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	'''Guest (1):''' No, I came as a Christian, not knowing anything. I still know very little.		'''Guest (1):''' No, I came as a Christian, not knowing anything. I still know very little.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Our movement is to revive God consciousness. Just like a man is sleeping, and he has got some engagement, say in the morning, at six o'clock. But still he's sleeping. So somebody is trying to awake him, "Get up! Get up! You have got this engagement. You have . . ." Our movement is like that. The human society is sleeping. So we are just trying to awake them, "Get up. Get up. You have got this engagement." That is our business. It is not our manufactured business, but it is stated in the Vedic literature, ''uttiṣṭha jāgratā prāpta-varān nibodhata'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 1.3.14): "Now you be awakened." "Now" means "You have got this human form of life. You can now be awakened." In animal form of life there is no possibility.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Our movement is to revive God consciousness. Just like a man is sleeping, and he has got some engagement, say in the morning, at six o'clock. But still he's sleeping. So somebody is trying to awake him, "Get up! Get up! You have got this engagement. You have . . ." Our movement is like that. The human society is sleeping. So we are just trying to awake them, "Get up. Get up. You have got this engagement." That is our business. It is not our manufactured business, but it is stated in the Vedic literature, ''uttiṣṭha jāgratā prāpta-varān nibodhata'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.3.14): "Now you be awakened." "Now" means "You have got this human form of life. You can now be awakened." In animal form of life there is no possibility.

	Therefore, in the human form of life, one should be awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness. And if he sleeps, then he loses his business. This is our mission, to awaken him. And when a man sleeps, how he can awaken him? Simply by vibration of sound. The sleeping man can be awakened simply by this process, allowing the sound to enter the ear. By no other process. He's sleeping. If you show him a stick, "If you don't get up, I shall strike you," that will not be effective. Because sleeping. If you say . . . so many things, there are other senses—there will be no action. But only through the ear, if you cry, "Please get up! Please get up! Now your time," that will act.		Therefore, in the human form of life, one should be awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness. And if he sleeps, then he loses his business. This is our mission, to awaken him. And when a man sleeps, how he can awaken him? Simply by vibration of sound. The sleeping man can be awakened simply by this process, allowing the sound to enter the ear. By no other process. He's sleeping. If you show him a stick, "If you don't get up, I shall strike you," that will not be effective. Because sleeping. If you say . . . so many things, there are other senses—there will be no action. But only through the ear, if you cry, "Please get up! Please get up! Now your time," that will act.
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	So this division—''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra''—means the highest intelligent class man is called ''brāhmaṇa''. He knows. He's in knowledge. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). Next intelligent, less, is the ''kṣatriyas''. Next, the ''vaiśyas''. And the ''śūdras'', they are like . . . almost like animals. They have no independence. Just like animal has no independence. A dog without a master, he cannot live. His life is very precarious. So at the present moment, however one qualified may be, unless he gets a good job, he's just like a dog, a street dog. He may be very highly qualified, technologically, but if he does not get a job, then he's useless. He'll go, "Sir, can you give me any job?" "No vacancy." A dog like. Just like dog goes, moves the tail, "Can you give me some food?" Somebody gives him, "Eh! ''Hut!''" This is the position.		So this division—''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra''—means the highest intelligent class man is called ''brāhmaṇa''. He knows. He's in knowledge. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). Next intelligent, less, is the ''kṣatriyas''. Next, the ''vaiśyas''. And the ''śūdras'', they are like . . . almost like animals. They have no independence. Just like animal has no independence. A dog without a master, he cannot live. His life is very precarious. So at the present moment, however one qualified may be, unless he gets a good job, he's just like a dog, a street dog. He may be very highly qualified, technologically, but if he does not get a job, then he's useless. He'll go, "Sir, can you give me any job?" "No vacancy." A dog like. Just like dog goes, moves the tail, "Can you give me some food?" Somebody gives him, "Eh! ''Hut!''" This is the position.

	Therefore in this age, ''kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ'' (''Skanda Purāṇa''). In Kali-yuga, there is no ''brāhmaṇa'', no ''kṣatriya''. There are some ''vaiśyas''. And all ''śūdras''. Because they cannot live without being engaged by somebody else. And the whole civilization is going on, big, big factories, big, big . . . what is that? ''Śūdras''. They are creating ''śūdras'': "People should be dependent." Unless you work . . . therefore people are going fifty miles away, going . . . I have seen in New York. People are coming from the other side . . . what is that?		Therefore in this age, ''kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ'' (Skanda Purāṇa). In Kali-yuga, there is no ''brāhmaṇa'', no ''kṣatriya''. There are some ''vaiśyas''. And all ''śūdras''. Because they cannot live without being engaged by somebody else. And the whole civilization is going on, big, big factories, big, big . . . what is that? ''Śūdras''. They are creating ''śūdras'': "People should be dependent." Unless you work . . . therefore people are going fifty miles away, going . . . I have seen in New York. People are coming from the other side . . . what is that?

	'''Haṁsadūta:''' Connecticut.		'''Haṁsadūta:''' Connecticut.
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	"This ''citi-śakti'', or internal potency, is transcendental. ''Puruṣārtha'' means material religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and, at the end, the attempt to become one with the Supreme. This oneness with the Supreme is called ''kaivalyam'' by the monist. But according to Patañjali, this ''kaivalyam'' is an internal, or transcendental, potency by which the living entity becomes aware of his constitutional position. In the words of Lord Caitanya, this state of affairs is called ''ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'', or clearance of the impure mirror of the mind. This clearance is actually liberation, or ''bhava-mahādāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). The theory of ''nirvāṇa''—also preliminary—corresponds with this principle. In the ''Bhāgavatam'' this is called ''svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ'' ([[SB 2.10.6\|SB 2.10.6]]). The ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also confirms this situation in this verse."		"This ''citi-śakti'', or internal potency, is transcendental. ''Puruṣārtha'' means material religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and, at the end, the attempt to become one with the Supreme. This oneness with the Supreme is called ''kaivalyam'' by the monist. But according to Patañjali, this ''kaivalyam'' is an internal, or transcendental, potency by which the living entity becomes aware of his constitutional position. In the words of Lord Caitanya, this state of affairs is called ''ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'', or clearance of the impure mirror of the mind. This clearance is actually liberation, or ''bhava-mahādāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). The theory of ''nirvāṇa''—also preliminary—corresponds with this principle. In the ''Bhāgavatam'' this is called ''svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ'' ([[SB 2.10.6\|SB 2.10.6]]). The ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also confirms this situation in this verse."

	"After ''nirvāṇa'', or material cessation, there is the manifestation of spiritual activities, or devotional service of the Lord, known as Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the words of the ''Bhāgavatam, svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ'': this is the real life of the living entity. ''Māyā'', or illusion, is the condition of spiritual life contaminated by material infection. Liberation from this material infection does not mean destruction of the original eternal position of the living entity. Patañjali also accepts this by his words ''kaivalyam svarūpa-pratiṣṭhā vā citi-śaktir iti''. This ''citi-śakti'', or transcendental pleasure, is real life. This is confirmed in the ''Vedānta-sūtras as ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt'' (''Vedānta-sūtra'' 1.1.12). This natural transcendental pleasure is the ultimate goal of ''yoga'' and is easily achieved by execution of devotional service, or ''bhakti-yoga''. ''Bhakti-yoga'' will be vividly described in the Seventh Chapter of ''Bhagavad-gītā''."		"After ''nirvāṇa'', or material cessation, there is the manifestation of spiritual activities, or devotional service of the Lord, known as Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the words of the ''Bhāgavatam, svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ'': this is the real life of the living entity. ''Māyā'', or illusion, is the condition of spiritual life contaminated by material infection. Liberation from this material infection does not mean destruction of the original eternal position of the living entity. Patañjali also accepts this by his words ''kaivalyam svarūpa-pratiṣṭhā vā citi-śaktir iti''. This ''citi-śakti'', or transcendental pleasure, is real life. This is confirmed in the ''Vedānta-sūtras as ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt'' (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12). This natural transcendental pleasure is the ultimate goal of ''yoga'' and is easily achieved by execution of devotional service, or ''bhakti-yoga''. ''Bhakti-yoga'' will be vividly described in the Seventh Chapter of ''Bhagavad-gītā''."

	"In the ''yoga'' system as described in this chapter, there are two kinds of ''samādhi'', called ''samprajñāta-samādhi'' and ''asamprajñāta-samādhi''. When one becomes situated in the transcendental position by various philosophical researches, it is called ''samprajñāta-samādhi''. In the ''asamprajñāta-samādhi'' there is no longer any connection with mundane pleasure, for one is then transcendental to all sorts of happiness derived from the senses. When the ''yogī'' is once situated in that transcendental position, he is never shaken from it. Unless the ''yogī'' is able to reach this position, he is unsuccessful."		"In the ''yoga'' system as described in this chapter, there are two kinds of ''samādhi'', called ''samprajñāta-samādhi'' and ''asamprajñāta-samādhi''. When one becomes situated in the transcendental position by various philosophical researches, it is called ''samprajñāta-samādhi''. In the ''asamprajñāta-samādhi'' there is no longer any connection with mundane pleasure, for one is then transcendental to all sorts of happiness derived from the senses. When the ''yogī'' is once situated in that transcendental position, he is never shaken from it. Unless the ''yogī'' is able to reach this position, he is unsuccessful."

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Simply hear in our class and take this ''prasādam'', your business will be done. You haven't got to do anything. Simply hear and take ''prasādam''. Actually, it is not like that? Let him hear and take ''prasādam''. And if you agree to this principle, we take charge of you. You haven't got any botheration, how you'll get ''prasādam''. We shall arrange for you.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Simply hear in our class and take this ''prasādam'', your business will be done. You haven't got to do anything. Simply hear and take ''prasādam''. Actually, it is not like that? Let him hear and take ''prasādam''. And if you agree to this principle, we take charge of you. You haven't got any botheration, how you'll get ''prasādam''. We shall arrange for you.

	Guest (3) (young British woman): Religion, meaning trying to serve God, is any more right than another?		'''Guest (3) (young British woman):''' Religion, meaning trying to serve God, is any more right than another?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not religion. This is the only business. Religion is different thing. Suppose . . . just like, I have already explained, that you are sleeping, and you have got a good engagement. And somebody's trying to awake you that, "You have to go there. Just get up. Get up." So this kind of business is not religion. Religion is a . . . what is a meant a kind of faith, a sentiment. That is different thing. It is the main business of human being.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not religion. This is the only business. Religion is different thing. Suppose . . . just like, I have already explained, that you are sleeping, and you have got a good engagement. And somebody's trying to awake you that, "You have to go there. Just get up. Get up." So this kind of business is not religion. Religion is a . . . what is a meant a kind of faith, a sentiment. That is different thing. It is the main business of human being.

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	Guest (1) (young British woman): What was the meaning in that?		'''Guest (1) (young British woman):''' What was the meaning in that?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Ṭhākura'', they belong to ''kṣatriya'' class. ''Brāhmaṇa'' . . . according to Vedic conception, there are four divisions: ''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya'' and ''śūdra''. So next to ''brāhmaṇa'' is the ''kṣatriya''. So this ''Ṭhākura'' title is given to the ''kṣatriyas'', administrator class. Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Ṭhākura'', they belong to ''kṣatriya'' class. ''Brāhmaṇa'' . . . according to Vedic conception, there are four divisions: ''brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya'' and ''śūdra''. So next to ''brāhmaṇa'' is the ''kṣatriya''. So this ''Ṭhākura'' title is given to the ''kṣatriyas'', administrator class. Yes.

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