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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. There are different airs within the body, and controlling the airs and putting this soul . . . soul is already floating in the air. So the ''yogī'' mystic process can bring the soul from different places, and then they bring it here, and they ascertain where he has to go, and then, from this hole . . . what is called, this hole?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. There are different airs within the body, and controlling the airs and putting this soul . . . soul is already floating in the air. So the ''yogī'' mystic process can bring the soul from different places, and then they bring it here, and they ascertain where he has to go, and then, from this hole . . . what is called, this hole?

	Madhudviṣa: ''Brahma-randhra.''		'''Madhudviṣa:''' ''Brahma-randhra.''

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Brahma-randhra'' we say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Brahma-randhra'' we say.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is? Cāru?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where it is? Cāru?

	Cāru: "You will see all beings in Me and Me in all beings."		'''Cāru:''' "You will see all beings in Me and Me in all beings."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So what is that? Does it mean all beings in Kṛṣṇa?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So what is that? Does it mean all beings in Kṛṣṇa?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then see. Here is Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then see. Here is Kṛṣṇa.

	Guest (2): But that's a painting.		'''Guest (2):''' But that's a painting.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is painting. Suppose your painting is there. Can I not say that, "Here is Mr. Such-and-such"?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is painting. Suppose your painting is there. Can I not say that, "Here is Mr. Such-and-such"?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . comfortable, it will never be. Do you understand this? Fish is taken from the water and you put on the land, so you may give the fish very velvet cushion and anything, all nice thing, but will the fish will be comfortable?		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . comfortable, it will never be. Do you understand this? Fish is taken from the water and you put on the land, so you may give the fish very velvet cushion and anything, all nice thing, but will the fish will be comfortable?

	Reporter (1): No.		'''Reporter (1):''' No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Similarly, if you . . . we living entities, we are spirit soul. We are not this material body. Unfortunately, our system of education is so dull that the authorities do not know that we are not this body; we are spirit soul. Still, they are big, big philosopher, big, big politician and big, big leader and social authorities. But real thing is mistaken. He is accepting this body as self, or he is thinking that, "The bodily comforts will make me happy." But that cannot be, because the body is made of matter, and we are spirit soul. The same thing, from water, you catch the fish and put on the land; it will never be happy. So long you'll continue to have this material body, there cannot be any happiness. And so many problems. The main problem is birth, death, old age and disease. So this is due to this material body. Therefore an intelligent man should know that, "I am not this body; I am spirit soul. My field of activities are on the spiritual platform and then I will be happy." So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means educating people how to be situated on the spiritual platform and be happy. This is the sum and substance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Similarly, if you . . . we living entities, we are spirit soul. We are not this material body. Unfortunately, our system of education is so dull that the authorities do not know that we are not this body; we are spirit soul. Still, they are big, big philosopher, big, big politician and big, big leader and social authorities. But real thing is mistaken. He is accepting this body as self, or he is thinking that, "The bodily comforts will make me happy." But that cannot be, because the body is made of matter, and we are spirit soul. The same thing, from water, you catch the fish and put on the land; it will never be happy. So long you'll continue to have this material body, there cannot be any happiness. And so many problems. The main problem is birth, death, old age and disease. So this is due to this material body. Therefore an intelligent man should know that, "I am not this body; I am spirit soul. My field of activities are on the spiritual platform and then I will be happy." So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means educating people how to be situated on the spiritual platform and be happy. This is the sum and substance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.

	Reporter (1): So that . . .		'''Reporter (1):''' So that . . .

	'''Reporter (2):''' Your Divine Grace, do you think that chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' is the only way to achieve liberation?		'''Reporter (2):''' Your Divine Grace, do you think that chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' is the only way to achieve liberation?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' means Kṛṣṇa, the Lord; and Hare, or Harā, means Kṛṣṇa's energy. Just like you are there, the heater is there and the heating energy is there, similarly, Kṛṣṇa is there and Kṛṣṇa's energies are there. Just like the sun is there and the sun's energy is there, the sunshine, heat and light. Is it not? There is heat and light. That is from the sun. But still, the heat and light is different from the sun. Suppose you are in the sunshine. In one sense you are in the sun, and in other sense you are not in the sun, because sun's temperature is so high, had you been in the sun, you would have been immediately blown up, burned into ashes. But you are in the sunshine, the energy of sun. So Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, is situated as the supreme fire, and whatever we are experiencing, that is His energy. Although sun is . . . the example, sun is 93,000,000 miles away, but on account of the sun's energy spread, we are feeling the presence of sun. Similarly, we have to associate with God, Kṛṣṇa, by chanting His holy name because Kṛṣṇa, being Absolute, He is not different from His name, and therefore, if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' without any offense, then you directly associate with Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. The Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' means Kṛṣṇa, the Lord; and Hare, or Harā, means Kṛṣṇa's energy. Just like you are there, the heater is there and the heating energy is there, similarly, Kṛṣṇa is there and Kṛṣṇa's energies are there. Just like the sun is there and the sun's energy is there, the sunshine, heat and light. Is it not? There is heat and light. That is from the sun. But still, the heat and light is different from the sun. Suppose you are in the sunshine. In one sense you are in the sun, and in other sense you are not in the sun, because sun's temperature is so high, had you been in the sun, you would have been immediately blown up, burned into ashes. But you are in the sunshine, the energy of sun. So Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, is situated as the supreme fire, and whatever we are experiencing, that is His energy. Although sun is . . . the example, sun is 93,000,000 miles away, but on account of the sun's energy spread, we are feeling the presence of sun. Similarly, we have to associate with God, Kṛṣṇa, by chanting His holy name because Kṛṣṇa, being Absolute, He is not different from His name, and therefore, if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' without any offense, then you directly associate with Kṛṣṇa.

	Reporter (1): In all scriptures that I have read, it's always said that the disciple, the devotee, must remember God's name or remember it constantly, and so you are saying that the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' is God's name. How do we know this?		'''Reporter (1):''' In all scriptures that I have read, it's always said that the disciple, the devotee, must remember God's name or remember it constantly, and so you are saying that the Hare Kṛṣṇa ''mantra'' is God's name. How do we know this?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' How do you know your name?		'''Prabhupāda:''' How do you know your name?

	Reporter (1): My parents gave it to me.		'''Reporter (1):''' My parents gave it to me.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So authority. Similarly, from authority you have to know what is the name.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So authority. Similarly, from authority you have to know what is the name.

	Reporter (1): From the scriptures.		'''Reporter (1):''' From the scriptures.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Brahma-randhra'' we say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Brahma-randhra'' we say.

	Satsvarūpa: Skull.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Skull.

	'''Devotee:''' Cerebellum? Cerebral . . .?		'''Devotee:''' Cerebellum? Cerebral . . .?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Just like your grandfather has seen your father, or your father has seen your grandfather. You may not have seen, but your father can describe about your grandfather, "My father was like this, like this, like this." What is the difficulty?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Just like your grandfather has seen your father, or your father has seen your grandfather. You may not have seen, but your father can describe about your grandfather, "My father was like this, like this, like this." What is the difficulty?

	Satsvarūpa: He asked if anyone now has seen Kṛṣṇa.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' He asked if anyone now has seen Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' How now one can see? He has to see through the ''paramparā'', succession. You have not seen your great-grandfather. How do you know that you are? How do you know?		'''Prabhupāda:''' How now one can see? He has to see through the ''paramparā'', succession. You have not seen your great-grandfather. How do you know that you are? How do you know?
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	(aside) You find out this in ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''. Find out "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī."		(aside) You find out this in ''Teachings of Lord Caitanya''. Find out "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī."

	Satsvarūpa: What chapter is it?		'''Satsvarūpa:''' What chapter is it?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' See the Contents.		'''Prabhupāda:''' See the Contents.

	Satsvarūpa: "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī." Then the next chapter is Sanātana Gosvāmī.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī." Then the next chapter is Sanātana Gosvāmī.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that? There is no page mark, "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī"?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that? There is no page mark, "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī"?

	Satsvarūpa: Yes, there is one chapter. I am looking through the chapter, from page twenty-one to thirty-nine.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes, there is one chapter. I am looking through the chapter, from page twenty-one to thirty-nine.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is "Teachings to Rūpa . . ."		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is "Teachings to Rūpa . . ."

	Satsvarūpa: It's called "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī."		'''Satsvarūpa:''' It's called "Teachings to Rūpa Gosvāmī."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So you can go on reading it, where it is stated that, "In this way, wandering, the living entity by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, fortunate . . ." It is on the beginning of the . . . why don't you read the chapter?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So you can go on reading it, where it is stated that, "In this way, wandering, the living entity by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, fortunate . . ." It is on the beginning of the . . . why don't you read the chapter?

	Satsvarūpa: (reading) "Within this ''brahmāṇḍa'', or universe, there are innumerable living entities . . ."		'''Satsvarūpa:''' (reading) "Within this ''brahmāṇḍa'', or universe, there are innumerable living entities . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Satsvarūpa: ". . . and according to their own fruitive activities they are transmigrating from one species of life to another and from one planet to another. In this way their engagement in material existence is being continued since time immemorial. The living entities are atomic parts and parcels of the supreme spirit. There is, however, a measurement for the length and breadth of the atomic spiritual spark. It is said in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Tenth Canto, Eighty-seventh Chapter, thirty-sixth verse, that if you divide the top of a hair into one hundred parts and again if you divide one part of that into another one hundred parts, such 1/10,000th part of the tip of a hair is the length and breadth of the individual soul.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' ". . . and according to their own fruitive activities they are transmigrating from one species of life to another and from one planet to another. In this way their engagement in material existence is being continued since time immemorial. The living entities are atomic parts and parcels of the supreme spirit. There is, however, a measurement for the length and breadth of the atomic spiritual spark. It is said in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Tenth Canto, Eighty-seventh Chapter, thirty-sixth verse, that if you divide the top of a hair into one hundred parts and again if you divide one part of that into another one hundred parts, such 1/10,000th part of the tip of a hair is the length and breadth of the individual soul.

	This is also confirmed in the ''Vedas'' in the ''Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad.'' This atomic magnitude of the individual living entity is again described in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Eleventh Canto, Sixteenth Chapter, eleventh verse ([[SB 11.16.11\|SB 11.16.11]]), as follows." This is a speech given by one of the four Kumāras known as Sunanda on the occasion of performing a great sacrifice. He said, " 'O supreme truth, if the living entities were not infinitesimal living sparks of the supreme spirit, then each minute spark would have been all-pervading, and there would be no necessity of its being controlled.' "		This is also confirmed in the ''Vedas'' in the ''Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad.'' This atomic magnitude of the individual living entity is again described in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'', Eleventh Canto, Sixteenth Chapter, eleventh verse ([[SB 11.16.11\|SB 11.16.11]]), as follows." This is a speech given by one of the four Kumāras known as Sunanda on the occasion of performing a great sacrifice. He said, " 'O supreme truth, if the living entities were not infinitesimal living sparks of the supreme spirit, then each minute spark would have been all-pervading, and there would be no necessity of its being controlled.' "
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is very . . . otherwise . . . if the living entity is equal to the Supreme Being, then . . . suppose you are a living entity. You could speak everything of what is going on in others' mind or body. You cannot say what I am thinking. I cannot say what you are thinking. Therefore I or you are not all-pervading. We are limited. And that is living entity. This is a very nice example. Go on.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is very . . . otherwise . . . if the living entity is equal to the Supreme Being, then . . . suppose you are a living entity. You could speak everything of what is going on in others' mind or body. You cannot say what I am thinking. I cannot say what you are thinking. Therefore I or you are not all-pervading. We are limited. And that is living entity. This is a very nice example. Go on.

	Satsvarūpa: "But if the constitution of the living entity is accepted as being the minute part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, then automatically he becomes a controlled living entity under a supreme energy or power. This is his constitutional position. Therefore if he remains as he is created in that natural position, he can attain . . ."		'''Satsvarūpa:''' "But if the constitution of the living entity is accepted as being the minute part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, then automatically he becomes a controlled living entity under a supreme energy or power. This is his constitutional position. Therefore if he remains as he is created in that natural position, he can attain . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We are created as being controlled. So instead of aspiring to become controller, if we remain controlled, that is our natural position. But some rascals, they are trying to become controller, "I am . . . by meditation I have become God." But if you are a God, then how you have become dog? This is going on. The cheating, the so-called ''svāmīs''. Do they not say, "I am God"? Do they not say: "I am God. You are God. Everyone God"?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. We are created as being controlled. So instead of aspiring to become controller, if we remain controlled, that is our natural position. But some rascals, they are trying to become controller, "I am . . . by meditation I have become God." But if you are a God, then how you have become dog? This is going on. The cheating, the so-called ''svāmīs''. Do they not say, "I am God"? Do they not say: "I am God. You are God. Everyone God"?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Without God we have no existence.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Without God we have no existence.

	Satsvarūpa: "A true ''yogī'' observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere." That's different.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' "A true ''yogī'' observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere." That's different.

	'''Reporter (4):''' Your Divine Grace, do you think that every human being will become liberated? This is what the . . .		'''Reporter (4):''' Your Divine Grace, do you think that every human being will become liberated? This is what the . . .

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then it is all right. I am. I am seeing God every moment. So unless we are prepared to take the answer, we should not put ourself . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then it is all right. I am. I am seeing God every moment. So unless we are prepared to take the answer, we should not put ourself . . .

	Reporter (4): Your Divine Grace, do you see meditation as a means to God's realization?		'''Reporter (4):''' Your Divine Grace, do you see meditation as a means to God's realization?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, meditation is also one means, but you cannot meditate now, because you do not know what is God. How you will meditate? Meditation upon something, but if you do not know what is God, upon whom you'll meditate? First of all you must know. Just like we know God, Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]): "Always think of Me." This is meditation. So we meditate upon Kṛṣṇa. So that is perfect meditation, because meditation means to think of God. But if you do not know what is God, how you will think of Him?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, meditation is also one means, but you cannot meditate now, because you do not know what is God. How you will meditate? Meditation upon something, but if you do not know what is God, upon whom you'll meditate? First of all you must know. Just like we know God, Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa says, ''man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ'' ([[BG 18.65 (1972)\|BG 18.65]]): "Always think of Me." This is meditation. So we meditate upon Kṛṣṇa. So that is perfect meditation, because meditation means to think of God. But if you do not know what is God, how you will think of Him?

	Reporter (4): It is written in many scriptures that God is light. In . . .		'''Reporter (4):''' It is written in many scriptures that God is light. In . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' God is everything. God is darkness also. We say: "God is that from whom everything comes." So light also comes; darkness also comes. So darkness also comes from God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' God is everything. God is darkness also. We say: "God is that from whom everything comes." So light also comes; darkness also comes. So darkness also comes from God.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. It requires the qualification of love. Then Kṛṣṇa will be visible twenty-four hours. He'll talk with you. These things are described. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)\|BG 10.10]]). That means talks. "I give him intelligence." That means unless He talks, how He can give intelligence, "You do this"? So you have to qualify yourself to hear Kṛṣṇa, to see Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa is always present.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's it. It requires the qualification of love. Then Kṛṣṇa will be visible twenty-four hours. He'll talk with you. These things are described. ''Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam'' ([[BG 10.10 (1972)\|BG 10.10]]). That means talks. "I give him intelligence." That means unless He talks, how He can give intelligence, "You do this"? So you have to qualify yourself to hear Kṛṣṇa, to see Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa is always present.

	Reporter (4): Your Divine Grace, there are many ''svāmīs'' and ''gurus'' and religious people throughout the world. How does one know which is the true ''guru''?		'''Reporter (4):''' Your Divine Grace, there are many ''svāmīs'' and ''gurus'' and religious people throughout the world. How does one know which is the true ''guru''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

	Reporter (4): How does one recognize the true ''guru''?		'''Reporter (4):''' How does one recognize the true ''guru''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' One who knows Kṛṣṇa, he is ''guru''. Otherwise a rascal. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' One who knows Kṛṣṇa, he is ''guru''. Otherwise a rascal. That's all.

	Reporter (4): What is the test of a true ''guru''?		'''Reporter (4):''' What is the test of a true ''guru''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He will describe about Kṛṣṇa. He will ask you to become devotee of Kṛṣṇa. His business is to propagate Kṛṣṇa. That is the symptom of ''guru''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' He will describe about Kṛṣṇa. He will ask you to become devotee of Kṛṣṇa. His business is to propagate Kṛṣṇa. That is the symptom of ''guru''.
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	Satsvarūpa: "A true ''yogī'' observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere." That's different.		Satsvarūpa: "A true ''yogī'' observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere." That's different.

	Reporter (4): Your Divine Grace, do you think that every human being will become liberated? This is what the . . .		'''Reporter (4):''' Your Divine Grace, do you think that every human being will become liberated? This is what the . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes.