guest (2):''' For us, Kṛṣṇa is not just airy. His personality is as real as you and I are real. So when the attention is to be fixed, it is to be fixed on Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa Himself—Kṛṣṇa with physical body, Kṛṣṇa as you see in the temple down below, Kṛṣṇa as described by ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and described by ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Indian guest: There is one more question, Swāmījī . . . (indistinct) . . . in ''Gītā'' it is said several times that ''ye bhajanti tattve. Tattve.'' What does it mean? How can you explain ''tattve''?		'''Indian guest:''' There is one more question, Swāmījī . . . (indistinct) . . . in ''Gītā'' it is said several times that ''ye bhajanti tattve. Tattve.'' What does it mean? How can you explain ''tattve''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the spelling?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the spelling?

	Indian guest: (indistinct) . . . ''T-a-t-t-v-e.'' I just want only to understand this. I don't want to ask you a question. I tell you very frankly. I want to ask a question to understand when in twenty-fourth verse of Ninth Chapter, which says:		'''Indian guest:''' (indistinct) . . . ''T-a-t-t-v-e.'' I just want only to understand this. I don't want to ask you a question. I tell you very frankly. I want to ask a question to understand when in twenty-fourth verse of Ninth Chapter, which says:

	:''ahaṁ hi sarva-yajñānāṁ''		:''ahaṁ hi sarva-yajñānāṁ''
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	'''Indian guest (3):''' Why?		'''Indian guest (3):''' Why?

	Indian guest: If one is ignorant, what is the way of reaching that stage, when he can understand . . .?		'''Indian guest:''' If one is ignorant, what is the way of reaching that stage, when he can understand . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. First thing is ''śraddhā''. Just like you are asking question: ''śraddhā'', faith. Just like anyone who is coming to us, he has got some little faith. But that is the beginning—''ādau śraddhā. Śraddhā'' means, "It is very nice. Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice. Let us try to understand what it is." This is called ''śraddhā''. Then next stage is ''ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅgo'' ([[CC Madhya 23.14-15\|CC Madhya 23.14]]), ''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu'' 1.4.15).		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. First thing is ''śraddhā''. Just like you are asking question: ''śraddhā'', faith. Just like anyone who is coming to us, he has got some little faith. But that is the beginning—''ādau śraddhā. Śraddhā'' means, "It is very nice. Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice. Let us try to understand what it is." This is called ''śraddhā''. Then next stage is ''ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅgo'' ([[CC Madhya 23.14-15\|CC Madhya 23.14]]), ''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu'' 1.4.15).
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	Any ''sādhaka'' who is actually trying to love God, these are the stages, ''kramaḥ''. So you have to go through the ''kramaḥ pantha''. Theoretically understanding will not help you. You have to take to practical life.		Any ''sādhaka'' who is actually trying to love God, these are the stages, ''kramaḥ''. So you have to go through the ''kramaḥ pantha''. Theoretically understanding will not help you. You have to take to practical life.

	Indian guest: Thank you very much . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian guest:''' Thank you very much . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is ''tattvena''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is ''tattvena''.
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	(break) . . . movement there is a great potency. Do you realize or not?		(break) . . . movement there is a great potency. Do you realize or not?

	Indian guest: Of course we do.		'''Indian guest:''' Of course we do.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. There is great potency, everywhere. So why not combinedly push on this movement? That is my request. ''Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā'' ([[SB 10.22.35\|SB 10.22.35]]). Eh? The Bible society, the Christian missionaries, they spend crores of rupees, but here, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, by one man's attempt it has come to such an extent. Why not combine? What is your opinion about this? ''Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā. Prāṇa'', ''artha'', ''buddhir'', ''vācā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. There is great potency, everywhere. So why not combinedly push on this movement? That is my request. ''Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā'' ([[SB 10.22.35\|SB 10.22.35]]). Eh? The Bible society, the Christian missionaries, they spend crores of rupees, but here, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, by one man's attempt it has come to such an extent. Why not combine? What is your opinion about this? ''Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā. Prāṇa'', ''artha'', ''buddhir'', ''vācā''.

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	(break) Rather, the man who comes to the sunshine, he becomes disinfected. You follow what I said?		(break) Rather, the man who comes to the sunshine, he becomes disinfected. You follow what I said?

	Indian lady guest: Yes.		'''Indian lady guest:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is infected with some sinful life, so if he comes to the temple, the temple is not affected by his infection. Rather, the infected man becomes purified, sterilized.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is infected with some sinful life, so if he comes to the temple, the temple is not affected by his infection. Rather, the infected man becomes purified, sterilized.

	Indian lady guest: And what is a man's duty, should he do if his family is averse to Kṛṣṇa and if he wants to follow Kṛṣṇa's way? What should he do? Should he leave his family?		'''Indian lady guest:''' And what is a man's duty, should he do if his family is averse to Kṛṣṇa and if he wants to follow Kṛṣṇa's way? What should he do? Should he leave his family?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Let him follow the Kṛṣṇa's way, that's all. That is his duty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Let him follow the Kṛṣṇa's way, that's all. That is his duty.

	Indian lady guest: Do his duty.		'''Indian lady guest:''' Do his duty.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Surrender to Kṛṣṇa, and what Kṛṣṇa says, do. That's all. That's your duty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Surrender to Kṛṣṇa, and what Kṛṣṇa says, do. That's all. That's your duty.
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	(break) . . . ''loko 'yam-karma-bandhanaḥ'' ([[BG 3.9 (1972)\|BG 3.9]]). If you do not work on account of Kṛṣṇa, then you become bound up by the resultant action of your ''karma'', bad or good.		(break) . . . ''loko 'yam-karma-bandhanaḥ'' ([[BG 3.9 (1972)\|BG 3.9]]). If you do not work on account of Kṛṣṇa, then you become bound up by the resultant action of your ''karma'', bad or good.

	Indian lady guest: Each one, Kṛṣṇa puts you where He wants you to be, isn't it?		'''Indian lady guest:''' Each one, Kṛṣṇa puts you where He wants you to be, isn't it?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Indian lady guest: Kṛṣṇa puts you where He wants you to be.		'''Indian lady guest:''' Kṛṣṇa puts you where He wants you to be.

	Śyāmasundara: (explaining) Does Kṛṣṇa put you where He wants you to be?		Śyāmasundara: (explaining) Does Kṛṣṇa put you where He wants you to be?
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	Whoever hears, he will be benefited. Just like sunshine—anyone comes in the sunshine, he will be benefited.		Whoever hears, he will be benefited. Just like sunshine—anyone comes in the sunshine, he will be benefited.

	Indian lady guest: (indistinct) . . . some people hears it . . . why do some people hear (break) . . . (indistinct) . . .?		'''Indian lady guest:''' (indistinct) . . . some people hears it . . . why do some people hear (break) . . . (indistinct) . . .?

	Śyāmasundara: (explaining) Some people do not like when they hear the ''mantra''. Why is that?		Śyāmasundara: (explaining) Some people do not like when they hear the ''mantra''. Why is that?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Narādhamāḥ''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Narādhamāḥ''.

	Indian lady guest: (indistinct) . . . if Kṛṣṇa knew the ending of the war, why did Arjuna have to fight and kill?		'''Indian lady guest:''' (indistinct) . . . if Kṛṣṇa knew the ending of the war, why did Arjuna have to fight and kill?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Because Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa is not nonviolent, bogus nonviolent. When there is necessity of fight, there must be fight. Kṛṣṇa has got two mission:		'''Prabhupāda:''' Because Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight. Kṛṣṇa is not nonviolent, bogus nonviolent. When there is necessity of fight, there must be fight. Kṛṣṇa has got two mission:
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	But if you stay in one ''āśrama'', you don't become hypocrite in relationship to that ''āśrama''. You do it perfectly. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's majority of devotees were ''gṛhasthas'', householder. He was Himself householder. He married twice. But that does not mean when He took ''sannyāsa'' He would see His wife. No. That is not allowed.		But if you stay in one ''āśrama'', you don't become hypocrite in relationship to that ''āśrama''. You do it perfectly. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's majority of devotees were ''gṛhasthas'', householder. He was Himself householder. He married twice. But that does not mean when He took ''sannyāsa'' He would see His wife. No. That is not allowed.

	Indian lady guest: I thought that when you commit suicide you deny yourself to Vaikuṇṭha. Is that correct? . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian lady guest:''' I thought that when you commit suicide you deny yourself to Vaikuṇṭha. Is that correct? . . . (indistinct)

	Śyāmasundara: (explaining) She said if a person commits suicide, he is denied . . .		Śyāmasundara: (explaining) She said if a person commits suicide, he is denied . . .