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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Not same thing. When you describe . . . music, when you compose music about God, that is your perfection.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Not same thing. When you describe . . . music, when you compose music about God, that is your perfection.

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Absolutely. That is your purpose of life. And when you work in the land, that is your purpose. Yes, that's understandable. . . . (indistinct)		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Absolutely. That is your purpose of life. And when you work in the land, that is your purpose. Yes, that's understandable . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

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	Yogeśvara: (reading from [[BG 13.22 (1972)\|Bhagavad-gītā 13.22 purport]]) "It is explained in the Second Chapter that the living entity is transmigrating from one body to another just as one changes dress. This change of dress is due to his attachment to material existence. As long as he is captivated by this false manifestation, he has to continue transmigrating from one body to another. Due to his desire to lord over material nature, he is put into such undesirable circumstances. Under the influence of material desire, the entity is born sometimes as a demigod, sometimes as a man, sometimes as a beast, as a bird, as a worm, as an aquatic, as a saintly man, as a bug. This is going on. And in all cases the living entity thinks himself to be the master of his circumstances, yet he is under the influence of material nature."		'''Yogeśvara:''' (reading from [[BG 13.22 (1972)\|Bhagavad-gītā 13.22 purport]]) "It is explained in the Second Chapter that the living entity is transmigrating from one body to another just as one changes dress. This change of dress is due to his attachment to material existence. As long as he is captivated by this false manifestation, he has to continue transmigrating from one body to another. Due to his desire to lord over material nature, he is put into such undesirable circumstances. Under the influence of material desire, the entity is born sometimes as a demigod, sometimes as a man, sometimes as a beast, as a bird, as a worm, as an aquatic, as a saintly man, as a bug. This is going on. And in all cases the living entity thinks himself to be the master of his circumstances, yet he is under the influence of material nature."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is our . . . because we are developing a different consciousness . . . different . . . consciousness is one, but it is being colored under different circumstances. And therefore we have to accept a similar type of body. So if our consciousness is cleansed, then we do not undergo the circumstantial changes by different species of life. That is required. In the human form of life we can do that—not to associate with the modes of material nature, but associate with God. That we can do. And if we associate with God, then we become liberated from the clutches of ''māyā''. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). And our real business is how to get out of the clutches of ''māyā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is our . . . because we are developing a different consciousness . . . different . . . consciousness is one, but it is being colored under different circumstances. And therefore we have to accept a similar type of body. So if our consciousness is cleansed, then we do not undergo the circumstantial changes by different species of life. That is required. In the human form of life we can do that—not to associate with the modes of material nature, but associate with God. That we can do. And if we associate with God, then we become liberated from the clutches of ''māyā''. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). And our real business is how to get out of the clutches of ''māyā''.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?

	Yogeśvara: I can't read it.		'''Yogeśvara:''' I can't read it.

	'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra, so 'ham, sat-nāma.''		'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra, so 'ham, sat-nāma.''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Some of the books, you can show him. Here is one book, ''Bhagavad-gītā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Some of the books, you can show him. Here is one book, ''Bhagavad-gītā''.

	Yogeśvara: You have seen the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', haven't you, in English?		'''Yogeśvara:''' You have seen the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', haven't you, in English?

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Oh, yes, but not this particular edition.		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Oh, yes, but not this particular edition.

	Yogeśvara: This we just recently published in German, a German edition.		'''Yogeśvara:''' This we just recently published in German, a German edition.

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' A German edition . . . (indistinct) . . . who has published them?		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' A German edition . . . (indistinct) . . . who has published them?

	Yogeśvara: This was published in Germany. I don't remember the name of the publisher. This is Macmillan Company, and this is the life of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who began the chanting.		'''Yogeśvara:''' This was published in Germany. I don't remember the name of the publisher. This is Macmillan Company, and this is the life of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who began the chanting.

	'''Bhagavān:''' All these books are illustrated by our artists in New York.		'''Bhagavān:''' All these books are illustrated by our artists in New York.
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	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Never takes bath?		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Never takes bath?

	Yogeśvara: Birth.		'''Yogeśvara:''' Birth.

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Oh, never takes birth, true. But immortality, I mean, actuality, of course, has to do with the actuality of the situation that we have right now, with you sitting there and we, as friends, sitting with you and engaging in the gentle art of conversation.		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Oh, never takes birth, true. But immortality, I mean, actuality, of course, has to do with the actuality of the situation that we have right now, with you sitting there and we, as friends, sitting with you and engaging in the gentle art of conversation.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But it can be avoided in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like the leaf of lily. It is in the water but it does not touches the water.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But it can be avoided in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like the leaf of lily. It is in the water but it does not touches the water.

	Yogeśvara: Did you understand?		'''Yogeśvara:''' Did you understand?

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I didn't catch that last expression, no.		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I didn't catch that last expression, no.
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	'''Bhagavān:''' Lily leaf.		'''Bhagavān:''' Lily leaf.

	Yogeśvara: To show how we can live in this world but still be transcendental.		'''Yogeśvara:''' To show how we can live in this world but still be transcendental.

	'''Bhagavān:''' There's a lily leaf that sits on the water, and even though it sits on the water it doesn't get wet.		'''Bhagavān:''' There's a lily leaf that sits on the water, and even though it sits on the water it doesn't get wet.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that, salt? Salt example was . . . explain.		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that, salt? Salt example was . . . explain.

	Yogeśvara: What was your point?		'''Yogeśvara:''' What was your point?

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I'm saying it's difficult to argue about one kind of situation in terms of another kind of situation when the nature of the problem or the nature of the result is different, you know.		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I'm saying it's difficult to argue about one kind of situation in terms of another kind of situation when the nature of the problem or the nature of the result is different, you know.
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	'''Bhagavān:''' It's here in Rome.		'''Bhagavān:''' It's here in Rome.

	Yogeśvara: It's a school in Rome.		'''Yogeśvara:''' It's a school in Rome.

	'''Michael Robert:''' If you'd like to come. (indistinct comments about the school)		'''Michael Robert:''' If you'd like to come. (indistinct comments about the school)

	Yogeśvara: An American school here in Rome.		'''Yogeśvara:''' An American school here in Rome.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. They want me to go there? Yes, I will go.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh. They want me to go there? Yes, I will go.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Yogeśvara: Thank you very much.		'''Yogeśvara:''' Thank you very much.

	'''Michael Robert:''' Thank you very much. Thank you all.		'''Michael Robert:''' Thank you very much. Thank you all.
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	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I know that. I'm aware about that. And when you come in from working on the land and you are eating your dinner, you must do it with the same involvement as you worked the land with, if that is your purpose of . . . (indistinct)		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' I know that. I'm aware about that. And when you come in from working on the land and you are eating your dinner, you must do it with the same involvement as you worked the land with, if that is your purpose of . . . (indistinct)

	Yogeśvara: You could say, with the same consciousness.		'''Yogeśvara:''' You could say, with the same consciousness.

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Yes, with the same consciousness, with the same dedication, with the same . . .		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' Yes, with the same consciousness, with the same dedication, with the same . . .

	Yogeśvara: Devotion.		'''Yogeśvara:''' Devotion.

	'''Desmond O'Grady:''' . . . devotion. Absolutely. And when there's supposed to be singing, the same way; enjoying yourself the same way; and when you're relaxing, you've got to do it with the same devotion, absolutely. No question about it. Otherwise you're being irresponsible. (pause)		'''Desmond O'Grady:''' . . . devotion. Absolutely. And when there's supposed to be singing, the same way; enjoying yourself the same way; and when you're relaxing, you've got to do it with the same devotion, absolutely. No question about it. Otherwise you're being irresponsible. (pause)

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	'''Bhagavān:''' Oh, yes, they are beautiful.		'''Bhagavān:''' Oh, yes, they are beautiful.

	Robert Jackson: Some fantastic work. I've been looking at . . . when you came to the house . . .		'''Robert Jackson:''' Some fantastic work. I've been looking at . . . when you came to the house . . .

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I never went to Greece.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I never went to Greece.

	Satsvarūpa: You said you went to the airport and they were chanting.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' You said you went to the airport and they were chanting.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

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	:([[BG 14.26 (1972)\|BG 14.26]])		:([[BG 14.26 (1972)\|BG 14.26]])

	Nitāi: Yes, 14.26.		'''Nitāi:''' Yes, 14.26.

	:''māṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa''		:''māṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Purport.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Purport.

	Nitāi: "This verse is a reply to Arjuna's third question, what is the means of attaining to the transcendental position? As explained before, the material world is acting under the spell of the modes of material nature. One should not be disturbed by the activities of the modes of nature. Instead of putting his consciousness into such activities, he may transfer his consciousness to Kṛṣṇa activities. Kṛṣṇa activities are known as ''bhakti-yoga''—always acting for Kṛṣṇa. This includes not only Kṛṣṇa, but His different plenary expansions such as Rāma and Nārāyaṇa. He has innumerable expansions. One who is engaged in the service of any of the forms of Kṛṣṇa or of His plenary expansions is considered to be transcendentally situated. One should also note that all the forms of Kṛṣṇa are fully transcendental, blissful, full of knowledge and eternal. Such personalities of Godhead are omnipotent and omniscient, and they possess all transcendental qualities. So if one engages himself in the service of Kṛṣṇa or His plenary expansions with unfailing determination, although these modes of material nature are very difficult to overcome, he can overcome them easily."		'''Nitāi:''' "This verse is a reply to Arjuna's third question, what is the means of attaining to the transcendental position? As explained before, the material world is acting under the spell of the modes of material nature. One should not be disturbed by the activities of the modes of nature. Instead of putting his consciousness into such activities, he may transfer his consciousness to Kṛṣṇa activities. Kṛṣṇa activities are known as ''bhakti-yoga''—always acting for Kṛṣṇa. This includes not only Kṛṣṇa, but His different plenary expansions such as Rāma and Nārāyaṇa. He has innumerable expansions. One who is engaged in the service of any of the forms of Kṛṣṇa or of His plenary expansions is considered to be transcendentally situated. One should also note that all the forms of Kṛṣṇa are fully transcendental, blissful, full of knowledge and eternal. Such personalities of Godhead are omnipotent and omniscient, and they possess all transcendental qualities. So if one engages himself in the service of Kṛṣṇa or His plenary expansions with unfailing determination, although these modes of material nature are very difficult to overcome, he can overcome them easily."

	"This is already explained in the Seventh Chapter. One who surrenders unto Kṛṣṇa at once surmounts the influence of the modes of material nature. To be in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or in devotional service, means to acquire the equality of Kṛṣṇa. The Lord says that His nature is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge, and the living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme, as gold particles are part of a gold mine. Thus the living entity's spiritual position is as good as gold, as good as Kṛṣṇa in quality. The difference of individuality continues; otherwise there is no question of ''bhakti-yoga''. ''Bhakti-yoga'' means that the Lord is there, the devotee is there and the activity of exchange of love between the Lord and the devotee is there. Therefore the individuality of two persons is present in the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the individual person, otherwise there is no meaning to ''bhakti-yoga''. If one is not situated in the same transcendental position with the Lord, one cannot serve the Supreme Lord. To be a personal assistant to a king, one must acquire the qualifications. Thus the qualification is to become Brahman, or freed from all material contamination. It is said in the Vedic literature, ''brahmaiva san brahmāpyeti''. One can attain the Supreme Brahman by becoming Brahman. This means that one must qualitatively become one with Brahman. By attainment of Brahman, one does not lose his eternal Brahman identity as the individual soul."		"This is already explained in the Seventh Chapter. One who surrenders unto Kṛṣṇa at once surmounts the influence of the modes of material nature. To be in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or in devotional service, means to acquire the equality of Kṛṣṇa. The Lord says that His nature is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge, and the living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme, as gold particles are part of a gold mine. Thus the living entity's spiritual position is as good as gold, as good as Kṛṣṇa in quality. The difference of individuality continues; otherwise there is no question of ''bhakti-yoga''. ''Bhakti-yoga'' means that the Lord is there, the devotee is there and the activity of exchange of love between the Lord and the devotee is there. Therefore the individuality of two persons is present in the Supreme Personality of Godhead and the individual person, otherwise there is no meaning to ''bhakti-yoga''. If one is not situated in the same transcendental position with the Lord, one cannot serve the Supreme Lord. To be a personal assistant to a king, one must acquire the qualifications. Thus the qualification is to become Brahman, or freed from all material contamination. It is said in the Vedic literature, ''brahmaiva san brahmāpyeti''. One can attain the Supreme Brahman by becoming Brahman. This means that one must qualitatively become one with Brahman. By attainment of Brahman, one does not lose his eternal Brahman identity as the individual soul."
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, name must be there. But name . . . just like you are feeling as Irishman, but your name may be different from another Irishman. How do you feel that, "We are all Irishmen"? The name may be different. That doesn't matter. But the quality can be one. That is required. So when acquires that quality, Kṛṣṇaite quality, that in spite of different names . . . that is called ''so 'ham''. One feels . . . the same example: in a nation, in a group, the names may be different, but because they feel nationally or religiously one, so that is one. Varieties. Varieties may be different, but the object being one, that is oneness. What is that, ''brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, name must be there. But name . . . just like you are feeling as Irishman, but your name may be different from another Irishman. How do you feel that, "We are all Irishmen"? The name may be different. That doesn't matter. But the quality can be one. That is required. So when acquires that quality, Kṛṣṇaite quality, that in spite of different names . . . that is called ''so 'ham''. One feels . . . the same example: in a nation, in a group, the names may be different, but because they feel nationally or religiously one, so that is one. Varieties. Varieties may be different, but the object being one, that is oneness. What is that, ''brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā''?

	Nitāi:		'''Nitāi:'''

	:''brahmā-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā''		:''brahmā-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He gets equality, attains equality position. Yes. Purport?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He gets equality, attains equality position. Yes. Purport?

	Nitāi: "To the impersonalist, achieving the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, becoming one with the Absolute, is the last word. But for the personalist, or the pure devotee, one has to go still further to become engaged in pure devotional service. This means that one who is engaged in pure devotional service to the Supreme Lord is already in a state of liberation, called ''brahma-bhūta'', oneness with the Absolute. Without being one with the Supreme, the Absolute, one cannot render service unto Him. In the absolute conception, there is no difference between the served and the servitor; yet the distinction is there in a higher, spiritual sense."		'''Nitāi:''' "To the impersonalist, achieving the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, becoming one with the Absolute, is the last word. But for the personalist, or the pure devotee, one has to go still further to become engaged in pure devotional service. This means that one who is engaged in pure devotional service to the Supreme Lord is already in a state of liberation, called ''brahma-bhūta'', oneness with the Absolute. Without being one with the Supreme, the Absolute, one cannot render service unto Him. In the absolute conception, there is no difference between the served and the servitor; yet the distinction is there in a higher, spiritual sense."

	"In the material concept of life, when one works for sense gratification, there is misery, but in the absolute world, when one is engaged in pure devotional service, there is no misery. The devotee in Kṛṣṇa consciousness has nothing to lament or desire. Since God is full, a living entity who is engaged in God's service, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes also full in himself. He is just like a river cleansed of all dirty water. Because a pure devotee has no thought other than Kṛṣṇa, he is naturally always joyful. He does not lament for any material loss or gain because he is full in service of the Lord. He has no desire for material enjoyment because he knows that every living entity is the fragmental part and parcel of the Supreme Lord and therefore eternally a servant. He does not see, in the material world, someone as higher and someone as lower; higher and lower positions are ephemeral, and a devotee has nothing to do with the ephemeral appearances or disappearances. For him, stone and gold are of equal value. This is the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, and this stage is attained very easily by the pure devotee. In that stage of existence, the idea of becoming one with the Supreme Brahman and annihilating one's individuality becomes hellish, and the idea of attaining the heavenly kingdom becomes phantasmagoria, and the senses are like the broken serpents' teeth. As there is no fear of a serpent with broken teeth, so there is no fear from the senses when they are automatically controlled. The world is miserable for the materially infected person, but for a devotee the entire world is as good as Vaikuṇṭha, or the spiritual sky. The highest personality in this material universe is no more significant than an ant for a devotee. Such a stage can be achieved by the mercy of Lord Caitanya, who preached pure devotional service in this age."		"In the material concept of life, when one works for sense gratification, there is misery, but in the absolute world, when one is engaged in pure devotional service, there is no misery. The devotee in Kṛṣṇa consciousness has nothing to lament or desire. Since God is full, a living entity who is engaged in God's service, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes also full in himself. He is just like a river cleansed of all dirty water. Because a pure devotee has no thought other than Kṛṣṇa, he is naturally always joyful. He does not lament for any material loss or gain because he is full in service of the Lord. He has no desire for material enjoyment because he knows that every living entity is the fragmental part and parcel of the Supreme Lord and therefore eternally a servant. He does not see, in the material world, someone as higher and someone as lower; higher and lower positions are ephemeral, and a devotee has nothing to do with the ephemeral appearances or disappearances. For him, stone and gold are of equal value. This is the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, and this stage is attained very easily by the pure devotee. In that stage of existence, the idea of becoming one with the Supreme Brahman and annihilating one's individuality becomes hellish, and the idea of attaining the heavenly kingdom becomes phantasmagoria, and the senses are like the broken serpents' teeth. As there is no fear of a serpent with broken teeth, so there is no fear from the senses when they are automatically controlled. The world is miserable for the materially infected person, but for a devotee the entire world is as good as Vaikuṇṭha, or the spiritual sky. The highest personality in this material universe is no more significant than an ant for a devotee. Such a stage can be achieved by the mercy of Lord Caitanya, who preached pure devotional service in this age."
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	Desmond O'Grady: Could you read the opening little bit again?		Desmond O'Grady: Could you read the opening little bit again?

	Nitāi: In the purport?		'''Nitāi:''' In the purport?

	Desmond O'Grady: Yeah.		Desmond O'Grady: Yeah.

	Nitāi: "To the impersonalist, achieving the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, becoming one with the Absolute, is the last word."		'''Nitāi:''' "To the impersonalist, achieving the ''brahma-bhūta'' stage, becoming one with the Absolute, is the last word."

	Desmond O'Grady: Okay. Now, is the Absolute internal or external?		Desmond O'Grady: Okay. Now, is the Absolute internal or external?
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	(aside) Find out this verse.		(aside) Find out this verse.

	Nitāi: Chapter Four, text nine:		'''Nitāi:''' Chapter Four, text nine:

	:''janma karma ca me divyam''		:''janma karma ca me divyam''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That is the polluted conception. Actually you are immortal; you do not die. That is your position. (aside) Read this verse.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That is the polluted conception. Actually you are immortal; you do not die. That is your position. (aside) Read this verse.

	Nitāi:		'''Nitāi:'''

	:''na jāyate mriyate va kadācin''		:''na jāyate mriyate va kadācin''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Therefore the ''Vedas'' say, ''tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet'' (MU 1.2.12). ''Abhigacchet'' means "he must." It is not possible alone. This word, this ''abhigacchet'', this verb, is used in Sanskrit grammar. This is called ''vidhiliṅ'' form of verb. So ''vidhiliṅ'' form of verb is used when there is a . . . matter is a must. ''Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet, samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyam''. And that is the Vedic version. Therefore . . . you have read ''Bhagavad-gītā''. You will find Arjuna was talking with Kṛṣṇa. Then, when the things were not solved, perplexed, Arjuna surrendered himself, ''śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam.'' (aside) Find out this verse.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Therefore the ''Vedas'' say, ''tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet'' (MU 1.2.12). ''Abhigacchet'' means "he must." It is not possible alone. This word, this ''abhigacchet'', this verb, is used in Sanskrit grammar. This is called ''vidhiliṅ'' form of verb. So ''vidhiliṅ'' form of verb is used when there is a . . . matter is a must. ''Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet, samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyam''. And that is the Vedic version. Therefore . . . you have read ''Bhagavad-gītā''. You will find Arjuna was talking with Kṛṣṇa. Then, when the things were not solved, perplexed, Arjuna surrendered himself, ''śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam.'' (aside) Find out this verse.

	Nitāi: Text seven.		'''Nitāi:''' Text seven.

	:''kārpaṇya-doṣopahata-svabhāvaḥ''		:''kārpaṇya-doṣopahata-svabhāvaḥ''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then . . .

	Nitāi: ". . . and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am . . ."		'''Nitāi:''' ". . . and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am . . ."

	Desmond O'Grady: This duty, this duty, is this duty to the self or duty to others or duty to the state?		Desmond O'Grady: This duty, this duty, is this duty to the self or duty to others or duty to the state?
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	All our questions are answered in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' very nicely.		All our questions are answered in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' very nicely.

	Nitāi:		'''Nitāi:'''

	:''īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ''		:''īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ''

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	Kirpal Singh disciple: ''Sat-nāma''. Those five names, according to your way and its positions, you will be attracted to one of the names. Everyone is a center of power, energy, the way he taught us. Whatever you fear . . . (indistinct) . . . what particular name one . . . someone that you're attracted to that name. ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra'', ''so 'ham and sat-nāma''. I thought that I met a good master.		Kirpal Singh disciple: ''Sat-nāma''. Those five names, according to your way and its positions, you will be attracted to one of the names. Everyone is a center of power, energy, the way he taught us. Whatever you fear . . . (indistinct) . . . what particular name one . . . someone that you're attracted to that name. ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra'', ''so 'ham and sat-nāma''. I thought that I met a good master.

	Dhanañjaya: Mr. O'Grady. Desmond O'Grady and some of his friends have just arrived. They'd like to come and see you and speak with you.		'''Dhanañjaya:''' Mr. O'Grady. Desmond O'Grady and some of his friends have just arrived. They'd like to come and see you and speak with you.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
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	'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' This is the Irish poet. (guests enter)		'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' This is the Irish poet. (guests enter)

	Dhanañjaya: Please sit down.		'''Dhanañjaya:''' Please sit down.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. ''Jaya''. How are you?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. ''Jaya''. How are you?
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	Desmond O'Grady: We are very well and very tired. We've been traveling a long, long way, a long road from Delhi. (indistinct comments as guests enter and settle)		Desmond O'Grady: We are very well and very tired. We've been traveling a long, long way, a long road from Delhi. (indistinct comments as guests enter and settle)

	Dhanañjaya: Desmond is a poet. He's written books also, published in London. And tomorrow he goes to . . . where is it? To Sicily to a convention of poets and writers, international conference for writers and poets. He's representing Ireland. He's coming from Limerick in Southern Ireland.		'''Dhanañjaya:''' Desmond is a poet. He's written books also, published in London. And tomorrow he goes to . . . where is it? To Sicily to a convention of poets and writers, international conference for writers and poets. He's representing Ireland. He's coming from Limerick in Southern Ireland.

	Desmond O'Grady: This is my friend Michael Robert . . . (indistinct) . . . we are colleagues together since we teach literature, English literature. And this is another friend of ours who has just come from Greece. Everybody seems to be traveling within the last twenty-four hours. This is a young painter friend of mine, Robert Jackson, also from Ireland, who's a painter, first time in Italy, out of Ireland, and he's staying with me at the moment. He came back with me from Ireland just a few weeks ago.		Desmond O'Grady: This is my friend Michael Robert . . . (indistinct) . . . we are colleagues together since we teach literature, English literature. And this is another friend of ours who has just come from Greece. Everybody seems to be traveling within the last twenty-four hours. This is a young painter friend of mine, Robert Jackson, also from Ireland, who's a painter, first time in Italy, out of Ireland, and he's staying with me at the moment. He came back with me from Ireland just a few weeks ago.
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	Desmond O'Grady: His Grace must be very tired.		Desmond O'Grady: His Grace must be very tired.

	Dhanañjaya: We can distribute some ''prasādam'' now?		'''Dhanañjaya:''' We can distribute some ''prasādam'' now?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Give them.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Give them.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is our . . . because we are developing a different consciousness . . . different . . . consciousness is one, but it is being colored under different circumstances. And therefore we have to accept a similar type of body. So if our consciousness is cleansed, then we do not undergo the circumstantial changes by different species of life. That is required. In the human form of life we can do that—not to associate with the modes of material nature, but associate with God. That we can do. And if we associate with God, then we become liberated from the clutches of ''māyā''. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). And our real business is how to get out of the clutches of ''māyā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is our . . . because we are developing a different consciousness . . . different . . . consciousness is one, but it is being colored under different circumstances. And therefore we have to accept a similar type of body. So if our consciousness is cleansed, then we do not undergo the circumstantial changes by different species of life. That is required. In the human form of life we can do that—not to associate with the modes of material nature, but associate with God. That we can do. And if we associate with God, then we become liberated from the clutches of ''māyā''. ''Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). And our real business is how to get out of the clutches of ''māyā''.

	Kirpal Singh disciple: Give up this staying here?		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' Give up this staying here?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Kirpal Singh disciple: How?		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' How?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We have to take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because such consciousness will help us to be free from the contamination of these different types of material consciousness and save us from transmigrating from one body to another. So we accept this different association on account of our strong propensity for sense gratification. Therefore we have to purify the senses so that the senses may be engaged in the service of the master of the senses. ''Hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We have to take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because such consciousness will help us to be free from the contamination of these different types of material consciousness and save us from transmigrating from one body to another. So we accept this different association on account of our strong propensity for sense gratification. Therefore we have to purify the senses so that the senses may be engaged in the service of the master of the senses. ''Hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate''.
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	And this purification you can take very easily by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra''. Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra'', Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa—that means immediately associate with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa's name and Kṛṣṇa, nondifferent. So as, if we associate with fire it becomes warm, the quality of the fire comes; as it is materially possible, spiritually it is possible in perfect order. Process is the same. You associate with Kṛṣṇa, and you become Kṛṣṇaite, as pure as Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is therefore advising, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So Kirpal Singh also studies ''Bhagavad-gītā''? I am asking this. Kirpal Singh, he teaches on the ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		And this purification you can take very easily by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra''. Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mahā-mantra'', Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa—that means immediately associate with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa's name and Kṛṣṇa, nondifferent. So as, if we associate with fire it becomes warm, the quality of the fire comes; as it is materially possible, spiritually it is possible in perfect order. Process is the same. You associate with Kṛṣṇa, and you become Kṛṣṇaite, as pure as Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is therefore advising, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]). So Kirpal Singh also studies ''Bhagavad-gītā''? I am asking this. Kirpal Singh, he teaches on the ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

	Kirpal Singh disciple: I didn't get that.		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' I didn't get that.

	'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Your master, does he study ''Bhagavad-gītā''?		'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Your master, does he study ''Bhagavad-gītā''?

	Kirpal Singh disciple: My master is a teacher of the science of the soul.		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' My master is a teacher of the science of the soul.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that, science of the soul?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that, science of the soul?

	Kirpal Singh disciple: Well, just like what you have been saying, purifying the senses and becoming in consciousness through a master, to know a way of purification by not . . . eating properly and thinking properly.		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' Well, just like what you have been saying, purifying the senses and becoming in consciousness through a master, to know a way of purification by not . . . eating properly and thinking properly.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The idea is purify the senses.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The idea is purify the senses.

	Kirpal Singh disciple: And meditating, meditation. Being devoted, your life will be changed. The master teaches these things, purification. He has written also some books. When he came to America in 1967, I met him personally. And he initiated a group of people. And I was also kind of aiming at that, being a vegetarian a few years prior to that. He accepted me and gave me initiation with the group. And, of course, he went back in about . . . he stayed in the States about twelve days, then he came in Europe. Then he went back. I haven't seen him ever since. I have a picture of him. I carry a picture of him, the leader of . . . in our movement. Think of . . . meditating on the master. And I try to live up to it, to the teachings. Would you like to see that picture?		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' And meditating, meditation. Being devoted, your life will be changed. The master teaches these things, purification. He has written also some books. When he came to America in 1967, I met him personally. And he initiated a group of people. And I was also kind of aiming at that, being a vegetarian a few years prior to that. He accepted me and gave me initiation with the group. And, of course, he went back in about . . . he stayed in the States about twelve days, then he came in Europe. Then he went back. I haven't seen him ever since. I have a picture of him. I carry a picture of him, the leader of . . . in our movement. Think of . . . meditating on the master. And I try to live up to it, to the teachings. Would you like to see that picture?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Yes, I have seen this gentleman. In Delhi I have seen him.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Yes, I have seen this gentleman. In Delhi I have seen him.

	Kirpal Singh disciple: In New Delhi. And there are the five names of meditation on the back.		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' In New Delhi. And there are the five names of meditation on the back.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that?
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	'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra, so 'ham, sat-nāma.''		'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra, so 'ham, sat-nāma.''

	Kirpal Singh disciple: ''Sat-nāma''. Those five names, according to your way and its positions, you will be attracted to one of the names. Everyone is a center of power, energy, the way he taught us. Whatever you fear . . . (indistinct) . . . what particular name one . . . someone that you're attracted to that name. ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra'', ''so 'ham and sat-nāma''. I thought that I met a good master.		'''Kirpal Singh disciple:''' ''Sat-nāma''. Those five names, according to your way and its positions, you will be attracted to one of the names. Everyone is a center of power, energy, the way he taught us. Whatever you fear . . . (indistinct) . . . what particular name one . . . someone that you're attracted to that name. ''Nirana, sana, oṁkara, dvāroṁkāra'', ''so 'ham and sat-nāma''. I thought that I met a good master.

	'''Dhanañjaya:''' Mr. O'Grady. Desmond O'Grady and some of his friends have just arrived. They'd like to come and see you and speak with you.		'''Dhanañjaya:''' Mr. O'Grady. Desmond O'Grady and some of his friends have just arrived. They'd like to come and see you and speak with you.

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	'''Bhagavān:''' Stay, we have some ''prasādam'', something to eat.		'''Bhagavān:''' Stay, we have some ''prasādam'', something to eat.

	Michael Robert: We have heard many profound things here this evening, Your Grace, Your Divine Grace, and I believe that this has been the most useful session, and that the poet O'Grady has asked some good questions too. I should like to invite yourself and your followers perhaps to the Overseas School of Rome next Tuesday, if you'd care to come. No doubt your followers who are recording the session so carefully will record the address and the time. Tuesday, at the Overseas School of Rome at 10:00 in the morning, if you'll care to come and . . . (indistinct) . . . our students. They're invited to come.		'''Michael Robert:''' We have heard many profound things here this evening, Your Grace, Your Divine Grace, and I believe that this has been the most useful session, and that the poet O'Grady has asked some good questions too. I should like to invite yourself and your followers perhaps to the Overseas School of Rome next Tuesday, if you'd care to come. No doubt your followers who are recording the session so carefully will record the address and the time. Tuesday, at the Overseas School of Rome at 10:00 in the morning, if you'll care to come and . . . (indistinct) . . . our students. They're invited to come.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is?
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	Yogeśvara: It's a school in Rome.		Yogeśvara: It's a school in Rome.

	Michael Robert: If you'd like to come. (indistinct comments about the school)		'''Michael Robert:''' If you'd like to come. (indistinct comments about the school)

	Yogeśvara: An American school here in Rome.		Yogeśvara: An American school here in Rome.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is my duty to enlighten people about God consciousness.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. It is my duty to enlighten people about God consciousness.

	Michael Robert: God consciousness.		'''Michael Robert:''' God consciousness.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.
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	Yogeśvara: Thank you very much.		Yogeśvara: Thank you very much.

	Michael Robert: Thank you very much. Thank you all.		'''Michael Robert:''' Thank you very much. Thank you all.

	'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Please stay for one minute.		'''Ātreya Ṛṣi:''' Please stay for one minute.
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	Desmond O'Grady: . . . devotion. Absolutely. And when there's supposed to be singing, the same way; enjoying yourself the same way; and when you're relaxing, you've got to do it with the same devotion, absolutely. No question about it. Otherwise you're being irresponsible. (pause)		Desmond O'Grady: . . . devotion. Absolutely. And when there's supposed to be singing, the same way; enjoying yourself the same way; and when you're relaxing, you've got to do it with the same devotion, absolutely. No question about it. Otherwise you're being irresponsible. (pause)

	Michael Robert: We should go now. We should give this man some peace . . . (indistinct) . . . it's very kind to see you, the students on Tuesday. You're not offended I hope, by other teachers, other attitudes.		'''Michael Robert:''' We should go now. We should give this man some peace . . . (indistinct) . . . it's very kind to see you, the students on Tuesday. You're not offended I hope, by other teachers, other attitudes.

	Desmond O'Grady: Thank you very much.		Desmond O'Grady: Thank you very much.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Thank you very much for your coming.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Thank you very much for your coming.

	Michael Robert: We'll see you on Tuesday, hopefully. Goodbye.		'''Michael Robert:''' We'll see you on Tuesday, hopefully. Goodbye.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Alright. ''Jaya''. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (end)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Alright. ''Jaya''. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (end)

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	Yogeśvara: This was published in Germany. I don't remember the name of the publisher. This is Macmillan Company, and this is the life of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who began the chanting.		Yogeśvara: This was published in Germany. I don't remember the name of the publisher. This is Macmillan Company, and this is the life of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who began the chanting.

	Bhagavān: All these books are illustrated by our artists in New York.		'''Bhagavān:''' All these books are illustrated by our artists in New York.

	Desmond O'Grady: They illustrated this?		Desmond O'Grady: They illustrated this?

	Bhagavān: Oh, yes, they are beautiful.		'''Bhagavān:''' Oh, yes, they are beautiful.

	Robert Jackson: Some fantastic work. I've been looking at . . . when you came to the house . . .		Robert Jackson: Some fantastic work. I've been looking at . . . when you came to the house . . .
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	Desmond O'Grady: The text is in . . .		Desmond O'Grady: The text is in . . .

	Bhagavān: There's original text in Bengali. This book is in Bengali.		'''Bhagavān:''' There's original text in Bengali. This book is in Bengali.

	Desmond O'Grady: And Sanskrit.		Desmond O'Grady: And Sanskrit.

	Bhagavān: Sanskrit, which Prabhupāda translates himself and gives the explanation and purport.		'''Bhagavān:''' Sanskrit, which Prabhupāda translates himself and gives the explanation and purport.

	'''Woman:''' . . . (indistinct)		'''Woman:''' . . . (indistinct)

	Bhagavān: (Sanskrit) Every night Śrīla Prabhupāda dictates into a Dictaphone, and his secretaries type and edit. And then we have a press in New York which composes and prints.		'''Bhagavān:''' (Sanskrit) Every night Śrīla Prabhupāda dictates into a Dictaphone, and his secretaries type and edit. And then we have a press in New York which composes and prints.

	Desmond O'Grady: It's a very nice edition, that Macmillan edition. Very nicely done.		Desmond O'Grady: It's a very nice edition, that Macmillan edition. Very nicely done.
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	'''Woman:''' I would think they would be in danger in Athens.		'''Woman:''' I would think they would be in danger in Athens.

	Bhagavān: It is danger.		'''Bhagavān:''' It is danger.

	'''Woman:''' There's no way that this movement could be very successful in Athens or in Greece. Not too many things are successful in Greece.		'''Woman:''' There's no way that this movement could be very successful in Athens or in Greece. Not too many things are successful in Greece.
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	So when we become purified, our senses are purified, and when the purified senses are engaged in the service of the master of the senses, that is perfect life. That is nonduality, absolute.		So when we become purified, our senses are purified, and when the purified senses are engaged in the service of the master of the senses, that is perfect life. That is nonduality, absolute.

	Bhagavān: That can be experienced in the present.		'''Bhagavān:''' That can be experienced in the present.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And practically, you are coming from different groups—Americans, Indians, Africans—but you don't think yourself as American or Indians or African.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And practically, you are coming from different groups—Americans, Indians, Africans—but you don't think yourself as American or Indians or African.
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	Desmond O'Grady: But the system expects that you do.		Desmond O'Grady: But the system expects that you do.

	Bhagavān: The world as it is, the society, the materialistic society, puts these bodily demands . . .		'''Bhagavān:''' The world as it is, the society, the materialistic society, puts these bodily demands . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Yes. The materialistic society means duality.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Yes. The materialistic society means duality.
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	Desmond O'Grady: I didn't catch that last expression, no.		Desmond O'Grady: I didn't catch that last expression, no.

	Bhagavān: Lily leaf.		'''Bhagavān:''' Lily leaf.

	Yogeśvara: To show how we can live in this world but still be transcendental.		Yogeśvara: To show how we can live in this world but still be transcendental.

	Bhagavān: There's a lily leaf that sits on the water, and even though it sits on the water it doesn't get wet.		'''Bhagavān:''' There's a lily leaf that sits on the water, and even though it sits on the water it doesn't get wet.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Bhagavān: Prabhupāda is explaining we can be in this world . . .		'''Bhagavān:''' Prabhupāda is explaining we can be in this world . . .

	Desmond O'Grady: Yes. But I don't think you can explain situations in one realm, in one area, in the terminology of situations in another one, necessarily. Because if you like . . . if put this element and this element together, you get salt. Now, if human nature was the same with that element in that person and that element in that person, you should also get salt. So if you've got fifty million elements and fifty million elements, here you should get a mountain of salt.		Desmond O'Grady: Yes. But I don't think you can explain situations in one realm, in one area, in the terminology of situations in another one, necessarily. Because if you like . . . if put this element and this element together, you get salt. Now, if human nature was the same with that element in that person and that element in that person, you should also get salt. So if you've got fifty million elements and fifty million elements, here you should get a mountain of salt.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Give them.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Give them.

	Bhagavān: Stay, we have some ''prasādam'', something to eat.		'''Bhagavān:''' Stay, we have some ''prasādam'', something to eat.

	Michael Robert: We have heard many profound things here this evening, Your Grace, Your Divine Grace, and I believe that this has been the most useful session, and that the poet O'Grady has asked some good questions too. I should like to invite yourself and your followers perhaps to the Overseas School of Rome next Tuesday, if you'd care to come. No doubt your followers who are recording the session so carefully will record the address and the time. Tuesday, at the Overseas School of Rome at 10:00 in the morning, if you'll care to come and . . . (indistinct) . . . our students. They're invited to come.		Michael Robert: We have heard many profound things here this evening, Your Grace, Your Divine Grace, and I believe that this has been the most useful session, and that the poet O'Grady has asked some good questions too. I should like to invite yourself and your followers perhaps to the Overseas School of Rome next Tuesday, if you'd care to come. No doubt your followers who are recording the session so carefully will record the address and the time. Tuesday, at the Overseas School of Rome at 10:00 in the morning, if you'll care to come and . . . (indistinct) . . . our students. They're invited to come.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is?

	Bhagavān: It's here in Rome.		'''Bhagavān:''' It's here in Rome.

	Yogeśvara: It's a school in Rome.		Yogeśvara: It's a school in Rome.