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RasaRasika at 04:09, 24 December 2023

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	'''Haṁsadūta:''' You can sit here.		'''Haṁsadūta:''' You can sit here.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ'' ([[BG 7.28 (1972)\|BG 7.28]]). One who has finished sinful activities, he can be engaged in God consciousness. One who is engaged in sinful activities, he cannot. "Devil citing scripture." A devil cannot cite scripture. Angel can cite scripture. And according to our ''ācārya'', Sanātana Gosvāmī, he says that, "Don't hear scriptures from the devil." ''Avaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtaṁ śravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyam'' (''Padma Purāṇa''). "If a devil's preaching about God, don't hear."		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ'' ([[BG 7.28 (1972)\|BG 7.28]]). One who has finished sinful activities, he can be engaged in God consciousness. One who is engaged in sinful activities, he cannot. "Devil citing scripture." A devil cannot cite scripture. Angel can cite scripture. And according to our ''ācārya'', Sanātana Gosvāmī, he says that, "Don't hear scriptures from the devil." ''Avaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtaṁ śravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyam'' (Padma Purāṇa). "If a devil's preaching about God, don't hear."

	If you say: "God is pure, so let me hear about God. It doesn't matter whether he is devil or angel. It doesn't matter," No! The argument is ''sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā.'' Just like milk is very nourishing food, but if it is touched by the lips, by the tongue, of a serpent, it becomes poison. ''Sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā.'' You cannot drink the milk which is touched by the serpent's tongue.		If you say: "God is pure, so let me hear about God. It doesn't matter whether he is devil or angel. It doesn't matter," No! The argument is ''sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā.'' Just like milk is very nourishing food, but if it is touched by the lips, by the tongue, of a serpent, it becomes poison. ''Sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payo yathā.'' You cannot drink the milk which is touched by the serpent's tongue.
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	He must be pure, he must be sinless. Then his preaching will be effective. But in all condition, if we, with faith and love, we chant the holy name of God, we shall become gradually purified. There is no, I mean to say, cause of anxiety. Anyone who will chant this holy name, he'll be purified.		He must be pure, he must be sinless. Then his preaching will be effective. But in all condition, if we, with faith and love, we chant the holy name of God, we shall become gradually purified. There is no, I mean to say, cause of anxiety. Anyone who will chant this holy name, he'll be purified.

	'''Revatīnandana:''' That line, ''jāya sakal'bipod bhaktivinod bolen jakhon o nām gāy'' (''Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Bol'' 3).		'''Revatīnandana:''' That line, ''jāya sakal'bipod bhaktivinod bolen jakhon o nām gāy'' (Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Bol 3).

	'''Prabhupāda:''' O ''nām gāy'', yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' O ''nām gāy'', yes.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no question of reading. We are simply asking to chant. Reading will come later on. Just like a small child, he's taught . . . in our educational system they chant . . . what is that? That . . .? ''Pahara pahara.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no question of reading. We are simply asking to chant. Reading will come later on. Just like a small child, he's taught . . . in our educational system they chant . . . what is that? That . . .? ''Pahara pahara.''

	Indian man: ''Pahara''. Alphabet, a-i-e.		'''Indian man:''' ''Pahara''. Alphabet, a-i-e.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I don't think, but these are Londoners; they know better than me.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I don't think, but these are Londoners; they know better than me.

	Devotee: Yes, we have been harassed many times. We have been arrested and left from the prison about twelve o'clock, one o'clock in the night, and then we were far from that place to here.		'''Devotee:''' Yes, we have been harassed many times. We have been arrested and left from the prison about twelve o'clock, one o'clock in the night, and then we were far from that place to here.

	Guest: When was that?		Guest: When was that?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' America is more tolerant, I think.		'''Prabhupāda:''' America is more tolerant, I think.

	Devotee: More tolerant. (laughs) America is more tolerant.		'''Devotee:''' More tolerant. (laughs) America is more tolerant.

	Haṁsadūta: Yes.		Haṁsadūta: Yes.
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	Guest: America is more tolerant?		Guest: America is more tolerant?

	Devotee: But they're not arresting now, you see, and wherever they go, they chant freely. But here, almost every week we are arrested on the streets and harassed.		'''Devotee:''' But they're not arresting now, you see, and wherever they go, they chant freely. But here, almost every week we are arrested on the streets and harassed.

	Guest: Is it because . . . possibly because you are less well known over here than in America?		Guest: Is it because . . . possibly because you are less well known over here than in America?
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	Sister Mary: What law can arrest you?		Sister Mary: What law can arrest you?

	Devotee: Well, we fought this out in the court here, and the magistrate allowed that we can chant. There is no law who can stop the chanting. But the police, authorities, they say: "Well, you are obstructing the traffic." And under that we are arrested.		'''Devotee:''' Well, we fought this out in the court here, and the magistrate allowed that we can chant. There is no law who can stop the chanting. But the police, authorities, they say: "Well, you are obstructing the traffic." And under that we are arrested.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They can find out anything.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They can find out anything.

	Devotee: An excuse. It's an excuse . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee:''' An excuse. It's an excuse . . . (indistinct)

	Revatīnandana: "Blocking the traffic," "Disturbing the peace . . ."		Revatīnandana: "Blocking the traffic," "Disturbing the peace . . ."

	Devotee: They simply come and arrest, and that is . . .		'''Devotee:''' They simply come and arrest, and that is . . .

	Haṁsadūta: Anyway, the original purpose of America was to have religious freedom. Therefore they left England.		Haṁsadūta: Anyway, the original purpose of America was to have religious freedom. Therefore they left England.
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	Revatīnandana: Well, we lost here several times.		Revatīnandana: Well, we lost here several times.

	Devotee: Last year, when we went to the police authorities for our procession here, and we wanted to make three ''rathas'', and the police officer, he was so envious, he said: "No. There is no law we can put three ''rathas'' on the street." We said: "What is the harm? Won't you give us protection?" "So many people will be dying and killed under the ''ratha''. If the ''ratha'' is so big and all that, people will be killed." I said: "They are big all over the world. This is for God consciousness."		'''Devotee:''' Last year, when we went to the police authorities for our procession here, and we wanted to make three ''rathas'', and the police officer, he was so envious, he said: "No. There is no law we can put three ''rathas'' on the street." We said: "What is the harm? Won't you give us protection?" "So many people will be dying and killed under the ''ratha''. If the ''ratha'' is so big and all that, people will be killed." I said: "They are big all over the world. This is for God consciousness."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So many people are dying by motor accidents, but do they stop motorcar?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So many people are dying by motor accidents, but do they stop motorcar?

	Devotee: . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee:''' . . . (indistinct)

	Guest: Do you think the situation will get better in London.		Guest: Do you think the situation will get better in London.

	Devotee: Yes.		'''Devotee:''' Yes.

	Guest: You do?		Guest: You do?
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	Devotee: One night at Piccadilly Circus we were eight, and four were arrested, and four other people, no, they let them go. So I said: "No, I was arrested." (laughter) When they went to the court, Prabhupāda, they got one pound fine each . . . they were altogether eight, and four were arrested. They also doing the same offense. It is same offense. So he said, "All right, let them go."		'''Devotee:''' One night at Piccadilly Circus we were eight, and four were arrested, and four other people, no, they let them go. So I said: "No, I was arrested." (laughter) When they went to the court, Prabhupāda, they got one pound fine each . . . they were altogether eight, and four were arrested. They also doing the same offense. It is same offense. So he said, "All right, let them go."

	Guest: Can I ask about your . . . (indistinct) . . . about growth? . . . (indistinct) . . . recruiting, I suppose. How . . . can I ask how the movement is growing? Can you give me any figures at all? I was speaking to one of your colleagues earlier who mentioned 150, but seventy-five approximately which were in London. Are the figures growing week by week?		Guest: Can I ask about your . . . (indistinct) . . . about growth? . . . (indistinct) . . . recruiting, I suppose. How . . . can I ask how the movement is growing? Can you give me any figures at all? I was speaking to one of your colleagues earlier who mentioned 150, but seventy-five approximately which were in London. Are the figures growing week by week?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, England we started in 1968.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, England we started in 1968.

	Devotee: That 150 is those who have fully dedicated their life, but there are thousands who are followers and admirers who have not joined here.		'''Devotee:''' That 150 is those who have fully dedicated their life, but there are thousands who are followers and admirers who have not joined here.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They are admirers.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They are admirers.

	Devotee: They are admirers, and they are . . . there are thousands of . . . but they all come . . . (indistinct)		'''Devotee:''' They are admirers, and they are . . . there are thousands of . . . but they all come . . . (indistinct)

	Sister Mary: But it's encouraging people to chant the name of God in their own religion.		Sister Mary: But it's encouraging people to chant the name of God in their own religion.
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	Sister Mary: You go down to the heart of the matter.		Sister Mary: You go down to the heart of the matter.

	Devotee: To the root cause.		'''Devotee:''' To the root cause.

	Sister Mary: They're only symptoms.		Sister Mary: They're only symptoms.
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	Sister Mary: Society isn't saved in a month by individuals . . . (indistinct) . . . the reality in each person. It's more than an example.		Sister Mary: Society isn't saved in a month by individuals . . . (indistinct) . . . the reality in each person. It's more than an example.

	Devotee: (indistinct) . . . pour the water to the root cause and in every leaf it goes.		'''Devotee:''' (indistinct) . . . pour the water to the root cause and in every leaf it goes.

	Guest: So the answer is you do not comment on it.		Guest: So the answer is you do not comment on it.