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	'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . of men. ''Bhukti'' and ''mukti''. So they have manufactured so many "isms," ''bhukti''-ism and ''mukti''-ism. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says: "Give up all these 'ism.' Simply take surrender unto Me, that's all." This is real love.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (indistinct) . . . of men. ''Bhukti'' and ''mukti''. So they have manufactured so many "isms," ''bhukti''-ism and ''mukti''-ism. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says: "Give up all these 'ism.' Simply take surrender unto Me, that's all." This is real love.

	'''Satish Kumar:''' Yes. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">To abhi . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So now . . .)</span>		'''Satish Kumar:''' Yes. <span style="color:#ec710e">To abhi . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So now . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Ācchā.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ācchā.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

	'''Satish Kumar:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Agya . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I shall leave . . .)</span>		'''Satish Kumar:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Agya . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I shall leave . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Phir aiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please come again.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Phir aiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please come again.)</span>

	'''Satish Kumar:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Ha. Chaliye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Surely. (aside) Let us go.)</span> (end)		'''Satish Kumar:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ha. Chaliye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Surely. (aside) Let us go.)</span> (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is, this is . . . this world is material world. And . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is, this is . . . this world is material world. And . . .

	(aside:) Why don't you come here? You can take another pad, sit comfortably.		(aside) Why don't you come here? You can take another pad, sit comfortably.

	'''Woman guest:''' It's too hot over there. Because of the fire.		'''Woman guest:''' It's too hot over there. Because of the fire.
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	:''daivena phalati divya-kiśora-mūrtiḥ''		:''daivena phalati divya-kiśora-mūrtiḥ''
	:''muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān . . .''		:''muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān . . .''
	:(''Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta'' 107)		:(Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta 107)

	And ''dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ. Dharmārtha-kāma'', this is ''karmī's'' position. And ''mokṣa'' is ''mukti's'' position. So he says that "If I've got unflinching devotional attitude upon You, my Lord, then ''mukti'' is at my door, with folded hands. And this ''dharmārtha-kāma'', they're at my command." Simply by ''bhakti''. The people are after ''dharma'', ''artha, kāma, mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]], [[CC Adi 1.90\|CC Ādi 1.90]]), so these four things become at the order of a ''bhakta. Muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ.''		And ''dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ. Dharmārtha-kāma'', this is ''karmī's'' position. And ''mokṣa'' is ''mukti's'' position. So he says that "If I've got unflinching devotional attitude upon You, my Lord, then ''mukti'' is at my door, with folded hands. And this ''dharmārtha-kāma'', they're at my command." Simply by ''bhakti''. The people are after ''dharma'', ''artha, kāma, mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]], [[CC Adi 1.90\|CC Ādi 1.90]]), so these four things become at the order of a ''bhakta. Muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ.''

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, detachment and ''jñāna. Jñāna-vairāgya''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, detachment and ''jñāna. Jñāna-vairāgya''.

	'''Satish Kumar:''' Hmm. The ''jñāna-vairāgya.		'''Satish Kumar:''' Hmm. The ''jñāna-vairāgya.''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the real achievement of human life, that ''jñāna-vairāgya'' can be achieved simply by ''bhakti''-''yoga''. ''Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti''-''yogaḥ prayojitaḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.7\|SB 1.2.7]]). Ah? ''Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti yo . . . janayaty āśu vairāgyam. Janayaty āśu vairāgyam.'' Just like these boys.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the real achievement of human life, that ''jñāna-vairāgya'' can be achieved simply by ''bhakti''-''yoga''. ''Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti''-''yogaḥ prayojitaḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.7\|SB 1.2.7]]). Ah? ''Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti yo . . . janayaty āśu vairāgyam. Janayaty āśu vairāgyam.'' Just like these boys.

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	(aside) What is that? Read that.		(aside) What is that? Read that.

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''kula-kṣaye praṇaśyanti''		:''kula-kṣaye praṇaśyanti''
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	(aside) Hmm. What is that?		(aside) Hmm. What is that?

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''yady apy ete na paśyanti''		:''yady apy ete na paśyanti''
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	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''tac chraddadhānā munayo''		:''tac chraddadhānā munayo''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Paś . . . tac chraddadhānā munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā. Jñāna'' and ''vairāgya''. Without ''jñāna-vairāgya'' you cannot make any spiritual advancement. Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Paś . . . tac chraddadhānā munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā. Jñāna'' and ''vairāgya''. Without ''jñāna-vairāgya'' you cannot make any spiritual advancement. Then?

	Pradyumna: ''Paśyanty ātmani cātmānam'' . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Paśyanty ātmani cātmānam'' . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah.

	Pradyumna: . . . ''bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā.''		'''Pradyumna:''' . . . ''bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā.''

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā. Śruta-gṛhītayā'': by hearing from authority. ''Śruta. Gṛhītayā. Jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā''. This is the process. ''Tac chraddadhānā munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā, paśyanty ātmānam ātmani, śruta-gṛhītayā . . . bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā'' ([[SB 1.2.12\|SB 1.2.12]]). This is the process.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā. Śruta-gṛhītayā'': by hearing from authority. ''Śruta. Gṛhītayā. Jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā''. This is the process. ''Tac chraddadhānā munayo jñāna-vairāgya-yuktayā, paśyanty ātmānam ātmani, śruta-gṛhītayā . . . bhaktyā śruta-gṛhītayā'' ([[SB 1.2.12\|SB 1.2.12]]). This is the process.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the purport?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the purport?

	Pradyumna: "The Absolute Truth is realized in full by the process of devotional service to the Lord Vāsudeva, or the Personality of Godhead . . ."		'''Pradyumna:''' "The Absolute Truth is realized in full by the process of devotional service to the Lord Vāsudeva, or the Personality of Godhead . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is confirmed in ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)\|BG 18.55]]). Never says by ''jñāna mām abhijānāti'' or by ''karma'' ''mām abhijānāti.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is confirmed in ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ'' ([[BG 18.55 (1972)\|BG 18.55]]). Never says by ''jñāna mām abhijānāti'' or by ''karma'' ''mām abhijānāti.''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Go on.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Go on.

	Pradyumna: ". . . who is the full-fledged Absolute Truth. Brahman is His transcendental bodily effulgence, and Paramātmā is His partial representation. As such, Brahman or Paramātmā realization of the Absolute Truth is but a partial realization. There are four different types of living beings: the ''karmīs'', the ''jñānīs'', the ''yogīs'' and the devotees. The ''karmīs'' are materialistic, whereas the other three are transcendental. The first-class transcendentalists are the devotees who have realized the Supreme Person. The second-class transcendentalists are those who have partially realized the plenary portion of the Absolute Person. And the third-class transcendentalists are those who have barely realized the spiritual focus of the Absolute Person."		'''Pradyumna:''' ". . . who is the full-fledged Absolute Truth. Brahman is His transcendental bodily effulgence, and Paramātmā is His partial representation. As such, Brahman or Paramātmā realization of the Absolute Truth is but a partial realization. There are four different types of living beings: the ''karmīs'', the ''jñānīs'', the ''yogīs'' and the devotees. The ''karmīs'' are materialistic, whereas the other three are transcendental. The first-class transcendentalists are the devotees who have realized the Supreme Person. The second-class transcendentalists are those who have partially realized the plenary portion of the Absolute Person. And the third-class transcendentalists are those who have barely realized the spiritual focus of the Absolute Person."

	Satish Kumar: Who are those three, ''jñānīs'' . . .?		Satish Kumar: Who are those three, ''jñānīs'' . . .?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' They've got New Vrindaban, New Navadvīpa, New Jagannātha Purī, New Dvārakā . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' They've got New Vrindaban, New Navadvīpa, New Jagannātha Purī, New Dvārakā . . .

	Pradyumna: New Gayā . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' New Gayā . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . New Gayā, and this is the New Gokula.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . New Gayā, and this is the New Gokula.

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	Satish Kumar: And . . . John Papworth came yesterday?		Satish Kumar: And . . . John Papworth came yesterday?

	Mahādeva: John Papworth was here a few days ago, yes.		'''Mahādeva:''' John Papworth was here a few days ago, yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He is a very thoughtful man. I talked with him.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He is a very thoughtful man. I talked with him.

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	Satish Kumar: No, it's not same. Therefore we are in confusion, that what is our fight? Of course, we must surrender our . . .		Satish Kumar: No, it's not same. Therefore we are in confusion, that what is our fight? Of course, we must surrender our . . .

	Haṁsadūta: He wants to know how he will be engaged. Who will tell him what to do?		'''Haṁsadūta:''' He wants to know how he will be engaged. Who will tell him what to do?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The Kṛṣṇa's representative will tell you. Kṛṣṇa is not there, but Kṛṣṇa's representative is there. So you have to ask the Kṛṣṇa's representative.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The Kṛṣṇa's representative will tell you. Kṛṣṇa is not there, but Kṛṣṇa's representative is there. So you have to ask the Kṛṣṇa's representative.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' You can sit down near me.		'''Prabhupāda:''' You can sit down near me.

	Devotee: Would you like a chair?		'''Devotee:''' Would you like a chair?

	'''Woman guest:''' No.		'''Woman guest:''' No.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . ''vikarma'' means . . . ''karma'' means you act according to the injunction of the ''śāstra''. That is ''karma''. And ''vikarma'' means when you violate, violate the injunction of the ''śāstra''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . ''vikarma'' means . . . ''karma'' means you act according to the injunction of the ''śāstra''. That is ''karma''. And ''vikarma'' means when you violate, violate the injunction of the ''śāstra''.

	Devotee: Violate.		'''Devotee:''' Violate.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Violate.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Violate.
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	Woman guest (2): What about people who believe in Jesus, God? I mean, what about Christians? It might not have the same effect on them.		Woman guest (2): What about people who believe in Jesus, God? I mean, what about Christians? It might not have the same effect on them.

	Devotee: But Kṛṣṇa is God, and Jesus is teaching exactly what Kṛṣṇa taught, so there is no difference to a person that has a pure heart. If we chant, all of us who have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we've realized that Jesus Christ's teachings are fulfilled in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.		'''Devotee:''' But Kṛṣṇa is God, and Jesus is teaching exactly what Kṛṣṇa taught, so there is no difference to a person that has a pure heart. If we chant, all of us who have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we've realized that Jesus Christ's teachings are fulfilled in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

	Woman guest (2): Oh, I see.		Woman guest (2): Oh, I see.

	Devotee: Yes.		'''Devotee:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But Jesus said that he's son of God. So we say Kṛṣṇa is God. So what is the conflict? God must have a son, one or two? So he's also the son. Where is conflict? (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' But Jesus said that he's son of God. So we say Kṛṣṇa is God. So what is the conflict? God must have a son, one or two? So he's also the son. Where is conflict? (laughter)
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	And ''dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ. Dharmārtha-kāma'', this is ''karmī's'' position. And ''mokṣa'' is ''mukti's'' position. So he says that "If I've got unflinching devotional attitude upon You, my Lord, then ''mukti'' is at my door, with folded hands. And this ''dharmārtha-kāma'', they're at my command." Simply by ''bhakti''. The people are after ''dharma'', ''artha, kāma, mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]], [[CC Adi 1.90\|CC Ādi 1.90]]), so these four things become at the order of a ''bhakta. Muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ.''		And ''dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ. Dharmārtha-kāma'', this is ''karmī's'' position. And ''mokṣa'' is ''mukti's'' position. So he says that "If I've got unflinching devotional attitude upon You, my Lord, then ''mukti'' is at my door, with folded hands. And this ''dharmārtha-kāma'', they're at my command." Simply by ''bhakti''. The people are after ''dharma'', ''artha, kāma, mokṣa'' ([[SB 4.8.41]], [[CC Adi 1.90\|CC Ādi 1.90]]), so these four things become at the order of a ''bhakta. Muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate 'smān dharmārtha-kāma-samaya-pratīkṣāḥ.''

	Devotee: ''Prasādam''.		'''Devotee:''' ''Prasādam''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prasāde sarva-duḥkhānāṁ hānir asyopajāyate'' ([[BG 2.65 (1972)\|BG 2.65]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prasāde sarva-duḥkhānāṁ hānir asyopajāyate'' ([[BG 2.65 (1972)\|BG 2.65]]).
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The Congress side, the followers of Gandhi should have followed Gandhi's principle—from political point of view. Village organization. But they won't do that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The Congress side, the followers of Gandhi should have followed Gandhi's principle—from political point of view. Village organization. But they won't do that.

	Devotee: (to guests) Some ''kṣīra''?		'''Devotee:''' (to guests) Some ''kṣīra''?

	Satish Kumar: Oh!		Satish Kumar: Oh!
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	Satish Kumar: I was plucking. Eighteen times, all these hair. Two times in the one year, plucking all hair.		Satish Kumar: I was plucking. Eighteen times, all these hair. Two times in the one year, plucking all hair.

	Devotee: The whole head, you pull your hair?		'''Devotee:''' The whole head, you pull your hair?

	Satish Kumar: Whole head, yes. It's extreme form of a . . .		Satish Kumar: Whole head, yes. It's extreme form of a . . .

	Devotee: Austerity.		'''Devotee:''' Austerity.

	Satish Kumar: Ah?		Satish Kumar: Ah?

	Devotee: It's an austerity.		'''Devotee:''' It's an austerity.

	Satish Kumar: Yes. And then I came to . . . I left it, and came to Benares, and . . .		Satish Kumar: Yes. And then I came to . . . I left it, and came to Benares, and . . .

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	(aside:) Why don't you come here? You can take another pad, sit comfortably.		(aside:) Why don't you come here? You can take another pad, sit comfortably.

	Woman guest: It's too hot over there. Because of the fire.		'''Woman guest:''' It's too hot over there. Because of the fire.

	Satish Kumar: She's very hot.		Satish Kumar: She's very hot.
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	Devotee: Would you like a chair?		Devotee: Would you like a chair?

	Woman guest: No.		'''Woman guest:''' No.

	Satish Kumar: My question was that when there is no more people following their ''sva''-''dharma'', their true self . . .		Satish Kumar: My question was that when there is no more people following their ''sva''-''dharma'', their true self . . .
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	Satish Kumar: You want to ask anything?		Satish Kumar: You want to ask anything?

	Woman guest: No.		'''Woman guest:''' No.

	(aside) (whispering)		(aside) (whispering)
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	Satish Kumar: Right.		Satish Kumar: Right.

	Woman guest: What about meditating?		'''Woman guest:''' What about meditating?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the best medicine, meditation.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the best medicine, meditation.

	Woman guest: It's better than the other kind?		'''Woman guest:''' It's better than the other kind?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' When meditation . . . meditation, ''dhyāna'', it is very difficult nowadays. You chant to meditate, you think of your own business. That is another thing. So this is forced meditation: "Hare Kṛṣṇa!" Even if you do not want to hear, you will hear. (laughter) When there is chanting and dancing, everyone who doesn't wanted to hear, they also hear.		'''Prabhupāda:''' When meditation . . . meditation, ''dhyāna'', it is very difficult nowadays. You chant to meditate, you think of your own business. That is another thing. So this is forced meditation: "Hare Kṛṣṇa!" Even if you do not want to hear, you will hear. (laughter) When there is chanting and dancing, everyone who doesn't wanted to hear, they also hear.

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