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	'''Guest (1):''' . . . yes, yes. I ask him why, after such a long lapse of time we could see this trait of Hindu ''dharma''.		'''Guest (1):''' . . . yes, yes. I ask him why, after such a long lapse of time we could see this trait of Hindu ''dharma''.

	Prabhupāda.: Yes. Not Hindu ''dharma'' . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Not Hindu ''dharma'' . . .

	'''Guest:''' Or Vedic ''dharma''.		'''Guest:''' Or Vedic ''dharma''.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . but spiritual, satisfaction of spiritual starvation. Because we are spiritual being. That I was trying to explain, that we have bodily necessities, at the same time we have spiritual necessities. This Western civilization, they are simply after the bodily necessities. Just like here is a qualified medical man. He's made . . . what for, medical man? He knows how to satisfy the medical necessities of the body. He has no information of the spirit soul. Is it not a fact? Have you got any idea what is spirit soul?		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . but spiritual, satisfaction of spiritual starvation. Because we are spiritual being. That I was trying to explain, that we have bodily necessities, at the same time we have spiritual necessities. This Western civilization, they are simply after the bodily necessities. Just like here is a qualified medical man. He's made . . . what for, medical man? He knows how to satisfy the medical necessities of the body. He has no information of the spirit soul. Is it not a fact? Have you got any idea what is spirit soul?

	Guest (2) (Indian Doctor): Not from the medical knowledge, certainly not.		'''Guest (2) (Indian Doctor):''' Not from the medical knowledge, certainly not.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I say that these universities, educational institution, all over the world, they are simply concerned with this body. According to our Vedic culture, to remain satisfied with the bodily necessities of life is the business of animals. ''Sa eva go-kharaḥ''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I say that these universities, educational institution, all over the world, they are simply concerned with this body. According to our Vedic culture, to remain satisfied with the bodily necessities of life is the business of animals. ''Sa eva go-kharaḥ''.

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	'''Pradyumna:''' She says ''prāṇa'' is the life force?		'''Pradyumna:''' She says ''prāṇa'' is the life force?

	Pearl: Is it in different parts of the body?		'''Pearl:''' Is it in different parts of the body?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' These are air. ''Prāṇa'', in the ''prāṇa'', air, the soul floats. Therefore the controlling the air is called ''prāṇāyāma''. That is yogic process.		'''Prabhupāda:''' These are air. ''Prāṇa'', in the ''prāṇa'', air, the soul floats. Therefore the controlling the air is called ''prāṇāyāma''. That is yogic process.

	Pearl: Thank you.		'''Pearl:''' Thank you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prāṇa'' is a life air which carries the soul. Is very small, atomic. (about ''prasāda'') And not our men. (laughs) Give her. She's anxious. Give her. Give her one.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Prāṇa'' is a life air which carries the soul. Is very small, atomic. (about ''prasāda'') And not our men. (laughs) Give her. She's anxious. Give her. Give her one.

	Pearl: Thank you.		'''Pearl:''' Thank you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Give her one, that girl. Give all. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ta apnar kono decision holo na. Law judgement dilen na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have not decided yet. You could not give any law judgement.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' Give her one, that girl. Give all. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ta apnar kono decision holo na. Law judgement dilen na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have not decided yet. You could not give any law judgement.)</span>
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.

	Pearl: I would like to have a Sanskrit name, too, please.		'''Pearl:''' I would like to have a Sanskrit name, too, please.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes, you'll have.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes, you'll have.

	Pearl: Thank you.		'''Pearl:''' Thank you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You'll have. You like to be bald-headed?		'''Prabhupāda:''' You'll have. You like to be bald-headed?

	Pearl: (laughs) No, I think I'll keep my hair, if you don't mind. I can't give up everything.		'''Pearl:''' (laughs) No, I think I'll keep my hair, if you don't mind. I can't give up everything.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' All right.		'''Prabhupāda:''' All right.

	Pearl: If my leg could be healed, and I want to advance spiritually.		'''Pearl:''' If my leg could be healed, and I want to advance spiritually.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, leg, you are different from leg. Yes. Even leg is not healed, you can be healed.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, leg, you are different from leg. Yes. Even leg is not healed, you can be healed.

	Pearl: You mean healed spiritually.		'''Pearl:''' You mean healed spiritually.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is real healing.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is real healing.

	Pearl: Because it's keeping me from things I should be doing, you see. I can't meet all my responsibilities through it.		'''Pearl:''' Because it's keeping me from things I should be doing, you see. I can't meet all my responsibilities through it.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Give me little water. When they come to logic, when they give logic . . . (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Give me little water. When they come to logic, when they give logic . . . (laughter)
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. But Gandhi may not know the purpose of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', but as he chanted "''hā rāma''," that has been effective.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. But Gandhi may not know the purpose of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', but as he chanted "''hā rāma''," that has been effective.

	Pearl: I wondered what "Rāma" meant when we say the ''mantra'', Hare Rāma, you see.		'''Pearl:''' I wondered what "Rāma" meant when we say the ''mantra'', Hare Rāma, you see.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Rāma means . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Rāma means . . .

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	Guest (4) (English woman, Pearl): Could I ask please, if ''prāṇa'' is the life force, isn't it? Is it the ''prāṇa'' is the life force, isn't it?		Guest (4) (English woman, Pearl): Could I ask please, if ''prāṇa'' is the life force, isn't it? Is it the ''prāṇa'' is the life force, isn't it?

	Pradyumna: She says ''prāṇa'' is the life force?		'''Pradyumna:''' She says ''prāṇa'' is the life force?

	Pearl: Is it in different parts of the body?		Pearl: Is it in different parts of the body?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. What is that?

	Pradyumna: ''Prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān'' . . . ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān'' . . . ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah, ''prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān''. This is the . . . so ''puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān'' means heavenly planet. ''Prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān.'' You cannot go to the heavenly planet unless you are very pious. So he's promoted in heavenly planet, where the duration of life is very long, standard of living is very nice. But there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. What is that, ''prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah, ''prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān''. This is the . . . so ''puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān'' means heavenly planet. ''Prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān.'' You cannot go to the heavenly planet unless you are very pious. So he's promoted in heavenly planet, where the duration of life is very long, standard of living is very nice. But there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. What is that, ''prāpya puṇya-kṛtāṁ lokān''?

	Pradyumna: ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ''.		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ'': for a very long time. Because to get life in the heavenly planets means at least ten thousands of years. In their calculation. Their one day is equal to six months. In that way, ten thousand years. ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ.'' What is it? ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ'': for a very long time. Because to get life in the heavenly planets means at least ten thousands of years. In their calculation. Their one day is equal to six months. In that way, ten thousand years. ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ.'' What is it? ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ''?

	Pradyumna: ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ, śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate'' ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).		'''Pradyumna:''' ''Uṣitvā śāśvatīḥ samāḥ, śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate'' ([[BG 6.41 (1972)\|BG 6.41]]).

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Then again they come down to this material world and he takes birth either in a very exalted ''brahmin'' family, ''śucīnām'', or very rich ''vaiśya'' family. After enjoying there, again he's given chance to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. And if he misses, then again he goes down. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says these are all false elevation. If I have to come again back, again I have to accept another lower-grade life, then what is the profit? Kṛṣṇa gives His straight understanding: ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]). You become Kṛṣṇa conscious. "After the giving up this body, no more material body either in the heavenly planet or in the lower hellish planet. You come direct to Me." That is perfection.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Then again they come down to this material world and he takes birth either in a very exalted ''brahmin'' family, ''śucīnām'', or very rich ''vaiśya'' family. After enjoying there, again he's given chance to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. And if he misses, then again he goes down. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says these are all false elevation. If I have to come again back, again I have to accept another lower-grade life, then what is the profit? Kṛṣṇa gives His straight understanding: ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]). You become Kṛṣṇa conscious. "After the giving up this body, no more material body either in the heavenly planet or in the lower hellish planet. You come direct to Me." That is perfection.

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	This process should be adopted. Hear about Kṛṣṇa, without any prejudice. Then everything will be . . . ''S-r-i'', yes?		This process should be adopted. Hear about Kṛṣṇa, without any prejudice. Then everything will be . . . ''S-r-i'', yes?

	Śrutakīrti: ''S-i''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-i''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''S-r-i'', yes. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''S-r-i'', yes. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''.

	Śrutakīrti: ''S-i-n''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-i-n''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''R. Sva-kathāḥ. S-v-a.'' Yes. What is it?. . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''R. Sva-kathāḥ. S-v-a.'' Yes. What is it?. . .

	Śrutakīrti: ''Sva-pathaḥ''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''Sva-pathaḥ''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Kṛṣṇa''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Kṛṣṇa''.

	Śrutakīrti: No.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ.'' You are not learning; only Paṇḍita Gosāi is required. Where is Paṇḍita Gosāi?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ.'' You are not learning; only Paṇḍita Gosāi is required. Where is Paṇḍita Gosāi?

	Śrutakīrti: He went to . . .		'''Śrutakīrti:''' He went to . . .

	'''Guest:''' Can I have a look at it, please?		'''Guest:''' Can I have a look at it, please?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, give him. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho abhadrāṇi ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). <span style="color:#ff9933">Apnar chelepule ki? Ekti meye? English meye? Tumi engreji . . . o engreji bojhe . . . engreji bujhbei. Bangla tangla bojhe naki? Banglao jane? Apnar baper bari kothay? Howrah district? Kothay, kon grame? Accha, accha oikhane, Shibpur. Shibpure onek sob bhalo loker bash ache. Oh apnader bario Shibpur?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What about your son or daughter? Oh so it's a girl? She took birth here? English girl? So you are English . . . do you understand? . . . obviously you would understand English. Do you understand Bengali? So you know Bengali? Where are you from? Howrah district? Hmm. Where, which village? Oh all right there at Shibpur. At Shibpur many good people stay there. Oh your actual home is at Shibpur then?)</span> . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, give him. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho abhadrāṇi ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). <span style="color:#ff9933">Apnar chelepule ki? Ekti meye? English meye? Tumi engreji . . . o engreji bojhe . . . engreji bujhbei. Bangla tangla bojhe naki? Banglao jane? Apnar baper bari kothay? Howrah district? Kothay, kon grame? Accha, accha oikhane, Shibpur. Shibpure onek sob bhalo loker bash ache. Oh apnader bario Shibpur?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What about your son or daughter? Oh so it's a girl? She took birth here? English girl? So you are English . . . do you understand? . . . obviously you would understand English. Do you understand Bengali? So you know Bengali? Where are you from? Howrah district? Hmm. Where, which village? Oh all right there at Shibpur. At Shibpur many good people stay there. Oh your actual home is at Shibpur then?)</span> . . . (indistinct)

	Śrutakīrti: It's not in the Third Chapter.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' It's not in the Third Chapter.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Let me see.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Let me see.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' First Canto, where it is?		'''Prabhupāda:''' First Canto, where it is?

	Śrutakīrti: ''S-i''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-i''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''S-r.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''S-r.''

	Śrutakīrti: ''S-r, śṛṇ,'' oh.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-r, śṛṇ,'' oh.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''. You could not find? Here it is.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''. You could not find? Here it is.

	Śrutakīrti: I was looking ''s-i.''		'''Śrutakīrti:''' I was looking ''s-i.''

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Find out.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Find out.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Second Canto, no?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Second Canto, no?

	Śrutakīrti: 107, Second Chapter.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' 107, Second Chapter.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Second Chapter, Second Chapter, seventeenth verse, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Second Chapter, Second Chapter, seventeenth verse, yes.

	Śrutakīrti:		'''Śrutakīrti:'''

	:''śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''		:''śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vidhunoti suhṛt satām.'' What is the meaning?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vidhunoti suhṛt satām.'' What is the meaning?

	Śrutakīrti: "Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā, Supersoul, in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who relishes His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted."		'''Śrutakīrti:''' "Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā, Supersoul, in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who relishes His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the process. If you hear about Kṛṣṇa, then Kṛṣṇa is within yourself. ''Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati'' ([[BG 18.61 (1972)\|BG 18.61]]). When He sees you are anxious, then He helps you in cleansing the dirty things within your heart. Purport read.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is the process. If you hear about Kṛṣṇa, then Kṛṣṇa is within yourself. ''Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati'' ([[BG 18.61 (1972)\|BG 18.61]]). When He sees you are anxious, then He helps you in cleansing the dirty things within your heart. Purport read.

	Śrutakīrti: "Messages of the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa are nondifferent from Him. Whenever, therefore, offenseless hearing of God is undertaken, it is to be understood that Lord Kṛṣṇa is present there in the form of transcendental sound, which is as powerful as the Lord personally. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in His ''Śikṣāṣṭaka'', declares clearly that the holy name of the Lord has all the potencies of the Lord and that He has endowed His innumerable names with the same potency. There is no rigid fixture of time, and anyone can chant the holy name with attention and reverence at his convenience. The Lord is so kind to us that He can be present before us personally in the form of transcendental sound, but unfortunately we have no taste for hearing and glorifying the Lord's name and activities. We have already discussed developing a taste for hearing and chanting the holy sound. It is done through the medium of service to the pure devotee of the Lord."		'''Śrutakīrti:''' "Messages of the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa are nondifferent from Him. Whenever, therefore, offenseless hearing of God is undertaken, it is to be understood that Lord Kṛṣṇa is present there in the form of transcendental sound, which is as powerful as the Lord personally. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in His ''Śikṣāṣṭaka'', declares clearly that the holy name of the Lord has all the potencies of the Lord and that He has endowed His innumerable names with the same potency. There is no rigid fixture of time, and anyone can chant the holy name with attention and reverence at his convenience. The Lord is so kind to us that He can be present before us personally in the form of transcendental sound, but unfortunately we have no taste for hearing and glorifying the Lord's name and activities. We have already discussed developing a taste for hearing and chanting the holy sound. It is done through the medium of service to the pure devotee of the Lord."

	"The Lord is reciprocally respondent to His devotees. When He sees that a devotee is completely sincere in getting admittance to the transcendental service of the Lord and thus become eager to hear about Him, the Lord acts from within the devotee in such a way that the devotee may easily go back to Him. The Lord is more anxious to take us back into His kingdom than we can desire. Most of us do not desire at all to go back to Godhead. Only a very few men want to go back to Godhead. But anyone who desires to go back to Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa helps in all respects."		"The Lord is reciprocally respondent to His devotees. When He sees that a devotee is completely sincere in getting admittance to the transcendental service of the Lord and thus become eager to hear about Him, the Lord acts from within the devotee in such a way that the devotee may easily go back to Him. The Lord is more anxious to take us back into His kingdom than we can desire. Most of us do not desire at all to go back to Godhead. Only a very few men want to go back to Godhead. But anyone who desires to go back to Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa helps in all respects."
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	'''Guest:''' Again come back to material world?		'''Guest:''' Again come back to material world?

	Śrutakīrti: He said he's still in the material world. Heavenly planets is still the material world.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' He said he's still in the material world. Heavenly planets is still the material world.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Heaven is in the material world. Heaven is in the material world. You can get greater standard of life, greater duration of life, that's all. Higher standard of life. Just like Brahmā. Brahmā's one day you cannot calculate. He's so powerful, how he's created this universe. But he is in the material world. He's also a living entity like us, but very exalted. So he cannot get the post of Brahmā. (laughs) But he can get life in higher planetary system. That is certain.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Heaven is in the material world. Heaven is in the material world. You can get greater standard of life, greater duration of life, that's all. Higher standard of life. Just like Brahmā. Brahmā's one day you cannot calculate. He's so powerful, how he's created this universe. But he is in the material world. He's also a living entity like us, but very exalted. So he cannot get the post of Brahmā. (laughs) But he can get life in higher planetary system. That is certain.

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	(background whispered conversation between Mukunda and Pearl)		(background whispered conversation between Mukunda and Pearl)

	Mukunda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Pearl has been attending our temple and following the regulative principles.		'''Mukunda:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, Pearl has been attending our temple and following the regulative principles.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Very good.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Very good.

	Mukunda: And she wants to become initiated.		'''Mukunda:''' And she wants to become initiated.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' They went to the kingdom of God. They knew what is Rāma.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They went to the kingdom of God. They knew what is Rāma.

	Guest (7): They knew.		'''Guest (7):''' They knew.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They are not in vague understanding.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They are not in vague understanding.

	Guest (7): He wouldn't be able to write ''Rāmāyaṇa'' if he didn't understand Lord Rāmacandra?		'''Guest (7):''' He wouldn't be able to write ''Rāmāyaṇa'' if he didn't understand Lord Rāmacandra?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He had meditated for sixty thousands of years.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He had meditated for sixty thousands of years.

	Guest (7): But I think it was Gandhi who said that Kurukṣetra is this body, five Pāṇḍavas is the five senses. And this is all interpretation concoction.		'''Guest (7):''' But I think it was Gandhi who said that Kurukṣetra is this body, five Pāṇḍavas is the five senses. And this is all interpretation concoction.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (laughs) He did not understand, that's a fact. But even this child, he does not understand, but if he chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, that will be effective. If he understands or not understand; it doesn't matter.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (laughs) He did not understand, that's a fact. But even this child, he does not understand, but if he chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, that will be effective. If he understands or not understand; it doesn't matter.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Hawai-kila'', yes. ''Hawai-kila'', yes. ''Hawai-kila'' means in the air there is a fort. It is something like the Vaiṣṇava considers the heavenly planets, that ''hawai-kila''. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Hawai-kila'', yes. ''Hawai-kila'', yes. ''Hawai-kila'' means in the air there is a fort. It is something like the Vaiṣṇava considers the heavenly planets, that ''hawai-kila''. That's all.

	Guest (7): This rich birth is important for self-realization?		'''Guest (7):''' This rich birth is important for self-realization?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Next birth?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Next birth?
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	'''Devotees:''' Rich birth.		'''Devotees:''' Rich birth.

	Guest (7): To be born in a rich family.		'''Guest (7):''' To be born in a rich family.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. But there is facility. Because people are harassed for getting food and shelter. Everyone is working so hard where to get nice food, where to get nice shelter. Rich man means he has already got. So if he's sane, if he's good . . . has got good association, direction, then he can think that, "I have no anxiety for my food, shelter and other necessities of life. So how shall I utilize my time?" And if he gets good ''guru'', then he can utilize very nicely, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. But there is facility. Because people are harassed for getting food and shelter. Everyone is working so hard where to get nice food, where to get nice shelter. Rich man means he has already got. So if he's sane, if he's good . . . has got good association, direction, then he can think that, "I have no anxiety for my food, shelter and other necessities of life. So how shall I utilize my time?" And if he gets good ''guru'', then he can utilize very nicely, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
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	'''Guest (6):''' That's a good example, example like that. There are rare examples.		'''Guest (6):''' That's a good example, example like that. There are rare examples.

	Guest (7): Likes the ''Bhagavad-gītā''.		'''Guest (7):''' Likes the ''Bhagavad-gītā''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, he's a good man. He's good scholar also, educated.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, he's a good man. He's good scholar also, educated.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is due to government post. (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is due to government post. (laughter)

	Guest (7): And he also accepted an invitation, we invited him. He said he'd also come, but this Pakistan war started.		'''Guest (7):''' And he also accepted an invitation, we invited him. He said he'd also come, but this Pakistan war started.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Still there are so many respectable person came. The governor came, the high-court justices came, and that, the Canadian Ambassador came. Many men came. And he was very humble. He sat down below.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Still there are so many respectable person came. The governor came, the high-court justices came, and that, the Canadian Ambassador came. Many men came. And he was very humble. He sat down below.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right, but if you are not prepared, then you learn how to become prepared. Then the same conclusion comes: that logic, you can give to the animals, but he cannot take it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right, but if you are not prepared, then you learn how to become prepared. Then the same conclusion comes: that logic, you can give to the animals, but he cannot take it.

	Guest (3): I don't think that logic can explain anything.		'''Guest (3):''' I don't think that logic can explain anything.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, logic cannot. But still, as much logic you require, that logic is there.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, logic cannot. But still, as much logic you require, that logic is there.

	Guest (3): Yes, but I don't know what Mr. Howard wants logic about. I don't know. But what logic . . . logic cannot explain anything and everything. And if mathematics or arithmetic, if we go through them, at one stage we can prove ten is equal to zero or nine is equal to zero. It is also possible by step by step . . .		'''Guest (3):''' Yes, but I don't know what Mr. Howard wants logic about. I don't know. But what logic . . . logic cannot explain anything and everything. And if mathematics or arithmetic, if we go through them, at one stage we can prove ten is equal to zero or nine is equal to zero. It is also possible by step by step . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be possible, but it has no practical use. It has no practical use. If the banker gives you zero and you accept nine, then it is practical. But if you theoretically say all these things, that may you keep it in your pocket, but practically it has no use, that nine equal to zero and two equal to zero. That is not practical use.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be possible, but it has no practical use. It has no practical use. If the banker gives you zero and you accept nine, then it is practical. But if you theoretically say all these things, that may you keep it in your pocket, but practically it has no use, that nine equal to zero and two equal to zero. That is not practical use.

	Guest (3): As far as logic, I don't think logic can explain anything and everything.		'''Guest (3):''' As far as logic, I don't think logic can explain anything and everything.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, then it is skepticism. There is no progress of knowledge. There is no progress of knowledge. As far as man can understand, as Mr., you are Mr. Bannerji?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, then it is skepticism. There is no progress of knowledge. There is no progress of knowledge. As far as man can understand, as Mr., you are Mr. Bannerji?

	Guest (3): Mr. Howla.		'''Guest (3):''' Mr. Howla.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Howla? Yes. So, there is little logic there, as a human being can understand. That's all. And if we accept this theory, that logic, our logic is imperfect, we cannot understand, then we have to accept authority. Just like a child. Mother says: "Here is your father." There is no logic. There is no logic. He has to accept. Only the mother version is logic. That's all. Authority. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Howla? Yes. So, there is little logic there, as a human being can understand. That's all. And if we accept this theory, that logic, our logic is imperfect, we cannot understand, then we have to accept authority. Just like a child. Mother says: "Here is your father." There is no logic. There is no logic. He has to accept. Only the mother version is logic. That's all. Authority. Is it not?

	Guest (3): Yes, that's true.		'''Guest (3):''' Yes, that's true.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then where there is no logic, the authority must be accepted. Therefore we accept that authority, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. The best evidence, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. There are different evidences. Out of that, ''veda-pramāṇa, śabda-pramāṇa'' is first class. All right, thank you very much. ''Jaya''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then where there is no logic, the authority must be accepted. Therefore we accept that authority, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. The best evidence, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. There are different evidences. Out of that, ''veda-pramāṇa, śabda-pramāṇa'' is first class. All right, thank you very much. ''Jaya''.

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	'''Guest:''' Can I have a look at it, please?		'''Guest:''' Can I have a look at it, please?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, give him. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho abhadrāṇi ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Apnar chelepule ki? Ekti meye? English meye? Tumi engreji . . . o engreji bojhe . . . engreji bujhbei. Bangla tangla bojhe naki? Banglao jane? Apnar baper bari kothay? Howrah district? Kothay, kon grame? Accha, accha oikhane, Shibpur. Shibpure onek sob bhalo loker bash ache. Oh apnader bario Shibpur?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What about your son or daughter? Oh so it's a girl? She took birth here? English girl? So you are English . . . do you understand? . . . obviously you would understand English. Do you understand Bengali? So you know Bengali? Where are you from? Howrah district? Hmm. Where, which village? Oh all right there at Shibpur. At Shibpur many good people stay there. Oh your actual home is at Shibpur then?)</span> . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, give him. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho abhadrāṇi ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). <span style="color:#ec710e">Apnar chelepule ki? Ekti meye? English meye? Tumi engreji . . . o engreji bojhe . . . engreji bujhbei. Bangla tangla bojhe naki? Banglao jane? Apnar baper bari kothay? Howrah district? Kothay, kon grame? Accha, accha oikhane, Shibpur. Shibpure onek sob bhalo loker bash ache. Oh apnader bario Shibpur?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What about your son or daughter? Oh so it's a girl? She took birth here? English girl? So you are English . . . do you understand? . . . obviously you would understand English. Do you understand Bengali? So you know Bengali? Where are you from? Howrah district? Hmm. Where, which village? Oh all right there at Shibpur. At Shibpur many good people stay there. Oh your actual home is at Shibpur then?)</span> . . . (indistinct)

	'''Śrutakīrti:''' It's not in the Third Chapter.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' It's not in the Third Chapter.
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	'''Pearl:''' Thank you.		'''Pearl:''' Thank you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Give her one, that girl. Give all. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Ta apnar kono decision holo na. Law judgement dilen na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have not decided yet. You could not give any law judgement.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' Give her one, that girl. Give all. <span style="color:#ec710e">Ta apnar kono decision holo na. Law judgement dilen na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have not decided yet. You could not give any law judgement.)</span>

	'''Guest (1):''' (indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Amar ekhonoto background to tairi noy.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I have not made my background yet.)</span>		'''Guest (1):''' (indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#ec710e">Amar ekhonoto background to tairi noy.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I have not made my background yet.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Background tairi korun. Andhakare thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So make a background. Why do you want to stay in the dark?)</span> You are a lawyer. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Yodi mone koren andhakare achen, thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If you think you are in darkness, then why would you want to be inside it?)</span> That is not your business. You must know it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Background tairi korun. Andhakare thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So make a background. Why do you want to stay in the dark?)</span> You are a lawyer. <span style="color:#ec710e">Yodi mone koren andhakare achen, thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If you think you are in darkness, then why would you want to be inside it?)</span> That is not your business. You must know it.

	'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Na, amito . . . (indistinct) . . . amar family to sob vaisnava family. Amar baba . . .(indistinct) . . . amar barir sakale khubi, bhakti bolen yai bolen amader eisob bisay khub bhalo, bhakti-takti . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, I'm just . . . (indistinct) . . . my family is a perfect ''vaisnava'' family. My father has . . . (indistinct) . . . in my family are very inclined to the path of ''bhakti'' . . .)</span>		'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Na, amito . . . (indistinct) . . . amar family to sob vaisnava family. Amar baba . . .(indistinct) . . . amar barir sakale khubi, bhakti bolen yai bolen amader eisob bisay khub bhalo, bhakti-takti . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, I'm just . . . (indistinct) . . . my family is a perfect ''vaisnava'' family. My father has . . . (indistinct) . . . in my family are very inclined to the path of ''bhakti'' . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Setato good qualification.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So that is a good qualification.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Setato good qualification.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So that is a good qualification.)</span>

	'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No.)</span>		'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Why should you be bad qualified? <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Logical, er ceye logical ki paben? Krsnar ceye? Er ceye beshi ki logical discover korben? Apnar sakti ba ki? Tahole osob bisaye niye katha kaite yabo keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What could be more logical than this? Than Kṛṣṇa? What are you going to discover that is more logical than this? What is your truth about it? So why are you talking about all the other matters?)</span> Logic . . . it is logical, ''tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). Where is the illogic? You have passed your childhood body, you have passed your youthhood body, you are in a different body. Although you are in a different body, you are existing. What better logic you can discover? You cannot discover any better logic than this. Don't accuse that we are illogical. Don't accuse. We are logical, completely logical. But we have got brain to understand. Yes. Logic you can put forward, but one must have the brain to understand it. If one is dull like stone, how he can understand logic? This is very clear logic. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na'' . . . ''dhīraḥ'', one who is sober, coolheaded, he understands, "Yes, it is all right."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Why should you be bad qualified? <span style="color:#ec710e">Logical, er ceye logical ki paben? Krsnar ceye? Er ceye beshi ki logical discover korben? Apnar sakti ba ki? Tahole osob bisaye niye katha kaite yabo keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What could be more logical than this? Than Kṛṣṇa? What are you going to discover that is more logical than this? What is your truth about it? So why are you talking about all the other matters?)</span> Logic . . . it is logical, ''tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). Where is the illogic? You have passed your childhood body, you have passed your youthhood body, you are in a different body. Although you are in a different body, you are existing. What better logic you can discover? You cannot discover any better logic than this. Don't accuse that we are illogical. Don't accuse. We are logical, completely logical. But we have got brain to understand. Yes. Logic you can put forward, but one must have the brain to understand it. If one is dull like stone, how he can understand logic? This is very clear logic. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na'' . . . ''dhīraḥ'', one who is sober, coolheaded, he understands, "Yes, it is all right."

	'''Guest (2):''' I have taken quite a lot of your time, if you'll excuse me . . .		'''Guest (2):''' I have taken quite a lot of your time, if you'll excuse me . . .
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then where there is no logic, the authority must be accepted. Therefore we accept that authority, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. The best evidence, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. There are different evidences. Out of that, ''veda-pramāṇa, śabda-pramāṇa'' is first class. All right, thank you very much. ''Jaya''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then where there is no logic, the authority must be accepted. Therefore we accept that authority, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. The best evidence, ''śabda-pramāṇa''. There are different evidences. Out of that, ''veda-pramāṇa, śabda-pramāṇa'' is first class. All right, thank you very much. ''Jaya''.

	<span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Asben, yakhan samay hoy.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please do come again when you have got time.)</span>		<span style="color:#ec710e">Asben, yakhan samay hoy.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Please do come again when you have got time.)</span>

	'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Abar samner saptahe asbo, parer sombar.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Sure. I will come again next week, next Monday.)</span> (Indian guests leave)		'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Abar samner saptahe asbo, parer sombar.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Sure. I will come again next week, next Monday.)</span> (Indian guests leave)

	(background whispered conversation between Mukunda and Pearl)		(background whispered conversation between Mukunda and Pearl)
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They do not understand.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They do not understand.

	'''Guest (6):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Gurumaharaj, ek . . . (indistinct) . . . apnar . . . gandhijike niye . . . ki . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Gurumaharaja, one . . . (indistinct) . . . you . . . about Gandhiji . . . that . . .)</span> he was politician, he was actually not devotee, and he could not understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''. But how the name of Rāma has come when he died? The name of Rāma, Hare Rāma, has come from his last word. How it has come? It is, it is . . .		'''Guest (6):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Gurumaharaj, ek . . . (indistinct) . . . apnar . . . gandhijike niye . . . ki . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Gurumaharaja, one . . . (indistinct) . . . you . . . about Gandhiji . . . that . . .)</span> he was politician, he was actually not devotee, and he could not understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''. But how the name of Rāma has come when he died? The name of Rāma, Hare Rāma, has come from his last word. How it has come? It is, it is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Practice, practice. ''Raghupati rāghava rājā rāma.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' Practice, practice. ''Raghupati rāghava rājā rāma.''

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	So in the human form of life, because of the developed consciousness, there is inquiry, "What I am?" What I am? Am I this body or I'm something else other than this body? This is natural inquiry, and the ''Vedānta''-''sūtra'' begins from this inquiry. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā''. In the animal concept of life the inquiry is, "Where is my food? Where is my shelter? Where is my sex? Where is my defense?" These inquiries. But when one comes to the human form of body, the inquiry should be, at least, that "What I am?" If I study myself, I think, if I take this finger, am I this finger? The answer will be no. It is my finger. So my eyes, my head—everything "mine." Then where is "I"? Unless this inquiry comes into the living form of life, human form of life, he's not human being; he's animal, because animals never inquire. He's satisfied. A dog is satisfied. He knows that, "I am this body." According to the dog's body, he barks. That's all. No more inquiry. Therefore actual human form of life, actual business of human form of life, begins from this inquiry: ''brahma-jijñāsā''. So this ''brahma-jijñāsā'' is being explained in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', "What is Brahman?" That is, ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So ''dehī'', the owner of the body, is Brahman. Therefore Vedic injunction is, "Just realize what you are. ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi''."		So in the human form of life, because of the developed consciousness, there is inquiry, "What I am?" What I am? Am I this body or I'm something else other than this body? This is natural inquiry, and the ''Vedānta''-''sūtra'' begins from this inquiry. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā''. In the animal concept of life the inquiry is, "Where is my food? Where is my shelter? Where is my sex? Where is my defense?" These inquiries. But when one comes to the human form of body, the inquiry should be, at least, that "What I am?" If I study myself, I think, if I take this finger, am I this finger? The answer will be no. It is my finger. So my eyes, my head—everything "mine." Then where is "I"? Unless this inquiry comes into the living form of life, human form of life, he's not human being; he's animal, because animals never inquire. He's satisfied. A dog is satisfied. He knows that, "I am this body." According to the dog's body, he barks. That's all. No more inquiry. Therefore actual human form of life, actual business of human form of life, begins from this inquiry: ''brahma-jijñāsā''. So this ''brahma-jijñāsā'' is being explained in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', "What is Brahman?" That is, ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So ''dehī'', the owner of the body, is Brahman. Therefore Vedic injunction is, "Just realize what you are. ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi''."

	So it is not Hindu ''dharma'' or Indian ''dharma''. It is natural inquiry of the living being when he's advanced in consciousness. So in the bodily concept of life, material necessities can be fulfilled by money or . . . eating, sleeping, mating. But because these things do not give satisfaction to the Western people anymore, because they have seen enough of them—eating, sleeping, sex life and defense—natural inquiry is, "What Brahman?" And that answer can be had from India, nowhere else. Therefore they have got inclination. Whenever they see some Indian ''svāmī'', Indian person talking about spiritual, they flock. But they cheat. Instead of satisfying them . . . ~~Now~~, so far our International Society is concerned, we do not cheat. We speak the real truth. "Here is God, Kṛṣṇa. Here you are. Your relationship is to serve Him. Do this." So they are doing that. Therefore we see a little success of this movement all over the world.		So it is not Hindu ''dharma'' or Indian ''dharma''. It is natural inquiry of the living being when he's advanced in consciousness. So in the bodily concept of life, material necessities can be fulfilled by money or . . . eating, sleeping, mating. But because these things do not give satisfaction to the Western people anymore, because they have seen enough of them—eating, sleeping, sex life and defense—natural inquiry is, "What Brahman?" And that answer can be had from India, nowhere else. Therefore they have got inclination. Whenever they see some Indian ''svāmī'', Indian person talking about spiritual, they flock. But they cheat. Instead of satisfying them . . . now, so far our International Society is concerned, we do not cheat. We speak the real truth. "Here is God, Kṛṣṇa. Here you are. Your relationship is to serve Him. Do this." So they are doing that. Therefore we see a little success of this movement all over the world.

	'''Guest:''' What is God to a layman like me?		'''Guest:''' What is God to a layman like me?
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	So this institution is meant for giving chance to everyone to hear. It doesn't require education. Simply God has given him this ear. Let him receive the message from the ear. ''Śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ''. This is the process. Very simple process: simply to hear, sincerely, then everything will be done gradually. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said, ''ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). By hearing, the mirror of consciousness . . . consciousness is just like a mirror—it is now covered with dust. Mārjanam. Mirror, if you cleanse with a duster, then you can see clearly what is your face. So by this chanting process and hearing, gradually the dirty things in the heart will be cleansed. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). Simply hearing about Kṛṣṇa is ''puṇya'', pious activities. ''Puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ.'' Either you hear or you chant, ''puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi''. There are so many dirty things, nonsense things, within the heart. ''Hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi, vidhunoti'', is washed. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ''.		So this institution is meant for giving chance to everyone to hear. It doesn't require education. Simply God has given him this ear. Let him receive the message from the ear. ''Śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ''. This is the process. Very simple process: simply to hear, sincerely, then everything will be done gradually. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said, ''ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). By hearing, the mirror of consciousness . . . consciousness is just like a mirror—it is now covered with dust. Mārjanam. Mirror, if you cleanse with a duster, then you can see clearly what is your face. So by this chanting process and hearing, gradually the dirty things in the heart will be cleansed. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.17\|SB 1.2.17]]). Simply hearing about Kṛṣṇa is ''puṇya'', pious activities. ''Puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ.'' Either you hear or you chant, ''puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi''. There are so many dirty things, nonsense things, within the heart. ''Hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi, vidhunoti'', is washed. ''Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ''.

	(aside:) Who is . . .? Find out this verse: ''śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ''.		(aside) Who is . . .? Find out this verse: ''śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ''.

	In the First Canto, first part, Third Chapter. Where is Paṇḍita Mahārāja? Call him. ''Śṛṇvatām sva'' . . . you can find out in the index.		In the First Canto, first part, Third Chapter. Where is Paṇḍita Mahārāja? Call him. ''Śṛṇvatām sva'' . . . you can find out in the index.
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	'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-i-n''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''S-i-n''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''R. Sva-kathāḥ. S-v-a.'' Yes. What is it?. . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''R. Sva-kathāḥ. S-v-a.'' Yes. What is it? . . .

	'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''Sva-pathaḥ''?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' ''Sva-pathaḥ''?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Background tairi korun. Andhakare thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So make a background. Why do you want to stay in the dark?)</span> You are a lawyer. <span style="color:#ff9933">Yodi mone koren andhakare achen, thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If you think you are in darkness, then why would you want to be inside it?)</span> That is not your business. You must know it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Background tairi korun. Andhakare thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So make a background. Why do you want to stay in the dark?)</span> You are a lawyer. <span style="color:#ff9933">Yodi mone koren andhakare achen, thakben keno?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If you think you are in darkness, then why would you want to be inside it?)</span> That is not your business. You must know it.

	'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Na, amito . . . (indistinct) . . . ~~Amar~~ family to sob vaisnava family. Amar baba . . .(indistinct) . . . amar barir sakale khubi, bhakti bolen yai bolen amader eisob bisay khub bhalo, bhakti-takti . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, I'm just . . . (indistinct) . . . my family is a perfect ''vaisnava'' family. My father has . . . (indistinct) . . . in my family are very inclined to the path of ''bhakti'' . . .)</span>		'''Guest (1):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Na, amito . . . (indistinct) . . . amar family to sob vaisnava family. Amar baba . . .(indistinct) . . . amar barir sakale khubi, bhakti bolen yai bolen amader eisob bisay khub bhalo, bhakti-takti . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, I'm just . . . (indistinct) . . . my family is a perfect ''vaisnava'' family. My father has . . . (indistinct) . . . in my family are very inclined to the path of ''bhakti'' . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Setato good qualification.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So that is a good qualification.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Setato good qualification.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So that is a good qualification.)</span>
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They do not understand.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. They do not understand.

	'''Guest (6):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Gurumaharaj, ek. . . (indistinct) . . . apnar . . . ~~Gandhijike~~ niye . . . ki . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Gurumaharaja, one . . . (indistinct) . . . you . . . about Gandhiji . . . that . . .)</span> he was politician, he was actually not devotee, and he could not understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''. But how the name of Rāma has come when he died? The name of Rāma, Hare Rāma, has come from his last word. How it has come? It is, it is . . .		'''Guest (6):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Gurumaharaj, ek . . . (indistinct) . . . apnar . . . gandhijike niye . . . ki . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Gurumaharaja, one . . . (indistinct) . . . you . . . about Gandhiji . . . that . . .)</span> he was politician, he was actually not devotee, and he could not understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''. But how the name of Rāma has come when he died? The name of Rāma, Hare Rāma, has come from his last word. How it has come? It is, it is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Practice, practice. ''Raghupati rāghava rājā rāma.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' Practice, practice. ''Raghupati rāghava rājā rāma.''
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	'''Guest (6):''' (laughs) No.		'''Guest (6):''' (laughs) No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is his misfortune. But in spite of his misfortune, because he was practiced to chant the name of Rāma, he was pious, although he was ignorant. He was absorbed in thought of politics. He should have, if he would have understood that Rāma is a fact, Kṛṣṇa is a fact . . . that he did not understand. Then he would have preached the glories of Rāma, glories of Kṛṣṇa. He took the chanting of Rāma for his political purposes. He utilized for political purpose. Just like . . . that is ''nāma-aparādha. Sarva-śubha-kriyā-sāmyam api pramādaḥ'' (''Padma Purāṇa''). He was trying to get some material profit by chanting the holy name of Rāma. That he got, material profit. He was the most famous politician, all over the world.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is his misfortune. But in spite of his misfortune, because he was practiced to chant the name of Rāma, he was pious, although he was ignorant. He was absorbed in thought of politics. He should have, if he would have understood that Rāma is a fact, Kṛṣṇa is a fact . . . that he did not understand. Then he would have preached the glories of Rāma, glories of Kṛṣṇa. He took the chanting of Rāma for his political purposes. He utilized for political purpose. Just like . . . that is ''nāma-aparādha. Sarva-śubha-kriyā-sāmyam api pramādaḥ'' (Padma Purāṇa). He was trying to get some material profit by chanting the holy name of Rāma. That he got, material profit. He was the most famous politician, all over the world.

	'''Guest (6):''' But he did not accept any post, you know that? At the same time . . .		'''Guest (6):''' But he did not accept any post, you know that? At the same time . . .
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Then again they come down to this material world and he takes birth either in a very exalted ''brahmin'' family, ''śucīnām'', or very rich ''vaiśya'' family. After enjoying there, again he's given chance to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. And if he misses, then again he goes down. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says these are all false elevation. If I have to come again back, again I have to accept another lower-grade life, then what is the profit? Kṛṣṇa gives His straight understanding: ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]). You become Kṛṣṇa conscious. "After the giving up this body, no more material body either in the heavenly planet or in the lower hellish planet. You come direct to Me." That is perfection.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. Then again they come down to this material world and he takes birth either in a very exalted ''brahmin'' family, ''śucīnām'', or very rich ''vaiśya'' family. After enjoying there, again he's given chance to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. And if he misses, then again he goes down. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says these are all false elevation. If I have to come again back, again I have to accept another lower-grade life, then what is the profit? Kṛṣṇa gives His straight understanding: ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]). You become Kṛṣṇa conscious. "After the giving up this body, no more material body either in the heavenly planet or in the lower hellish planet. You come direct to Me." That is perfection.

	You should not be attracted by somebody has gone to heavenly planet for ten thousands of years' living. We should not be attracted by these things. Therefore Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says, ''kaivalyaṁ narakāyate tridaśa-pur ākāśa-puṣpāyate'' (''Caitanya-candrāmṛta''). Tridaśa-pur means the heavenly planets. ''Ākāśa'', it is just like will of the wisp, something . . . just like, what do you say Hindi? There are many proverbs. "Which has no existence." Just like in Bengali we say ''ghora-ḍima. Ghora-ḍima. Ḍima'' means egg. The horse never lays down egg. But the word is running on: "the egg of horse." So it has no existence, but the word is there. Similarly . . . what do you say in Hindi? Something which has no existence but it is current. I think there is.		You should not be attracted by somebody has gone to heavenly planet for ten thousands of years' living. We should not be attracted by these things. Therefore Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says, ''kaivalyaṁ narakāyate tridaśa-pur ākāśa-puṣpāyate'' (Caitanya-candrāmṛta). Tridaśa-pur means the heavenly planets. ''Ākāśa'', it is just like will of the wisp, something . . . just like, what do you say Hindi? There are many proverbs. "Which has no existence." Just like in Bengali we say ''ghora-ḍima. Ghora-ḍima. Ḍima'' means egg. The horse never lays down egg. But the word is running on: "the egg of horse." So it has no existence, but the word is there. Similarly . . . what do you say in Hindi? Something which has no existence but it is current. I think there is.

	'''Guest (6):''' ''Hawai-kila.''		'''Guest (6):''' ''Hawai-kila.''