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RasaRasika at 06:05, 10 December 2023

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	'''Sir Alistair Hardy:''' Well, I agree . . .		'''Sir Alistair Hardy:''' Well, I agree . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, just try . . . just hear me. Because from Vedic injunction we understand, ''eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13): God alone provides everyone with all the necessities of life. And in your Christian faith also, you ask God, "Give us our daily bread." You accept that God is the supplier. So there is no question of population. The population may increase hundred times what it is now, God is able to provide them. But we do not believe in God. That is our main disease.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, just try . . . just hear me. Because from Vedic injunction we understand, ''eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13): God alone provides everyone with all the necessities of life. And in your Christian faith also, you ask God, "Give us our daily bread." You accept that God is the supplier. So there is no question of population. The population may increase hundred times what it is now, God is able to provide them. But we do not believe in God. That is our main disease.

	That we can see in the jungles in Africa there are hundreds of millions of elephants. Who is supplying them food? They eat at a time tons, and they are also eating. They have no economic problem. Similarly one ant, he wants only a grain of sugar—still it has got problem, where to find out that grain.		That we can see in the jungles in Africa there are hundreds of millions of elephants. Who is supplying them food? They eat at a time tons, and they are also eating. They have no economic problem. Similarly one ant, he wants only a grain of sugar—still it has got problem, where to find out that grain.
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	'''Sir Alistair Hardy:''' Yes, I would agree. I would agree.		'''Sir Alistair Hardy:''' Yes, I would agree. I would agree.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not my creation. This is said in the ''Upaniṣad'': ''yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavanti'' (''Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad'' 1.3). If you understand God, then everything will be understood automatically. Automatically. ''Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavanti''. Therefore real problem is how to know God. So everyone, all scholars, all educationists, all thinkers, they should concentrate now to this problem—how people will understand God? That will solve all of their problems.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not my creation. This is said in the ''Upaniṣad'': ''yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavanti'' (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). If you understand God, then everything will be understood automatically. Automatically. ''Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavanti''. Therefore real problem is how to know God. So everyone, all scholars, all educationists, all thinkers, they should concentrate now to this problem—how people will understand God? That will solve all of their problems.

	And we are pushing on this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, with this view, that let people understand what is God; then all other problems will be solved. So far we are concerned, you may take it or not. We have no problems, practically, because we are simply after God. We have no other business, so therefore we think we have no problem, practically. We have got about 102 centers, as big. Now our Los Angeles center . . . where is that picture?		And we are pushing on this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, with this view, that let people understand what is God; then all other problems will be solved. So far we are concerned, you may take it or not. We have no problems, practically, because we are simply after God. We have no other business, so therefore we think we have no problem, practically. We have got about 102 centers, as big. Now our Los Angeles center . . . where is that picture?

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	(aside) Read it.		(aside) Read it.

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke''		:''mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke''
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	(aside) The purport?		(aside) The purport?

	Pradyumna: "In this verse the identity of the living being is clearly given. The living being is the fragmental part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, eternally. It is not that he assumes individuality in his conditioned life and in his liberated state becomes one with the Supreme Lord. He is eternally fragmented. It is clearly said ''sanātanaḥ''."		'''Pradyumna:''' "In this verse the identity of the living being is clearly given. The living being is the fragmental part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, eternally. It is not that he assumes individuality in his conditioned life and in his liberated state becomes one with the Supreme Lord. He is eternally fragmented. It is clearly said ''sanātanaḥ''."

	"According to the Vedic version, the Supreme Lord manifests and expands Himself in innumerable expansions, of which the primary expansions are called ''viṣṇu-tattva'' and the secondary expansions are called the living entities. In other words, the ''viṣṇu-tattva'' is the personal expansion, and the living entities are separated expansions. By His personal expansion, He is manifested in various forms like Lord Rāma, Nṛsiṁha . . . Nṛsiṁhadeva, Viṣṇumūrti and all the predominating Deities in the Vaikuṇṭha planets."		"According to the Vedic version, the Supreme Lord manifests and expands Himself in innumerable expansions, of which the primary expansions are called ''viṣṇu-tattva'' and the secondary expansions are called the living entities. In other words, the ''viṣṇu-tattva'' is the personal expansion, and the living entities are separated expansions. By His personal expansion, He is manifested in various forms like Lord Rāma, Nṛsiṁha . . . Nṛsiṁhadeva, Viṣṇumūrti and all the predominating Deities in the Vaikuṇṭha planets."
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Bring that picture.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Bring that picture.

	Pradyumna: It is not here. She went to get it framed in the city.		'''Pradyumna:''' It is not here. She went to get it framed in the city.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. That . . . in each center we have got about 200 devotees—at least 50, minimum 50, highest 200—and we have got 102 centers. And mostly they are not Indians—they are Europeans and Americans, Canadians, whose standard of living is better than the Indians. But we are providing. We are providing them with place, with food, with car, with all comforts. But we have no problems. Kṛṣṇa, God, is providing us. So similarly, if we actually . . . actually we have to depend on God. It is artificially we are thinking that we can solve our problems. You cannot.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. That . . . in each center we have got about 200 devotees—at least 50, minimum 50, highest 200—and we have got 102 centers. And mostly they are not Indians—they are Europeans and Americans, Canadians, whose standard of living is better than the Indians. But we are providing. We are providing them with place, with food, with car, with all comforts. But we have no problems. Kṛṣṇa, God, is providing us. So similarly, if we actually . . . actually we have to depend on God. It is artificially we are thinking that we can solve our problems. You cannot.
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	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''annād bhavanti bhūtāni''		:''annād bhavanti bhūtāni''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is this attempt to perform sacrifices? That is gone. That is altogether gone. So how you can expect ''yajñād bhavati parjanyo''? These are the nature's law. If you do not admit the favor of the Providence . . . ''yajña'' means to satisfy the Supreme, Yajña. Kṛṣṇa's another . . . God's another name is ''Yajña. Yajñārthāt''. So we should work for Kṛṣṇa, ''yajñād, yajñād bhavati'' . . .?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is this attempt to perform sacrifices? That is gone. That is altogether gone. So how you can expect ''yajñād bhavati parjanyo''? These are the nature's law. If you do not admit the favor of the Providence . . . ''yajña'' means to satisfy the Supreme, Yajña. Kṛṣṇa's another . . . God's another name is ''Yajña. Yajñārthāt''. So we should work for Kṛṣṇa, ''yajñād, yajñād bhavati'' . . .?

	Pradyumna: ''Yajñād bhavati parjanyo''.		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Yajñād bhavati parjanyo''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Parjanyo''. Then there will be regular supply of rain. And in Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira's time it is said that ''parjanyaḥ . . . kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ'' ([[SB 1.10.4\|SB 1.10.4]]). We get all our necessities of life by this rainfall, and this rainfall is possible when there is performance of ''yajñā''. So we are not following this, so how these problems can be solved? The real problem is therefore godlessness. They are defying God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Parjanyo''. Then there will be regular supply of rain. And in Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira's time it is said that ''parjanyaḥ . . . kāmaṁ vavarṣa parjanyaḥ'' ([[SB 1.10.4\|SB 1.10.4]]). We get all our necessities of life by this rainfall, and this rainfall is possible when there is performance of ''yajñā''. So we are not following this, so how these problems can be solved? The real problem is therefore godlessness. They are defying God.
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	:([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]])		:([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]])

	Pradyumna: "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth."		'''Pradyumna:''' "Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So everything, any scientific method, we have to know from the person who knows it. So why manifestation? Just try to understand directly from God, Kṛṣṇa. Lord Kṛṣṇa is accepted by all scholars, all saintly persons, past and present, the Supreme Lord: ''āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.13]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' So everything, any scientific method, we have to know from the person who knows it. So why manifestation? Just try to understand directly from God, Kṛṣṇa. Lord Kṛṣṇa is accepted by all scholars, all saintly persons, past and present, the Supreme Lord: ''āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.13]]).
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	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''arjuna uvāca''		:''arjuna uvāca''
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	Sir Alistair Hardy: This is just as Jesus or Paul, or the other Christians, have said just the same thing. I think it is all part of the same . . . it's the same manifestation.		Sir Alistair Hardy: This is just as Jesus or Paul, or the other Christians, have said just the same thing. I think it is all part of the same . . . it's the same manifestation.

	Pradyumna: But it's completely valid, whereas . . . whereas someone . . . it depends upon his perception of God, and that has to be measured according to certain standards. You can't . . . you have to . . . you say that someone will say: "Well, I have experienced something of God," but you have to measure his perception by some standard. And the standard that is in these ''śāstras'', or scriptures, is an absolute standard . . . (break) (end)		'''Pradyumna:''' But it's completely valid, whereas . . . whereas someone . . . it depends upon his perception of God, and that has to be measured according to certain standards. You can't . . . you have to . . . you say that someone will say: "Well, I have experienced something of God," but you have to measure his perception by some standard. And the standard that is in these ''śāstras'', or scriptures, is an absolute standard . . . (break) (end)

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	And we are pushing on this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, with this view, that let people understand what is God; then all other problems will be solved. So far we are concerned, you may take it or not. We have no problems, practically, because we are simply after God. We have no other business, so therefore we think we have no problem, practically. We have got about 102 centers, as big. Now our Los Angeles center . . . where is that picture?		And we are pushing on this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, with this view, that let people understand what is God; then all other problems will be solved. So far we are concerned, you may take it or not. We have no problems, practically, because we are simply after God. We have no other business, so therefore we think we have no problem, practically. We have got about 102 centers, as big. Now our Los Angeles center . . . where is that picture?

	Haṁsadūta: Two hundred . . .		'''Haṁsadūta:''' Two hundred . . .

	'''Girl devotee:''' Mālatī has it. She is getting . . . (indistinct)		'''Girl devotee:''' Mālatī has it. She is getting . . . (indistinct)

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	Haṁsadūta: Two hundred . . .		Haṁsadūta: Two hundred . . .

	Girl devotee: Mālatī has it. She is getting . . . (indistinct)		'''Girl devotee:''' Mālatī has it. She is getting . . . (indistinct)

	Prabhupāda: Yes. Bring that picture.		Prabhupāda: Yes. Bring that picture.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Here is the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' verse, in the Fifteenth Chapter, ''mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Here is the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' verse, in the Fifteenth Chapter, ''mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ''.

	Revatīnandana: The first part of that statement was that everything that is in God is partly represented in man.		'''Revatīnandana:''' The first part of that statement was that everything that is in God is partly represented in man.

	Sir Alistair Hardy: Yes, yes.		Sir Alistair Hardy: Yes, yes.

	Revatīnandana: That was the first part, wasn't it?		'''Revatīnandana:''' That was the first part, wasn't it?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So here that there are, of course, a number of problems of human life. Yes. There are a number of problems. Just like when a man becomes diseased, particular type of disease—suppose he is attacked with, infected with typhoid fever. So he has got so many symptoms, but the diagnosis is, doctor says that he is infected with typhoid fever. Similarly, our one problem is that we do not know what is God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So here that there are, of course, a number of problems of human life. Yes. There are a number of problems. Just like when a man becomes diseased, particular type of disease—suppose he is attacked with, infected with typhoid fever. So he has got so many symptoms, but the diagnosis is, doctor says that he is infected with typhoid fever. Similarly, our one problem is that we do not know what is God.
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	It is just like nowadays in India, there is great scarcity of rain—not only in India; every part of the world—and it will increase, increase. It is stated in the ''Bhāgavat'' that ''anāvṛṣṭi'' ([[SB 12.2.9\|SB 12.2.9]]): for want of rain, for want of foodstuff, and people will be taxed very much by the government. So one side famine and scarcity of rain, and other side government's operation for taxing. In this way people will be faced with so many problems, harassed, that they will give up their hearth and home and go to the forest and mountain, disgusted. Where is the solution to the problem in civilized world? People are being harassed more and more by taxation. Now what if there is no rain? What you could solve? What is in your hand?		It is just like nowadays in India, there is great scarcity of rain—not only in India; every part of the world—and it will increase, increase. It is stated in the ''Bhāgavat'' that ''anāvṛṣṭi'' ([[SB 12.2.9\|SB 12.2.9]]): for want of rain, for want of foodstuff, and people will be taxed very much by the government. So one side famine and scarcity of rain, and other side government's operation for taxing. In this way people will be faced with so many problems, harassed, that they will give up their hearth and home and go to the forest and mountain, disgusted. Where is the solution to the problem in civilized world? People are being harassed more and more by taxation. Now what if there is no rain? What you could solve? What is in your hand?

	Revatīnandana: Just some time back, some people were talking to me about how there was a green revolution in India. The agriculture, they developed new grains and seeds, hybrids, for producing so much grains, and they said: "Now we have this green revolution, it will solve the problems of the underdeveloped countries." Now it is not raining, so there is no green.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Just some time back, some people were talking to me about how there was a green revolution in India. The agriculture, they developed new grains and seeds, hybrids, for producing so much grains, and they said: "Now we have this green revolution, it will solve the problems of the underdeveloped countries." Now it is not raining, so there is no green.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore you are dependent on rain. So ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, ''parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ. Parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]). Unless there is rain, how you can produce grains? It is not possible. So therefore ultimately you have to depend on God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore you are dependent on rain. So ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says, ''parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ. Parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]). Unless there is rain, how you can produce grains? It is not possible. So therefore ultimately you have to depend on God.
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	There is no question of economic development, because after all, we are depending. If there is no rain, two, three years, five years if there is no rain, all economic development will be finished. So the rain is in the hands of God. We have to look forward, upward, when the rain is coming. ''Yajñād bhavati parjanyo parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]).		There is no question of economic development, because after all, we are depending. If there is no rain, two, three years, five years if there is no rain, all economic development will be finished. So the rain is in the hands of God. We have to look forward, upward, when the rain is coming. ''Yajñād bhavati parjanyo parjanyād anna-sambhavaḥ'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]).

	Revatīnandana: Even now they are complaining that there is insufficient rainfall in England.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Even now they are complaining that there is insufficient rainfall in England.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Revatīnandana: They are putting signs on the buses, "Pray for rain." But will they pray to God for rain? They won't even pray for . . .		'''Revatīnandana:''' They are putting signs on the buses, "Pray for rain." But will they pray to God for rain? They won't even pray for . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ultimately they have to pray. When there was war, Churchill asked all citizens to go to the church and pray; similarly the Germans also, they prayed. Some of them, after their prayer, when the prayer was not fulfilled, they became atheist. Yes. They have taken God as order-supplier. I declare war without sanction of God, and when there is reverse condition I pray to God, "Save me." Just see. God will not ask, "Did you declare the war consulting Me?" At that time there was no need of God. The politicians, by their whims, "All right, declare war."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ultimately they have to pray. When there was war, Churchill asked all citizens to go to the church and pray; similarly the Germans also, they prayed. Some of them, after their prayer, when the prayer was not fulfilled, they became atheist. Yes. They have taken God as order-supplier. I declare war without sanction of God, and when there is reverse condition I pray to God, "Save me." Just see. God will not ask, "Did you declare the war consulting Me?" At that time there was no need of God. The politicians, by their whims, "All right, declare war."
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	You should approach one who knows. What this commissioner, High Commissioner, this commissioner, the politicians . . . useless. I can tell you frankly this is useless attempt.		You should approach one who knows. What this commissioner, High Commissioner, this commissioner, the politicians . . . useless. I can tell you frankly this is useless attempt.

	Revatīnandana: Approaching a politician for knowledge of God.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Approaching a politician for knowledge of God.

	Sir Alistair Hardy: Oh, no. But he is interested.		Sir Alistair Hardy: Oh, no. But he is interested.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What does he know about God?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What does he know about God?

	Revatīnandana: Official interest, he is saying.		'''Revatīnandana:''' Official interest, he is saying.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is official interest.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is official interest.