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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.

	So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is. . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that. . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.		So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is . . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that . . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.

	So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man. . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?		So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man . . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?

	'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called. . .		'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.

	'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of. . . what is this?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of . . . what is this?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?
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	'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless. . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless . . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.

	''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.		''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.

	(break). . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."		(break) . . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."

	Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his. . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.		Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his . . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.

	(pause) (to Indian boy guest:) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?		(pause) (to Indian boy guest) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?

	'''Amogha:''' Do you remember what you wrote about, which part? About Kṛṣṇa's birth?		'''Amogha:''' Do you remember what you wrote about, which part? About Kṛṣṇa's birth?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.

	'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means. . .		'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in. . . (indistinct). . . and in other books in Hindi.		'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in . . . (indistinct) . . . and in other books in Hindi.

	'''Amogha:''' Well he said.		'''Amogha:''' Well he said.

	'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other. . .		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.		'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.
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	'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?		'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?

	'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a. . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself. . . (indistinct). . . how could I be one of pure devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a . . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself . . . (indistinct) . . . how could I be one of pure devotee?

	'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.		'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a. . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles. . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles . . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?

	'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is. . .		'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?
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	'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.		'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them. . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:'''. . . in working the field.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . in working the field.

	'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)		'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.

	So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is . . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that . . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.		So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is. . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that. . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.

	So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man . . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?		So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man. . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?

	'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called . . .		'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called. . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.

	'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of . . . what is this?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of. . . what is this?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?
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	'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless . . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless. . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.

	''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.		''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.

	(break) . . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."		(break). . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."

	Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his . . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.		Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his. . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.

	(pause) (to Indian boy guest:) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?		(pause) (to Indian boy guest:) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.

	'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means . . .		'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means. . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in . . . (indistinct) . . . and in other books in Hindi.		'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in. . . (indistinct). . . and in other books in Hindi.

	'''Amogha:''' Well he said.		'''Amogha:''' Well he said.

	'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other . . .		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other. . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.		'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.
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	'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?		'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?

	'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a . . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself . . . (indistinct) . . . how could I be one of pure devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a. . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself. . . (indistinct). . . how could I be one of pure devotee?

	'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.		'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a. . .

	'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles . . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles. . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?

	'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is . . .		'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is. . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?
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	'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.		'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them. . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . in working the field.		'''Prabhupāda:'''. . . in working the field.

	'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)		'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. Our viewpoint is that in the material world, who has accepted this material body—anyone, but we specially take the human society—they require treatment, everyone. Everyone is mentally diseased, and therefore he is unhappy. Everyone. ''Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahād-guṇa'' ([[SB 5.18.12\|SB 5.18.12]]). Anyone who has no sense of God consciousness, he is diseased mentally. He requires treatment. The whole human society, especially at the present moment, they have given up God consciousness. They are not interested. That is their disease. And everyone requires treatment.

	So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is . . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that . . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.		So the whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the mass treatment of the materialistic persons who are mentally diseased. That is our proposition. It is . . . in India there was a case: A man committed murder, and he pleaded in the court that . . . his pleader, his lawyer, pleaded that he was mad at that time. We also accept unless one becomes mad, one cannot commit murder or suicide. So the Civil Surgeon was brought to give evidence whether this man is actually mad. The Civil Surgeon said that, "So far my experience is concerned—I have treated so many persons—in my opinion, everyone is mad. So if on account of madness one should be excused from the law, then it is Your Honor's discretion. But so far I have studied, more or less, everyone is mad." Similarly, our study is that unless one is mad, he cannot remain in this material world.

	So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man . . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?		So everyone is mentally diseased, and they are concocting their ideas, different ideas. And they are overlapping—my idea, your idea, overlapping. Therefore there is clash, unhappiness, violence, individually, socially, familywise, nationwise. This is going on. Therefore everyone requires a treatment, psychiatrist's treatment. And the best treatment is to induce a person to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be all right. Otherwise, a person who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, he is basically a madman and requires treatment. (pause) Ghostly-haunted man . . . you have experienced ghostly-haunted man?

	'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called . . .		'''Amogha:''' In one center was a ghost. In St. Kilda the devotees used to think there was a ghost, but not a man who was called . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is ghost. And sometimes ghost attacks a man. Because he has no material body, he wants to act through other's body. So the man who is attacked, he forgets himself, and he speaks and walks according to the dictation of the ghost. That is called ghostly-haunted man.

	'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of . . . what is this?		'''Śrutakīrti:''' What is the significance of . . . what is this?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He talks nonsense. Suppose his father comes before him, he calls him by ill names, like that. He talks nonsense. So anyone who is too much materially affected, he also talks nonsense. ''Anartha upāsamaṁ sākṣād bhakti-yogam adhokṣaje'' ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). The treatment is ''bhakti-yoga''. That we are teaching. Without any exception, we accept everyone a patient for psychiatric treatment. (pause) He has this book?
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	'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.		'''Śrutakīrti:''' Acyutānanda.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless . . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So everyone is attracted with the woman's body. In your country I have seen the advertisement, "bottomless," "topless . . ." That is the material attraction. Everyone is in this material world on account of attachment. And similarly, for woman, the man's body is beautiful. So in this way both of them are attached to one another. That is the basic principle of material life. ''Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham kaṇḍūyanena karayor iva duḥkha-duḥkham'' ([[SB 7.9.45\|SB 7.9.45]]). They become attached. And account of sex life, they become more attached, and therefore both of them remain almost perpetually in this material world, and to satisfy different desires they transmigrate from one body to another. And on account of accepting this material body, there is always miserable condition. Therefore everyone requires the psychiatric treatment so that the mind may be transferred from matter to spirit soul. Then you'll be cured. The disease is of the mind.

	''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.		''Harāv abhaktasy kuto mahād-guṇa mano-rathena''. Everyone is riding on the chariot of mind, and the mind is taking him here and there. And the ''yoga'' practice is also treatment. This is also ''yoga, bhakti-yoga'', and this ordinary ''haṭha-yoga'', that is also treatment of the mind. Treatment of mind means controlling the senses. ''Yoga indriya-samyamaḥ''. Mind is the leader of the senses. So if the treatment of the mind is done properly, then the senses work properly. The example is the madman. Because the madman's mind is not controlled, he is acting in a way, people say: "Here is a madman." So everyone is more or less a madman in this material world, or, in other words, you can say anyone who is in the material world, he is a madman; he requires treatment. Just like anyone who is in the prison house, it is to be accepted that he is a criminal. Without any study, without any exception, we can accept all the prisoners as criminals.

	(break) . . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."		(break) . . . gradually appreciate. ''Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ'' ([[CC Antya 20.12\|CC Antya 20.12]]). This treatment is, in the beginning, just cleansing the mirror of the heart. That is the treatment. Just like a mirror, when it is overcast with dust, it requires cleansing. So the mental mirror is covered with material dust, so it has to be cleansed. That is the treatment. And when it is cleansed, you can see your real face in the mirror. Similarly, as soon as our heart disease, contaminated by the modes of material nature, is cleansed, you can understand what is your real position. That is the success of psychiatric treatment. One comes to know, "What I am." ''Ahaṁ brahmāsmi'': "I am spirit soul. I am not this body." That is called ''brahma-bhūtaḥ'' stage. ''Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā'' ([[BG 18.54 (1972)\|BG 18.54]]). He becomes immediately happy. And happiness means ''na śocati na kāṅkṣati'': "He does not lament, neither he desires."

	Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his . . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.		Our present disease is we hanker after things which we do not possess, and when that thing is lost, we lament. So hankering and lamenting. So when one is cleansed in the heart, he has no more hankering or desire. This is the symptom. And ''samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu'': "Then he becomes equal to everyone." "Everyone" means every living being, man and animal, trees, plants, lower or higher. ''Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ'' ([[BG 5.18 (1972)\|BG 5.18]]). Then he enters into the sphere of devotional service. This is the symptom. Then he is perfectly in his original position. Then he is happy. Just like a diseased man, so long the disease is there, he is unhappy; and as soon as the disease is cured, he will be happy. So this material disease, as soon as it is cured, one becomes happy, because he is, by constitution, spiritual being. People have no knowledge even, his . . . even about his spiritual identity. Therefore they are unhappy.

	(pause) (to Indian boy guest:) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?		(pause) (to Indian boy guest:) So if you forget what you have written, (chuckles) then?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Kṛṣṇa's birth? But in ''Bhagavad-gītā'' there is no.

	'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means . . .		'''Amogha:''' Maybe he means . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in . . . (indistinct) . . . and in other books in Hindi.		'''Indian boy:''' I've read that in . . . (indistinct) . . . and in other books in Hindi.

	'''Amogha:''' Well he said.		'''Amogha:''' Well he said.

	'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other . . .		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' He read in some other . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.		'''Indian boy:''' I've been reading about Kṛṣṇa.
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	'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?		'''Amogha:''' He says he's read many books about Kṛṣṇa in Hindi also. But maybe he means Chapter Four, verse six, where Kṛṣṇa says He comes again in this world in His original form. Do you have any questions about Kṛṣṇa?

	'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a . . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself . . . (indistinct) . . . how could I be one of pure devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Actually, I want to know how could I get more involved in, say, in religion, like a . . . want to become a true devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you know, sacrifice myself . . . (indistinct) . . . how could I be one of pure devotee?

	'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.		'''Amogha:''' He wants to know how to become a pure devotee.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' You live with us and you will become pure devotee. They are pure devotees. You live with them and do whatever they are doing, their examples, and you will become pure devotee. Just like in a workshop, if you admit yourself without any knowledge, if you work with the workshop man, gradually you will learn how to work. It is not difficult. Formerly this was the custom in India, that when somebody sends his son to any workshop or any shopkeeper without any pay, so gradually he learns. And the master says: "Now I engage you with some pay." That is the way. ''Sataṁ prasaṅgāt''. By living with devotees, you'll learn devotion. So if you are serious, you are welcome. You can live with us and behave according to the other devotees. Then he's a . . .

	'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?		'''Indian boy:''' Is it possible that I live on my own and still be a devotee?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles . . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That will take long time. That, also, if you follow the regulative principles . . . it is difficult, little. But easier method is to live with the devotees, because the situation and atmosphere in your home is different from devotion. So it is not very helpful. You have got other members in the family?

	'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is . . .		'''Indian boy:''' Yes, there is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So if you want to do something, they may not like it. So that is impediment. But if you live with the devotees, then you learn quickly the art. You are Indian?
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	'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.		'''Amogha:''' No. There is so much land in Australia.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' The government should have some arrangement for engaging them . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . in working the field.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . in working the field.

	'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)		'''Amogha:''' Shall I give them some ''prasādam'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)

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