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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . he did not like to kill his cousin-brothers. He said that, "Even they usurp my kingdom, I do not wish to kill them." So this affection, this bodily affection, was not very much approved by Kṛṣṇa. He said that "You are talking like a non-Āryan." ''Anārya-juṣṭam''. Anārya. "The Āryan, they do not think like that." Another place He says that, "You are giving consideration on the body, but any learned schol . . . man does not refer to body, either dead or alive. They, learned man, will give stress on the moving force of the body." So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means basically on the moving force of the body.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . he did not like to kill his cousin-brothers. He said that, "Even they usurp my kingdom, I do not wish to kill them." So this affection, this bodily affection, was not very much approved by Kṛṣṇa. He said that "You are talking like a non-Āryan." ''Anārya-juṣṭam''. Anārya. "The Āryan, they do not think like that." Another place He says that, "You are giving consideration on the body, but any learned schol . . . man does not refer to body, either dead or alive. They, learned man, will give stress on the moving force of the body." So Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means basically on the moving force of the body.

	'''Reporter:''' The moving force of . . .?		'''Reporter:''' The moving force of . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Of the body. Just like you are moving, I am moving. As soon as the moving force, whatever it is, is gone, then your body is a lump of matter, my body is a lump of matter.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Of the body. Just like you are moving, I am moving. As soon as the moving force, whatever it is, is gone, then your body is a lump of matter, my body is a lump of matter.

	'''Reporter:''' Have you had any difficulty in bringing this, which seems to have originated in India, into the West? Or do you find . . .		'''Reporter:''' Have you had any difficulty in bringing this, which seems to have originated in India, into the West? Or do you find . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, there cannot be any problem. Just like I am speaking to you. If you are sane man, you will have to admit this. The mistake you will have to admit, if you are a sane man. If you are something else, then you will not admit the mistake.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, there cannot be any problem. Just like I am speaking to you. If you are sane man, you will have to admit this. The mistake you will have to admit, if you are a sane man. If you are something else, then you will not admit the mistake.

	'''Reporter:''' Uh-huh. But . . .		'''Reporter:''' Uh-huh. But . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, the mistake is . . . you are talking with me; I am talking with you. Your body is there; my body. But which is important? Your body is important, or the force which is talking, that is important? Which is important?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now, the mistake is . . . you are talking with me; I am talking with you. Your body is there; my body. But which is important? Your body is important, or the force which is talking, that is important? Which is important?

	'''Reporter:''' The force.		'''Reporter:''' The force.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. So who is giving? Where is the educational institution to give lesson about this living force? Is there any education all over the world?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Just see. So who is giving? Where is the educational institution to give lesson about this living force? Is there any education all over the world?

	'''Reporter:''' But you don't find that the fact that your monks are wearing robes or shaving their heads is a difficulty in the West, where not many people . . .		'''Reporter:''' But you don't find that the fact that your monks are wearing robes or shaving their heads is a difficulty in the West, where not many people . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not the question of East and West. It is the question of human life. There is no question . . . the Western people also have this living force, and Eastern people also have this living force. So where is the difference, West and East? There is no question of West and East. It is the problem for the whole human society.		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not the question of East and West. It is the question of human life. There is no question . . . the Western people also have this living force, and Eastern people also have this living force. So where is the difference, West and East? There is no question of West and East. It is the problem for the whole human society.

	'''Reporter:''' Can you tell me how your teaching relates to the Bible, to the Christian teaching?		'''Reporter:''' Can you tell me how your teaching relates to the Bible, to the Christian teaching?
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	Reporte: Is there any reason why you teach your followers the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' rather than the Bible?		Reporte: Is there any reason why you teach your followers the ''Bhagavad-gītā'' rather than the Bible?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord Jesus Christ taught and what we are . . . (aside) Aiye. The teaching is the same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The teaching is the same. The teaching is the same. What Lord Jesus Christ taught and what we are . . . (aside) Aiye. The teaching is the same. But who is following? That is the difficulty.

	'''Reporter:''' I see. So you don't think that . . .		'''Reporter:''' I see. So you don't think that . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The difficulty has arisen—I am claiming to be Hindu, but I am not following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but you are not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world.		'''Prabhupāda:''' The difficulty has arisen—I am claiming to be Hindu, but I am not following the Vedic rules. You are claiming to be Christian, but you are not following the Christian rules. This is going on all over the world.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	'''Reporter:''' There are a lot of other spiritual groups in the world . . .		'''Reporter:''' There are a lot of other spiritual groups in the world . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Everyone is servant of Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Everyone is servant of Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Reporter:''' Are you saying . . .		'''Reporter:''' Are you saying . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Everyone. You are also servant of Kṛṣṇa. Are you not servant of Kṛṣṇa? Are you master? You are not servant of anyone? Are you? You have come as press representative. You are servant of the press. So you are not master.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Everyone. You are also servant of Kṛṣṇa. Are you not servant of Kṛṣṇa? Are you master? You are not servant of anyone? Are you? You have come as press representative. You are servant of the press. So you are not master.
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	'''Reporter:''' Uh-huh. But I wanted to ask about other spiritual groups in this country . . .		'''Reporter:''' Uh-huh. But I wanted to ask about other spiritual groups in this country . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So any spiritual . . . if he is actually belongs to the spiritual understanding, then he must admit that he is servant of God.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So any spiritual . . . if he is actually belongs to the spiritual understanding, then he must admit that he is servant of God.

	'''Reporter:''' Servant of God.		'''Reporter:''' Servant of God.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is real spiritual understanding.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is real spiritual understanding.

	'''Reporter:''' But many different groups give the . . .		'''Reporter:''' But many different groups give the . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They are not . . . they have no spiritual understanding. Anyone who says something else beyond this understanding, that every living entity is servant of God, if he says something else, he does not know what is spiritual life.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They are not . . . they have no spiritual understanding. Anyone who says something else beyond this understanding, that every living entity is servant of God, if he says something else, he does not know what is spiritual life.

	'''Reporter:''' But there seem to be a lot of groups that are saying that, but teaching a different way to . . .		'''Reporter:''' But there seem to be a lot of groups that are saying that, but teaching a different way to . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Different way . . . there cannot be dif . . . the way is one. God is one, and we all living entities, we are dependent on God's mercy. Therefore we are servant. Everyone is servant. We say that, that God is one, and every one of us, we are all servant of God. So let us engage in our original position as servant of God. This is our teaching.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Different way . . . there cannot be dif . . . the way is one. God is one, and we all living entities, we are dependent on God's mercy. Therefore we are servant. Everyone is servant. We say that, that God is one, and every one of us, we are all servant of God. So let us engage in our original position as servant of God. This is our teaching.

	'''Reporter:''' Do you feel that . . . in other groups also there are sort of teachers or masters or whatever they call them. Do you feel that there can be more than . . .		'''Reporter:''' Do you feel that . . . in other groups also there are sort of teachers or masters or whatever they call them. Do you feel that there can be more than . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They are wasting time simply and cheating others. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They are wasting time simply and cheating others. That's all.
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	'''Reporter:''' They are wasting time.		'''Reporter:''' They are wasting time.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Because they do not understand what is their position, therefore their teaching is simply waste of time. This is the position: that God is great, and we are all dependent on God. Who will deny this? This is the original principle. Now, in one religious system it may be taught in a little different way. In another religious system it may be . . . but if there is no such sense that, "God is the supreme, and we are all subordinate servant . . ." This should be the basic idea. That is stated in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'':		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Because they do not understand what is their position, therefore their teaching is simply waste of time. This is the position: that God is great, and we are all dependent on God. Who will deny this? This is the original principle. Now, in one religious system it may be taught in a little different way. In another religious system it may be . . . but if there is no such sense that, "God is the supreme, and we are all subordinate servant . . ." This should be the basic idea. That is stated in the ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam'':

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	And Kṛṣṇa says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). But these things are there. God is great, we are all subordinate, and we are maintained. ''Eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān''. This is the Vedic information. ''Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (''Kaṭha Upaniṣad'' 2.2.13). So this principle should be broadcast. People should know what is his position.		And Kṛṣṇa says in the ''Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya'' ([[BG 7.7 (1972)\|BG 7.7]]). But these things are there. God is great, we are all subordinate, and we are maintained. ''Eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān''. This is the Vedic information. ''Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām'' (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). So this principle should be broadcast. People should know what is his position.

	'''Reporter:''' Is the teacher always necessary? I mean, many meditation groups or yoga groups say that . . .		'''Reporter:''' Is the teacher always necessary? I mean, many meditation groups or yoga groups say that . . .

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