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	(Conversation with Professor Lewcock from Cambridge University and Others)		(Conversation with Professor Lewcock from Cambridge University and Others)


	'''Revatīnandana:''' So this is our spiritual master, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda. This is Professor Ronald Lewcock from Cambridge University, and I don't . . . (break) name.		'''Revatīnandana:''' So this is our spiritual master, His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda. This is Professor Ronald Lewcock from Cambridge University, and I don't . . . (break) name.
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	:''piśācī pāile yena mati-cchanna haya''		:''piśācī pāile yena mati-cchanna haya''
	:''māyā-grasta jīvera haya se bhāva udaya''		:''māyā-grasta jīvera haya se bhāva udaya''
	:(''Prema-vivarta'')		:(Prema-vivarta)

	Anyone who is under the condition of this material nature is cynical, but he has forgotten his real identity. Just like a mad, crazy fellow who forgets what he is. He is even asking, rebuking his father, "What, you nonsense, who are you? Why you are standing here?" He forgets even the father. ''Piśācī''—ghostly-haunted, as one forgets the identity. So every one of us who has forget the identity and is thinking that I am this body is cynical, more or less. So anyone who is identifying with this body is cynical. So this man or that man or . . . there is no question of this man or that—everyone. Therefore the prescription is given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and everything will be gradually cleared.		Anyone who is under the condition of this material nature is cynical, but he has forgotten his real identity. Just like a mad, crazy fellow who forgets what he is. He is even asking, rebuking his father, "What, you nonsense, who are you? Why you are standing here?" He forgets even the father. ''Piśācī''—ghostly-haunted, as one forgets the identity. So every one of us who has forget the identity and is thinking that I am this body is cynical, more or less. So anyone who is identifying with this body is cynical. So this man or that man or . . . there is no question of this man or that—everyone. Therefore the prescription is given by Caitanya Mahāprabhu: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and everything will be gradually cleared.
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	What you have got next?" "No, that I do not know," then what is your gain? You have left something, but in exchange you must get something very nice. But if you haven't got that, then what is the use of leaving this? That is the way when you go forward—you step like this. So when you step, and you are confident that, "Now my foot is in ground," then you take it. Then again. This is the way. So if you are uncertain, then how you can you make progress? That means you are standstilled. And that is not good. If you think that there is something better, then you must take it.		What you have got next?" "No, that I do not know," then what is your gain? You have left something, but in exchange you must get something very nice. But if you haven't got that, then what is the use of leaving this? That is the way when you go forward—you step like this. So when you step, and you are confident that, "Now my foot is in ground," then you take it. Then again. This is the way. So if you are uncertain, then how you can you make progress? That means you are standstilled. And that is not good. If you think that there is something better, then you must take it.

	'''Vṛndā-devī:''' I'm looking for it but . . . (indistinct) . . . It's very difficult for me to understand myself, because with my own power. I have to wait until it comes from somewhere else.		'''Vṛndā-devī:''' I'm looking for it but . . . (indistinct) . . . it's very difficult for me to understand myself, because with my own power. I have to wait until it comes from somewhere else.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' It will drop. You will not try, it will come and drop—that is not possible. Find out what you think is something better—otherwise, what is the use of leaving something? You don't think Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is very good? You don't think?		'''Prabhupāda:''' It will drop. You will not try, it will come and drop—that is not possible. Find out what you think is something better—otherwise, what is the use of leaving something? You don't think Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is very good? You don't think?

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	There may be pseudo, but that is your fortune. Just like you have to go to a physician, but if the man is a pseudo, fraud, that is your misfortune. But God is in everyone's heart. He leads. If you are actually sincere and serious, He will take you to the real ''guru''. That is God's grace. ''Guru-kṛṣṇa-krpaya pāya'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151\|CC Madhya 19.151]]). So Kṛṣṇa is also working. He is seeing how much you are sincere. If you are serious, then He will lead you: "Here is a person . . . (indistinct) . . ."		There may be pseudo, but that is your fortune. Just like you have to go to a physician, but if the man is a pseudo, fraud, that is your misfortune. But God is in everyone's heart. He leads. If you are actually sincere and serious, He will take you to the real ''guru''. That is God's grace. ''Guru-kṛṣṇa-krpaya pāya'' ([[CC Madhya 19.151\|CC Madhya 19.151]]). So Kṛṣṇa is also working. He is seeing how much you are sincere. If you are serious, then He will lead you: "Here is a person . . . (indistinct) . . ."

	Mrs. Sanzoni: May I ask what is a good exercise against cynicism? Even though sometimes, when people have been betrayed by others, they . . . (indistinct) . . . become cynical and untrustworthy. What is a good exercise?		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' May I ask what is a good exercise against cynicism? Even though sometimes, when people have been betrayed by others, they . . . (indistinct) . . . become cynical and untrustworthy. What is a good exercise?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Good exercise?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Good exercise?
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	You are following which religion, Mrs. Sanjivin?		You are following which religion, Mrs. Sanjivin?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: I am Christian.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' I am Christian.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Christian. That's nice. So Christian religion has got conception of God. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Christian. That's nice. So Christian religion has got conception of God. Is it not?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But they do not know what is the actual feature of God. Is it not? Do you know? What is your conception of God? In Christian religion, they accept there is God, because Christ is son of God. So what is your conception of God?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But they do not know what is the actual feature of God. Is it not? Do you know? What is your conception of God? In Christian religion, they accept there is God, because Christ is son of God. So what is your conception of God?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: Creator.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' Creator.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?
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	I have heard that there is a queen, but if I have seen the picture also, then it is more perfect "The queen is like this." Therefore in every stamp, every paper, the queen's picture is there, so that people may not forget that, "Queen is a person, and here is the photograph." Otherwise why so much advertisement? Let her remain as person in her Buckingham Palace. Why she is advertised in so many ways? And she comes also out of the Buckingham Palace and sees you and talks with you. Similarly, if God is a person, we have to learn how to seen Him, how to talk with Him, how to appreciate Him, how to love Him, the next question is. Simply to have a conception that God is creator, that is not perfect knowledge. Do you admit it or not?		I have heard that there is a queen, but if I have seen the picture also, then it is more perfect "The queen is like this." Therefore in every stamp, every paper, the queen's picture is there, so that people may not forget that, "Queen is a person, and here is the photograph." Otherwise why so much advertisement? Let her remain as person in her Buckingham Palace. Why she is advertised in so many ways? And she comes also out of the Buckingham Palace and sees you and talks with you. Similarly, if God is a person, we have to learn how to seen Him, how to talk with Him, how to appreciate Him, how to love Him, the next question is. Simply to have a conception that God is creator, that is not perfect knowledge. Do you admit it or not?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: (indistinct) . . . who is God?		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' (indistinct) . . . who is God?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is God? Yes, that is my question. So if you have knowledge of God, you must say who is God. As you say "creator," I say: "Who is that creator?" So you have to describe, otherwise your knowledge is imperfect. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Who is God? Yes, that is my question. So if you have knowledge of God, you must say who is God. As you say "creator," I say: "Who is that creator?" So you have to describe, otherwise your knowledge is imperfect. Is it not?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: I'm so sorry, I thought I asked the question.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' I'm so sorry, I thought I asked the question.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that we have already explained: Kṛṣṇa. Here is God: Kṛṣṇa. His picture is here. That picture is there. There are so many pictures showing He is God—''Kṛṣṇa Book'' and this. So many. Here is God. You see?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that we have already explained: Kṛṣṇa. Here is God: Kṛṣṇa. His picture is here. That picture is there. There are so many pictures showing He is God—''Kṛṣṇa Book'' and this. So many. Here is God. You see?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: I think it's a book.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' I think it's a book.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is book? It is not knowledge?		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is book? It is not knowledge?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: It's knowledge—but in a book.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' It's knowledge—but in a book.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So how you can know God? In the air, do you think? Everything we have to know. Why this professor is there? He teaches his student from the air? Do you think like that? How he teaches? Professor, how do you teach?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So how you can know God? In the air, do you think? Everything we have to know. Why this professor is there? He teaches his student from the air? Do you think like that? How he teaches? Professor, how do you teach?
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	So these are the imperfect knowledge, that when we give you book of knowledge you say it is book. So book is the source of knowledge. Therefore it is said that you have to surrender to a person. I give you knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. You say: "Oh, it is book." That means you have no surrender; you think that I am giving something else. Therefore the first process is if you want to know something, you must approach to a suitable person where you can surrender: "Yes. Whatever he says, I will accept." Otherwise it is not possible. If you keep yourself on the standard that you know everything, you can examine everything, then you cannot make progress.		So these are the imperfect knowledge, that when we give you book of knowledge you say it is book. So book is the source of knowledge. Therefore it is said that you have to surrender to a person. I give you knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. You say: "Oh, it is book." That means you have no surrender; you think that I am giving something else. Therefore the first process is if you want to know something, you must approach to a suitable person where you can surrender: "Yes. Whatever he says, I will accept." Otherwise it is not possible. If you keep yourself on the standard that you know everything, you can examine everything, then you cannot make progress.

	Mrs. Sanzoni: If one cannot read this book?		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' If one cannot read this book?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' One can hear. Therefore I say hear. Just like you are hearing. If you cannot read, that doesn't matter, but you hear from the right person. Blind man cannot see, but that does not mean he cannot walk, because the ear is there. His father calls him, "My dear boy, come here." So he cannot see his father, but he goes there. So it does not mean that because he cannot see, but because he was not educated, the knowledge is stopped. No. The real knowledge comes from the aural reception. You hear. Book is meant for hearing. Unless you hear in this book, there is no use.		'''Prabhupāda:''' One can hear. Therefore I say hear. Just like you are hearing. If you cannot read, that doesn't matter, but you hear from the right person. Blind man cannot see, but that does not mean he cannot walk, because the ear is there. His father calls him, "My dear boy, come here." So he cannot see his father, but he goes there. So it does not mean that because he cannot see, but because he was not educated, the knowledge is stopped. No. The real knowledge comes from the aural reception. You hear. Book is meant for hearing. Unless you hear in this book, there is no use.
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	Therefore we should utilize properly our advanced consciousness to understand God and then go back to Him. That is the mission of human life. And if we waste our life like cats and dogs, that is a risky business. The cats and dogs, they are not interested in Kṛṣṇa, or God. They are interested eating, sleeping, sex life and defense. That's all. So if we simply use our this valuable life simply like cats and dogs—eating, sleeping, sex life and defense—they are missing the opportunity. Our propaganda is that "Don't miss this opportunity. You take advantage of this life and try to understand Kṛṣṇa, God, and go back to Him, so you become relieved from this repetition of birth and death." But people do not understand that there is birth after . . . there is life after death. They do not understand. Therefore he has to become a student and learn from these books and prepare for the next life; then everything is all right. You are following what I say?		Therefore we should utilize properly our advanced consciousness to understand God and then go back to Him. That is the mission of human life. And if we waste our life like cats and dogs, that is a risky business. The cats and dogs, they are not interested in Kṛṣṇa, or God. They are interested eating, sleeping, sex life and defense. That's all. So if we simply use our this valuable life simply like cats and dogs—eating, sleeping, sex life and defense—they are missing the opportunity. Our propaganda is that "Don't miss this opportunity. You take advantage of this life and try to understand Kṛṣṇa, God, and go back to Him, so you become relieved from this repetition of birth and death." But people do not understand that there is birth after . . . there is life after death. They do not understand. Therefore he has to become a student and learn from these books and prepare for the next life; then everything is all right. You are following what I say?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: Yes.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So what you are going to do in this life? You shall miss the opportunity or take the opportunity? That is in our hands. ''Yathecchasi tathā kuru'' ([[BG 18.63 (1972)\|BG 18.63]]): "Whatever you like, we do," Kṛṣṇa said to Arjuna. ''Yathecchasi tathā kuru''—the independence is given. God has given us independence: "If you want to remain in this illusory material world, you remain, and struggle for existence, but if you want to come to Me, where I am, come on." So there is no fault on the part of God. It is our fault.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So what you are going to do in this life? You shall miss the opportunity or take the opportunity? That is in our hands. ''Yathecchasi tathā kuru'' ([[BG 18.63 (1972)\|BG 18.63]]): "Whatever you like, we do," Kṛṣṇa said to Arjuna. ''Yathecchasi tathā kuru''—the independence is given. God has given us independence: "If you want to remain in this illusory material world, you remain, and struggle for existence, but if you want to come to Me, where I am, come on." So there is no fault on the part of God. It is our fault.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He is very intelligent man; he can argue with them. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says fortunate—only the fortunate man can accept.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He is very intelligent man; he can argue with them. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says fortunate—only the fortunate man can accept.

	Mrs. Sanzoni: Do you have many devotees in India?		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' Do you have many devotees in India?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' All Indians.		'''Prabhupāda:''' All Indians.

	Mrs. Sanzoni: All . . . all across India.		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' All . . . all across India.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious. You don't know that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious. You don't know that?

	Mrs. Sanzoni: Yes, I guessed so, but you know . . .		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' Yes, I guessed so, but you know . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Even though they are not Hindus, they are also Kṛṣṇa conscious.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Even though they are not Hindus, they are also Kṛṣṇa conscious.

	Mrs. Sanzoni: Anyone who is conscious of God?		'''Mrs. Sanzoni:''' Anyone who is conscious of God?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No—Kṛṣṇa practically. There are many Muhammadans, they observe Kṛṣṇa's birthday ceremony. Many Christians, many Muhammadans all over the world, they accept Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No—Kṛṣṇa practically. There are many Muhammadans, they observe Kṛṣṇa's birthday ceremony. Many Christians, many Muhammadans all over the world, they accept Kṛṣṇa.

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	So you can take this medicine and try it. (to lady) You are asking for your case or for somebody else? So anyone can take. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). What is that? ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena'' ([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]])?		So you can take this medicine and try it. (to lady) You are asking for your case or for somebody else? So anyone can take. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). What is that? ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena'' ([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]])?

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''tad viddhi praṇipātena''		:''tad viddhi praṇipātena''
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	What is that verse?		What is that verse?

	Pradyumna: ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena'' ([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]).		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena'' ([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]).

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, that is already explained.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, that is already explained.
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	In this life.		In this life.

	Pradyumna:		'''Pradyumna:'''

	:''janma karma ca me divyam''		:''janma karma ca me divyam''

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	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~''''~~'' Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?		'''Lady Guest:'' Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?

	'''Haṁsadūta:''' (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?		'''Haṁsadūta:''' (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' It's not criticism; it's . . .		'''Lady Guest:''' It's not criticism; it's . . .

	'''Haṁsadūta:''' We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?		'''Haṁsadūta:''' We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' Yes.		'''Lady Guest:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)		'''Lady Guest:''' Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.
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	Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?		Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .		'''Lady Guest:''' No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?		'''Lady Guest:''' Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?

	'''Revatīnandana:''' (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?		'''Revatīnandana:''' (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.

	'''Lady ~~'''~~Guest:~~'''~~''' But I don't believe we are imperfect.		'''Lady Guest:''' But I don't believe we are imperfect.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?

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	'''Lady Guest:''' Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?

	Haṁsadūta: (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?		Haṁsadūta: (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?

	'''Lady Guest:''' It's not criticism; it's . . .		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' It's not criticism; it's . . .

	Haṁsadūta: We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?		Haṁsadūta: We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?

	'''Lady Guest:''' Yes.		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.

	'''Lady Guest:''' Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.
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	Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?		Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?

	'''Lady Guest:''' No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.

	'''Lady Guest:''' Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?

	Revatīnandana: (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?		Revatīnandana: (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.

	'''Lady Guest:''' But I don't believe we are imperfect.		'''Lady '''Guest:'''''' But I don't believe we are imperfect.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?

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	Lady Guest: Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?		'''Lady Guest:''' Can I ask a question? . . . (indistinct) . . . I couldn't really understand the answer. When God creates something, you're teaching that He created these two energies, the spiritual energy and the material energy, and that in the material energy there is illusion, also imperfect. I can't really understand that, because when you say it's imperfect, but how can something imperfect be created . . . (indistinct) . . . illusion?

	Haṁsadūta: (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?		Haṁsadūta: (explaining) How can God create something which is imperfect?

	Lady Guest: It's not criticism; it's . . .		'''Lady Guest:''' It's not criticism; it's . . .

	Haṁsadūta: We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?		Haṁsadūta: We're saying the material world is imperfect, material energy, inferior energy, spiritual energy. So how do we understand that it is imperfect?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not imperfect, but it is imperfect for my understanding. The creation is not imperfect. Just like the sun is always shining, but there is a cloud. The cloud is created under some perfect process. Is it not?

	Lady Guest: Yes.		'''Lady Guest:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But the cloud is imperfect process for me, because I cannot see the sun.

	Lady Guest: Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)		'''Lady Guest:''' Our vision is imperfect . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is creating disturbances for my understanding. I am already imperfect, and it is creating disturbance, but the process of creating the cloud is not imperfect. There is a perfect process. So this is the position. So material means when we become imperfect to understand God, that is material. Some impediments comes before me—that is called ''māyā''—which makes me imperfect to understand God. And that is material. Actually, the cloud is created by sun, by the sunshine, so it cannot be imperfect. But it has created an imperfect position for me to see the sun.
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	Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?		Therefore material world is called imperfect. Otherwise it is not imperfect. For me it is imperfect—imperfect in the sense that there is hindrance to understand God. Just like due to my this material concept of life—"I am this body"—I am imperfect to understand my soul. But the creation of the body is not imperfect. There is perfect physiology, anatomy, how the bloods are circulating, how food is being transformed into blood, how they are going to the heart, going to the, by the head—that is a perfect creation. But although it is perfect, on account of my misfortune this is checking my understanding of the soul. Is it clear now?

	Lady Guest: No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .		'''Lady Guest:''' No, I understood what you said, but then my vision or my understanding is imperfect, and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore you have to take lesson from the perfect. That is the advice. Go to guru.

	Lady Guest: Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?		'''Lady Guest:''' Yes, but my question was how can something imperfect be there? Is it because you are teaching that we are very small parts, so we can't understand what is greater than we? Is that the imperfectness?

	Revatīnandana: (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?		Revatīnandana: (explaining question) How can anything imperfect be there?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Therefore it is called illusion.

	Lady Guest: But I don't believe we are imperfect.		'''Lady Guest:''' But I don't believe we are imperfect.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Nothing is imperfect; (laughter) therefore it is called illusion. Exact word is used: ''māyā. Yatāh bhāsa tattāh tamah''. Just like we sometimes see the sun is in opposite side. Just like—what is now? The sun is this side? Eh?