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	So we are not ambitious to go to heaven or higher planetary system or higher standard of life. We have no such ambition. We simply want Kṛṣṇa and worship Him, that's all. Never mind where it is. This is real ''dharma''. ''Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje''. So this boy has become your ''celā'' (disciple). He's very nice boy. What is his name? Dhruvānanda? Or his father's name. What is your name?		So we are not ambitious to go to heaven or higher planetary system or higher standard of life. We have no such ambition. We simply want Kṛṣṇa and worship Him, that's all. Never mind where it is. This is real ''dharma''. ''Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje''. So this boy has become your ''celā'' (disciple). He's very nice boy. What is his name? Dhruvānanda? Or his father's name. What is your name?

	Dhruvānanda: Dhruvānanda.		'''Dhruvānanda:''' Dhruvānanda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Heh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Heh?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Dhruvānanda. And what is your father's name?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Dhruvānanda. And what is your father's name?

	Dhruvānanda: Devadatta.		'''Dhruvānanda:''' Devadatta.

	'''Indian man (3):''' Devadatta dāsa.		'''Indian man (3):''' Devadatta dāsa.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' And your mother's name?		'''Prabhupāda:''' And your mother's name?

	Dhruvānanda: Draupadī.		'''Dhruvānanda:''' Draupadī.

	'''Indian man (3):''' Draupadī.		'''Indian man (3):''' Draupadī.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, I have seen many. As soon as there is chanting and dancing, small children, automatically they do like this. Automatically. They dance. We have got many children; they dance, they chant. And they fall down and murmurs all the ''mantras''. What is his name?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, I have seen many. As soon as there is chanting and dancing, small children, automatically they do like this. Automatically. They dance. We have got many children; they dance, they chant. And they fall down and murmurs all the ''mantras''. What is his name?

	Satsvarūpa: Bhakta Viśvareta.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Bhakta Viśvareta.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Oh, he'll fall flat just like . . . and he will chant all these ''mantras'': "''Nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale'' . . ." A small child at three years old. You see.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Oh, he'll fall flat just like . . . and he will chant all these ''mantras'': "''Nama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale'' . . ." A small child at three years old. You see.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore we have got our school already in Dallas, to train small children like that. But there is formalities of this nationalism. What is the formalities? Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore we have got our school already in Dallas, to train small children like that. But there is formalities of this nationalism. What is the formalities? Eh?

	Satsvarūpa: Just . . . it's not very difficult. It's just that we have . . . there is a form that we assure the other countries that we will take care of this child's lodging and all his . . . so we're bringing children from other countries.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Just . . . it's not very difficult. It's just that we have . . . there is a form that we assure the other countries that we will take care of this child's lodging and all his . . . so we're bringing children from other countries.

	'''Indian man (3):''' Is it only for boys, or boys and girls?		'''Indian man (3):''' Is it only for boys, or boys and girls?

	Satsvarūpa: No, boys and girls.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' No, boys and girls.

	'''Indian man (3):''' And they are very well looked after there?		'''Indian man (3):''' And they are very well looked after there?

	Satsvarūpa: Up to fifteen, yes.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Up to fifteen, yes.

	'''Indian man (3):''' And they are very well looked after there?		'''Indian man (3):''' And they are very well looked after there?
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	'''Indian man (3):''' As far as possible. Do you have any prospectus or anything about that school?		'''Indian man (3):''' As far as possible. Do you have any prospectus or anything about that school?

	Satsvarūpa: Yes, I have literature.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes, I have literature.

	'''Indian man (3):''' You have literature about that school?		'''Indian man (3):''' You have literature about that school?
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	'''Indian man (3):''' You have started that school?		'''Indian man (3):''' You have started that school?

	Satsvarūpa: Prabhupāda started it. (laughter)		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Prabhupāda started it. (laughter)

	'''Indian man (3):''' Yes. Could you sometime tell me about that school?		'''Indian man (3):''' Yes. Could you sometime tell me about that school?

	Satsvarūpa: Sure, later we can talk.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Sure, later we can talk.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There are good teachers. We are teaching Sanskrit and English especially.		'''Prabhupāda:''' There are good teachers. We are teaching Sanskrit and English especially.

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	(Paramahaṁsa or someone else enters)		(Paramahaṁsa or someone else enters)

	Paramahaṁsa: Śyāmasundara . . . Śyāmasundara is not in the temple.		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' Śyāmasundara . . . Śyāmasundara is not in the temple.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. What is that?

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	'''Indian man (4):''' Oh, yes.		'''Indian man (4):''' Oh, yes.

	Kṛṣṇa-bhāminī: In South America as well.		'''Kṛṣṇa-bhāminī:''' In South America as well.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' South America also? In India also.		'''Prabhupāda:''' South America also? In India also.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They eat human beings. Nara-buli, sacrifice human being, still there is a class of men.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They eat human beings. Nara-buli, sacrifice human being, still there is a class of men.

	Kṛṣṇa-bhāminī: In South America, they take a human being, from the head down, they eat. Then the head, they shrink it until it becomes very small, and this is a great prize.		'''Kṛṣṇa-bhāminī:''' In South America, they take a human being, from the head down, they eat. Then the head, they shrink it until it becomes very small, and this is a great prize.

	'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Television mein bhi dikhaya tha. Who chote chote khopadi hain usko sukha dete hain aur number se laga dete hain. ek sau-do sau. Yeh sab dikha dete hain, South-America mein kya?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It was shown on the television. There are small dried skulls, displayed chronologically 100 to 200. They show all this on the television. In South America, isn't it?)</span>		'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Television mein bhi dikhaya tha. Who chote chote khopadi hain usko sukha dete hain aur number se laga dete hain. ek sau-do sau. Yeh sab dikha dete hain, South-America mein kya?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It was shown on the television. There are small dried skulls, displayed chronologically 100 to 200. They show all this on the television. In South America, isn't it?)</span>

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, beads, they also purchase from the market. There is no harm. Either you take it from here or from the market.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, beads, they also purchase from the market. There is no harm. Either you take it from here or from the market.

	Haṁsadūta: We buy our beads at the market also. The thing is that if someone wants to be initiated, then he has to be prepared to follow some principles, four principles. Prabhupāda just mentioned them. He must be prepared to give up all intoxicants, all illicit sex life, meat-eating—meat, fish, eggs—and no gambling. And chant the prescribed number of rounds, sixteen rounds. So anyone can be initiated, but he must be prepared to follow these restrictions. Otherwise, the effect of the chanting will not be as . . .		'''Haṁsadūta:''' We buy our beads at the market also. The thing is that if someone wants to be initiated, then he has to be prepared to follow some principles, four principles. Prabhupāda just mentioned them. He must be prepared to give up all intoxicants, all illicit sex life, meat-eating—meat, fish, eggs—and no gambling. And chant the prescribed number of rounds, sixteen rounds. So anyone can be initiated, but he must be prepared to follow these restrictions. Otherwise, the effect of the chanting will not be as . . .

	'''Indian guest:''' As effective as it would be.		'''Indian guest:''' As effective as it would be.

	Haṁsadūta: Exactly.		'''Haṁsadūta:''' Exactly.

	'''Indian man (4):''' So what you're saying is that there's no harm by his . . .		'''Indian man (4):''' So what you're saying is that there's no harm by his . . .

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	'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Baki yeh India mei settle hone ka vichaar apke sang par aane ke baad hi hua hamara. Thoda spiritual line mei interest ho gya. Humne socha India mei . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Rest, we decided to return to India after coming in contact with you. We got a little interested in spirituality. We thought that in India . . .)</span>		'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Baki yeh India mei settle hone ka vichaar apke sang par aane ke baad hi hua hamara. Thoda spiritual line mei interest ho gya. Humne socha India mei . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Rest, we decided to return to India after coming in contact with you. We got a little interested in spirituality. We thought that in India . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Nahi, kahin bhi rahiye. . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, wherever you stay . . .)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Nahi, kahin bhi rahiye . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, wherever you stay . . .)</span>

	'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kuch humein aisa vaham ho gya tha ki Indian mei jaane se zyada spiritualism milega.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(We actually had this misconception that if we go to India we will get more spiritualism.)</span> And I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed, and I have come back. I think the life is more peaceful here than it is in India.		'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kuch humein aisa vaham ho gya tha ki Indian mei jaane se zyada spiritualism milega.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(We actually had this misconception that if we go to India we will get more spiritualism.)</span> And I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed, and I have come back. I think the life is more peaceful here than it is in India.
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	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Shiv Sena jinke paksh mein ho jayega voh jeetega bahut strong hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Whichever party is favored by Shiv Sena, that emerges victorious. It is very strong.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Shiv Sena jinke paksh mein ho jayega voh jeetega bahut strong hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Whichever party is favored by Shiv Sena, that emerges victorious. It is very strong.)</span>

	'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Uska jo leader hai . . . Musalman log yahan bahut hain, kya baat hai. Musalman bhi hamara paksh mein hain. Kya baat hai, mandir barbad karna?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Their leader is . . . even the ~~muslims~~ are in our favour. What's the matter, destroying the temple?)</span>		'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Uska jo leader hai . . . Musalman log yahan bahut hain, kya baat hai. Musalman bhi hamara paksh mein hain. Kya baat hai, mandir barbad karna?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Their leader is . . . even the Muslims are in our favour. What's the matter, destroying the temple?)</span>

	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Krishna aapke paksh mein hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Kṛṣṇa is on your side.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Krishna aapke paksh mein hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Kṛṣṇa is on your side.)</span>
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	Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Parīkṣit Mahārāja: ''śrī-viṣṇoḥ śravaṇe parīkṣit'' (Brs. 1.2.265). The item is ''śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.23-24\|SB 7.5.23]]): about Viṣṇu, to hear and chant. So simply by hearing about Viṣṇu, Parīkṣit Mahārāja became liberated. ''Śrī-viṣṇoḥ śravaṇe parīkṣid abhavad vaiyāsakiḥ kīrtane''. Vaiyāsaki, the son of Vyāsadeva, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, he became perfect ''kīrtane'', by ''kīrtana''. But he . . . he was . . . he did not chanted Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra'', but he recited ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. So that is also ''kīrtana''. Talking of Kṛṣṇa, that is also ''kīrtana''. ''Kīrtana'' does not always mean that you have to chan . . . you have to engage yourself always in glorifying the Lord.		Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Parīkṣit Mahārāja: ''śrī-viṣṇoḥ śravaṇe parīkṣit'' (Brs. 1.2.265). The item is ''śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.23-24\|SB 7.5.23]]): about Viṣṇu, to hear and chant. So simply by hearing about Viṣṇu, Parīkṣit Mahārāja became liberated. ''Śrī-viṣṇoḥ śravaṇe parīkṣid abhavad vaiyāsakiḥ kīrtane''. Vaiyāsaki, the son of Vyāsadeva, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, he became perfect ''kīrtane'', by ''kīrtana''. But he . . . he was . . . he did not chanted Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra'', but he recited ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. So that is also ''kīrtana''. Talking of Kṛṣṇa, that is also ''kīrtana''. ''Kīrtana'' does not always mean that you have to chan . . . you have to engage yourself always in glorifying the Lord.

	Just like Mahārāja Ambarīṣa. He was a busy emperor of the world, but he engaged himself . . . ''Sa vai puṁsām'' . . . er . . . ''kṛṣṇa-padāravindayoḥ. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayoḥ'' ([[SB 9.4.18-20\|SB 9.4.18]]). He fixed up his mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. This is first. If you fix up your mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, then: ''sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane'' ([[SB 9.4.18-20\|SB 9.4.18]]). And he was talking only, describing and glorifying Vaikuṇṭha. God's another name is Vaikuṇṭha. In Madras they say Veṅkateśvara.		Just like Mahārāja Ambarīṣa. He was a busy emperor of the world, but he engaged himself . . . ''sa vai puṁsām'' . . . er . . . ''kṛṣṇa-padāravindayoḥ. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayoḥ'' ([[SB 9.4.18-20\|SB 9.4.18]]). He fixed up his mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. This is first. If you fix up your mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, then: ''sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane'' ([[SB 9.4.18-20\|SB 9.4.18]]). And he was talking only, describing and glorifying Vaikuṇṭha. God's another name is Vaikuṇṭha. In Madras they say Veṅkateśvara.

	Vaikuṇṭha. ''Kuṇṭha'' means anxiety. So God has no anxiety, and God's devotees have no anxiety. Therefore they are ''vaikuṇṭha''. Here in the material world everyone has got anxiety. Therefore it is ''kuṇṭha'', the world of ''kuṇṭha'', anxieties. Everyone—birds, beast, human being—there must be ''kuṇṭha''. So God is Vaikuṇṭha. The ''vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane''. This is also chanting, ''kīrtana'', to describe about Vaikuṇṭha, Vaikuṇṭhaloka, Vaikuṇṭha person, Vaikuṇṭha devotees.		Vaikuṇṭha. ''Kuṇṭha'' means anxiety. So God has no anxiety, and God's devotees have no anxiety. Therefore they are ''vaikuṇṭha''. Here in the material world everyone has got anxiety. Therefore it is ''kuṇṭha'', the world of ''kuṇṭha'', anxieties. Everyone—birds, beast, human being—there must be ''kuṇṭha''. So God is Vaikuṇṭha. The ''vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane''. This is also chanting, ''kīrtana'', to describe about Vaikuṇṭha, Vaikuṇṭhaloka, Vaikuṇṭha person, Vaikuṇṭha devotees.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.

	'''Indian man (5):''' He's come around here. I think he came in London, to the Hare Kṛṣṇa temple in London. He came there. . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . all . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . this thing has really gone into my mind. And I don't drink, no meat, nothing else.		'''Indian man (5):''' He's come around here. I think he came in London, to the Hare Kṛṣṇa temple in London. He came there . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . all . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . this thing has really gone into my mind. And I don't drink, no meat, nothing else.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You don't eat meat?		'''Prabhupāda:''' You don't eat meat?
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	So Kṛṣṇa wants that ''patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalam'', "Vegetable, milk, rice, grains, you can give Me." So you have to please Kṛṣṇa. You live on this, what Kṛṣṇa says, and take Kṛṣṇa's ''prasādam''. That's all.		So Kṛṣṇa wants that ''patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalam'', "Vegetable, milk, rice, grains, you can give Me." So you have to please Kṛṣṇa. You live on this, what Kṛṣṇa says, and take Kṛṣṇa's ''prasādam''. That's all.

	(people entering room) <span style="color:#ff9933">Aiye. Sab aiye idhar aiiye . . . ~~Hamara~~ makaan bahut bada hai sabko . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Come here all of you . . . our house is very big . . .)</span>		(people entering room) <span style="color:#ff9933">Aiye. Sab aiye idhar aiiye . . . hamara makaan bahut bada hai sabko . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Come here all of you . . . our house is very big . . .)</span>

	"My dear boy, what best learning you have learned?" He was child, boy. So he said, ''tat sādhu manye 'sura-varya dehināṁ sadā samudvigna-dhiyām asad-grahāt'' ([[SB 7.5.5\|SB 7.5.5]]): "My dear father . . ." He did not address father as "Father"; he addressed him as ''asura-varya'', "the best of the ''asuras''."		"My dear boy, what best learning you have learned?" He was child, boy. So he said, ''tat sādhu manye 'sura-varya dehināṁ sadā samudvigna-dhiyām asad-grahāt'' ([[SB 7.5.5\|SB 7.5.5]]): "My dear father . . ." He did not address father as "Father"; he addressed him as ''asura-varya'', "the best of the ''asuras''."