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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Over a very long period of time . . . let's say in one ape somebody was born without hair, and then after a long period of time, in the same line from that person who was born without hair . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' Over a very long period of time . . . let's say in one ape somebody was born without hair, and then after a long period of time, in the same line from that person who was born without hair . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But why the ape does not give birth now?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But why the ape does not give birth now?
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	'''Harikeśa:''' It's just a theory.		'''Harikeśa:''' It's just a theory.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then you'll . . . then what you have not seen, how you can suggest? What is not in your experience, how you can suggest? Then anyone will suggest any nonsense, and we will have to accept?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then you'll . . . then what you have not seen, how you can suggest? What is not in your experience, how you can suggest? Then anyone will suggest any nonsense, and we will have to accept?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So that is the rascaldom.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So that is the rascaldom.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore if I say that they did not go to the moon, how they can support?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore if I say that they did not go to the moon, how they can support?

	'''Harikeśa:''' They cannot prove. They are so clever and sophisticated with their nonsense, they can even make the astronauts believe . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They cannot prove. They are so clever and sophisticated with their nonsense, they can even make the astronauts believe . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I asked you to ask them, "Why Sunday first and Monday next?"		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I asked you to ask them, "Why Sunday first and Monday next?"
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It's very conceivable that they could have tricked everyone. They simply have a video. They go up in a space ship around. They simply show a film from the space ship back to the earth, how they were practicing in the Arizona desert, and they collected some rocks and took it with them. It's very easy.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It's very conceivable that they could have tricked everyone. They simply have a video. They go up in a space ship around. They simply show a film from the space ship back to the earth, how they were practicing in the Arizona desert, and they collected some rocks and took it with them. It's very easy.

	'''Harikeśa:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa'', you know, in Bombay? He was in the CIA. And they . . . when he was in Vietnam, they knocked him out one day and they brought him to a dentist, and they took out three of his teeth and they put in these little transistors. And these little transistors were connected to his brain. And they would talk to him and make him do things by speaking into these transistors into his brain. And if he ever said anything wrong . . . like he was not supposed to reveal secrets. And if he ever revealed a secret, they would try to kill him by making a signal go to his brain, and they can explode his brain. So conceivably they can trick the astronauts completely like that by putting things and making them think like they went to the moon.		'''Harikeśa:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa'', you know, in Bombay? He was in the CIA. And they . . . when he was in Vietnam, they knocked him out one day and they brought him to a dentist, and they took out three of his teeth and they put in these little transistors. And these little transistors were connected to his brain. And they would talk to him and make him do things by speaking into these transistors into his brain. And if he ever said anything wrong . . . like he was not supposed to reveal secrets. And if he ever revealed a secret, they would try to kill him by making a signal go to his brain, and they can explode his brain. So conceivably they can trick the astronauts completely like that by putting things and making them think like they went to the moon.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa?''		'''Prabhupāda:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa?''

	'''Harikeśa:''' Yes. He was saying . . . and when he got out of the Army he had so much pain in his teeth he went to a dentist, and he took out all of his teeth. That's why he has no teeth, because all of his teeth had these little things inside them. And one . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' Yes. He was saying . . . and when he got out of the Army he had so much pain in his teeth he went to a dentist, and he took out all of his teeth. That's why he has no teeth, because all of his teeth had these little things inside them. And one . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He is in Bombay now?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He is in Bombay now?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Demoniac.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Demoniac.

	'''Harikeśa:''' He says they even control the president that way. They can even make the president go crazy or kill him if he ever says . . . does . . . becomes a traitor or something like that.		'''Harikeśa:''' He says they even control the president that way. They can even make the president go crazy or kill him if he ever says . . . does . . . becomes a traitor or something like that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Dangerous, huh? That is CIA?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Dangerous, huh? That is CIA?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They just make it quicker.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They just make it quicker.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' After all, they are going to die. In Bengal it is said the topmost ill-naming . . . what is that? Ill-naming?		'''Prabhupāda:''' After all, they are going to die. In Bengal it is said the topmost ill-naming . . . what is that? Ill-naming?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Defamy?		'''Harikeśa:''' Defamy?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Defamy. ''Gāli. ''Just like I say, "You rascal fool, you . . ." so many things. I rebuke. What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Defamy. ''Gāli. ''Just like I say, "You rascal fool, you . . ." so many things. I rebuke. What is that?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Defamy.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Defamy.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is the difficulty, that wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is the difficulty, that wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals. (break)

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . cheated in some business transaction, they become very mad, angry, so much so sometimes they want to kill the opposing party. But when they are cheated in this way they don't mind so much, because their sense gratification, either way, is there. So only people who are serious about understanding the truth will accept these things.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . cheated in some business transaction, they become very mad, angry, so much so sometimes they want to kill the opposing party. But when they are cheated in this way they don't mind so much, because their sense gratification, either way, is there. So only people who are serious about understanding the truth will accept these things.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We therefore submit our statement as it is stated in ''Bhagavad-gītā. ''You cannot say that we are cheating, because we are presenting something authorized, which is accepted, that's all. So we are not cheater. You may accept or not accept; that is your business. But we are presenting something standard. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We therefore submit our statement as it is stated in ''Bhagavad-gītā. ''You cannot say that we are cheating, because we are presenting something authorized, which is accepted, that's all. So we are not cheater. You may accept or not accept; that is your business. But we are presenting something standard. That's all.
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	'''Harikeśa:''' And it works.		'''Harikeśa:''' And it works.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Works or not works . . . suppose it does not work, but still, it is standard. You cannot deny it. ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is read all over the world.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Works or not works . . . suppose it does not work, but still, it is standard. You cannot deny it. ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is read all over the world.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Even the scientists are not in agreement over Darwin's theory.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Even the scientists are not in agreement over Darwin's theory.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' How can it change? If it is correct, how it can be changed?		'''Prabhupāda:''' How can it change? If it is correct, how it can be changed?

	'''Harikeśa:''' They have no experience of anything . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They have no experience of anything . . .

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They have no experience of any truth which lasts.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They have no experience of any truth which lasts.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not dogmatic.		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not dogmatic.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' That's true. They say that because our philosophy . . .		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' That's true. They say that because our philosophy . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' When I say: "Next February will be very nice season," it is not dogmatic. It is by experience. Last February or many other Februaries I have experienced. Therefore I say: "Next February will be like this." That is not cheating, neither dogmatic. That is experience. That example I gave many times, that a child asks from the father, "Father, what is this?" The father says: "My dear son, it is microphone. If you speak, it will be recorded." So I take it from my father this is microphone. So I may be child, but when I say: "It is microphone," that is correct, because I have taken from the authorities. If a child is asked, "What is this? Do you know?" if I say: "Yes, it is microphone," that is correct. And if he, the man, says: "How do you know it is microphone?" "My father said." Then he is correct. I may be disqualified as a child, but because I have taken the words from my qualified father, it is correct. That is our process. I don't claim that I am very big man, but we repeat only what we have heard from Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You may accept it, not accept. That is your business. Therefore I named it "Kṛṣṇa consciousness." We are speaking simply what Kṛṣṇa has said, and we are presenting ''Bhagavad-gītā ''as it is. This is our business. Now, in the market so many things are being sold, not that everything has got all customers. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness may not be accepted by all. That is the case in everything. But what we are presenting, that is standard. We are not cheating.		'''Prabhupāda:''' When I say: "Next February will be very nice season," it is not dogmatic. It is by experience. Last February or many other Februaries I have experienced. Therefore I say: "Next February will be like this." That is not cheating, neither dogmatic. That is experience. That example I gave many times, that a child asks from the father, "Father, what is this?" The father says: "My dear son, it is microphone. If you speak, it will be recorded." So I take it from my father this is microphone. So I may be child, but when I say: "It is microphone," that is correct, because I have taken from the authorities. If a child is asked, "What is this? Do you know?" if I say: "Yes, it is microphone," that is correct. And if he, the man, says: "How do you know it is microphone?" "My father said." Then he is correct. I may be disqualified as a child, but because I have taken the words from my qualified father, it is correct. That is our process. I don't claim that I am very big man, but we repeat only what we have heard from Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You may accept it, not accept. That is your business. Therefore I named it "Kṛṣṇa consciousness." We are speaking simply what Kṛṣṇa has said, and we are presenting ''Bhagavad-gītā ''as it is. This is our business. Now, in the market so many things are being sold, not that everything has got all customers. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness may not be accepted by all. That is the case in everything. But what we are presenting, that is standard. We are not cheating.
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Na danam na janam na sundarim ''([[CC Antya 20.29\|CC Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]]). We are not simply looking for followers.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Na danam na janam na sundarim ''([[CC Antya 20.29\|CC Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]]). We are not simply looking for followers.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Neither we are after false followers. If you agree, then you come. If you agree—"No illicit sex, no . . . yes . . ." Why? There is no "Why?" You have to accept it— then you come to me. That's all. If you like, you come; if you don't like, go away. I don't care for you. This is our policy. There is no "Why?" You may say "dogmatic," but it is not dogmatic, but it is standard from ''Bhagavad-gītā, ''from Vedic literature. ''Striya-suna-pana-dyuta yatra papas catur-vidhāh ([[SB 1.17.38\|SB 1.17.38]]): ''"Wherever there are these four kinds of sinful activities, oh, that is very dangerous place." So we have taken it. (break) Now everyone, when there are so many cars . . . I saw one advertisement, Ford car—that "Bring all '79's and compare. Ours is the best." You cannot condemn him. It is advertisement. "Bring all '79 cars, others, and compare with our car." You can have your consent. That is not cheating. So we say like that, that "Bring all knowledge and compare with ''Bhagavad-gita's ''knowledge." Now it is up to you if you accept this or don't accept it. That is not cheating. But these rascals, they are simply placing some bogus theory without any authorized statement: "All of a sudden monkey once gave birth." And where is that authority?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Neither we are after false followers. If you agree, then you come. If you agree—"No illicit sex, no . . . yes . . ." Why? There is no "Why?" You have to accept it— then you come to me. That's all. If you like, you come; if you don't like, go away. I don't care for you. This is our policy. There is no "Why?" You may say "dogmatic," but it is not dogmatic, but it is standard from ''Bhagavad-gītā, ''from Vedic literature. ''Striya-suna-pana-dyuta yatra papas catur-vidhāh ([[SB 1.17.38\|SB 1.17.38]]): ''"Wherever there are these four kinds of sinful activities, oh, that is very dangerous place." So we have taken it. (break) Now everyone, when there are so many cars . . . I saw one advertisement, Ford car—that "Bring all '79's and compare. Ours is the best." You cannot condemn him. It is advertisement. "Bring all '79 cars, others, and compare with our car." You can have your consent. That is not cheating. So we say like that, that "Bring all knowledge and compare with ''Bhagavad-gita's ''knowledge." Now it is up to you if you accept this or don't accept it. That is not cheating. But these rascals, they are simply placing some bogus theory without any authorized statement: "All of a sudden monkey once gave birth." And where is that authority?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Monkey . . .?		'''Harikeśa:''' Monkey . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' "Monkey gave birth to man, all of a sudden, millions of years . . ." Now, what is the support of your statement? Then anyone can say anything and it becomes science. You have no support. You are the first man you are saying like this, nonsense. Where is your support? You are support of your statement? Then everyone will say: "I have got some statement, and I support. I am the support."		'''Prabhupāda:''' "Monkey gave birth to man, all of a sudden, millions of years . . ." Now, what is the support of your statement? Then anyone can say anything and it becomes science. You have no support. You are the first man you are saying like this, nonsense. Where is your support? You are support of your statement? Then everyone will say: "I have got some statement, and I support. I am the support."

	'''Harikeśa:''' That's what they do.		'''Harikeśa:''' That's what they do.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Huh?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Over a very long period of time . . . let's say in one ape somebody was born without hair, and then after a long period of time, in the same line from that person who was born without hair . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' Over a very long period of time . . . let's say in one ape somebody was born without hair, and then after a long period of time, in the same line from that person who was born without hair . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But why the ape does not give birth now?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But why the ape does not give birth now?
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	'''Harikeśa:''' It's just a theory.		'''Harikeśa:''' It's just a theory.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then you'll . . . then what you have not seen, how you can suggest? What is not in your experience, how you can suggest? Then anyone will suggest any nonsense, and we will have to accept?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then you'll . . . then what you have not seen, how you can suggest? What is not in your experience, how you can suggest? Then anyone will suggest any nonsense, and we will have to accept?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So that is the rascaldom.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So that is the rascaldom.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore if I say that they did not go to the moon, how they can support?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So therefore if I say that they did not go to the moon, how they can support?

	'''Harikeśa:''' They cannot prove. They are so clever and sophisticated with their nonsense, they can even make the astronauts believe . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They cannot prove. They are so clever and sophisticated with their nonsense, they can even make the astronauts believe . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I asked you to ask them, "Why Sunday first and Monday next?"		'''Prabhupāda:''' Therefore I asked you to ask them, "Why Sunday first and Monday next?"
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It's very conceivable that they could have tricked everyone. They simply have a video. They go up in a space ship around. They simply show a film from the space ship back to the earth, how they were practicing in the Arizona desert, and they collected some rocks and took it with them. It's very easy.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' It's very conceivable that they could have tricked everyone. They simply have a video. They go up in a space ship around. They simply show a film from the space ship back to the earth, how they were practicing in the Arizona desert, and they collected some rocks and took it with them. It's very easy.

	'''Harikeśa:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa'', you know, in Bombay? He was in the CIA. And they . . . when he was in Vietnam, they knocked him out one day and they brought him to a dentist, and they took out three of his teeth and they put in these little transistors. And these little transistors were connected to his brain. And they would talk to him and make him do things by speaking into these transistors into his brain. And if he ever said anything wrong . . . like he was not supposed to reveal secrets. And if he ever revealed a secret, they would try to kill him by making a signal go to his brain, and they can explode his brain. So conceivably they can trick the astronauts completely like that by putting things and making them think like they went to the moon.		'''Harikeśa:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa'', you know, in Bombay? He was in the CIA. And they . . . when he was in Vietnam, they knocked him out one day and they brought him to a dentist, and they took out three of his teeth and they put in these little transistors. And these little transistors were connected to his brain. And they would talk to him and make him do things by speaking into these transistors into his brain. And if he ever said anything wrong . . . like he was not supposed to reveal secrets. And if he ever revealed a secret, they would try to kill him by making a signal go to his brain, and they can explode his brain. So conceivably they can trick the astronauts completely like that by putting things and making them think like they went to the moon.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa?''		'''Prabhupāda:''' Śaṅkara ''dāsa?''

	'''Harikeśa:''' Yes. He was saying . . . and when he got out of the Army he had so much pain in his teeth he went to a dentist, and he took out all of his teeth. That's why he has no teeth, because all of his teeth had these little things inside them. And one . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' Yes. He was saying . . . and when he got out of the Army he had so much pain in his teeth he went to a dentist, and he took out all of his teeth. That's why he has no teeth, because all of his teeth had these little things inside them. And one . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He is in Bombay now?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He is in Bombay now?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Demoniac.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Demoniac.

	'''Harikeśa:''' He says they even control the president that way. They can even make the president go crazy or kill him if he ever says . . . does . . . becomes a traitor or something like that.		'''Harikeśa:''' He says they even control the president that way. They can even make the president go crazy or kill him if he ever says . . . does . . . becomes a traitor or something like that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Dangerous, huh? That is CIA?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Dangerous, huh? That is CIA?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They just make it quicker.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They just make it quicker.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' After all, they are going to die. In Bengal it is said the topmost ill-naming . . . what is that? Ill-naming?		'''Prabhupāda:''' After all, they are going to die. In Bengal it is said the topmost ill-naming . . . what is that? Ill-naming?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Defamy?		'''Harikeśa:''' Defamy?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Defamy. ''Gāli. ''Just like I say, "You rascal fool, you . . ." so many things. I rebuke. What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Defamy. ''Gāli. ''Just like I say, "You rascal fool, you . . ." so many things. I rebuke. What is that?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Defamy.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Defamy.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is the difficulty, that wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is the difficulty, that wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals. (break)

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . cheated in some business transaction, they become very mad, angry, so much so sometimes they want to kill the opposing party. But when they are cheated in this way they don't mind so much, because their sense gratification, either way, is there. So only people who are serious about understanding the truth will accept these things.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . cheated in some business transaction, they become very mad, angry, so much so sometimes they want to kill the opposing party. But when they are cheated in this way they don't mind so much, because their sense gratification, either way, is there. So only people who are serious about understanding the truth will accept these things.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We therefore submit our statement as it is stated in ''Bhagavad-gītā. ''You cannot say that we are cheating, because we are presenting something authorized, which is accepted, that's all. So we are not cheater. You may accept or not accept; that is your business. But we are presenting something standard. That's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We therefore submit our statement as it is stated in ''Bhagavad-gītā. ''You cannot say that we are cheating, because we are presenting something authorized, which is accepted, that's all. So we are not cheater. You may accept or not accept; that is your business. But we are presenting something standard. That's all.
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	'''Harikeśa:''' And it works.		'''Harikeśa:''' And it works.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Works or not works . . . suppose it does not work, but still, it is standard. You cannot deny it. ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is read all over the world.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Works or not works . . . suppose it does not work, but still, it is standard. You cannot deny it. ''Bhagavad-gītā ''is read all over the world.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Even the scientists are not in agreement over Darwin's theory.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Even the scientists are not in agreement over Darwin's theory.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' How can it change? If it is correct, how it can be changed?		'''Prabhupāda:''' How can it change? If it is correct, how it can be changed?

	'''Harikeśa:''' They have no experience of anything . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They have no experience of anything . . .

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They have no experience of any truth which lasts.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' They have no experience of any truth which lasts.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not dogmatic.		'''Prabhupāda:''' It is not dogmatic.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' That's true. They say that because our philosophy . . .		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' That's true. They say that because our philosophy . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' When I say: "Next February will be very nice season," it is not dogmatic. It is by experience. Last February or many other Februaries I have experienced. Therefore I say: "Next February will be like this." That is not cheating, neither dogmatic. That is experience. That example I gave many times, that a child asks from the father, "Father, what is this?" The father says: "My dear son, it is microphone. If you speak, it will be recorded." So I take it from my father this is microphone. So I may be child, but when I say: "It is microphone," that is correct, because I have taken from the authorities. If a child is asked, "What is this? Do you know?" if I say: "Yes, it is microphone," that is correct. And if he, the man, says: "How do you know it is microphone?" "My father said." Then he is correct. I may be disqualified as a child, but because I have taken the words from my qualified father, it is correct. That is our process. I don't claim that I am very big man, but we repeat only what we have heard from Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You may accept it, not accept. That is your business. Therefore I named it "Kṛṣṇa consciousness." We are speaking simply what Kṛṣṇa has said, and we are presenting ''Bhagavad-gītā ''as it is. This is our business. Now, in the market so many things are being sold, not that everything has got all customers. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness may not be accepted by all. That is the case in everything. But what we are presenting, that is standard. We are not cheating.		'''Prabhupāda:''' When I say: "Next February will be very nice season," it is not dogmatic. It is by experience. Last February or many other Februaries I have experienced. Therefore I say: "Next February will be like this." That is not cheating, neither dogmatic. That is experience. That example I gave many times, that a child asks from the father, "Father, what is this?" The father says: "My dear son, it is microphone. If you speak, it will be recorded." So I take it from my father this is microphone. So I may be child, but when I say: "It is microphone," that is correct, because I have taken from the authorities. If a child is asked, "What is this? Do you know?" if I say: "Yes, it is microphone," that is correct. And if he, the man, says: "How do you know it is microphone?" "My father said." Then he is correct. I may be disqualified as a child, but because I have taken the words from my qualified father, it is correct. That is our process. I don't claim that I am very big man, but we repeat only what we have heard from Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You may accept it, not accept. That is your business. Therefore I named it "Kṛṣṇa consciousness." We are speaking simply what Kṛṣṇa has said, and we are presenting ''Bhagavad-gītā ''as it is. This is our business. Now, in the market so many things are being sold, not that everything has got all customers. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness may not be accepted by all. That is the case in everything. But what we are presenting, that is standard. We are not cheating.
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Na danam na janam na sundarim ''([[CC Antya 20.29\|CC Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]]). We are not simply looking for followers.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Na danam na janam na sundarim ''([[CC Antya 20.29\|CC Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]]). We are not simply looking for followers.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Neither we are after false followers. If you agree, then you come. If you agree—"No illicit sex, no . . . yes . . ." Why? There is no "Why?" You have to accept it— then you come to me. That's all. If you like, you come; if you don't like, go away. I don't care for you. This is our policy. There is no "Why?" You may say "dogmatic," but it is not dogmatic, but it is standard from ''Bhagavad-gītā, ''from Vedic literature. ''Striya-suna-pana-dyuta yatra papas catur-vidhāh ([[SB 1.17.38\|SB 1.17.38]]): ''"Wherever there are these four kinds of sinful activities, oh, that is very dangerous place." So we have taken it. (break) Now everyone, when there are so many cars . . . I saw one advertisement, Ford car—that "Bring all '79's and compare. Ours is the best." You cannot condemn him. It is advertisement. "Bring all '79 cars, others, and compare with our car." You can have your consent. That is not cheating. So we say like that, that "Bring all knowledge and compare with ''Bhagavad-gita's ''knowledge." Now it is up to you if you accept this or don't accept it. That is not cheating. But these rascals, they are simply placing some bogus theory without any authorized statement: "All of a sudden monkey once gave birth." And where is that authority?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Neither we are after false followers. If you agree, then you come. If you agree—"No illicit sex, no . . . yes . . ." Why? There is no "Why?" You have to accept it— then you come to me. That's all. If you like, you come; if you don't like, go away. I don't care for you. This is our policy. There is no "Why?" You may say "dogmatic," but it is not dogmatic, but it is standard from ''Bhagavad-gītā, ''from Vedic literature. ''Striya-suna-pana-dyuta yatra papas catur-vidhāh ([[SB 1.17.38\|SB 1.17.38]]): ''"Wherever there are these four kinds of sinful activities, oh, that is very dangerous place." So we have taken it. (break) Now everyone, when there are so many cars . . . I saw one advertisement, Ford car—that "Bring all '79's and compare. Ours is the best." You cannot condemn him. It is advertisement. "Bring all '79 cars, others, and compare with our car." You can have your consent. That is not cheating. So we say like that, that "Bring all knowledge and compare with ''Bhagavad-gita's ''knowledge." Now it is up to you if you accept this or don't accept it. That is not cheating. But these rascals, they are simply placing some bogus theory without any authorized statement: "All of a sudden monkey once gave birth." And where is that authority?

	'''Harikeśa:''' Monkey . . .?		'''Harikeśa:''' Monkey . . .?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' "Monkey gave birth to man, all of a sudden, millions of years . . ." Now, what is the support of your statement? Then anyone can say anything and it becomes science. You have no support. You are the first man you are saying like this, nonsense. Where is your support? You are support of your statement? Then everyone will say: "I have got some statement, and I support. I am the support."		'''Prabhupāda:''' "Monkey gave birth to man, all of a sudden, millions of years . . ." Now, what is the support of your statement? Then anyone can say anything and it becomes science. You have no support. You are the first man you are saying like this, nonsense. Where is your support? You are support of your statement? Then everyone will say: "I have got some statement, and I support. I am the support."

	'''Harikeśa:''' That's what they do.		'''Harikeśa:''' That's what they do.

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