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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . you read ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . you read ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

	(aside:) Bring ''Bhagavad-gītā''.		(aside) Bring ''Bhagavad-gītā''.

	'''Revatīnandana:''' Do you understand the necessity of controlling the mind and the senses? Can you see why it is necessary? Why would you say it's . . .		'''Revatīnandana:''' Do you understand the necessity of controlling the mind and the senses? Can you see why it is necessary? Why would you say it's . . .
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	'''Student (3):''' What do you mean by control your mind, I mean, control your senses? If your senses are controlled, can you see anything you wish or hear anything you wish? Or taste anything you wish?		'''Student (3):''' What do you mean by control your mind, I mean, control your senses? If your senses are controlled, can you see anything you wish or hear anything you wish? Or taste anything you wish?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside:) Just explain what is control, mind and senses.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Just explain what is control, mind and senses.

	'''Revatīnandana:''' Well, controlling, being in control of your mind and senses, means that whatever destination you fix up with your intelligence—you understand, you want a particular result—then if you are in control of your mind and senses, then it means that it won't disturb you.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Well, controlling, being in control of your mind and senses, means that whatever destination you fix up with your intelligence—you understand, you want a particular result—then if you are in control of your mind and senses, then it means that it won't disturb you.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no revealed scripture . . . just like why do you accept the Queen as the supreme? Why?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no revealed scripture . . . just like why do you accept the Queen as the supreme? Why?

	Students: We don't.		'''Students:''' We don't.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, then, then you are not very sane.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, then, then you are not very sane.
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	'''Revatīnandana:''' Yes.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Yes.

	Student: Your logic starts from the assumption that the book is correct.		'''Student:''' Your logic starts from the assumption that the book is correct.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why you are arguing? That is logic. Why you are arguing? Why don't you accept what I say? Why you are arguing? That is logic.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why you are arguing? That is logic. Why you are arguing? Why don't you accept what I say? Why you are arguing? That is logic.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Sixth Chapter, the practice of ''yoga''. The process.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Sixth Chapter, the practice of ''yoga''. The process.

	Pradyumna: Should I read from the beginning?		'''Pradyumna:''' Should I read from the beginning?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm. You read. Read.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm. You read. Read.

	Pradyumna: "To practice ''yoga'' . . ."		'''Pradyumna:''' "To practice ''yoga'' . . ."

	:''śucau deśe pratiṣṭhāpya''		:''śucau deśe pratiṣṭhāpya''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, first of all you have to find out secluded place. ''yoga'' practice is not possible in a hotel or in a public place. It is not possible. You have to find out a secluded place. First condition. Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, first of all you have to find out secluded place. ''yoga'' practice is not possible in a hotel or in a public place. It is not possible. You have to find out a secluded place. First condition. Then?

	Pradyumna: ". . . and should lay ''kuśa'' grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth."		'''Pradyumna:''' ". . . and should lay ''kuśa'' grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then there is process of making the ''āsana'', deerskin, ''kuśāsana'', then cloth. You have to sit down in that ''āsana. Āsana, dhyāna, dhāraṇā, prāṇ'' . . . then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then there is process of making the ''āsana'', deerskin, ''kuśāsana'', then cloth. You have to sit down in that ''āsana. Āsana, dhyāna, dhāraṇā, prāṇ'' . . . then?

	Pradyumna: "The seat should neither be too high nor too low."		'''Pradyumna:''' "The seat should neither be too high nor too low."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, everything is there. "It should not be too high nor too low." Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, everything is there. "It should not be too high nor too low." Then?

	Pradyumna: "And should be situated in a sacred place."		'''Pradyumna:''' "And should be situated in a sacred place."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' A sacred place. Just like formerly, those who were practicing ''yoga'', they were going to Gaṅgotri, where the Ganges is coming down, in the Himalaya, in the Haridwar, in a secluded, sacred place. These are the condition, first condition. So where you are getting these condition fulfilled? You cannot practice ''yoga'' in a hotel or in a club. That is not possible.		'''Prabhupāda:''' A sacred place. Just like formerly, those who were practicing ''yoga'', they were going to Gaṅgotri, where the Ganges is coming down, in the Himalaya, in the Haridwar, in a secluded, sacred place. These are the condition, first condition. So where you are getting these condition fulfilled? You cannot practice ''yoga'' in a hotel or in a club. That is not possible.
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	'''Student (2):''' How do you decide whether a place is sacred or not?		'''Student (2):''' How do you decide whether a place is sacred or not?

	Pradyumna: How do you decide whether a place is sacred or not? How do you tell?		'''Pradyumna:''' How do you decide whether a place is sacred or not? How do you tell?

	'''Revatīnandana:''' What is a sacred place?		'''Revatīnandana:''' What is a sacred place?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They used to sit down in the Himalaya where the Ganges is coming. That is a sacred place. If you go simply on the Ganges side on the bank of the Ganges, Yamunā, you will find immediately purified your mind. Immediately. Or on a seaside where there is nobody disturbing. These are sacred places. Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They used to sit down in the Himalaya where the Ganges is coming. That is a sacred place. If you go simply on the Ganges side on the bank of the Ganges, Yamunā, you will find immediately purified your mind. Immediately. Or on a seaside where there is nobody disturbing. These are sacred places. Then?

	Pradyumna: "The ''yogī'' should then sit on it very firmly."		'''Pradyumna:''' "The ''yogī'' should then sit on it very firmly."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then ''yogī'' has to sit down very firmly like this. Yes, straight, perpendicularly. Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then ''yogī'' has to sit down very firmly like this. Yes, straight, perpendicularly. Then?

	Pradyumna: "And should practice ''yoga'' by controlling the mind and the senses."		'''Pradyumna:''' "And should practice ''yoga'' by controlling the mind and the senses."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he has to practice meditation for controlling the mind and the senses. First of all ''āsana'', place, sacred place; now, ''āsana'', secluded place, alone. That is stated. These are the yogic process.(break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he has to practice meditation for controlling the mind and the senses. First of all ''āsana'', place, sacred place; now, ''āsana'', secluded place, alone. That is stated. These are the yogic process.(break)
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	(aside) You read the translation.		(aside) You read the translation.

	Pradyumna: "Of all ''yogīs'', he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in ''yoga'' and is the highest of all."		'''Pradyumna:''' "Of all ''yogīs'', he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in ''yoga'' and is the highest of all."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. This is the highest ''yoga''. So to concentrate your mind on Kṛṣṇa, that is highest perfection of ''yoga''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. This is the highest ''yoga''. So to concentrate your mind on Kṛṣṇa, that is highest perfection of ''yoga''.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramam'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.12]]), in the Tenth Chapter.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramam'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.12]]), in the Tenth Chapter.

	Pradyumna: 10.10?		'''Pradyumna:''' 10.10?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān''.

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma''		:''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, go on.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, go on.

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve''		:''āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now he is referring to great sages, on the authority.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now he is referring to great sages, on the authority.

	Pradyumna: ". . . and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me."		'''Pradyumna:''' ". . . and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then? ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' ([[BG 10.14 (1972)\|BG 10.14]])?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then? ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' ([[BG 10.14 (1972)\|BG 10.14]])?

	Pradyumna: ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Yan māṁ vadasi keśava.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Yan māṁ vadasi keśava.''

	Pradyumna: . . . ''yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavan vyaktiṁ vidur devā na dānavāḥ'': "O Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality."		'''Pradyumna:''' . . . ''yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavan vyaktiṁ vidur devā na dānavāḥ'': "O Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. Immediately he understands Kṛṣṇa. ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' ([[BG 10.14 (1972)\|BG 10.14]]): "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And "You are accepted by Devala, Nārada, Vyāsa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the ''ācāryas'' have accepted. Then I'll follow: ''mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). I'll have to follow great personalities."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. Immediately he understands Kṛṣṇa. ''Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye'' ([[BG 10.14 (1972)\|BG 10.14]]): "Whatever You have spoken, I accept it," Then there is no difficulty. And "You are accepted by Devala, Nārada, Vyāsa, and You are speaking Yourself, and later on, all the ''ācāryas'' have accepted. Then I'll follow: ''mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). I'll have to follow great personalities."

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you very much. (guests leave) So bring little milk.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you very much. (guests leave) So bring little milk.

	Devotees: (indistinct discussion) 10 o'clock . . . quarter to Ten.		'''Devotees:''' (indistinct discussion) 10 o'clock . . . quarter to Ten.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? Yes. (end)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? Yes. (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he has to practice meditation for controlling the mind and the senses. First of all ''āsana'', place, sacred place; now, ''āsana'', secluded place, alone. That is stated. These are the yogic process.(break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he has to practice meditation for controlling the mind and the senses. First of all ''āsana'', place, sacred place; now, ''āsana'', secluded place, alone. That is stated. These are the yogic process.(break)

	Student (3): What do you mean by control your mind, I mean, control your senses? If your senses are controlled, can you see anything you wish or hear anything you wish? Or taste anything you wish?		'''Student (3):''' What do you mean by control your mind, I mean, control your senses? If your senses are controlled, can you see anything you wish or hear anything you wish? Or taste anything you wish?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside:) Just explain what is control, mind and senses.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside:) Just explain what is control, mind and senses.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, I am giving an example. No, officially, she is the supreme of England. That you cannot deny. If you do so, then your position, you know. Similarly, anything . . . "Call a spade a spade." If everyone says that this is electric lamp, and if you say, "No, I don't say," then what can be done?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, I am giving an example. No, officially, she is the supreme of England. That you cannot deny. If you do so, then your position, you know. Similarly, anything . . . "Call a spade a spade." If everyone says that this is electric lamp, and if you say, "No, I don't say," then what can be done?

	Student (3): But we can see an electric lamp, but we can't see Kṛṣṇa.		'''Student (3):''' But we can see an electric lamp, but we can't see Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that . . . that is . . . you have to see through the ''śāstra, śāstra-cakṣuṣā.'' Just like you see the sun just like a disc, but when you go through the ''śāstra'', authorized books, you understand that it is fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this earth. So what is the value of your seeing? Why do you believe you're seeing so much? Your all seeing is defective. You cannot say that you are perfectly see. You cannot say that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that . . . that is . . . you have to see through the ''śāstra, śāstra-cakṣuṣā.'' Just like you see the sun just like a disc, but when you go through the ''śāstra'', authorized books, you understand that it is fourteen hundred thousand times bigger than this earth. So what is the value of your seeing? Why do you believe you're seeing so much? Your all seeing is defective. You cannot say that you are perfectly see. You cannot say that.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no question of belief. Now let us quest . . . we believe that, "If I see, that is all right." But what is the value of your seeing? You cannot see beyond this wall. Does it mean there is nothing? So what is the value of your seeing? First of all you consider. You are questioning that, "I cannot see," but what is the value of your seeing?		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no question of belief. Now let us quest . . . we believe that, "If I see, that is all right." But what is the value of your seeing? You cannot see beyond this wall. Does it mean there is nothing? So what is the value of your seeing? First of all you consider. You are questioning that, "I cannot see," but what is the value of your seeing?

	Student (3): My seeing the electric lamp tells me that it is . . .		'''Student (3):''' My seeing the electric lamp tells me that it is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, now, now, but you are seeing the electric lamp, but why do you believe so much on your seeing power? You cannot see so many things, even though you have got the eyes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, now, now, but you are seeing the electric lamp, but why do you believe so much on your seeing power? You cannot see so many things, even though you have got the eyes.

	Student (3): I have no reason not to believe.		'''Student (3):''' I have no reason not to believe.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that is not good. If you say: "I cannot see beyond this wall. There is nothing," nobody will take your words.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that is not good. If you say: "I cannot see beyond this wall. There is nothing," nobody will take your words.

	Student (3): Well, I don't know about that. I can see the wall . . .		'''Student (3):''' Well, I don't know about that. I can see the wall . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You can say you don't know, but you cannot say that because you do not see, therefore it is nothing. You cannot say that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' You can say you don't know, but you cannot say that because you do not see, therefore it is nothing. You cannot say that.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Here is Nārada, Devala, Vyāsa, authority.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Here is Nārada, Devala, Vyāsa, authority.

	Student (3): No, we're not saying we do, but some people do, anyway.		'''Student (3):''' No, we're not saying we do, but some people do, anyway.

	'''Student (1):''' Yeah, they'll argue just as convincingly as you.		'''Student (1):''' Yeah, they'll argue just as convincingly as you.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But everyone can say: "I am God." Then how you'll understand? If Guru Mahārāja says, I can say also. He can say. Then go on studying who is God. The same question: Everyone says: "I am your father," "I am your father," "I am your father," but whom you have to believe? You have to believe only mother.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But everyone can say: "I am God." Then how you'll understand? If Guru Mahārāja says, I can say also. He can say. Then go on studying who is God. The same question: Everyone says: "I am your father," "I am your father," "I am your father," but whom you have to believe? You have to believe only mother.

	Student (3): Okay, well who's the mother in this case?		'''Student (3):''' Okay, well who's the mother in this case?

	Revatīnandana: The ''śāstra'', revealed scriptures. They give information about the father.		Revatīnandana: The ''śāstra'', revealed scriptures. They give information about the father.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' And where is our experience—from void a son is born? Where is your experience?		'''Prabhupāda:''' And where is our experience—from void a son is born? Where is your experience?

	Student (3): What do you mean?		'''Student (3):''' What do you mean?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Suppose you are a person. You have dropped from the void?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Suppose you are a person. You have dropped from the void?

	Student (3): I'm not arguing for Divine Light or anything. I'm just trying to . . .		'''Student (3):''' I'm not arguing for Divine Light or anything. I'm just trying to . . .

	Revatīnandana: No, just take it philosophically. Can a person come from a void? Void means zero. But a person is not zero. He has so many personal qualities.		Revatīnandana: No, just take it philosophically. Can a person come from a void? Void means zero. But a person is not zero. He has so many personal qualities.

	Student (3): I mean, if you stick to strict logic, you can't . . . no, right. But I mean this isn't logical, is it?		'''Student (3):''' I mean, if you stick to strict logic, you can't . . . no, right. But I mean this isn't logical, is it?

	Revatīnandana: Sometimes by logic you can find out what is false. What is truth, that we get from authority.		Revatīnandana: Sometimes by logic you can find out what is false. What is truth, that we get from authority.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why you are arguing? That is logic. Why you are arguing? Why don't you accept what I say? Why you are arguing? That is logic.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why you are arguing? That is logic. Why you are arguing? Why don't you accept what I say? Why you are arguing? That is logic.

	Student (3): Because so many people say different things, which conflict.		'''Student (3):''' Because so many people say different things, which conflict.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore you are taking the shelter of logic. You are taking the shelter.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore you are taking the shelter of logic. You are taking the shelter.
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	So everything requires training, undergoing the process. Then it is possible. It is not impossible. So if you also go, the training, the process, you'll also understand. It is not difficult.		So everything requires training, undergoing the process. Then it is possible. It is not impossible. So if you also go, the training, the process, you'll also understand. It is not difficult.

	Student (3): To be Kṛṣṇa conscious, one needs faith that Kṛṣṇa exists, and . . .		'''Student (3):''' To be Kṛṣṇa conscious, one needs faith that Kṛṣṇa exists, and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Not only "Kṛṣṇa exists," "What is my relationship with Kṛṣṇa? What is my duty in that relationship?" Everything.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Not only "Kṛṣṇa exists," "What is my relationship with Kṛṣṇa? What is my duty in that relationship?" Everything.
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	Revatīnandana: Just see. Who can produce this? (referring to flower) Who can produce something like this? Supposing you take your best chemists and engineers . . .		Revatīnandana: Just see. Who can produce this? (referring to flower) Who can produce something like this? Supposing you take your best chemists and engineers . . .

	Student (3): Well, you must call it God, mustn't you.		'''Student (3):''' Well, you must call it God, mustn't you.

	Revatīnandana: And you see who can produce, right? They cannot produce anything with this texture, this nice smell, you see?		Revatīnandana: And you see who can produce, right? They cannot produce anything with this texture, this nice smell, you see?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He knows it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He knows it.

	Student (3): It doesn't smell.		'''Student (3):''' It doesn't smell.

	Revatīnandana: So many persons can make an artificial flower that's not as nice as that one, but they cannot reproduce that. And then we say that Kṛṣṇa is the Personality of Godhead, who is full of knowledge, full of beauty, full of power. With full knowledge, beauty and power . . .		Revatīnandana: So many persons can make an artificial flower that's not as nice as that one, but they cannot reproduce that. And then we say that Kṛṣṇa is the Personality of Godhead, who is full of knowledge, full of beauty, full of power. With full knowledge, beauty and power . . .
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	Revatīnandana: Then, when you can see a flower in this consciousness, then you can see Kṛṣṇa. Through that flower, Kṛṣṇa is smiling at you. He is offering, He is smiling at you through that flower, and He is there, smiling.		Revatīnandana: Then, when you can see a flower in this consciousness, then you can see Kṛṣṇa. Through that flower, Kṛṣṇa is smiling at you. He is offering, He is smiling at you through that flower, and He is there, smiling.

	Student (3): I can see a God, smiling at me from the flower.		'''Student (3):''' I can see a God, smiling at me from the flower.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
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	Revatīnandana: That's right.		Revatīnandana: That's right.

	Student (3): I see no relationship with the flower . . . (indistinct) . . . ''Bhagavad-gītā''.		'''Student (3):''' I see no relationship with the flower . . . (indistinct) . . . ''Bhagavad-gītā''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So but you do not know who is God. That is the difference.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So but you do not know who is God. That is the difference.
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	Revatīnandana: All glories to Prabhupāda. (offers obeisances) So Prabhupāda will take some rest now.		Revatīnandana: All glories to Prabhupāda. (offers obeisances) So Prabhupāda will take some rest now.

	Student (3): Thanks very much for talking to us.		'''Student (3):''' Thanks very much for talking to us.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you very much. (guests leave) So bring little milk.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you very much. (guests leave) So bring little milk.