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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?

	~~'''~~'''Guest (11):~~'''~~''' Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)		'''Guest (11):''' Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.

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	I'm trying to Lord it over, you're trying also to Lord it over then there is competition, then fight. There is no submission. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's instruction He says: "You nonsense first of all submit,"''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). That is the beginning because everyone is puffed up he has no submission. So that is the difficulty. We become puffed up we want to imitate God. Now one so and so is denying God we are thinking that by inventing something we are saying: "What is the use of God?" What the scientists say?		I'm trying to Lord it over, you're trying also to Lord it over then there is competition, then fight. There is no submission. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's instruction He says: "You nonsense first of all submit,"''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). That is the beginning because everyone is puffed up he has no submission. So that is the difficulty. We become puffed up we want to imitate God. Now one so and so is denying God we are thinking that by inventing something we are saying: "What is the use of God?" What the scientists say?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He's a scientist.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He's a scientist.

	Svarūpa Dāmodara: They said God didn't create the universe. Scientists discovered the physical rules governing these laws of motion of the planetary motions and therefore they say God is not necessary to ah. To investigate for the wellbeing of the human being so therefore God is not necessary.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' They said God didn't create the universe. Scientists discovered the physical rules governing these laws of motion of the planetary motions and therefore they say God is not necessary to ah. To investigate for the wellbeing of the human being so therefore God is not necessary.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Is that a very scientific proposal? God created now we are trying to know the laws therefore there is no necessity of God. Is that very sound proposal? What do you think?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Is that a very scientific proposal? God created now we are trying to know the laws therefore there is no necessity of God. Is that very sound proposal? What do you think?

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	All our expenditure throughout the whole society—at least $70,000 per month. And these are the samples of the students you can talk with them, you can see. There is no hide and seek, so you can judge . . .		All our expenditure throughout the whole society—at least $70,000 per month. And these are the samples of the students you can talk with them, you can see. There is no hide and seek, so you can judge . . .

	Host: Thank you very much. Thank you.		'''Host:''' Thank you very much. Thank you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Krishna.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Krishna.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . then why you are so much proud of seeing? Therefore ''Vedānta-sūtra'' says, ''śāstra-cakṣuṣā'' we have to see through perfect book of knowledge. Not this eyes . . . so our proposition is that Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead the knowledge He has given us is perfect and if we follow this perfect knowledge then everything will be perfect. That is our position.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . then why you are so much proud of seeing? Therefore ''Vedānta-sūtra'' says, ''śāstra-cakṣuṣā'' we have to see through perfect book of knowledge. Not this eyes . . . so our proposition is that Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead the knowledge He has given us is perfect and if we follow this perfect knowledge then everything will be perfect. That is our position.

	Guest: Svāmī I have a question. You said that quoting the scriptures that in this world all governments are evil.		'''Guest:''' Svāmī I have a question. You said that quoting the scriptures that in this world all governments are evil.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hm?

	Guest: You said quoting the scriptures that in this world all men being like ''śūdras'' all governments are evil. Are some governments worse than others? Is the communism.		'''Guest:''' You said quoting the scriptures that in this world all men being like ''śūdras'' all governments are evil. Are some governments worse than others? Is the communism.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No all governments even communism. What is that? It's says the same.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No all governments even communism. What is that? It's says the same.

	Guest: What about.		'''Guest:''' What about.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Voting, voting, so some fools are voting, so what is the value? The process is voting but who is voting? All rascals and fools. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Voting, voting, so some fools are voting, so what is the value? The process is voting but who is voting? All rascals and fools. That's all.

	Guest: But some parties like the Jana Sangh.		'''Guest:''' But some parties like the Jana Sangh.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

	Guest: They say they are more religious.		'''Guest:''' They say they are more religious.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They may say, everyone will say: "My party is very perfect," but we don't accept. Everyone can say, everyone will say that, "I am perfect." But we have got a test because at the present age the politicians are selected by votes. The public is fool and rascals so what they will select?		'''Prabhupāda:''' They may say, everyone will say: "My party is very perfect," but we don't accept. Everyone can say, everyone will say that, "I am perfect." But we have got a test because at the present age the politicians are selected by votes. The public is fool and rascals so what they will select?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes because there is no education, training.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes because there is no education, training.

	Guest: Then how can there be Svāmīs?		'''Guest:''' Then how can there be Svāmīs?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well he is not ''śūdra'', he is master. Svāmī means master and ''śūdra'' means servant. Svāmī, actually Svāmī means who is master and ''śūdra'' means servant you should understand what is Svāmī and master means master of the senses. Just like we are teaching our students to become Svāmī.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well he is not ''śūdra'', he is master. Svāmī means master and ''śūdra'' means servant. Svāmī, actually Svāmī means who is master and ''śūdra'' means servant you should understand what is Svāmī and master means master of the senses. Just like we are teaching our students to become Svāmī.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?

	'''Guest (11):''' Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)		''''''Guest (11):'''''' Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.

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	Any dress will satisfy them any simple food will satisfy them. The process is we should decrease our artificial material necessities of life and save time to understand God that is the value of life. By gorgeously dressing you do not become a big man by knowledge you become a big man.		Any dress will satisfy them any simple food will satisfy them. The process is we should decrease our artificial material necessities of life and save time to understand God that is the value of life. By gorgeously dressing you do not become a big man by knowledge you become a big man.

	Guest (6): Svāmī, in the International Society for Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is a governing board committee and you have as the Svāmī are directing this board and presidents of temples. Do you think this is a good organisation for a country?		'''Guest (6):''' Svāmī, in the International Society for Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is a governing board committee and you have as the Svāmī are directing this board and presidents of temples. Do you think this is a good organisation for a country?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What bad you think? What is the bad in it?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What bad you think? What is the bad in it?

	Guest (6): (laughs)		'''Guest (6):''' (laughs)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' If it is not bad then it is good.		'''Prabhupāda:''' If it is not bad then it is good.

	Guest (6): So there should be a Svāmī rather than a president as head of the Centre?		'''Guest (6):''' So there should be a Svāmī rather than a president as head of the Centre?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, I explained Svāmī means the master of the senses. If one becomes president and remains a servant of the senses what is the value? What is the value? He may become president to the fools but he is a servant of the senses that's all. So my request is that you are all leading personalities of the society kindly try to understand the value of our movement and cooperate that is the. It is a very good scientific movement authorised and very simple also . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, I explained Svāmī means the master of the senses. If one becomes president and remains a servant of the senses what is the value? What is the value? He may become president to the fools but he is a servant of the senses that's all. So my request is that you are all leading personalities of the society kindly try to understand the value of our movement and cooperate that is the. It is a very good scientific movement authorised and very simple also . . .

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	It is all ordered by Kṛṣṇa, there is nothing. We are doing that and we are preaching that, there is no difference between our preaching and this, ''āpani ācari prabhu jīvere ṛṣi''. We have to do first of all then we can preach otherwise what is the meaning of preaching?		It is all ordered by Kṛṣṇa, there is nothing. We are doing that and we are preaching that, there is no difference between our preaching and this, ''āpani ācari prabhu jīvere ṛṣi''. We have to do first of all then we can preach otherwise what is the meaning of preaching?

	Guest (12): Śrīla Prabhupāda, how big is your movement and how fast is it growing?		'''Guest (12):''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, how big is your movement and how fast is it growing?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That you can calculate. I came here in nineteen hundred and sixty-five then I started this movement. In one year I could not do anything, I had no place. I started this movement in nineteen hundred and sixty-six in July. Then I came ill then I returned back in 1967 June. Then again I came back in 1968.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That you can calculate. I came here in nineteen hundred and sixty-five then I started this movement. In one year I could not do anything, I had no place. I started this movement in nineteen hundred and sixty-six in July. Then I came ill then I returned back in 1967 June. Then again I came back in 1968.

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	"The cause of all causes." So we have to follow these authoritative statements in the ''śāstra'' . . . (indistinct)		"The cause of all causes." So we have to follow these authoritative statements in the ''śāstra'' . . . (indistinct)

	Guest (10): So . . . (indistinct) . . . have been a Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement without Lord Caitanya?		'''Guest (10):''' So . . . (indistinct) . . . have been a Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement without Lord Caitanya?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was there since the 5,000 years when Kṛṣṇa appeared. In the battlefield of Kurukṣetra where he instructed ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Caitanya Mahāprabhu revived it very nicely. Just like we have introduced this movement in your country it does not mean that it did not exist before. It was existing . . . so is there any other question? Yes?

	Guest (11): Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)		'''Guest (11):''' Do you see the Kṛṣṇa movement coming out in any different form in Western culture? As it was in India . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No it is not different form. The form is the same Kṛṣṇa says, ''sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). "You give up all other engagements and just surrender unto Me." These people are taking that principle, they are giving up all other engagements and surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, this is not nothing new it is the same old story.

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	What is the actual ultimate goal of my life? That is ''jñāna''. ''Karma'' ''jñāna'' and ''yoga''—is a little higher, the find out the absolute truth and ''bhakti'' means to know the absolute truth and our relationship with Him and actually be engaged in His service that is called ''bhakti'' . . . yes?		What is the actual ultimate goal of my life? That is ''jñāna''. ''Karma'' ''jñāna'' and ''yoga''—is a little higher, the find out the absolute truth and ''bhakti'' means to know the absolute truth and our relationship with Him and actually be engaged in His service that is called ''bhakti'' . . . yes?

	Guest (8): Svāmī . . . the 14-year-old boy Guru Mahārāji.		'''Guest (8):''' Svāmī . . . the 14-year-old boy Guru Mahārāji.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well I do not . . . (indistinct) . . . he can understand I do not.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well I do not . . . (indistinct) . . . he can understand I do not.

	Guest (8): Can I ask you a question.		'''Guest (8):''' Can I ask you a question.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So far that I have heard he says that there is no need of books. So you are all educationists without books what is his knowledge? He does not recognise books, what does he say?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So far that I have heard he says that there is no need of books. So you are all educationists without books what is his knowledge? He does not recognise books, what does he say?
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	''Śāstra-cakṣusā'', knowledge has to be received through books but the books must be perfect but you cannot say that, "Without books I have become perfect." That is not possible.		''Śāstra-cakṣusā'', knowledge has to be received through books but the books must be perfect but you cannot say that, "Without books I have become perfect." That is not possible.

	Guest (8): He claims to be an ''avatāra''.		'''Guest (8):''' He claims to be an ''avatāra''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We you can also refute that, that is. But who is accepting it. What is the meaning of ''avatāra'', do you know?		'''Prabhupāda:''' We you can also refute that, that is. But who is accepting it. What is the meaning of ''avatāra'', do you know?

	Guest (8): I'm asking you a question.		'''Guest (8):''' I'm asking you a question.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' If you are asking then he is a fool. That's my . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' If you are asking then he is a fool. That's my . . .