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	'''Yogeśvara:''' He asks what are our political principles in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Do we have a program?		'''Yogeśvara:''' He asks what are our political principles in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Do we have a program?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Our . . . we have not only political program, but we have got political and economical, intellectual, and ordinary. We think . . . ~~Just~~ like in your body there are four division: the head, the arms, the belly and the leg. So this is complete. Head is the most important division. If you cut your head, then everything finished. Therefore head must be there. Head means first-class intelligent men. And their qualification is stated . . . (aside) Find out, ''śamo damas titikṣā''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Our . . . we have not only political program, but we have got political and economical, intellectual, and ordinary. We think . . . just like in your body there are four division: the head, the arms, the belly and the leg. So this is complete. Head is the most important division. If you cut your head, then everything finished. Therefore head must be there. Head means first-class intelligent men. And their qualification is stated . . . (aside) Find out, ''śamo damas titikṣā''.

	'''Yogeśvara:''' (to Pṛthu-putra) You want to translate?		'''Yogeśvara:''' (to Pṛthu-putra) You want to translate?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' You can export after death. What is the wrong? You can export. Immediately, take the cows after death, take the skin and take the meat also, skin and flesh, and put it into refrigerator and make export. We simply say that until the death of the cow, don't kill. Let us take the milk. That is our appeal only. What is the wrong there?		'''Prabhupāda:''' You can export after death. What is the wrong? You can export. Immediately, take the cows after death, take the skin and take the meat also, skin and flesh, and put it into refrigerator and make export. We simply say that until the death of the cow, don't kill. Let us take the milk. That is our appeal only. What is the wrong there?

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Also, the other day, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were telling us in Geneva that in India it was, at least until the present day, forbidden to eat cows, and that those who would eat animals, they would eat dogs or goats, like this.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Also, the other day, Śrīla Prabhupāda, you were telling us in Geneva that in India it was, at least until the present day, forbidden to eat cows, and that those who would eat animals, they would eat dogs or goats, like this.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We recommend the meat-eaters who eat dogs, as Korea, they're eating dogs, so you can eat also dog. But don't . . . you eat it—after death. We don't say don't eat. You are so much fond of eating. All right, you eat. Because after the death, we have to give somebody, some living entity. So generally, it is given to the vultures. So why to the vultures? Take the civilized men, who are as good as vultures. (laughter) The so-called civilized men. Yes. What is the difference between the vultures and these rascals? The vultures also enjoy a dead body. And they also kill, make it dead and enjoy. They're vultures.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We recommend the meat-eaters who eat dogs, as Korea, they're eating dogs, so you can eat also dog. But don't . . . you eat it—after death. We don't say don't eat. You are so much fond of eating. All right, you eat. Because after the death, we have to give somebody, some living entity. So generally, it is given to the vultures. So why to the vultures? Take the civilized men, who are as good as vultures. (laughter) The so-called civilized men. Yes. What is the difference between the vultures and these rascals? The vultures also enjoy a dead body. And they also kill, make it dead and enjoy. They're vultures.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. These electors are animals, and they elect animals. Just like Nixon, a big animal, and he was elected by other animals. And now there is struggle. (makes barking sound) "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" (laughter) That's all. Is it not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. These electors are animals, and they elect animals. Just like Nixon, a big animal, and he was elected by other animals. And now there is struggle. (makes barking sound) "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" (laughter) That's all. Is it not?

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It's true.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It's true.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He's a big dog, and the small dogs, they elected him. And now there is some trouble, and "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" ''Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ.'' He was praised by some animals. He's an animal, big animal, and he was praised by . . . that is stated here, ''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ''. The so-called leaders, they are animals, and they are praised by other animals, that's all, small animals. This is the civilization. How he is animal? Now, ''na yat-karṇa . . . karṇa-pathet, upeta'' . . .?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He's a big dog, and the small dogs, they elected him. And now there is some trouble, and "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" ''Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ.'' He was praised by some animals. He's an animal, big animal, and he was praised by . . . that is stated here, ''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ''. The so-called leaders, they are animals, and they are praised by other animals, that's all, small animals. This is the civilization. How he is animal? Now, ''na yat-karṇa . . . karṇa-pathet, upeta'' . . .?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: And that is supposed to be the ''brāhmaṇa'' class, too, the professors. They're the educated class of people.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' And that is supposed to be the ''brāhmaṇa'' class, too, the professors. They're the educated class of people.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. They are not ''brāhmin''. Those who give education in exchange of money, they are not ''brāhmins''. Just like we are lecturing, educated, educating people. We don't say that, "Give us salary." We simply ask them, "Please come." Therefore we are making food. "I'll give you food. I'll give you good seat. Please come and hear." We are not asking money that, "First of all pay the fees. Then you come and learn ''Bhagavad-gītā''." We never say so. So those . . . these so-called teachers, they first of all settle up salary, "What salary you'll give me?" That is dog's business. That is not ''brāhmaṇa's'' business. A ''brāhmaṇa'' will never ask. ''Brāhmaṇa'' is eager to give lesson only. That's all. ''Brāhmaṇa'' is eager to see that people are educated. "Take free education and be educated. Be a human being." This is ''brāhmaṇa's'' business. I came here not to ask for any money, but I want to give lesson. This is ''brāhmaṇa's'' business.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no. They are not ''brāhmin''. Those who give education in exchange of money, they are not ''brāhmins''. Just like we are lecturing, educated, educating people. We don't say that, "Give us salary." We simply ask them, "Please come." Therefore we are making food. "I'll give you food. I'll give you good seat. Please come and hear." We are not asking money that, "First of all pay the fees. Then you come and learn ''Bhagavad-gītā''." We never say so. So those . . . these so-called teachers, they first of all settle up salary, "What salary you'll give me?" That is dog's business. That is not ''brāhmaṇa's'' business. A ''brāhmaṇa'' will never ask. ''Brāhmaṇa'' is eager to give lesson only. That's all. ''Brāhmaṇa'' is eager to see that people are educated. "Take free education and be educated. Be a human being." This is ''brāhmaṇa's'' business. I came here not to ask for any money, but I want to give lesson. This is ''brāhmaṇa's'' business.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, this is our proposal, that why you should kill cow? Cow may be protected to take milk, and use this milk for so many nice preparation. Then, so far meat-eating is concerned, so every cow will die. It is a fact. So you wait a few days only. There will be so many dead cows. So you take all the dead cows and eat. So where is the bad proposal? If you say that, "You are restraining us from meat-eating," no, we don't restrain you. We simply request you that "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you eat it."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, this is our proposal, that why you should kill cow? Cow may be protected to take milk, and use this milk for so many nice preparation. Then, so far meat-eating is concerned, so every cow will die. It is a fact. So you wait a few days only. There will be so many dead cows. So you take all the dead cows and eat. So where is the bad proposal? If you say that, "You are restraining us from meat-eating," no, we don't restrain you. We simply request you that "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you eat it."

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, in the Western countries now, the young people, when their parents grow old, they generally send them away to old age homes. So if they have no compassion even towards their own parents, that they would send them away, then how can we educate them to protect the cow, which is just like mother, if they're even willing to practically kill their parents?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Prabhupāda, in the Western countries now, the young people, when their parents grow old, they generally send them away to old age homes. So if they have no compassion even towards their own parents, that they would send them away, then how can we educate them to protect the cow, which is just like mother, if they're even willing to practically kill their parents?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no question of protecting. We shall protect. Simply we ask them that, "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after his death." Where is the wrong?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no question of protecting. We shall protect. Simply we ask them that, "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after his death." Where is the wrong?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Same charge. Same charge. You sit down, eat to your heart's content, be satisfied, and let him also eat. Don't waste. We supply. This is our program. Not that each time . . . that's a in hotel, each time a plate is brought, immediately a bill. Is it not? No. You sit down, eat to your satisfaction, charge is the same.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Same charge. Same charge. You sit down, eat to your heart's content, be satisfied, and let him also eat. Don't waste. We supply. This is our program. Not that each time . . . that's a in hotel, each time a plate is brought, immediately a bill. Is it not? No. You sit down, eat to your satisfaction, charge is the same.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I think they will leave the restaurant with their pockets full of ''samosās''. (laughter)		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' I think they will leave the restaurant with their pockets full of ''samosās''. (laughter)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That we shall not allow. That we shall not allow.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That we shall not allow. That we shall not allow.
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	These people, they do not know. They kill the cows and throw the milk away to the hogs. And they are proud of their civilization. Like jackals and vultures. Actually, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement will transform these uncivilized men to real civilization. Their civilization is now compact in masonry work, collecting stones and bricks and piling them. This much, their civilization. Actually, ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). The explanation I gave this morning. They do not know what is ''ātma-tattvam. Bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). The external feature, material nature, they're interested. These scientists, these philosophers, the man, they're simply interested in the external features. Internally what is important they do not know.		These people, they do not know. They kill the cows and throw the milk away to the hogs. And they are proud of their civilization. Like jackals and vultures. Actually, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement will transform these uncivilized men to real civilization. Their civilization is now compact in masonry work, collecting stones and bricks and piling them. This much, their civilization. Actually, ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). The explanation I gave this morning. They do not know what is ''ātma-tattvam. Bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). The external feature, material nature, they're interested. These scientists, these philosophers, the man, they're simply interested in the external features. Internally what is important they do not know.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: You said, Prabhupāda, about these restaurants, have people come, and invite them and give them everything. They can have wife, they can have family, they can have place to stay, nice food. Simply they have to be civilized.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' You said, Prabhupāda, about these restaurants, have people come, and invite them and give them everything. They can have wife, they can have family, they can have place to stay, nice food. Simply they have to be civilized.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Everything is there.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Everything is there.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We do not deny anything. We simply request, "Be civilized, Kṛṣṇa conscious." And this is practical; everyone is seeing this. We have got ''gṛhasthas, vānaprasthas, brahmacārī, sannyāsī''. We have no such objection.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We do not deny anything. We simply request, "Be civilized, Kṛṣṇa conscious." And this is practical; everyone is seeing this. We have got ''gṛhasthas, vānaprasthas, brahmacārī, sannyāsī''. We have no such objection.
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	'''Satsvarūpa:''' So we can take your leave until then.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' So we can take your leave until then.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ''Jaya''. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. ''Hari-haribol.'' (devotees pay obeisances)		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Jaya''. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. ''Hari-haribol.'' (devotees pay obeisances)

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Should I distribute this to the devotees?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Should I distribute this to the devotees?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks what are we doing for that.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks what are we doing for that.

	'''Nitāi:''' What ways are we doing that?		'''Nitāi:''' What ways are we doing that?

	Pṛthu-putra: In which way, what ways, how?		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' In which way, what ways, how?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This, we are chanting the holy name of Lord so that people may hear, and their hearts be cleansed to understand what is God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This, we are chanting the holy name of Lord so that people may hear, and their hearts be cleansed to understand what is God.
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	Pṛthu-putra: This gentleman ask if the disciples have to give up their religion. If, for example, they are Christian, they have to give up Christianity to be devotee.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' This gentleman ask if the disciples have to give up their religion. If, for example, they are Christian, they have to give up Christianity to be devotee.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, Christianity also, they are trying to understand God, and we are also trying to understand. Not only understand, but we, we are trying others to understand what is God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, Christianity also, they are trying to understand God, and we are also trying to understand. Not only understand, but we, we are trying others to understand what is God.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks if we have temple in French . . . in France, or if we do in apartment or if we do in conference, private conferences. How we are doing it?		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks if we have temple in French . . . in France, or if we do in apartment or if we do in conference, private conferences. How we are doing it?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Any way. We welcome all, all learned men, or leading men, to understand this philosophy. And the book is . . . you show ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (devotees show books) And all other books also show him.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Any way. We welcome all, all learned men, or leading men, to understand this philosophy. And the book is . . . you show ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (devotees show books) And all other books also show him.

	Pṛthu-putra: He already know this.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He already know this.

	M. Mesman: (French)		M. Mesman: (French)
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	Yogeśvara: (to Pṛthu-putra) You want to translate?		Yogeśvara: (to Pṛthu-putra) You want to translate?

	Pṛthu-putra: (translates)		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' (translates)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So there must be four divisions of the society: the first-class men, the second-class men, the third-class men and the rest, fourth class. The first-class men should be self-restrained, control over the senses . . . (aside) Hmm. Read. Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So there must be four divisions of the society: the first-class men, the second-class men, the third-class men and the rest, fourth class. The first-class men should be self-restrained, control over the senses . . . (aside) Hmm. Read. Yes.
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	Yogeśvara: (aside) Would you like to translate?		Yogeśvara: (aside) Would you like to translate?

	Pṛthu-putra: (translates verse)		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' (translates verse)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' With all these qualification, one can become first-class man. They should be the directors, or the brain of the society. The next class . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' With all these qualification, one can become first-class man. They should be the directors, or the brain of the society. The next class . . .
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	'''Bhagavān:''' (correcting translator) "These people should be . . ." Prabhupāda said "these people."		'''Bhagavān:''' (correcting translator) "These people should be . . ." Prabhupāda said "these people."

	Pṛthu-putra: (corrects translation)		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' (corrects translation)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' A class of men, first-class men . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' A class of men, first-class men . . .
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	Pṛthu-putra: He says this concept is against the . . .		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He says this concept is against the . . .

	Yogeśvara: Traditional Western capitalism.		Yogeśvara: Traditional Western capitalism.

	Pṛthu-putra: The traditional Western capitalists.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' The traditional Western capitalists.

	Yogeśvara: It is against capitalism, this idea?		Yogeśvara: It is against capitalism, this idea?
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks what language we use when we read ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and . . .		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks what language we use when we read ''Bhagavad-gītā'' and . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. This is in Sanskrit language, but we translate into different languages.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. This is in Sanskrit language, but we translate into different languages.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks if we have to be disciple, do we have to know Sanskrit or to learn Sanskrit.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks if we have to be disciple, do we have to know Sanskrit or to learn Sanskrit.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Not necessarily. Because it is published in other languages.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Not necessarily. Because it is published in other languages.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks how many disciples there is in France.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks how many disciples there is in France.

	'''Bhagavān:''' Tell him there's hundred devotees, but there's hundreds who come to the temple.		'''Bhagavān:''' Tell him there's hundred devotees, but there's hundreds who come to the temple.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks if the hundreds devotee are all in Paris, or they are a little bit everywhere . . .		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks if the hundreds devotee are all in Paris, or they are a little bit everywhere . . .

	Yogeśvara: Explain there's traveling parties.		Yogeśvara: Explain there's traveling parties.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks if we have a school in France.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks if we have a school in France.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We have got a school in Dallas, America, but we are trying to open a school here, also.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We have got a school in Dallas, America, but we are trying to open a school here, also.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks if you wrote all these books.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He asks if you wrote all these books.

	Yogeśvara: "Did you write all these books?"		Yogeśvara: "Did you write all these books?"
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	'''Bhagavān:''' This you can explain ''prasādam, prasādam''.		'''Bhagavān:''' This you can explain ''prasādam, prasādam''.

	Pṛthu-putra: (explains about ''prasādam'')		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' (explains about ''prasādam'')

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They have learned this preparation, these girls. We have taught them. We are strictly vegetarian. From grains, from milk and sugar, and just two, three things, we require, and we can prepare thousands of preparation out of that. From milk and grains and sugar . . . and? What else?		'''Prabhupāda:''' They have learned this preparation, these girls. We have taught them. We are strictly vegetarian. From grains, from milk and sugar, and just two, three things, we require, and we can prepare thousands of preparation out of that. From milk and grains and sugar . . . and? What else?

	Pṛthu-putra: Fruit, vegetables.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' Fruit, vegetables.

	'''Bhagavān:''' Fruits.		'''Bhagavān:''' Fruits.
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	Pṛthu-putra: He says there is a French . . .		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' He says there is a French . . .

	Yogeśvara: Saying.		Yogeśvara: Saying.

	Pṛthu-putra: A French saying that says: "We don't have to kill the cow's milk."		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' A French saying that says: "We don't have to kill the cow's milk."

	Yogeśvara: "The cow who gives milk."		Yogeśvara: "The cow who gives milk."

	Pṛthu-putra: The cow who gives milk.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' The cow who gives milk.

	Yogeśvara: One should not kill . . . that's a French saying.		Yogeśvara: One should not kill . . . that's a French saying.
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	Yogeśvara: It's a proverb.		Yogeśvara: It's a proverb.

	Pṛthu-putra: Proverb.		'''Pṛthu-putra:''' Proverb.

	Yogeśvara: Saying.		Yogeśvara: Saying.

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	Pṛthu-putra: He asks what are we doing for that.		Pṛthu-putra: He asks what are we doing for that.

	Nitāi: What ways are we doing that?		'''Nitāi:''' What ways are we doing that?

	Pṛthu-putra: In which way, what ways, how?		Pṛthu-putra: In which way, what ways, how?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Teja'' . . . what is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Teja'' . . . what is that?

	Nitāi: It's, uh . . .		'''Nitāi:''' It's, uh . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Teja''. No?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Teja''. No?

	Nitāi: ''Śauryam'' . . .		'''Nitāi:''' ''Śauryam'' . . .

	:''śauryaṁ tejo dhṛtir dākṣyaṁ''		:''śauryaṁ tejo dhṛtir dākṣyaṁ''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Next class, the ''vaiśyas. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' Next class, the ''vaiśyas. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]).

	Nitāi:		'''Nitāi:'''

	:''kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ''		:''kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He's ad . . . she's advanced. (laughter) She's more advanced. That's nice. (laughs) This is going on. Animals, simply animals in a different posture. That's all. Fourth-class, fifth-class men. And they are governing. They are leaders. Then, what is that? ''Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' He's ad . . . she's advanced. (laughter) She's more advanced. That's nice. (laughs) This is going on. Animals, simply animals in a different posture. That's all. Fourth-class, fifth-class men. And they are governing. They are leaders. Then, what is that? ''Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ.''

	Nitāi:		'''Nitāi:'''

	:''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ''		:''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He's a big dog, and the small dogs, they elected him. And now there is some trouble, and "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" ''Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ.'' He was praised by some animals. He's an animal, big animal, and he was praised by . . . that is stated here, ''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ''. The so-called leaders, they are animals, and they are praised by other animals, that's all, small animals. This is the civilization. How he is animal? Now, ''na yat-karṇa . . . karṇa-pathet, upeta'' . . .?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. He's a big dog, and the small dogs, they elected him. And now there is some trouble, and "''Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!''" ''Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ.'' He was praised by some animals. He's an animal, big animal, and he was praised by . . . that is stated here, ''śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ''. The so-called leaders, they are animals, and they are praised by other animals, that's all, small animals. This is the civilization. How he is animal? Now, ''na yat-karṇa . . . karṇa-pathet, upeta'' . . .?

	Nitāi: ''Upeto''.		'''Nitāi:''' ''Upeto''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. One who has not heard the message of Kṛṣṇa, he's animal.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ah. One who has not heard the message of Kṛṣṇa, he's animal.

	Nitāi: ''Jātu nāma gadāgrajaḥ.''		'''Nitāi:''' ''Jātu nāma gadāgrajaḥ.''

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Jātu''. What is . . .? Even for some time, they did not hear. Purport?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Jātu''. What is . . .? Even for some time, they did not hear. Purport?

	Nitāi: "The general mass of people, unless they are trained systematically for a higher standard of life in spiritual values, are no better than animals, and in this verse they have been particularly put on the levels of dogs, hogs, camels and asses. Modern university education practically prepares one to acquire a doggish mentality to accept the service of a greater master. Like the dogs, after finishing so-called education, the so-called educated persons move from door to door with applications for some service . . ."		'''Nitāi:''' "The general mass of people, unless they are trained systematically for a higher standard of life in spiritual values, are no better than animals, and in this verse they have been particularly put on the levels of dogs, hogs, camels and asses. Modern university education practically prepares one to acquire a doggish mentality to accept the service of a greater master. Like the dogs, after finishing so-called education, the so-called educated persons move from door to door with applications for some service . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' At least, we have got this experience in India. There are so many unemployed educated. Because they have been educated as dog, they must find out a master. Otherwise, they have no independent power to work. Dog, unless he finds out a very nice master, it is street dog, loitering in the street.		'''Prabhupāda:''' At least, we have got this experience in India. There are so many unemployed educated. Because they have been educated as dog, they must find out a master. Otherwise, they have no independent power to work. Dog, unless he finds out a very nice master, it is street dog, loitering in the street.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The mother becomes child and child becomes mother. That's all. Have you got transcription of the ''vyādha'' story?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The mother becomes child and child becomes mother. That's all. Have you got transcription of the ''vyādha'' story?

	Nitāi: The . . .?		'''Nitāi:''' The . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vyādha''. The hunter, hunter story, recited by Caitanya Mahāprabhu?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vyādha''. The hunter, hunter story, recited by Caitanya Mahāprabhu?

	Nitāi: Which . . .?		'''Nitāi:''' Which . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This twenty-fourth chapter, ''Madhya-līlā.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' This twenty-fourth chapter, ''Madhya-līlā.''

	Nitāi: No, I don't think it's typed yet.		'''Nitāi:''' No, I don't think it's typed yet.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What you have typed? Bring. That is Nārada's instruction, how by killing, one becomes killed. That is there.		'''Prabhupāda:''' What you have typed? Bring. That is Nārada's instruction, how by killing, one becomes killed. That is there.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Māṁ sa. Māṁ sa khādati iti māṁsa.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Māṁ sa. Māṁ sa khādati iti māṁsa.''

	Nitāi: That story begins on verse 220, and I only have up to 121 here. This is the most recent tape. She's probably typing it . . . she'll type it today or tomorrow.		'''Nitāi:''' That story begins on verse 220, and I only have up to 121 here. This is the most recent tape. She's probably typing it . . . she'll type it today or tomorrow.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There these things are discussed.		'''Prabhupāda:''' There these things are discussed.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no question of protecting. We shall protect. Simply we ask them that, "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after his death." Where is the wrong?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So there is no question of protecting. We shall protect. Simply we ask them that, "Don't purchase meat from the slaughterhouse. We shall supply you the cow after his death." Where is the wrong?

	Satsvarūpa: Not enough meat.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Not enough meat.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Eh?

	Satsvarūpa: Not enough meat fast enough. They're eating so much beef.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Not enough meat fast enough. They're eating so much beef.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, fast, fast . . . fast means you have to eat the cow's flesh. So how you can make it fast? The cows' number are the same. So it will remain the same. Simply you wait for the natural death. Where is the restriction? You have got a limited number of cows. Either you wait for the death or you kill it at once, the number of cows are the same. So we simply request you that you don't kill them. Wait for the natural death and take it. What is the wrong? The number of cows is the same. You cannot increase it. Increase or decrease, the number of cow is there. So we simply request you that so long they're alive, let us take its milk, and give nice foodstuff to the human society.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, fast, fast . . . fast means you have to eat the cow's flesh. So how you can make it fast? The cows' number are the same. So it will remain the same. Simply you wait for the natural death. Where is the restriction? You have got a limited number of cows. Either you wait for the death or you kill it at once, the number of cows are the same. So we simply request you that you don't kill them. Wait for the natural death and take it. What is the wrong? The number of cows is the same. You cannot increase it. Increase or decrease, the number of cow is there. So we simply request you that so long they're alive, let us take its milk, and give nice foodstuff to the human society.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. No, we can open our own restaurant. Our own restaurant, that I have already suggested. You have not discussed?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. No, we can open our own restaurant. Our own restaurant, that I have already suggested. You have not discussed?

	Satsvarūpa: Yes. We're preparing a letter to send to the whole Society.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes. We're preparing a letter to send to the whole Society.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We, suppose we make ''ghee'' there. We can make ''sandeśa'' there. We can make ''rasagullā''. We can make so many things, especially ghee. So open restaurant in any part of the city, and make nice ''kachorīs, siṅgāra, purī, halavā'' and so many other things, ''jurī'', and people will purchase it. They'll come and sit down. I've given all the . . . that every foodstuff is ready. You sit down. Whatever you like, you take. And this is our charge for one plate. Don't waste. Just like it is distributed. You take one, two, three, four, as much as you like. But don't waste. Don't waste. So, so far for your eating sumptuously, the charge is set. Suppose this man eats only one cake and you eat four cakes. That does not mean we shall charge more.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We, suppose we make ''ghee'' there. We can make ''sandeśa'' there. We can make ''rasagullā''. We can make so many things, especially ghee. So open restaurant in any part of the city, and make nice ''kachorīs, siṅgāra, purī, halavā'' and so many other things, ''jurī'', and people will purchase it. They'll come and sit down. I've given all the . . . that every foodstuff is ready. You sit down. Whatever you like, you take. And this is our charge for one plate. Don't waste. Just like it is distributed. You take one, two, three, four, as much as you like. But don't waste. Don't waste. So, so far for your eating sumptuously, the charge is set. Suppose this man eats only one cake and you eat four cakes. That does not mean we shall charge more.
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	'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yes, but it will be later. It will be at six-fifteen, in forty-five minutes. The man coming will be a psychiatrist.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yes, but it will be later. It will be at six-fifteen, in forty-five minutes. The man coming will be a psychiatrist.

	Satsvarūpa: So we can take your leave until then.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' So we can take your leave until then.

	Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ''Jaya''. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. ''Hari-haribol.'' (devotees pay obeisances)		Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ''Jaya''. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. ''Hari-haribol.'' (devotees pay obeisances)

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	'''Bhagavān:''' This is . . .		'''Bhagavān:''' This is . . .

	Jyotirmayī: This is ''sandeśa''.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' This is ''sandeśa''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, ''sandeśa''. It is milk preparation. Give him one more. No, no. This ''sandeśa'', you give him one more. (M. Mesman laughs) So our recommendation is, "Don't kill cow." Take milk and make thousands of preparation, all nutritious and very healthy. They do not know how to use cow. Instead of killing, if we take, let the animal live and give us milk, and from the milk we make hundreds of preparation. The milk is nothing but blood, transformation of blood. So we take the blood by killing the animal, but we do not wish to kill such an important animal, but they take the blood in form of milk and make preparation. And those who are flesh-eaters, let them wait for the death of the cow. Then let them eat the flesh, not living condition. So we are making preparation that keep the cows, protect the cows, and when the cow dies, the flesh-eater may take it away. So he can take the skin, he can take the hoof, he can take the horn, he can take the flesh—everything, whatever he likes—because when it is dead, it is no more useful for us. So the others, who are interested with the skin, in the flesh, in the hoof, they can take it. And they get it free, without any cost. Because after death, we don't want it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, ''sandeśa''. It is milk preparation. Give him one more. No, no. This ''sandeśa'', you give him one more. (M. Mesman laughs) So our recommendation is, "Don't kill cow." Take milk and make thousands of preparation, all nutritious and very healthy. They do not know how to use cow. Instead of killing, if we take, let the animal live and give us milk, and from the milk we make hundreds of preparation. The milk is nothing but blood, transformation of blood. So we take the blood by killing the animal, but we do not wish to kill such an important animal, but they take the blood in form of milk and make preparation. And those who are flesh-eaters, let them wait for the death of the cow. Then let them eat the flesh, not living condition. So we are making preparation that keep the cows, protect the cows, and when the cow dies, the flesh-eater may take it away. So he can take the skin, he can take the hoof, he can take the horn, he can take the flesh—everything, whatever he likes—because when it is dead, it is no more useful for us. So the others, who are interested with the skin, in the flesh, in the hoof, they can take it. And they get it free, without any cost. Because after death, we don't want it.
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	Yogeśvara: (referring to guest) Did he say anything before he left?		Yogeśvara: (referring to guest) Did he say anything before he left?

	Jyotirmayī: Yeah, he said that he was in the . . . he was promulgating a law. So I asked him if he was going to help promulgate a law against cow-killing. So he said . . .		'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yeah, he said that he was in the . . . he was promulgating a law. So I asked him if he was going to help promulgate a law against cow-killing. So he said . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, this is our proposal, that why you should kill cow? Cow may be protected to take milk, and use this milk for so many nice preparation. Then, so far meat-eating is concerned, so every cow will die. It is a fact. So you wait a few days only. There will be so many dead cows. So you take all the dead cows and eat. So where is the bad proposal? If you say that, "You are restraining us from meat-eating," no, we don't restrain you. We simply request you that "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you eat it."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, this is our proposal, that why you should kill cow? Cow may be protected to take milk, and use this milk for so many nice preparation. Then, so far meat-eating is concerned, so every cow will die. It is a fact. So you wait a few days only. There will be so many dead cows. So you take all the dead cows and eat. So where is the bad proposal? If you say that, "You are restraining us from meat-eating," no, we don't restrain you. We simply request you that "Don't kill. When the cow is dead, you eat it."
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	'''Bhagavān:''' That's intelligent.		'''Bhagavān:''' That's intelligent.

	Jyotirmayī: When this man left, he told me that there is a very, very big actress—she's known all over the world—she's called Brigitte Bardot. And she's making propaganda now everywhere against slaughterhouses. So he said she's living around here, and we should meet her and ask her to come and see you. So if she's here, we can try.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' When this man left, he told me that there is a very, very big actress—she's known all over the world—she's called Brigitte Bardot. And she's making propaganda now everywhere against slaughterhouses. So he said she's living around here, and we should meet her and ask her to come and see you. So if she's here, we can try.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This mayor, mayor . . .? This mayor?		'''Prabhupāda:''' This mayor, mayor . . .? This mayor?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What did he say about himself?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What did he say about himself?

	Jyotirmayī: It's when I asked him. I asked him, "So what are you going to do? Can you make a law against cow-killing?" So he said: "Oh . . . but there is this actress." Just give it . . . gave it to someone else to do.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' It's when I asked him. I asked him, "So what are you going to do? Can you make a law against cow-killing?" So he said: "Oh . . . but there is this actress." Just give it . . . gave it to someone else to do.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, we have to make this propaganda because we are servant of Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa orders, ''kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]). So we must take to agricultural work, to produce food and give protection to the cows. And if there is excess product, we trade. This simple thing we must do. Therefore I'm anxious to take outside Paris this center. Our people should live there peacefully, produce food grains, give protection to the cows and work hard. And if there is excess product, you can make money also. With ''ghee'', you can start so many restaurants. That I have already . . . I have discussed on this point. We can make good money. You'll not be loser. Kṛṣṇa conscious men, they'll be never loser by following the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. They'll live comfortably, without any material want, and ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]), and after leaving this body, go to, directly to God. This is our program.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, we have to make this propaganda because we are servant of Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa orders, ''kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]). So we must take to agricultural work, to produce food and give protection to the cows. And if there is excess product, we trade. This simple thing we must do. Therefore I'm anxious to take outside Paris this center. Our people should live there peacefully, produce food grains, give protection to the cows and work hard. And if there is excess product, you can make money also. With ''ghee'', you can start so many restaurants. That I have already . . . I have discussed on this point. We can make good money. You'll not be loser. Kṛṣṇa conscious men, they'll be never loser by following the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. They'll live comfortably, without any material want, and ''tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti'' ([[BG 4.9 (1972)\|BG 4.9]]), and after leaving this body, go to, directly to God. This is our program.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Is there any other meeting?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Is there any other meeting?

	Jyotirmayī: Yes, but it will be later. It will be at six-fifteen, in forty-five minutes. The man coming will be a psychiatrist.		'''Jyotirmayī:''' Yes, but it will be later. It will be at six-fifteen, in forty-five minutes. The man coming will be a psychiatrist.

	Satsvarūpa: So we can take your leave until then.		Satsvarūpa: So we can take your leave until then.