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	'''Mr. Chenique:''' But we have to have the opinion which we experience.		'''Mr. Chenique:''' But we have to have the opinion which we experience.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that experience? You ask: "Father, give us our daily bread," and that is experience. God is giving everyone maintenance. That is our actual relationship. In the ''Vedas'' also it is said, ''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13). That is the God. God is also a person as you are person, I am person, but He is the chief person. ''Nityo nityānām'', the chief, the Supreme. And in the dictionary it is said Supreme Being. We are all beings, and He is Supreme Being. How He is supreme? ''Eka'', that one; God is one. ''Bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'': He supplies the necessities of everyone's life. That is very good experience, we are getting everything from God. And the Christians also pray, "Give us our daily bread." So I don't find any difference between the statement in the ''Vedas'' and the Bible. God is the Supreme Person, and you make relationship with Him any way—as master and servant, as friend and friend, as father and son, or as husband and wife. So somehow or other we are relative with God, this way or that way. The husband also maintains the wife.		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that experience? You ask: "Father, give us our daily bread," and that is experience. God is giving everyone maintenance. That is our actual relationship. In the ''Vedas'' also it is said, ''nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). That is the God. God is also a person as you are person, I am person, but He is the chief person. ''Nityo nityānām'', the chief, the Supreme. And in the dictionary it is said Supreme Being. We are all beings, and He is Supreme Being. How He is supreme? ''Eka'', that one; God is one. ''Bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'': He supplies the necessities of everyone's life. That is very good experience, we are getting everything from God. And the Christians also pray, "Give us our daily bread." So I don't find any difference between the statement in the ''Vedas'' and the Bible. God is the Supreme Person, and you make relationship with Him any way—as master and servant, as friend and friend, as father and son, or as husband and wife. So somehow or other we are relative with God, this way or that way. The husband also maintains the wife.

	'''Mr. Chenique:''' I don't think so. I mean . . .		'''Mr. Chenique:''' I don't think so. I mean . . .
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	'''Mr. Chenique:''' That's right.		'''Mr. Chenique:''' That's right.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We want to see the quality, not the quantity. So our process is ''paramparā''. Just like in India—you have been in India—there are ''ācāryas'': Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Nimbārka, Viṣṇu Svāmī, Caitanya. If the ''ācārya'' accept, then you accept. This is our process. We don't go the millions; we see the quality. Rāmānujācārya, high quality devotee; Madhvācārya, high quality devotee; Caitanya, high quality devotee. If they say he is God, then we accept. This is our process. We don't see how many millions of followers. No. We want to see the quality man. He says—yes. So Śaṅkarācārya says: "Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead," Rāmānujācārya says: "The Supreme Personality of Godhead," Madhvācārya says: "Supreme," Caitanya says "Supreme," then we accept. That's all. ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ''. Simply by argument we cannot understand the truth. ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā.'' And if you simply consult Vedic literature, that is also not possible. There are different statements. ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā, nāsāv munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). A ''muni'', a saintly person, a philosopher is not a philosopher or ''muni'' if he does not agree with others. He must disagree, then he becomes. So that is also not the way. ''Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām'': it is very confidential. Then how to know? ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''. Big personalities, ''ācāryas''—that is the process. ''Ācāryopāsanam''. What is that, in the Thirteenth Chapter? ''Ācāryopāsanam'': we have to understand through the ''ācāryas''. That is our process. That is recommended in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ'' ([[BG 4.2 (1972)\|BG 4.2]]). We accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead not by our experience but by the experience of the ''acaryas'' who are recognized, and then we follow. Just like Arjuna accepts Kṛṣṇa in the Tenth Chapter. (aside:) Find out, ''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān.'' Read it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We want to see the quality, not the quantity. So our process is ''paramparā''. Just like in India—you have been in India—there are ''ācāryas'': Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Nimbārka, Viṣṇu Svāmī, Caitanya. If the ''ācārya'' accept, then you accept. This is our process. We don't go the millions; we see the quality. Rāmānujācārya, high quality devotee; Madhvācārya, high quality devotee; Caitanya, high quality devotee. If they say he is God, then we accept. This is our process. We don't see how many millions of followers. No. We want to see the quality man. He says—yes. So Śaṅkarācārya says: "Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead," Rāmānujācārya says: "The Supreme Personality of Godhead," Madhvācārya says: "Supreme," Caitanya says "Supreme," then we accept. That's all. ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ''. Simply by argument we cannot understand the truth. ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā.'' And if you simply consult Vedic literature, that is also not possible. There are different statements. ''Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā, nāsāv munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186\|CC Madhya 17.186]]). A ''muni'', a saintly person, a philosopher is not a philosopher or ''muni'' if he does not agree with others. He must disagree, then he becomes. So that is also not the way. ''Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām'': it is very confidential. Then how to know? ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''. Big personalities, ''ācāryas''—that is the process. ''Ācāryopāsanam''. What is that, in the Thirteenth Chapter? ''Ācāryopāsanam'': we have to understand through the ''ācāryas''. That is our process. That is recommended in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ'' ([[BG 4.2 (1972)\|BG 4.2]]). We accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead not by our experience but by the experience of the ''acaryas'' who are recognized, and then we follow. Just like Arjuna accepts Kṛṣṇa in the Tenth Chapter. (aside) Find out, ''paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān.'' Read it.

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	'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)		'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)

	'''Priest:''' Have you got any French literature of conception . . . (indistinct) ~~. . .?~~		'''Priest:''' Have you got any French literature of conception . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes.
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	Either you follow all the nine principles or eight or six or seven, at least one, then you become perfect. That is our preaching. Just like Akrūra, the example is given. Akrūra got perfection simply by offering prayers. So I see when the Christian go to the church, in India I have seen, in Bombay especially, they kneel down and offer prayer. That's very good. We do not say that this is not approved. This is also approved. What is this "Hare Kṛṣṇa"? This is also prayer, our prayer, prayer. Hare Kṛṣṇa, "O Kṛṣṇa, O the energy of Kṛṣṇa, kindly engage me in Your service." This is the meaning of Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is prayer. Repeatedly praying, "My Lord, the energy of Lord, kindly engage me in Your service." This is the meaning of Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''. Just like you go to a mercantile firm with application, "Please give me some service. Give me some service," the same thing, appealing to God and His energy, "Please engage me in Your service." That's it. So that is ''vandana''. So ''vandana'', and Christian also they pray, "O God, give us our daily bread." So this is also good, but it is material, asking something for material satisfaction. And here, "Hare Kṛṣṇa," asking something for satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa, "Engage me in Your service," little advanced. Because God is supplying bread to everyone, even to the cats and dogs.		Either you follow all the nine principles or eight or six or seven, at least one, then you become perfect. That is our preaching. Just like Akrūra, the example is given. Akrūra got perfection simply by offering prayers. So I see when the Christian go to the church, in India I have seen, in Bombay especially, they kneel down and offer prayer. That's very good. We do not say that this is not approved. This is also approved. What is this "Hare Kṛṣṇa"? This is also prayer, our prayer, prayer. Hare Kṛṣṇa, "O Kṛṣṇa, O the energy of Kṛṣṇa, kindly engage me in Your service." This is the meaning of Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is prayer. Repeatedly praying, "My Lord, the energy of Lord, kindly engage me in Your service." This is the meaning of Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra''. Just like you go to a mercantile firm with application, "Please give me some service. Give me some service," the same thing, appealing to God and His energy, "Please engage me in Your service." That's it. So that is ''vandana''. So ''vandana'', and Christian also they pray, "O God, give us our daily bread." So this is also good, but it is material, asking something for material satisfaction. And here, "Hare Kṛṣṇa," asking something for satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa, "Engage me in Your service," little advanced. Because God is supplying bread to everyone, even to the cats and dogs.

	So that is also good, and it is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''ārto arthārthī jñānī ca, catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna, ārtaḥ'' ([[BG 7.16 (1972)\|BG 7.16]]). ''Ārtaḥ'' means distress, ''ārtaḥ'', one who is distressed. "I have no food, sir, my dear Lord. Kindly give me some food." So he is distressed, so he is praying to God because he is pious. The Communists say: "Ah. Why you are praying to God? You pray to us, the government. We shall give you enough bread." The Communist propaganda is like that. They send the people to the church, "So you pray." So they pray. "Have you got bread?" They say: "No, sir." "Now pray to us." Then "Give us, sir," and he gives hundreds of breads. In this way, they are making atheist. Because common man cannot argue, neither they know so much logic. But if there is some intelligent man, he will ask immediately that "Wherefrom you have brought this bread? Who has given you the wheat? That you have not manufactured. That is given by God." So actually God gives, but the Communists take the credit, that "I give." This is the misconception. If God does not supply you . . . ''eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13), He is supplying food for everyone. If He does not supply, then what your bakery machine will do? It is useless.		So that is also good, and it is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''ārto arthārthī jñānī ca, catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna, ārtaḥ'' ([[BG 7.16 (1972)\|BG 7.16]]). ''Ārtaḥ'' means distress, ''ārtaḥ'', one who is distressed. "I have no food, sir, my dear Lord. Kindly give me some food." So he is distressed, so he is praying to God because he is pious. The Communists say: "Ah. Why you are praying to God? You pray to us, the government. We shall give you enough bread." The Communist propaganda is like that. They send the people to the church, "So you pray." So they pray. "Have you got bread?" They say: "No, sir." "Now pray to us." Then "Give us, sir," and he gives hundreds of breads. In this way, they are making atheist. Because common man cannot argue, neither they know so much logic. But if there is some intelligent man, he will ask immediately that "Wherefrom you have brought this bread? Who has given you the wheat? That you have not manufactured. That is given by God." So actually God gives, but the Communists take the credit, that "I give." This is the misconception. If God does not supply you . . . ''eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13), He is supplying food for everyone. If He does not supply, then what your bakery machine will do? It is useless.

	So people have lost the intelligence in the Communist countries. They think that these government men, they have brought the bread, not God. In this way, they are gradually becoming atheist. But the central point is God. We are preaching the central point is God. You call Him by any name, it doesn't matter, either you call Jehovah or Kṛṣṇa or something, Allah, that doesn't matter. But you accept the authority of God and try to love God. This is our mission. And we say God is person. Impersonal feature, that is a feature only. Just like sun-god is a person and the sunshine is one of the feature of the sun-god. The sunshine is not final. You have to penetrate to the sunshine and reach the sun globe and go within the globe and see that there is the sun-god. But that requires strength how to enter into the sun globe and see this. But there is the information in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'': ''imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam, vivasvān manave prāha'' ([[BG 4.1 (1972)\|BG 4.1]]), "I first of all instructed this ''yoga'' system of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' to the sun-god." The sun-god is there in the sun planet, and if you have got strength, you can go there and see. But you cannot go, although it is material. So similarly, in the spiritual world there is the Supreme Spirit, Supreme Being. He is spiritual, concentrated, essence of light. That is ''ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate'' ([[BG 10.8 (1972)\|BG 10.8]]). He is the origin of everything. And He says, ''yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata''. (aside) Find out this verse. Find out. ''Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata, tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham.''		So people have lost the intelligence in the Communist countries. They think that these government men, they have brought the bread, not God. In this way, they are gradually becoming atheist. But the central point is God. We are preaching the central point is God. You call Him by any name, it doesn't matter, either you call Jehovah or Kṛṣṇa or something, Allah, that doesn't matter. But you accept the authority of God and try to love God. This is our mission. And we say God is person. Impersonal feature, that is a feature only. Just like sun-god is a person and the sunshine is one of the feature of the sun-god. The sunshine is not final. You have to penetrate to the sunshine and reach the sun globe and go within the globe and see that there is the sun-god. But that requires strength how to enter into the sun globe and see this. But there is the information in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'': ''imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam, vivasvān manave prāha'' ([[BG 4.1 (1972)\|BG 4.1]]), "I first of all instructed this ''yoga'' system of ''Bhagavad-gītā'' to the sun-god." The sun-god is there in the sun planet, and if you have got strength, you can go there and see. But you cannot go, although it is material. So similarly, in the spiritual world there is the Supreme Spirit, Supreme Being. He is spiritual, concentrated, essence of light. That is ''ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate'' ([[BG 10.8 (1972)\|BG 10.8]]). He is the origin of everything. And He says, ''yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata''. (aside) Find out this verse. Find out. ''Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata, tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham.''
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	"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself."		"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So at least in the human society, everyone must have understanding of God. That is expected. It is not expected in the society of cats and dogs, because they are animals. The human being, ''dharmasya glāniḥ'', there is ''dharma'', some sort of religious system. And religious system means to understand God. That's all. Just like to become a lawyer means to understand the laws of the state. Similarly, religious system means the process by which one can understand God. And that is the summary of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. ''Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.2.6\|SB 1.2.6]]). That is first-class religious system which trains the followers to understand God and love Him. ''Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir, ahaituky apratihatā''. If somebody says: "Oh, it is a very great thing to understand God and to love Him. It is very . . ." they are thinking it is not possible. No. The answer is ''ahaituky apratihatā.'' It can be learned by anyone. It is not checked by any material condition. If one wants to know what is God and to love Him, the path is open for everyone. It does not require high intelligence, high education, high culture. No. Anyone. The process is ''śravaṇam'', the beginning. One has to hear. One may be fool number one, it doesn't matter. No education, it doesn't matter. Poor, doesn't matter. Black, doesn't matter. White, doesn't matter. You try to hear. ''Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ'' ([[SB 3.25.25\|SB 3.25.25]]). Therefore, Vedic injunction is in order to know, go to the bona fide ''guru'' and hear. ''Ādau gurv-āśrayam, sad-dharma pṛcchāt'' (''Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu'' 1.1.74). So even one has no experience, if he goes to the experienced man, experienced person, then you can understand and you can love God, and that is perfection of life. ''Tad viddhi'' . . . (aside) Find out this verse:		'''Prabhupāda:''' So at least in the human society, everyone must have understanding of God. That is expected. It is not expected in the society of cats and dogs, because they are animals. The human being, ''dharmasya glāniḥ'', there is ''dharma'', some sort of religious system. And religious system means to understand God. That's all. Just like to become a lawyer means to understand the laws of the state. Similarly, religious system means the process by which one can understand God. And that is the summary of ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. ''Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.2.6\|SB 1.2.6]]). That is first-class religious system which trains the followers to understand God and love Him. ''Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir, ahaituky apratihatā''. If somebody says: "Oh, it is a very great thing to understand God and to love Him. It is very . . ." they are thinking it is not possible. No. The answer is ''ahaituky apratihatā.'' It can be learned by anyone. It is not checked by any material condition. If one wants to know what is God and to love Him, the path is open for everyone. It does not require high intelligence, high education, high culture. No. Anyone. The process is ''śravaṇam'', the beginning. One has to hear. One may be fool number one, it doesn't matter. No education, it doesn't matter. Poor, doesn't matter. Black, doesn't matter. White, doesn't matter. You try to hear. ''Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ'' ([[SB 3.25.25\|SB 3.25.25]]). Therefore, Vedic injunction is in order to know, go to the bona fide ''guru'' and hear. ''Ādau gurv-āśrayam, sad-dharma pṛcchāt'' (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.74). So even one has no experience, if he goes to the experienced man, experienced person, then you can understand and you can love God, and that is perfection of life. ''Tad viddhi'' . . . (aside) Find out this verse:

	:''tad viddhi praṇipātena''		:''tad viddhi praṇipātena''
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	'''Mr. Chenique:''' Do you know the Sufis are Muslims . . . (indistinct) ~~. . .?~~		'''Mr. Chenique:''' Do you know the Sufis are Muslims . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, we are not talking of any particular Church. We are just trying to understand the word ''relation''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, we are not talking of any particular Church. We are just trying to understand the word ''relation''.

	~~French~~ '''Man:''' . . . (indistinct)		'''French Man:''' . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' If you go to particular church, then another will give another church, another will give another church. But we are trying to understand the word ''relationship''. So in the Bible it is clearly said: "O Father," so the relation is father and son.		'''Prabhupāda:''' If you go to particular church, then another will give another church, another will give another church. But we are trying to understand the word ''relationship''. So in the Bible it is clearly said: "O Father," so the relation is father and son.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān, last stage. First realization impersonal Brahman, then localized Paramātmā, and then Personality of Godhead. (Jyotirmayī translates into French)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān, last stage. First realization impersonal Brahman, then localized Paramātmā, and then Personality of Godhead. (Jyotirmayī translates into French)

	Yogeśvara: Jyotirmayī, perhaps you can explain what Mr. Priest's qualifications are.		'''Yogeśvara:''' Jyotirmayī, perhaps you can explain what Mr. Priest's qualifications are.

	'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yeah, Mr. . . . (indistinct) . . . is a priest, and he has been for a long time in India a Christian priest, and he was very glad to know what you are doing here. Kṛṣṇa consciousness was . . .		'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yeah, Mr. . . . (indistinct) . . . is a priest, and he has been for a long time in India a Christian priest, and he was very glad to know what you are doing here. Kṛṣṇa consciousness was . . .
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	Therefore, it is described in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat'', "There is no more controller beyond that, Me." ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti.'' Nobody. This final controller. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). And in ''Brahma-samhita, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ'' (Bs. 5.1). ''Vigraha'' means form, body. ''Govinda ādi-puruṣam. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam'' (Bs. 5.1), the cause of all causes. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat.''		Therefore, it is described in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat'', "There is no more controller beyond that, Me." ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti.'' Nobody. This final controller. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). And in ''Brahma-samhita, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ'' (Bs. 5.1). ''Vigraha'' means form, body. ''Govinda ādi-puruṣam. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam'' (Bs. 5.1), the cause of all causes. ''Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat.''

	Yogeśvara:		'''Yogeśvara:'''

	:''mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat''		:''mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat''
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	(Prabhupāda tells someone to open window)		(Prabhupāda tells someone to open window)

	Yogeśvara: You can open more.		'''Yogeśvara:''' You can open more.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Open more. Yes. You can open.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Open more. Yes. You can open.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But we are not concerned with the dress; we are concerned with the advancement of spiritual understanding. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But we are not concerned with the dress; we are concerned with the advancement of spiritual understanding. That's all.

	Yogeśvara: Jyotirmayī, is this the guest that was scheduled to come at seven o'clock?		'''Yogeśvara:''' Jyotirmayī, is this the guest that was scheduled to come at seven o'clock?

	'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)		'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Anyway, if one chants Allah or Jesus Christ, we have no objection. We don't say that you stop it. We say that you chant the holy name of God. If that name is of God, you chant. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Anyway, if one chants Allah or Jesus Christ, we have no objection. We don't say that you stop it. We say that you chant the holy name of God. If that name is of God, you chant. That's all.

	Yogeśvara: Yesterday, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you gave the story, I think you said it was from the ''Padma Purāṇa'', about a Muslim who was attacked by a wild boar.		'''Yogeśvara:''' Yesterday, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you gave the story, I think you said it was from the ''Padma Purāṇa'', about a Muslim who was attacked by a wild boar.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Yogeśvara: He was attacked by a wild boar, and the boars for the Muslims are untouchable. So he was saying ''haram, haram'', which means untouchable. And he was killed by that boar, but it was taken by higher authority that he was chanting "''ha rāma''," which means "Where is Lord Rāma?" so he derived liberation. Even unconsciously he was chanting and derived liberation.		'''Yogeśvara:''' He was attacked by a wild boar, and the boars for the Muslims are untouchable. So he was saying ''haram, haram'', which means untouchable. And he was killed by that boar, but it was taken by higher authority that he was chanting "''ha rāma''," which means "Where is Lord Rāma?" so he derived liberation. Even unconsciously he was chanting and derived liberation.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Although he did not mean Rāma, he condemned the boar as ''haram'', "condemned," but the . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Although he did not mean Rāma, he condemned the boar as ''haram'', "condemned," but the . . .

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	Mr. Chenique: Or Śiva. I mean, you see, in the ''Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad'' . . .		Mr. Chenique: Or Śiva. I mean, you see, in the ''Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad'' . . .

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Also in the ''Bhāgavatam, kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya'' . . . ([[SB 12.3.51\|SB 12.3.51]]).		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Also in the ''Bhāgavatam, kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya'' . . . ([[SB 12.3.51\|SB 12.3.51]]).

	Mr. Chenique: I mean, whatever it is. You have got ''bhakti'' also in the Śaivites, all the advanced . . .		Mr. Chenique: I mean, whatever it is. You have got ''bhakti'' also in the Śaivites, all the advanced . . .

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The argument . . . if you say that it is not special, then you will say that you can chant any name.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The argument . . . if you say that it is not special, then you will say that you can chant any name.

	Mr. Chenique: Yes.		Mr. Chenique: Yes.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The idea is that God's name is special, whatever name it is. Not that we eliminate God, saying He's not special. He is special. Whether you call Him by this authorized name or that authorized name, His name is special because it's nondifferent from Him. So not that we should just overlook the name of God because we're overlooking God. We do that, so we have to . . .		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The idea is that God's name is special, whatever name it is. Not that we eliminate God, saying He's not special. He is special. Whether you call Him by this authorized name or that authorized name, His name is special because it's nondifferent from Him. So not that we should just overlook the name of God because we're overlooking God. We do that, so we have to . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Harer nāma'' ([[CC Adi 17.21\|CC Adi 17.21]]). ''Harer nāma'' means God's name.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Harer nāma'' ([[CC Adi 17.21\|CC Adi 17.21]]). ''Harer nāma'' means God's name.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. You have got?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. You have got?

	Satsvarūpa: I think so.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' I think so.

	'''French man:''' (French)		'''French man:''' (French)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I have not said that you dress like that. You like, you dress. Did I say that you do it?		'''Prabhupāda:''' I have not said that you dress like that. You like, you dress. Did I say that you do it?

	Priest: It's like the Indian Catholic priest dressing like a . . . (indistinct) . . . priest or like a European priest. I mean, they look as if they had a disguise with them. I don't know if you have been to . . .		'''Priest:''' It's like the Indian Catholic priest dressing like a . . . (indistinct) . . . priest or like a European priest. I mean, they look as if they had a disguise with them. I don't know if you have been to . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. Just like when the English were ruling, English national. So the Englishmen never said that, "You dress like Englishmen," but they automatically dressed. You know very well. It is like that. The Englishmen, they went there to get some money by trade, by politics. But they never went there to change their dress. But they thought that, "If I dress myself like Englishman, I will be more honored." That is their point. Similarly, we never preach that "You dress like this." But the student, they like this dress. That's all right. What is the wrong there?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. Just like when the English were ruling, English national. So the Englishmen never said that, "You dress like Englishmen," but they automatically dressed. You know very well. It is like that. The Englishmen, they went there to get some money by trade, by politics. But they never went there to change their dress. But they thought that, "If I dress myself like Englishman, I will be more honored." That is their point. Similarly, we never preach that "You dress like this." But the student, they like this dress. That's all right. What is the wrong there?

	Priest: It's not wrong; it's funny.		'''Priest:''' It's not wrong; it's funny.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Rather, these girls, when they dress in Indian way, they look more beautiful. That you will have to admit. Yes. The same girl will dress in your coun . . . way.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Rather, these girls, when they dress in Indian way, they look more beautiful. That you will have to admit. Yes. The same girl will dress in your coun . . . way.

	Priest: That I am . . . (indistinct) . . . for it. (laughs)		'''Priest:''' That I am . . . (indistinct) . . . for it. (laughs)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So the girls, the women, they like to be more beautiful. So if by dressing in other way they look beautiful, why should you ask them not to do it?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So the girls, the women, they like to be more beautiful. So if by dressing in other way they look beautiful, why should you ask them not to do it?

	Priest: Maybe for ladies and girls certainly, but for the ''dhotī'' and . . .		'''Priest:''' Maybe for ladies and girls certainly, but for the ''dhotī'' and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But we are not concerned with the dress; we are concerned with the advancement of spiritual understanding. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But we are not concerned with the dress; we are concerned with the advancement of spiritual understanding. That's all.
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	'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)		'''Jyotirmayī:''' No, he's not here yet . . . (indistinct)

	Priest: Have you got any French literature of conception . . . (indistinct) . . .?		'''Priest:''' Have you got any French literature of conception . . . (indistinct) . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, yes.
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	'''Jyotirmayī:''' He translated the Tukārāma in French.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' He translated the Tukārāma in French.

	Priest: Tukārāma.		'''Priest:''' Tukārāma.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Tukārāma. Tukārāma is great Vaiṣṇava devotee of Maharashtra. His movement was ''saṅkīrtana'' movement.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Tukārāma. Tukārāma is great Vaiṣṇava devotee of Maharashtra. His movement was ''saṅkīrtana'' movement.
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	'''Bhagavān:''' This was southern India? Southern India?		'''Bhagavān:''' This was southern India? Southern India?

	Priest: Maharashtra.		'''Priest:''' Maharashtra.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Maharashtra, yes. Southwest.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Maharashtra, yes. Southwest.

	Priest: For the north it is south and the south it is . . . (indistinct)		'''Priest:''' For the north it is south and the south it is . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (''japa'')		'''Prabhupāda:''' (''japa'')
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now if you think that Jesus Christ's name is also . . . you can chant, we have no objection we have no. We say that you chant the holy name of God, whatever you have got. That's all right.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now if you think that Jesus Christ's name is also . . . you can chant, we have no objection we have no. We say that you chant the holy name of God, whatever you have got. That's all right.

	Priest: And for a Muslim you mean to chant Allah.		'''Priest:''' And for a Muslim you mean to chant Allah.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Priest: Name Kṛṣṇa, Allah, Jesus . . . (indistinct) . . . what is the . . .		'''Priest:''' Name Kṛṣṇa, Allah, Jesus . . . (indistinct) . . . what is the . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Allah, Allah. Allah is not name. That is written . . . it is not the name. It is just like the idea of God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Allah, Allah. Allah is not name. That is written . . . it is not the name. It is just like the idea of God.

	Priest: Yeah.		'''Priest:''' Yeah.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Allah means God, ''īśvara''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Allah means God, ''īśvara''.

	Priest: Allah means also . . . (indistinct)		'''Priest:''' Allah means also . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But that is not the name. That is . . . just like the President and Mr. Nixon. The President may be another person also. Not only Nixon, but another person also may be. So "President" is the general understanding of the post. But still, one who occupies the post, he has got a name.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But that is not the name. That is . . . just like the President and Mr. Nixon. The President may be another person also. Not only Nixon, but another person also may be. So "President" is the general understanding of the post. But still, one who occupies the post, he has got a name.