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	:''kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ''		:''kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ''
	:''pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam''		:''pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam''
	:(''Padma Purāṇa'')		:(Padma Purāṇa)

	There are nine ''lakhs'' varieties of life in the water. Similarly, twenty ''lakhs'' varieties of life in the trees and plants. Then there are insects, then there are birds, then there are animals, then there is human being. So this human form of body is obtained after evolution of many millions and trillions of years. It should not be . . . this is a chance for stopping this business of repetition of birth and death. But people, they have no knowledge how to stop it. Although everything is there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', everything is explained, but we are not utilizing. We are manufacturing our own concocted knowledge. Therefore we are suffering. If we read ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, then all the solution of human society's problem are there. Economic, social, political, religious, cultural, philosophical—everything is there.		There are nine ''lakhs'' varieties of life in the water. Similarly, twenty ''lakhs'' varieties of life in the trees and plants. Then there are insects, then there are birds, then there are animals, then there is human being. So this human form of body is obtained after evolution of many millions and trillions of years. It should not be . . . this is a chance for stopping this business of repetition of birth and death. But people, they have no knowledge how to stop it. Although everything is there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', everything is explained, but we are not utilizing. We are manufacturing our own concocted knowledge. Therefore we are suffering. If we read ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, then all the solution of human society's problem are there. Economic, social, political, religious, cultural, philosophical—everything is there.

	So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for spreading the knowledge contained in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, without any malinterpretation. ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.12]]). After understanding ''Bhagavad-gītā'' from Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna affirmed, "Kṛṣṇa, You are Para-brahman, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Brahman . . . every living entity is Brahman, or everything is Brahman. ''Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma.'' That is a fact. But Para-brahman is Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme. ''Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13). That is the Vedic version. He is the Supreme. So unless we accept Kṛṣṇa the Supreme, what is the use of reading ''Bhagavad-gītā''? So that we have to accept, and His instruction, as they are given, everything. Just like economic solution, there is in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]). There is need of ''anna'' to feed the animals and the human being. Simply by passing resolution, conference, it will not do. You must produce ''anna'' so that animals and men, they may be fed sumptuously. They will get strength, then they can work for ''yajña. Yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ''. In this way people can be happy.		So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for spreading the knowledge contained in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, without any malinterpretation. ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' it is said that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān'' ([[BG 10.12-13 (1972)\|BG 10.12]]). After understanding ''Bhagavad-gītā'' from Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna affirmed, "Kṛṣṇa, You are Para-brahman, the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Brahman . . . every living entity is Brahman, or everything is Brahman. ''Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma.'' That is a fact. But Para-brahman is Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme. ''Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). That is the Vedic version. He is the Supreme. So unless we accept Kṛṣṇa the Supreme, what is the use of reading ''Bhagavad-gītā''? So that we have to accept, and His instruction, as they are given, everything. Just like economic solution, there is in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]). There is need of ''anna'' to feed the animals and the human being. Simply by passing resolution, conference, it will not do. You must produce ''anna'' so that animals and men, they may be fed sumptuously. They will get strength, then they can work for ''yajña. Yajñaḥ karma-samudbhavaḥ''. In this way people can be happy.

	So everything, solution is there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', and we are trying to spread this knowledge of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' all over the world, and people are accepting. Now we have started in America a political party, "In God We Trust." So they are doing very successfully. People are accepting. They are criticizing the so-called leaders. After Nixon, people are disgusted with the so-called leaders. So we are teaching them what kind of leaders should be selected. The king, the public leader, the ''brāhmaṇa'', and . . . at least these three men, they should be free from the four kinds of sinful activities. If they are personally sinful, how they can lead other people? That is not possible. ''Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). If a man is himself blind man, how he can lead other blind men? That is not . . . it is dangerous for both of them. So the leaders, the politicians, the king, the ''brāhmaṇa'', they should be very much pure, without any sinful tinge of life. And the pillars of sinful life is illicit sex life and meat-eating and intoxication and gambling. Now, unfortunately, the leaders are teaching people how to enjoy illicit sex life, meat-eating and intoxication. Then how the society can be happy? It is not possible. If you become criminal or if you infect some disease, you must suffer. Similarly, in the material world there are three ''guṇas, sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa''. So if you associate with ''sattva-guṇa'', then you become enlightened. If you associate with ''rajo-guṇa'', then you are, I mean to say, pushed through passion. And if you are in ignorance, then you do not know what is right and wrong. ''Kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye'' ([[SB 1.2.19\|SB 1.2.19]]). The symptoms of ''rajo-guṇa'' and ''tamo-guṇa'' is excessive lust and greediness. And ''sattva-guṇa'', they are in knowledge.		So everything, solution is there in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', and we are trying to spread this knowledge of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' all over the world, and people are accepting. Now we have started in America a political party, "In God We Trust." So they are doing very successfully. People are accepting. They are criticizing the so-called leaders. After Nixon, people are disgusted with the so-called leaders. So we are teaching them what kind of leaders should be selected. The king, the public leader, the ''brāhmaṇa'', and . . . at least these three men, they should be free from the four kinds of sinful activities. If they are personally sinful, how they can lead other people? That is not possible. ''Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). If a man is himself blind man, how he can lead other blind men? That is not . . . it is dangerous for both of them. So the leaders, the politicians, the king, the ''brāhmaṇa'', they should be very much pure, without any sinful tinge of life. And the pillars of sinful life is illicit sex life and meat-eating and intoxication and gambling. Now, unfortunately, the leaders are teaching people how to enjoy illicit sex life, meat-eating and intoxication. Then how the society can be happy? It is not possible. If you become criminal or if you infect some disease, you must suffer. Similarly, in the material world there are three ''guṇas, sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa''. So if you associate with ''sattva-guṇa'', then you become enlightened. If you associate with ''rajo-guṇa'', then you are, I mean to say, pushed through passion. And if you are in ignorance, then you do not know what is right and wrong. ''Kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye'' ([[SB 1.2.19\|SB 1.2.19]]). The symptoms of ''rajo-guṇa'' and ''tamo-guṇa'' is excessive lust and greediness. And ''sattva-guṇa'', they are in knowledge.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad project, that he knows, Mahāṁśa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad project, that he knows, Mahāṁśa.

	'''Reporter (9):''' What your goal, to plan now in India? Your goal to plan now in India? How long you will be staying and . . . (indistinct)?		'''Reporter (9):''' What your goal, to plan now in India? Your goal to plan now in India? How long you will be staying and . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I am going to see Bālajī, that's all. Bālajī.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I am going to see Bālajī, that's all. Bālajī.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . I shall speak?		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . I shall speak?

	Mahāṁśa: First His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrīla Prabhupāda will speak something about our philosophy for a few minutes, and then you can ask questions.		'''Mahāṁśa:''' First His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Śrīla Prabhupāda will speak something about our philosophy for a few minutes, and then you can ask questions.

	'''Prabhupāda:'''		'''Prabhupāda:'''
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	'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)		'''Devotees:''' ''Haribol''. (break)

	Mahāṁśa: Now we open the placement to the questions.		'''Mahāṁśa:''' Now we open the placement to the questions.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, upon this, what I have already stated, you can . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, upon this, what I have already stated, you can . . .

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?

	Reporter (4): Meditation.		'''Reporter (4):''' Meditation.

	''''''Reporter (3):'''''' Meditation.		''''''Reporter (3):'''''' Meditation.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' To teach how to get rid of this disease of birth, death and old age. That is ''guru's'' business. That is also father's business, that is also ''guru's'' business, or the caretaker's business, the government's business. Because this human life is meant for getting out of these clutches of ''māyā'', constantly, repeatedly changing body. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]), ''bhūtvā pralīyate'' ([[BG 8.19 (1972)\|BG 8.19]]). This business should be stopped. ''Na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyuṁ gurur na sa syāt'' ([[SB 5.5.18\|SB 5.5.18]]). ''Śāstra'' says, "One should not be ''guru'' if he cannot deliver the disciple from the chain of birth, death, old age and disease."		'''Prabhupāda:''' To teach how to get rid of this disease of birth, death and old age. That is ''guru's'' business. That is also father's business, that is also ''guru's'' business, or the caretaker's business, the government's business. Because this human life is meant for getting out of these clutches of ''māyā'', constantly, repeatedly changing body. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]), ''bhūtvā pralīyate'' ([[BG 8.19 (1972)\|BG 8.19]]). This business should be stopped. ''Na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyuṁ gurur na sa syāt'' ([[SB 5.5.18\|SB 5.5.18]]). ''Śāstra'' says, "One should not be ''guru'' if he cannot deliver the disciple from the chain of birth, death, old age and disease."

	Reporter (4): . . . (indistinct question)		'''Reporter (4):''' . . . (indistinct question)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The Americans and the Europeans, they are fed up with this material type of civilization. They are . . . they know that spiritual life is there in India. They understand it. Therefore, any ''svāmī'' goes there, they go round him to take some spiritual instruction. Unfortunately, mostly they go who have no knowledge. They cannot give them right knowledge. So for the time being they may surround them, but after some time they disperse, because they do not get actually. But so far Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, now many ''svāmīs'' went there and they preached ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, but not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa for the last hundreds of years. But now ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is being presented as it is, and people are taking it by hundreds, thousands. So they are after some knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from India, but our so-called ''svāmīs'', they go, they do not give actual information of the Indian spiritual culture. Therefore they are practically deceived. But this ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, we do not change anything. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). So we are teaching them that, "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa." So they are accepting. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So we are teaching that, "Just always think of Kṛṣṇa, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'', and you will remember Kṛṣṇa." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "And just become devotee. Worship the Deity of Kṛṣṇa. Become His ''bhakta''." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī''. "Worship Lord Kṛṣṇa." ''Māṁ namaskuru'': "Offer your obeisances to Kṛṣṇa." So we are teaching this ''arcanam''. We have got hundred temples like this all over the world. And hundreds and thousands are joining. So this is practical. So they are accepting. Now it is our duty to give the actual Vedic culture, which is concise, summarized in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Sarvopaniṣad-gavaḥ'', the essence of all ''Upaniṣads''' teaching.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The Americans and the Europeans, they are fed up with this material type of civilization. They are . . . they know that spiritual life is there in India. They understand it. Therefore, any ''svāmī'' goes there, they go round him to take some spiritual instruction. Unfortunately, mostly they go who have no knowledge. They cannot give them right knowledge. So for the time being they may surround them, but after some time they disperse, because they do not get actually. But so far Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, now many ''svāmīs'' went there and they preached ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, but not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa for the last hundreds of years. But now ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is being presented as it is, and people are taking it by hundreds, thousands. So they are after some knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from India, but our so-called ''svāmīs'', they go, they do not give actual information of the Indian spiritual culture. Therefore they are practically deceived. But this ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, we do not change anything. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). So we are teaching them that, "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa." So they are accepting. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So we are teaching that, "Just always think of Kṛṣṇa, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'', and you will remember Kṛṣṇa." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "And just become devotee. Worship the Deity of Kṛṣṇa. Become His ''bhakta''." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī''. "Worship Lord Kṛṣṇa." ''Māṁ namaskuru'': "Offer your obeisances to Kṛṣṇa." So we are teaching this ''arcanam''. We have got hundred temples like this all over the world. And hundreds and thousands are joining. So this is practical. So they are accepting. Now it is our duty to give the actual Vedic culture, which is concise, summarized in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Sarvopaniṣad-gavaḥ'', the essence of all ''Upaniṣads''' teaching.

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	As soon as you become unalloyed devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you immediately transcend this material platform. ''Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''. You remain in the spiritual platform. And if you die in the spiritual platform, then you go to the spiritual world.		As soon as you become unalloyed devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you immediately transcend this material platform. ''Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''. You remain in the spiritual platform. And if you die in the spiritual platform, then you go to the spiritual world.

	'''Reporter (3):''' But isn't the ''bhajana'' that you do . . . (indistinct) . . . for concentration?		''''''Reporter (3):'''''' But isn't the ''bhajana'' that you do . . . (indistinct) . . . for concentration?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, ''bhajana'' is concentration, reading is concentration . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, ''bhajana'' is concentration, reading is concentration . . .

	'''Reporter (3):''' No, besides that, any other type of concentration you do?		''''''Reporter (3):'''''' No, besides that, any other type of concentration you do?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?
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	Reporter (4): Meditation.		Reporter (4): Meditation.

	'''Reporter (3):''' Meditation.		''''''Reporter (3):'''''' Meditation.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. When you think . . . ''dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', in ''dhyāna'', in meditation, they always see the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu within the heart. So that is meditation. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ''. The ''jñānīs'', they see by cultivation of knowledge, and the ''bhaktas'', they see the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, is understood from different angles of vision. ''Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam'' ([[SB 1.2.11\|SB 1.2.11]]). That is Absolute Truth. ''Yaj jñānam advayam.'' There is no difference between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. The same thing in different angle of vision. The ''jñānīs'', they realize as impersonal Brahman. The ''yogīs'', they realize as Paramātmā situated in everyone's heart. And the ''bhaktas'', they realize as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But the thing is the same. It is the different angle of vision only.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. When you think . . . ''dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', in ''dhyāna'', in meditation, they always see the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu within the heart. So that is meditation. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ''. The ''jñānīs'', they see by cultivation of knowledge, and the ''bhaktas'', they see the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, is understood from different angles of vision. ''Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam'' ([[SB 1.2.11\|SB 1.2.11]]). That is Absolute Truth. ''Yaj jñānam advayam.'' There is no difference between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. The same thing in different angle of vision. The ''jñānīs'', they realize as impersonal Brahman. The ''yogīs'', they realize as Paramātmā situated in everyone's heart. And the ''bhaktas'', they realize as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But the thing is the same. It is the different angle of vision only.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, immediately you have to see physically. Then gradually, when by offering service you develop your dormant love for God, then you can see the spiritual. It is not immediately or for everyone. So you have to wait for that position.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, immediately you have to see physically. Then gradually, when by offering service you develop your dormant love for God, then you can see the spiritual. It is not immediately or for everyone. So you have to wait for that position.

	Reporter (6): That is your God submission. In regards to Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement in the West—like you said, the Western people are fed up with materialism. Is it that they are fed up only with materialism or with . . . Christianity or society . . .? And do you also say the so-called ''svāmīs'' . . .		'''Reporter (6):''' That is your God submission. In regards to Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement in the West—like you said, the Western people are fed up with materialism. Is it that they are fed up only with materialism or with . . . Christianity or society . . .? And do you also say the so-called ''svāmīs'' . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, people, people have become godless everywhere. It doesn't matter whether he is a Christian or Muhammadan or a Hindu. That is a general disease. So actually, everyone is concerned now with material comforts. But these material comforts mean wine and women, that's all. Substance of material comforts. So that they have enjoyed enough. The facility of enjoying woman and getting money, there is no limit. There is no limit. Anyone. The money is thrown in the street. You can simply collect. And similarly, women are available. So actually, they do not get any happiness by these material elements. They are seeking after something, that's a fact.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, people, people have become godless everywhere. It doesn't matter whether he is a Christian or Muhammadan or a Hindu. That is a general disease. So actually, everyone is concerned now with material comforts. But these material comforts mean wine and women, that's all. Substance of material comforts. So that they have enjoyed enough. The facility of enjoying woman and getting money, there is no limit. There is no limit. Anyone. The money is thrown in the street. You can simply collect. And similarly, women are available. So actually, they do not get any happiness by these material elements. They are seeking after something, that's a fact.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is a spiritual leader? First of all we have to think . . . if the businessman is not spiritual leader . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is a spiritual leader? First of all we have to think . . . if the businessman is not spiritual leader . . .

	Reporter (6): So you mean the lack of spiritual leadership has driven us to this state of affairs?		'''Reporter (6):''' So you mean the lack of spiritual leadership has driven us to this state of affairs?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Because there have been so many. Just like ''Bhagavad-gītā'', it is standard book. The so-called spiritual leaders, they give different interpretation. Why different interpretation? One interpretation is there. Anyone can understand, m''an-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). It is plain thing, Kṛṣṇa says that, "You always think of Me." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "You become My devotee. You just worship Me, offer your . . . " And Dr. Radhakrishnan says: "It is not to Kṛṣṇa personally." What right he has got to say like that? Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava.'' Dr. Radhakrishnan says, "It is not to Kṛṣṇa." This is going on. Just see. This is . . . he is a scholar, he is a philosopher. Even Gandhi says that, "There was no Kṛṣṇa, it is all mythology." Then? How people will learn it? If Kṛṣṇa because mythology, the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' becomes imagination and anyone can interpret in any way, then where is the teaching?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Because there have been so many. Just like ''Bhagavad-gītā'', it is standard book. The so-called spiritual leaders, they give different interpretation. Why different interpretation? One interpretation is there. Anyone can understand, m''an-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). It is plain thing, Kṛṣṇa says that, "You always think of Me." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "You become My devotee. You just worship Me, offer your . . . " And Dr. Radhakrishnan says: "It is not to Kṛṣṇa personally." What right he has got to say like that? Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava.'' Dr. Radhakrishnan says, "It is not to Kṛṣṇa." This is going on. Just see. This is . . . he is a scholar, he is a philosopher. Even Gandhi says that, "There was no Kṛṣṇa, it is all mythology." Then? How people will learn it? If Kṛṣṇa because mythology, the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' becomes imagination and anyone can interpret in any way, then where is the teaching?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes. We have got in Moscow, we have got in China. But they are taking gradually. Everything will take time. But we have got many Muhammadan students. Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes. We have got in Moscow, we have got in China. But they are taking gradually. Everything will take time. But we have got many Muhammadan students. Yes.

	Reporter (8): You have got a center established in Iran?		'''Reporter (8):''' You have got a center established in Iran?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Reporter (8): Within what time? Recently?		'''Reporter (8):''' Within what time? Recently?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' I think about two years.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I think about two years.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We have got African students also, many African students. In everywhere we are spreading this Hare Kṛṣṇa. We go village to village, they accept. In African village, with big, big earrings, they also dance in Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We have got African students also, many African students. In everywhere we are spreading this Hare Kṛṣṇa. We go village to village, they accept. In African village, with big, big earrings, they also dance in Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''.

	Reporter (8): How do they respond in China?		'''Reporter (8):''' How do they respond in China?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, China also. They also receive very nicely. They are intel . . . everywhere the people are always good. They are made bad by the leaders, that's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, China also. They also receive very nicely. They are intel . . . everywhere the people are always good. They are made bad by the leaders, that's all.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. First of all try to understand that what is the defect. The defect is that malinterpretation, bad interpretation. Interpretation is required when a thing you cannot understand. But if a thing is clearly understood, why you interpret to mislead the leader? That is our protest. It is clearly understood. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). Then what right you have got to say that, "It is not to Kṛṣṇa, it is something else"? That has misled our country. Do you admit or not? This misinterpretation. Why should you misinterpret in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''? If you have got a different philosophy, you can write in your own books, but why through ''Bhagavad-gītā''? This is very dangerous. This is very, very dangerous. It has spoiled the whole country. You write your own philosophy. But why do you take advantage of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and misinterpret it and mislead the people? That is my protest.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. First of all try to understand that what is the defect. The defect is that malinterpretation, bad interpretation. Interpretation is required when a thing you cannot understand. But if a thing is clearly understood, why you interpret to mislead the leader? That is our protest. It is clearly understood. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). ''Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja'' ([[BG 18.66 (1972)\|BG 18.66]]). Then what right you have got to say that, "It is not to Kṛṣṇa, it is something else"? That has misled our country. Do you admit or not? This misinterpretation. Why should you misinterpret in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''? If you have got a different philosophy, you can write in your own books, but why through ''Bhagavad-gītā''? This is very dangerous. This is very, very dangerous. It has spoiled the whole country. You write your own philosophy. But why do you take advantage of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and misinterpret it and mislead the people? That is my protest.

	Reporter (8): (indistinct) . . . Hyderabad project?		'''Reporter (8):''' (indistinct) . . . Hyderabad project?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	Reporter (8): Hyderabad project.		'''Reporter (8):''' Hyderabad project.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad?

	Reporter (8): What is your plan for Hyderabad project for Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct)?		'''Reporter (8):''' What is your plan for Hyderabad project for Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct)?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?

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	As soon as you become unalloyed devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you immediately transcend this material platform. ''Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''. You remain in the spiritual platform. And if you die in the spiritual platform, then you go to the spiritual world.		As soon as you become unalloyed devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you immediately transcend this material platform. ''Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate''. You remain in the spiritual platform. And if you die in the spiritual platform, then you go to the spiritual world.

	~~'''~~'''Reporter (3):~~'''~~''' But isn't the ''bhajana'' that you do . . . (indistinct) . . . for concentration?		'''Reporter (3):''' But isn't the ''bhajana'' that you do . . . (indistinct) . . . for concentration?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, ''bhajana'' is concentration, reading is concentration . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, ''bhajana'' is concentration, reading is concentration . . .

	~~'''~~'''Reporter (3):~~'''~~''' No, besides that, any other type of concentration you do?		'''Reporter (3):''' No, besides that, any other type of concentration you do?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by concentration?
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	'''Reporter (4):''' Meditation.		'''Reporter (4):''' Meditation.

	~~'''~~'''Reporter (3):~~'''~~''' Meditation.		'''Reporter (3):''' Meditation.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. When you think . . . ''dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', in ''dhyāna'', in meditation, they always see the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu within the heart. So that is meditation. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ''. The ''jñānīs'', they see by cultivation of knowledge, and the ''bhaktas'', they see the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, is understood from different angles of vision. ''Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam'' ([[SB 1.2.11\|SB 1.2.11]]). That is Absolute Truth. ''Yaj jñānam advayam.'' There is no difference between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. The same thing in different angle of vision. The ''jñānīs'', they realize as impersonal Brahman. The ''yogīs'', they realize as Paramātmā situated in everyone's heart. And the ''bhaktas'', they realize as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But the thing is the same. It is the different angle of vision only.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. When you think . . . ''dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', in ''dhyāna'', in meditation, they always see the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu within the heart. So that is meditation. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ''. The ''jñānīs'', they see by cultivation of knowledge, and the ''bhaktas'', they see the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth, is understood from different angles of vision. ''Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam'' ([[SB 1.2.11\|SB 1.2.11]]). That is Absolute Truth. ''Yaj jñānam advayam.'' There is no difference between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. The same thing in different angle of vision. The ''jñānīs'', they realize as impersonal Brahman. The ''yogīs'', they realize as Paramātmā situated in everyone's heart. And the ''bhaktas'', they realize as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But the thing is the same. It is the different angle of vision only.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' The Americans and the Europeans, they are fed up with this material type of civilization. They are . . . they know that spiritual life is there in India. They understand it. Therefore, any ''svāmī'' goes there, they go round him to take some spiritual instruction. Unfortunately, mostly they go who have no knowledge. They cannot give them right knowledge. So for the time being they may surround them, but after some time they disperse, because they do not get actually. But so far Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, now many ''svāmīs'' went there and they preached ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, but not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa for the last hundreds of years. But now ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is being presented as it is, and people are taking it by hundreds, thousands. So they are after some knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from India, but our so-called ''svāmīs'', they go, they do not give actual information of the Indian spiritual culture. Therefore they are practically deceived. But this ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, we do not change anything. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). So we are teaching them that, "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa." So they are accepting. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So we are teaching that, "Just always think of Kṛṣṇa, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'', and you will remember Kṛṣṇa." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "And just become devotee. Worship the Deity of Kṛṣṇa. Become His ''bhakta''." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī''. "Worship Lord Kṛṣṇa." ''Māṁ namaskuru'': "Offer your obeisances to Kṛṣṇa." So we are teaching this ''arcanam''. We have got hundred temples like this all over the world. And hundreds and thousands are joining. So this is practical. So they are accepting. Now it is our duty to give the actual Vedic culture, which is concise, summarized in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Sarvopaniṣad-gavaḥ'', the essence of all ''Upaniṣads''' teaching.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The Americans and the Europeans, they are fed up with this material type of civilization. They are . . . they know that spiritual life is there in India. They understand it. Therefore, any ''svāmī'' goes there, they go round him to take some spiritual instruction. Unfortunately, mostly they go who have no knowledge. They cannot give them right knowledge. So for the time being they may surround them, but after some time they disperse, because they do not get actually. But so far Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, now many ''svāmīs'' went there and they preached ''Bhagavad-gītā'' also, but not a single person became a devotee of Kṛṣṇa for the last hundreds of years. But now ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is being presented as it is, and people are taking it by hundreds, thousands. So they are after some knowledge, spiritual knowledge, from India, but our so-called ''svāmīs'', they go, they do not give actual information of the Indian spiritual culture. Therefore they are practically deceived. But this ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is, we do not change anything. In the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' you understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). So we are teaching them that, "Here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa." So they are accepting. Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So we are teaching that, "Just always think of Kṛṣṇa, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'', and you will remember Kṛṣṇa." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.'' "And just become devotee. Worship the Deity of Kṛṣṇa. Become His ''bhakta''." ''Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī''. "Worship Lord Kṛṣṇa." ''Māṁ namaskuru'': "Offer your obeisances to Kṛṣṇa." So we are teaching this ''arcanam''. We have got hundred temples like this all over the world. And hundreds and thousands are joining. So this is practical. So they are accepting. Now it is our duty to give the actual Vedic culture, which is concise, summarized in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. ''Sarvopaniṣad-gavaḥ'', the essence of all ''Upaniṣads'' teaching.

	So there is very good demand for this culture, but unfortunately we give some rubbish things, and they come. Sometimes they go, that he becomes himself God. What is this nonsense? God is so cheap? So they have been frustrated, and our people go and still more frustrate them by giving some cheating type of . . . but here ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is very simple. There is no need of great education. What is the difficulty to understand? If Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]), where is the difficulty? "You always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me, offer My obeisances." ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]): "Divide the society in four classes of men." ''Annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]): "You just produce sufficient food grains and eat sufficiently. Be strong. Perform ''yajña''." Where is the difficulty to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		So there is very good demand for this culture, but unfortunately we give some rubbish things, and they come. Sometimes they go, that he becomes himself God. What is this nonsense? God is so cheap? So they have been frustrated, and our people go and still more frustrate them by giving some cheating type of . . . but here ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is very simple. There is no need of great education. What is the difficulty to understand? If Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]), where is the difficulty? "You always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me, offer My obeisances." ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]): "Divide the society in four classes of men." ''Annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]): "You just produce sufficient food grains and eat sufficiently. Be strong. Perform ''yajña''." Where is the difficulty to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, China also. They also receive very nicely. They are intel . . . everywhere the people are always good. They are made bad by the leaders, that's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, China also. They also receive very nicely. They are intel . . . everywhere the people are always good. They are made bad by the leaders, that's all.

	Reporter (9): You know, it sticks in the mind, about the leaders and the government, you said it. Is the duty of the leaders of the government to see the people are happy?		'''Reporter (9):''' You know, it sticks in the mind, about the leaders and the government, you said it. Is the duty of the leaders of the government to see the people are happy?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Reporter (9): In this context, how do you see the government of India?		'''Reporter (9):''' In this context, how do you see the government of India?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not wish to speak of any particular government. But generally, everywhere the government is not very good. Even in America the president is not liked.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not wish to speak of any particular government. But generally, everywhere the government is not very good. Even in America the president is not liked.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad project, that he knows, Mahāṁśa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hyderabad project, that he knows, Mahāṁśa.

	Reporter (9): What your goal, to plan now in India? Your goal to plan now in India? How long you will be staying and . . . (indistinct)?		'''Reporter (9):''' What your goal, to plan now in India? Your goal to plan now in India? How long you will be staying and . . . (indistinct)?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I am going to see Bālajī, that's all. Bālajī.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, I am going to see Bālajī, that's all. Bālajī.

	Reporter (9): And then go back to the States?		'''Reporter (9):''' And then go back to the States?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Yeah I will go to Europe and . . . I'll go to London, then to Paris, then Germany, then Sweden, and Switzerland. I have got temples there. In Germany we have got four temples. In Sweden we have got. In Switzerland we have got. France we have got. In England we have got four, five.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Yeah I will go to Europe and . . . I'll go to London, then to Paris, then Germany, then Sweden, and Switzerland. I have got temples there. In Germany we have got four temples. In Sweden we have got. In Switzerland we have got. France we have got. In England we have got four, five.

	Reporter (9): No government is placing obstacles?		'''Reporter (9):''' No government is placing obstacles?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, they receive it very nicely. They understand that, "Swāmījī is doing something nice."		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, they receive it very nicely. They understand that, "Swāmījī is doing something nice."

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	So there is very good demand for this culture, but unfortunately we give some rubbish things, and they come. Sometimes they go, that he becomes himself God. What is this nonsense? God is so cheap? So they have been frustrated, and our people go and still more frustrate them by giving some cheating type of . . . but here ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is very simple. There is no need of great education. What is the difficulty to understand? If Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]), where is the difficulty? "You always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me, offer My obeisances." ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]): "Divide the society in four classes of men." ''Annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]): "You just produce sufficient food grains and eat sufficiently. Be strong. Perform ''yajña''." Where is the difficulty to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		So there is very good demand for this culture, but unfortunately we give some rubbish things, and they come. Sometimes they go, that he becomes himself God. What is this nonsense? God is so cheap? So they have been frustrated, and our people go and still more frustrate them by giving some cheating type of . . . but here ''Bhagavad-gītā'' is very simple. There is no need of great education. What is the difficulty to understand? If Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]), where is the difficulty? "You always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me, offer My obeisances." ''Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]): "Divide the society in four classes of men." ''Annād bhavanti bhūtāni'' ([[BG 3.14 (1972)\|BG 3.14]]): "You just produce sufficient food grains and eat sufficiently. Be strong. Perform ''yajña''." Where is the difficulty to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

	Reporter (5): Do you think the Russian society is not put it off by this ''bhajana''?		'''Reporter (5):''' Do you think the Russian society is not put it off by this ''bhajana''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Russian?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Russian?

	Reporter (5): Society.		'''Reporter (5):''' Society.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not know Russian society, but I can say I have been in Moscow. The people are not happy. That I can say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not know Russian society, but I can say I have been in Moscow. The people are not happy. That I can say.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not wish to speak of any particular government. But generally, everywhere the government is not very good. Even in America the president is not liked.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not wish to speak of any particular government. But generally, everywhere the government is not very good. Even in America the president is not liked.

	Reporter (5): Swāmījī, India is supposed to be a land of spirituality.		'''Reporter (5):''' Swāmījī, India is supposed to be a land of spirituality.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Reporter (5): How is it that there is so much moral degradation in our country?		'''Reporter (5):''' How is it that there is so much moral degradation in our country?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Because you did not lead them. You did not teach them spiritual books. You allowed them to read Communist books.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Because you did not lead them. You did not teach them spiritual books. You allowed them to read Communist books.

	Reporter (5): Is it the failure of our spiritual leaders?		'''Reporter (5):''' Is it the failure of our spiritual leaders?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is a spiritual leader? First of all we have to think . . . if the businessman is not spiritual leader . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where is a spiritual leader? First of all we have to think . . . if the businessman is not spiritual leader . . .

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, upon this, what I have already stated, you can . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, upon this, what I have already stated, you can . . .

	Reporter (1): Since you are following ''Bhagavad-gītā'', do you believe in ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy?		'''Reporter (1):''' Since you are following ''Bhagavad-gītā'', do you believe in ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, first of all try to understand what is written in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Then you try to understand the philosophy. It is simple thing. Kṛṣṇa says that ''annād bhavanti parjanyāt''. So there is no need of ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy. You require ''anna'' to maintain the animals and living man. Practically. ''Dvaita'' philosophy and ''advaita'' philosophy, this is controversial. But even though we agree to ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy, the question of food grain will be required, either you become ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, first of all try to understand what is written in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Then you try to understand the philosophy. It is simple thing. Kṛṣṇa says that ''annād bhavanti parjanyāt''. So there is no need of ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy. You require ''anna'' to maintain the animals and living man. Practically. ''Dvaita'' philosophy and ''advaita'' philosophy, this is controversial. But even though we agree to ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy, the question of food grain will be required, either you become ''dvaita'' philosophy or ''advaita'' philosophy.

	Reporter (1): Sorry, what I mean to say is do you believe that the soul and God is one, as Rāmānuja and Śaṅkarācārya says, or as Madhvācārya says . . .		'''Reporter (1):''' Sorry, what I mean to say is do you believe that the soul and God is one, as Rāmānuja and Śaṅkarācārya says, or as Madhvācārya says . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We are speaking from the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. What Śaṅkarācārya says, what Rāmānujācārya says, that we shall consider there. You try to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. Bhagavān says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So ''dehinaḥ'' means the possessor of the body, the owner of the body. That is the soul. So that you cannot deny, either you follow Śaṅkarācārya or Rāmānujācārya. There is soul within the body. This is ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says. ''Dehino 'smin, asmin dehe.'' Just like I was a child, I remember; you remember also. So that body is now gone. But I have got a different body, you have got a different body. But I am existing. So I am ''dehinaḥ, dehī'', and my body is ''deha''. So ''deha-dehī'', there must be distinction. The body is not the owner. I am the owner. Just like I am sitting within this room; I am not this room. Similarly, I am sitting within this body, you are sitting within your body. So you are not body. This is called illusion.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We are speaking from the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. What Śaṅkarācārya says, what Rāmānujācārya says, that we shall consider there. You try to understand ''Bhagavad-gītā'' as it is. Bhagavān says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' that ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So ''dehinaḥ'' means the possessor of the body, the owner of the body. That is the soul. So that you cannot deny, either you follow Śaṅkarācārya or Rāmānujācārya. There is soul within the body. This is ''Bhagavad-gītā'' says. ''Dehino 'smin, asmin dehe.'' Just like I was a child, I remember; you remember also. So that body is now gone. But I have got a different body, you have got a different body. But I am existing. So I am ''dehinaḥ, dehī'', and my body is ''deha''. So ''deha-dehī'', there must be distinction. The body is not the owner. I am the owner. Just like I am sitting within this room; I am not this room. Similarly, I am sitting within this body, you are sitting within your body. So you are not body. This is called illusion.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not know Russian society, but I can say I have been in Moscow. The people are not happy. That I can say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I do not know Russian society, but I can say I have been in Moscow. The people are not happy. That I can say.

	Reporter (1): How many of your disciples would have seen the vision of God in the sense of seeing the Lord's image in their heart?		'''Reporter (1):''' How many of your disciples would have seen the vision of God in the sense of seeing the Lord's image in their heart?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the mean, that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the mean, that?

	Reporter (1): How many of your disciples would have seen the vision of God . . .		'''Reporter (1):''' How many of your disciples would have seen the vision of God . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Vision of God you can see also. Here is vision of God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Vision of God you can see also. Here is vision of God.

	Reporter (1): In the sense of seeing Lord in their own heart?		'''Reporter (1):''' In the sense of seeing Lord in their own heart?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. That is, of course, later on. First of all see here is God, vision of God. Everyone can see. It is public. Why you ask my disciples? You can see also. No, no. Just like, vision of God, here is Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. That is, of course, later on. First of all see here is God, vision of God. Everyone can see. It is public. Why you ask my disciples? You can see also. No, no. Just like, vision of God, here is Kṛṣṇa.

	Reporter (1): That is physical vision.		'''Reporter (1):''' That is physical vision.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all. Physical means vision; your vision is also physical. Your vision is not spiritual. Whatever you see with your eyes, that is physical. That is not anything beyond physical.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all. Physical means vision; your vision is also physical. Your vision is not spiritual. Whatever you see with your eyes, that is physical. That is not anything beyond physical.

	Reporter (1): See with spiritual eyes.		'''Reporter (1):''' See with spiritual eyes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Spiritual eyes, that's all right. But first of all you have to see whatever eyes you have got. You have got physical eyes. Why you are talking of spiritual eyes?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Spiritual eyes, that's all right. But first of all you have to see whatever eyes you have got. You have got physical eyes. Why you are talking of spiritual eyes?

	Reporter (1): Well, sir, that only, we are, all these things would learn that spiritual eyes.		'''Reporter (1):''' Well, sir, that only, we are, all these things would learn that spiritual eyes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That you will learn. That is stated in the ''śāstra. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti'' (Bs. 5.38). When you develop love for God, then you can have that spiritual eyes. ''Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva''. He sees everywhere, always. ''Santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilo'' . . . that you have to develop that position. Immediately you cannot do that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That you will learn. That is stated in the ''śāstra. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti'' (Bs. 5.38). When you develop love for God, then you can have that spiritual eyes. ''Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva''. He sees everywhere, always. ''Santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilo'' . . . that you have to develop that position. Immediately you cannot do that.

	Reporter (1): I don't say that . . .		'''Reporter (1):''' I don't say that . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, immediately you have to see physically. Then gradually, when by offering service you develop your dormant love for God, then you can see the spiritual. It is not immediately or for everyone. So you have to wait for that position.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, immediately you have to see physically. Then gradually, when by offering service you develop your dormant love for God, then you can see the spiritual. It is not immediately or for everyone. So you have to wait for that position.