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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Cause of all causes. ''Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam'' (Bs. 5.1). Everything has some cause, but when you finally come to a thing who has no cause, then He's God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Cause of all causes. ''Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam'' (Bs. 5.1). Everything has some cause, but when you finally come to a thing who has no cause, then He's God.

	'''Bhagavān:''' The rascals . . . .		'''Bhagavān:''' The rascals . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vedānta-sūtra'': ''janmādyasya yataḥ'' ([[SB 1.1.1\|SB 1.1.1]]), the origin of everything. But He's not originated from something else. And that is God. Therefore He's called Absolute. Everything here is relative, and God is absolute. That is the difference between absolute and relative.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vedānta-sūtra'': ''janmādyasya yataḥ'' ([[SB 1.1.1\|SB 1.1.1]]), the origin of everything. But He's not originated from something else. And that is God. Therefore He's called Absolute. Everything here is relative, and God is absolute. That is the difference between absolute and relative.

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	(aside to girl) You are chanting also? Sixteen rounds? Eh?		(aside to girl) You are chanting also? Sixteen rounds? Eh?

	Boy: I'm trying the best I can.		'''Boy:''' I'm trying the best I can.

	Haṁsadūta: He says trying the best to do so.		Haṁsadūta: He says trying the best to do so.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is devotee, who can answer any question. Everything is discussed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Everything, complete knowledge. Now in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said that this cosmic manifestation . . . now you find out this verse: ''mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram'' ([[BG 9.10 (1972)\|BG 9.10]]). ''Mayā. M-a-y-ā.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is devotee, who can answer any question. Everything is discussed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Everything, complete knowledge. Now in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said that this cosmic manifestation . . . now you find out this verse: ''mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram'' ([[BG 9.10 (1972)\|BG 9.10]]). ''Mayā. M-a-y-ā.''

	Devotee: Still too loud.		'''Devotee:''' Still too loud.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Devotee: It's too loud downstairs. There have been complaints from the neighbors.		'''Devotee:''' It's too loud downstairs. There have been complaints from the neighbors.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Loud, they are very good. How can you stop it? As soon as you chant, somebody . . . that you cannot check. You may stop ''mṛdaṅga'', that's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Loud, they are very good. How can you stop it? As soon as you chant, somebody . . . that you cannot check. You may stop ''mṛdaṅga'', that's all.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' All right. Something is better than nothing. (break) . . . of our morning lecture, you can question if you like. ''Kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānam'' ([[BG 13.3 (1972)\|BG 13.3]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' All right. Something is better than nothing. (break) . . . of our morning lecture, you can question if you like. ''Kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor jñānam'' ([[BG 13.3 (1972)\|BG 13.3]]).

	Shivananda: I had one question about the nature of transcendental knowledge. And it said in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that transcendental knowledge is of a nature that it is like fire. It burns to ashes the reactions to sinful activity. But—it may be sort of a nonsense question—but I couldn't understand how it is, what . . . how it, how . . . what is the nature of knowledge that it can do this? How does transcendental knowledge burn to ashes the reactions of sinful . . .		'''Shivananda:''' I had one question about the nature of transcendental knowledge. And it said in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that transcendental knowledge is of a nature that it is like fire. It burns to ashes the reactions to sinful activity. But—it may be sort of a nonsense question—but I couldn't understand how it is, what . . . how it, how . . . what is the nature of knowledge that it can do this? How does transcendental knowledge burn to ashes the reactions of sinful . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. If you always engage your mind in transcendental topics, naturally all other nonsense topics will be stopped. Or you'll have no interest in such topics. That is burned down. ''Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anya'' . . . ([[SB 11.2.42\|SB 11.2.42]]). That is the test. If you increase your devotion, then you'll be not interested in ordinary things. Just like our devotees, they are no more interested in the worldly topics. They do not like to go to the cinema. That is no more interest. We can see the film of Ratha-yātrā, but we are no more interested to see ordinary film.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. If you always engage your mind in transcendental topics, naturally all other nonsense topics will be stopped. Or you'll have no interest in such topics. That is burned down. ''Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anya'' . . . ([[SB 11.2.42\|SB 11.2.42]]). That is the test. If you increase your devotion, then you'll be not interested in ordinary things. Just like our devotees, they are no more interested in the worldly topics. They do not like to go to the cinema. That is no more interest. We can see the film of Ratha-yātrā, but we are no more interested to see ordinary film.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The motion is given by somebody.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The motion is given by somebody.

	Shivananda: What they said in East Berlin . . .		'''Shivananda:''' What they said in East Berlin . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Shivananda: What they said in East Berlin, when we were preaching, was that material nature has always been there, and life has come from matter. They say that matter is eternal.		'''Shivananda:''' What they said in East Berlin, when we were preaching, was that material nature has always been there, and life has come from matter. They say that matter is eternal.

	'''Bhagavān:''' They can say anything they want, but that doesn't mean it's logical.		'''Bhagavān:''' They can say anything they want, but that doesn't mean it's logical.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Matter is . . . what is that? Let us understand this point.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Matter is . . . what is that? Let us understand this point.

	Shivananda: What they were saying was that, that there is no God behind everything . . .		'''Shivananda:''' What they were saying was that, that there is no God behind everything . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now why not? Can, can . . . have you got any experience within your experience that anything was there?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now why not? Can, can . . . have you got any experience within your experience that anything was there?

	Shivananda: Well, that's what they say.		'''Shivananda:''' Well, that's what they say.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They say that rascaldom. That word say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They say that rascaldom. That word say.

	Shivananda: I just say what they say.		'''Shivananda:''' I just say what they say.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But you are saying . . . was this tape recorder was existing, or somebody has prepared?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But you are saying . . . was this tape recorder was existing, or somebody has prepared?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So that is independence. Your parents were cruel; therefore you have revolted against the parents. That is your independence. Why you revolted against parents? Because you have got the independence.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So that is independence. Your parents were cruel; therefore you have revolted against the parents. That is your independence. Why you revolted against parents? Because you have got the independence.

	Shivananda: What shall we say to someone, Prabhupāda . . .		'''Shivananda:''' What shall we say to someone, Prabhupāda . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Otherwise, if you are doing stereotyping, then in spite of your father being cruel, you would not declare independence and go away from home. Because you have got this independence, therefore you can understand that, "Why shall I obey this father? I go out." That is independence. They do not understand the meaning of independence.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Otherwise, if you are doing stereotyping, then in spite of your father being cruel, you would not declare independence and go away from home. Because you have got this independence, therefore you can understand that, "Why shall I obey this father? I go out." That is independence. They do not understand the meaning of independence.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, man or somebody, but try to understand generally: anything that you see, that is created by man or beast or somebody. It is created. So this cosmic manifestation, why do you say that it is not created? It is created. You do not know who has created. That is your ignorance. But as I have no experience, in this material world, which is not created . . . it is created. You are created. Still. How can you say it is not created?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, man or somebody, but try to understand generally: anything that you see, that is created by man or beast or somebody. It is created. So this cosmic manifestation, why do you say that it is not created? It is created. You do not know who has created. That is your ignorance. But as I have no experience, in this material world, which is not created . . . it is created. You are created. Still. How can you say it is not created?

	Guru-gaurāṅga: But then the profane, Prabhupāda, they say that "Let us carry that logic to the very end, that even God is created. Then why . . . you say God is having no . . ."		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' But then the profane, Prabhupāda, they say that "Let us carry that logic to the very end, that even God is created. Then why . . . you say God is having no . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. No. God is created, you can say. But when a created thing is, then he's not God. Our, our proposition is that everything is created, but finally if we find somebody He's not created, then He's God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. No. God is created, you can say. But when a created thing is, then he's not God. Our, our proposition is that everything is created, but finally if we find somebody He's not created, then He's God.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He has got, He's the Supreme Independent, and living entities are part and parcel of God. Therefore we must have independence. Otherwise, how it be he becomes perfect part and parcel?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He has got, He's the Supreme Independent, and living entities are part and parcel of God. Therefore we must have independence. Otherwise, how it be he becomes perfect part and parcel?

	Guru-gaurāṅga: And so if he did not have independence, that would be the flaw.		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' And so if he did not have independence, that would be the flaw.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That will be the fault.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That will be the fault.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So God's creation is perfect. There is no imperfect.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So God's creation is perfect. There is no imperfect.

	Guru-gaurāṅga: Does there come a time, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when one misuses independence, the independence is taken away? For example, if . . .		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' Does there come a time, Śrīla Prabhupāda, when one misuses independence, the independence is taken away? For example, if . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now why shall He take away. What He has given to you, why He shall take away?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now why shall He take away. What He has given to you, why He shall take away?

	Guru-gaurāṅga: In animal life?		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' In animal life?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Guru-gaurāṅga: Animal life?		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' Animal life?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Animal life, what is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Animal life, what is that?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They have got little independence.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They have got little independence.

	Guru-gaurāṅga: They say: "All is instinct."		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' They say: "All is instinct."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You say, they say, all rascals say. But actually this is independence, but because they're animals, they are directed by nature, more or less. Just like they do not . . . my point is they do not misuse independence as much as a human being does. You see? Just like a tiger. He is to eat animals, killing animals. He does not come to your orchard to steal your fruits. But you, rascal human being, you eat fruits and animals both. Animal, that is instinct. Animal . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' You say, they say, all rascals say. But actually this is independence, but because they're animals, they are directed by nature, more or less. Just like they do not . . . my point is they do not misuse independence as much as a human being does. You see? Just like a tiger. He is to eat animals, killing animals. He does not come to your orchard to steal your fruits. But you, rascal human being, you eat fruits and animals both. Animal, that is instinct. Animal . . .
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	Suppose if you put—I've given this example many times—a bag of rice on the street. Many birds will come. But he will eat some grains, five grains, ten grains and twenty grains, as much he can eat, and go away. But you do the same favor to the human being, there will be fight. Everyone will try to take some more quantity in the house and stock it. Therefore the human being is more responsible for sinful activities.		Suppose if you put—I've given this example many times—a bag of rice on the street. Many birds will come. But he will eat some grains, five grains, ten grains and twenty grains, as much he can eat, and go away. But you do the same favor to the human being, there will be fight. Everyone will try to take some more quantity in the house and stock it. Therefore the human being is more responsible for sinful activities.

	Guru-gaurāṅga: So the rascal thinks that independence, the manifestation, the symptom of independence is to misuse independence.		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' So the rascal thinks that independence, the manifestation, the symptom of independence is to misuse independence.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What?

	Guru-gaurāṅga: He thinks the symptom . . . "I am independent. I will show you I am independent. I will misuse my independence."		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' He thinks the symptom . . . "I am independent. I will show you I am independent. I will misuse my independence."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. There's . . . just like you are a citizen of French government, you are also independent. If the government says that, "If you do this, then you'll be punished," so when you do that, that is misuse of independence. Otherwise you are independent.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. There's . . . just like you are a citizen of French government, you are also independent. If the government says that, "If you do this, then you'll be punished," so when you do that, that is misuse of independence. Otherwise you are independent.

	Guru-gaurāṅga: So real independence means to surrender, then.		'''Guru-gaurāṅga:''' So real independence means to surrender, then.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. To authority. Because you have to surrender. If you don't surrender to God, then you have to surrender to ''māyā''. Just like you don't surrender to government, then you have to surrender to the superintendent of jail. That's all. If you misuse your independence, you'll not be happy. This is the fact. But you have got the independence. You can misuse it. That is your prerogative. That is your freedom. Freedom means you must have independence. But because you are not absolutely independent, so you suffer.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. To authority. Because you have to surrender. If you don't surrender to God, then you have to surrender to ''māyā''. Just like you don't surrender to government, then you have to surrender to the superintendent of jail. That's all. If you misuse your independence, you'll not be happy. This is the fact. But you have got the independence. You can misuse it. That is your prerogative. That is your freedom. Freedom means you must have independence. But because you are not absolutely independent, so you suffer.