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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' These are marigolds. In the summertime, each one of these little seedlings, we transplant them. They give many, many nice yellow flowers with fragrance. We make garlands for Gaura-Nitāi.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' These are marigolds. In the summertime, each one of these little seedlings, we transplant them. They give many, many nice yellow flowers with fragrance. We make garlands for Gaura-Nitāi.

	Devotee (1): It was in the paper that one lady left four million dollars to her dogs, to dogs in general, to help dogs. Last week, Roosevelt family.		'''Devotee (1):''' It was in the paper that one lady left four million dollars to her dogs, to dogs in general, to help dogs. Last week, Roosevelt family.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is generated from dog originally.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is generated from dog originally.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The disease?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The disease?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' But they will say that the duration of life years ago was much shorter than it is now, that now the duration of life is sixty-five or seventy years average.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' But they will say that the duration of life years ago was much shorter than it is now, that now the duration of life is sixty-five or seventy years average.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be in few cases. Generally the duration of life is reduced. Nobody lives nowadays like his forefather. So where is extension? It is reduced. And what is the extension? In old age the body becomes subjected to so many ailments. What is the use of living with ailments, with toothache (chuckles) and many other things? What is the use of such life? Better die young, in good health, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the use of prolonged life? The prolonged life . . . the trees are also prolonged life. Does it mean it is happy? They live for five hundred years . . . five thousand years. Hundred, two hundred years' living for tree is not at all difficult. But they live for thousands of years. So is it very pleasing to live like a tree for many thousands of years? Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be in few cases. Generally the duration of life is reduced. Nobody lives nowadays like his forefather. So where is extension? It is reduced. And what is the extension? In old age the body becomes subjected to so many ailments. What is the use of living with ailments, with toothache (chuckles) and many other things? What is the use of such life? Better die young, in good health, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the use of prolonged life? The prolonged life . . . the trees are also prolonged life. Does it mean it is happy? They live for five hundred years . . . five thousand years. Hundred, two hundred years' living for tree is not at all difficult. But they live for thousands of years. So is it very pleasing to live like a tree for many thousands of years? Hmm?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' No.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why do they propose, "Prolong life"? What is the use of such prolonged life, stand up in a place without any power to move an inch, and suffer all climatic disturbances? Is that very good life? Everyone is . . . even if he lives for more years, the bodily, mental and external sufferings will be there. What is the use of living such prolonged life? Hmm? Prolonged life, does it guarantee that these three kinds of miseries—bodily, mental and external, natural; there are so many disturbances—he will be free from all these disturbances? Simply dog's obstinacy, that's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why do they propose, "Prolong life"? What is the use of such prolonged life, stand up in a place without any power to move an inch, and suffer all climatic disturbances? Is that very good life? Everyone is . . . even if he lives for more years, the bodily, mental and external sufferings will be there. What is the use of living such prolonged life? Hmm? Prolonged life, does it guarantee that these three kinds of miseries—bodily, mental and external, natural; there are so many disturbances—he will be free from all these disturbances? Simply dog's obstinacy, that's all.

	'''Harikeśa:''' There's a Greek fable about that. There's a Greek fable that this one lady got some benediction that she would live forever, except she forgot to ask for eternal youth.		'''Harikeśa:''' There's a Greek fable about that. There's a Greek fable that this one lady got some benediction that she would live forever, except she forgot to ask for eternal youth.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is destined to live for a certain period. You cannot prolong it, neither reduce it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is destined to live for a certain period. You cannot prolong it, neither reduce it.

	'''Harikeśa:''' What about all these sufferings of the body? Let's say one has a toothache or something like that. If . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' What about all these sufferings of the body? Let's say one has a toothache or something like that. If . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That I have already said, that as soon as you accept this material body, you must suffer. That is the way.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That I have already said, that as soon as you accept this material body, you must suffer. That is the way.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . also a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . also a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' And the slaughterhouse?		'''Prabhupāda:''' And the slaughterhouse?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is their civilization. "Killing is not cruelty."		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is their civilization. "Killing is not cruelty."

	'''Harikeśa:''' They don't do it cruelly. They do it very quickly. That's the scienti . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They don't do it cruelly. They do it very quickly. That's the scienti . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Will you be ready to be killed if I say that "I shall kill you quickly. You will not understand that . . ."? Will you be ready?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Will you be ready to be killed if I say that "I shall kill you quickly. You will not understand that . . ."? Will you be ready?

	'''Harikeśa:''' No.		'''Harikeśa:''' No.
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So the desire to be worshiped is unnatural.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So the desire to be worshiped is unnatural.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (to Indian man entering:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. ''Jaya''. This is the beginning of devotion, to be submissive. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]). This is the beginning, ''praṇipāta''. This is ''praṇipāta'', fall down, full surrender. That you have . . . therefore you are making progress. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena''. Question? ''Praṇipātena paripraśnena''. ''Praṇipāta ''is done. Now you can question.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (to Indian man entering:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. ''Jaya''. This is the beginning of devotion, to be submissive. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]). This is the beginning, ''praṇipāta''. This is ''praṇipāta'', fall down, full surrender. That you have . . . therefore you are making progress. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena''. Question? ''Praṇipātena paripraśnena''. ''Praṇipāta ''is done. Now you can question.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Do you have any question?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Do you have any question?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is generated from dog originally.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is generated from dog originally.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The disease?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' The disease?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' In the Western countries, people are taught that if there is some difficulty they should not try to accept it. They should try to change the situation.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' In the Western countries, people are taught that if there is some difficulty they should not try to accept it. They should try to change the situation.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But you cannot change. What is the answer for that? Nobody has been able to change the situation. Who has been able to change the situation? Apart from birth and death, where is the change of situation that there is no more disease? So advanced in science. So why the change of situation is not there? Why people are suffering? You are creating hospital. That's all right. But where is this process that no more disease? Where is the change of situation? That is called ''punaḥ punaś carvita carvaṇānam ''([[SB 7.5.30\|SB 7.5.30]]), chewing the chewed. They cannot change the situation, and trying again and again, hope against hope. This is their foolishness. Nobody is able to change the situation. ''Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā dura ''. . . ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). That is not possible, but they will not take it. "Yes, we are trying. Yes, we are trying." Dog's obstinacy. What you are trying? In the history there is no such instance that you have been able to change. It is not possible.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But you cannot change. What is the answer for that? Nobody has been able to change the situation. Who has been able to change the situation? Apart from birth and death, where is the change of situation that there is no more disease? So advanced in science. So why the change of situation is not there? Why people are suffering? You are creating hospital. That's all right. But where is this process that no more disease? Where is the change of situation? That is called ''punaḥ punaś carvita carvaṇānam ''([[SB 7.5.30\|SB 7.5.30]]), chewing the chewed. They cannot change the situation, and trying again and again, hope against hope. This is their foolishness. Nobody is able to change the situation. ''Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā dura '' . . . ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). That is not possible, but they will not take it. "Yes, we are trying. Yes, we are trying." Dog's obstinacy. What you are trying? In the history there is no such instance that you have been able to change. It is not possible.

	'''Harikeśa:''' Well, now medical science is so advanced that even if you have heart disease they can give you another heart.		'''Harikeśa:''' Well, now medical science is so advanced that even if you have heart disease they can give you another heart.
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' But they will say that the duration of life years ago was much shorter than it is now, that now the duration of life is sixty-five or seventy years average.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' But they will say that the duration of life years ago was much shorter than it is now, that now the duration of life is sixty-five or seventy years average.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be in few cases. Generally the duration of life is reduced. Nobody lives nowadays like his forefather. So where is extension? It is reduced. And what is the extension? In old age the body becomes subjected to so many ailments. What is the use of living with ailments, with toothache (chuckles) and many other things? What is the use of such life? Better die young, in good health, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the use of prolonged life? The prolonged life . . . the trees are also prolonged life. Does it mean it is happy? They live for five hundred years . . . five thousand years. Hundred, two hundred years' living for tree is not at all difficult. But they live for thousands of years. So is it very pleasing to live like a tree for many thousands of years? Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That may be in few cases. Generally the duration of life is reduced. Nobody lives nowadays like his forefather. So where is extension? It is reduced. And what is the extension? In old age the body becomes subjected to so many ailments. What is the use of living with ailments, with toothache (chuckles) and many other things? What is the use of such life? Better die young, in good health, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the use of prolonged life? The prolonged life . . . the trees are also prolonged life. Does it mean it is happy? They live for five hundred years . . . five thousand years. Hundred, two hundred years' living for tree is not at all difficult. But they live for thousands of years. So is it very pleasing to live like a tree for many thousands of years? Hmm?

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' No.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' No.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why do they propose, "Prolong life"? What is the use of such prolonged life, stand up in a place without any power to move an inch, and suffer all climatic disturbances? Is that very good life? Everyone is . . . even if he lives for more years, the bodily, mental and external sufferings will be there. What is the use of living such prolonged life? Hmm? Prolonged life, does it guarantee that these three kinds of miseries—bodily, mental and external, natural; there are so many disturbances—he will be free from all these disturbances? Simply dog's obstinacy, that's all.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why do they propose, "Prolong life"? What is the use of such prolonged life, stand up in a place without any power to move an inch, and suffer all climatic disturbances? Is that very good life? Everyone is . . . even if he lives for more years, the bodily, mental and external sufferings will be there. What is the use of living such prolonged life? Hmm? Prolonged life, does it guarantee that these three kinds of miseries—bodily, mental and external, natural; there are so many disturbances—he will be free from all these disturbances? Simply dog's obstinacy, that's all.

	'''Harikeśa:''' There's a Greek fable about that. There's a Greek fable that this one lady got some benediction that she would live forever, except she forgot to ask for eternal youth.		'''Harikeśa:''' There's a Greek fable about that. There's a Greek fable that this one lady got some benediction that she would live forever, except she forgot to ask for eternal youth.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is destined to live for a certain period. You cannot prolong it, neither reduce it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Everyone is destined to live for a certain period. You cannot prolong it, neither reduce it.

	'''Harikeśa:''' What about all these sufferings of the body? Let's say one has a toothache or something like that. If . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' What about all these sufferings of the body? Let's say one has a toothache or something like that. If . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That I have already said, that as soon as you accept this material body, you must suffer. That is the way.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. That I have already said, that as soon as you accept this material body, you must suffer. That is the way.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Four million dollars. (break)

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . also a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' . . . also a Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' And the slaughterhouse?		'''Prabhupāda:''' And the slaughterhouse?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is their civilization. "Killing is not cruelty."		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is their civilization. "Killing is not cruelty."

	'''Harikeśa:''' They don't do it cruelly. They do it very quickly. That's the scienti . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' They don't do it cruelly. They do it very quickly. That's the scienti . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Will you be ready to be killed if I say that "I shall kill you quickly. You will not understand that . . ."? Will you be ready?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Will you be ready to be killed if I say that "I shall kill you quickly. You will not understand that . . ."? Will you be ready?

	'''Harikeśa:''' No.		'''Harikeśa:''' No.
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So the desire to be worshiped is unnatural.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' So the desire to be worshiped is unnatural.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (to Indian man entering:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. ''Jaya''. This is the beginning of devotion, to be submissive. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]). This is the beginning, ''praṇipāta''. This is ''praṇipāta'', fall down, full surrender. That you have . . . therefore you are making progress. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena''. Question? ''Praṇipātena paripraśnena''. ''Praṇipāta ''is done. Now you can question.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (to Indian man entering:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. ''Jaya''. This is the beginning of devotion, to be submissive. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]). This is the beginning, ''praṇipāta''. This is ''praṇipāta'', fall down, full surrender. That you have . . . therefore you are making progress. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena''. Question? ''Praṇipātena paripraśnena''. ''Praṇipāta ''is done. Now you can question.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Do you have any question?		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Do you have any question?
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	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there is fire. Yesterday, few weeks ago, across the street in the field there was a bush fire.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there is fire. Yesterday, few weeks ago, across the street in the field there was a bush fire.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is another thing. But in your country, always fire brigade: "''Dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-tunga-tunga-tunga-gara-gara-gara''. . ." going like that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is another thing. But in your country, always fire brigade: "''Dung-dung-dung-dung-dung-tunga-tunga-tunga-gara-gara-gara'' . . ." going like that.

	'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there is always fires in America.		'''Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there is always fires in America.

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