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	'''Paramahaṁsa:''' Wow.		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' Wow.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is our position. Therefore it is said: "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." That I was thinking in the beginning, that "I have come here as wise man . . . (indistinct) . . . how these rascals will accept? They are so much addicted to all these things." I never expected that anyone will accept it. It is simply Kṛṣṇa's grace that some of you have accepted it; otherwise I was hopeless. Bon Mahārāja was hopeless. He left, and so many big, big horses came, and I was a little horse . . . <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Boro boro ghoda gelo rasatal, beto ghoda bole koto jol.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Big big horses got swept away but the pony wants to know how much water is there.)</span> Horse, they’re swimmer. But the stream was so strong, big, big horses were carried away. And one pony, he came, "Can you tell me how much water is there?" That means he wants to cross over. He was informed that many, many big horses, they jumped over and were carried away, but still he stayed. So my position was like that. Big, big Vivekananda and so on and so on, so many came, and they became victimized themselves. Instead of stopping illicit sex he became subject to illicit sex, and when he returned India he brought with him two women secretaries and intimate companions. That was Vivekananda. One was Sister Nivedita, and another was some other obscure, some. He could not find any male disciples. He took to cheat women. This is Vivekananda's achievement . . . (indistinct) . . . when he retired, two women, and one of them was very intimately connected. This is . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is our position. Therefore it is said: "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." That I was thinking in the beginning, that "I have come here as wise man . . . (indistinct) . . . how these rascals will accept? They are so much addicted to all these things." I never expected that anyone will accept it. It is simply Kṛṣṇa's grace that some of you have accepted it; otherwise I was hopeless. Bon Mahārāja was hopeless. He left, and so many big, big horses came, and I was a little horse . . . <span style="color:#ec710e">Boro boro ghoda gelo rasatal, beto ghoda bole koto jol.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Big big horses got swept away but the pony wants to know how much water is there.)</span> Horse, they’re swimmer. But the stream was so strong, big, big horses were carried away. And one pony, he came, "Can you tell me how much water is there?" That means he wants to cross over. He was informed that many, many big horses, they jumped over and were carried away, but still he stayed. So my position was like that. Big, big Vivekananda and so on and so on, so many came, and they became victimized themselves. Instead of stopping illicit sex he became subject to illicit sex, and when he returned India he brought with him two women secretaries and intimate companions. That was Vivekananda. One was Sister Nivedita, and another was some other obscure, some. He could not find any male disciples. He took to cheat women. This is Vivekananda's achievement . . . (indistinct) . . . when he retired, two women, and one of them was very intimately connected. This is . . .

	'''Paramahaṁsa:''' The more that people accept and understand what you are teaching, the more dangerous you will be seen.		'''Paramahaṁsa:''' The more that people accept and understand what you are teaching, the more dangerous you will be seen.
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	'''Indian Lady:''' . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian Lady:''' . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?

	'''Indian lady:''' Ah, Bālajī.		'''Indian lady:''' Ah, Bālajī.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . cannot say sometimes it is dark. (coughs) Is that truth, that sun is sometimes dark, sometimes light? This is their intelligence. But we have to be guided by these rascals. That is the dangerous position in the modern world. All the leaders are rascals: religious, political, social. Any field of activities, just try to advise us. Now this Indira Gandhi is convicted: "You must leave your post. It is taken." Just see, (s)he is the guidance of the whole nation, and (s)he is a culprit. Where is that, the secure? The mother is killing child, you see. And the prime minister is a thief; the president is a rogue. This is the . . . In your country, big country, and a big rogue. And India, it is big country also, culture, there is a thief. The mother is the best shelter for child. She is mother, then where is protection? (child crying in background) This is going on. The mother is no more shelter; the king is no more protector. Then? Where is shelter? This is the . . . and long, long ago, at least three thousand years ago, Cāṇakya Paṇḍita warned, ''viśvāso naiva kartavyaḥ strīṣu rāja-kuleṣu ca'': "Government men and women should not be trusted." This is the . . . and this, they elected the woman politician. Why she does become victim? (devotee laughs)		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . cannot say sometimes it is dark. (coughs) Is that truth, that sun is sometimes dark, sometimes light? This is their intelligence. But we have to be guided by these rascals. That is the dangerous position in the modern world. All the leaders are rascals: religious, political, social. Any field of activities, just try to advise us. Now this Indira Gandhi is convicted: "You must leave your post. It is taken." Just see, (s)he is the guidance of the whole nation, and (s)he is a culprit. Where is that, the secure? The mother is killing child, you see. And the prime minister is a thief; the president is a rogue. This is the . . . in your country, big country, and a big rogue. And India, it is big country also, culture, there is a thief. The mother is the best shelter for child. She is mother, then where is protection? (child crying in background) This is going on. The mother is no more shelter; the king is no more protector. Then? Where is shelter? This is the . . . and long, long ago, at least three thousand years ago, Cāṇakya Paṇḍita warned, ''viśvāso naiva kartavyaḥ strīṣu rāja-kuleṣu ca'': "Government men and women should not be trusted." This is the . . . and this, they elected the woman politician. Why she does become victim? (devotee laughs)

	I think yesterday I was talking that this Indira Gandhi was going to the hospital for abortion, twice times in a year. That is discussed . . . (indistinct) . . . there are many, Indira Gandhi—we don't wish to discuss—but she is, that is . . . she has no culture, no character, she's not very much educated. But anyway, so-called education, what is the value? And she is leader. Whatever she says, that is final. I think somebody told me that Nixon, "Resign on condition from . . . (indistinct)"		I think yesterday I was talking that this Indira Gandhi was going to the hospital for abortion, twice times in a year. That is discussed . . . (indistinct) . . . there are many, Indira Gandhi—we don't wish to discuss—but she is, that is . . . she has no culture, no character, she's not very much educated. But anyway, so-called education, what is the value? And she is leader. Whatever she says, that is final. I think somebody told me that Nixon, "Resign on condition from . . . (indistinct)"
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Namaskāra.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Namaskāra.

	'''Indian ~~'''~~Lady:~~'''~~''' . . . (indistinct)		'''Indian Lady:''' . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Namaskāra.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Namaskāra.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Accha. Besh . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. Fine . . .)</span> Bālajī?

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Aiye''. Yesterday you were talking about the philosophy of not the person but the soul who is in the person, like that. What did you say, Gaurasundara told you?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Aiye''. Yesterday you were talking about the philosophy of not the person but the soul who is in the person, like that. What did you say, Gaurasundara told you?

	Govinda dāsī: That the principle . . . it's the principle of ''guru'', not the person. In other words, not . . . you're saying that to worship and serve you directly as Śrīla Prabhupāda as the personality that we know and love is . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' That the principle . . . it's the principle of ''guru'', not the person. In other words, not . . . you're saying that to worship and serve you directly as Śrīla Prabhupāda as the personality that we know and love is . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So he is following the principles of ''guru's'' instruction?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So he is following the principles of ''guru's'' instruction?

	Govinda dāsī: Well, he doesn't . . . he's changing all the time.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' Well, he doesn't . . . he's changing all the time.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (laughing) Then what is the use?		'''Prabhupāda:''' (laughing) Then what is the use?

	Govinda dāsī: So it's not . . . I expect him to continue to change. But this is just what he is most . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' So it's not . . . I expect him to continue to change. But this is just what he is most . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Change means he has no knowledge. He has not taken any knowledge. Change means that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Change means he has no knowledge. He has not taken any knowledge. Change means that.

	Govinda dāsī: In other words, he is saying that the . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' In other words, he is saying that the . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But what is the use of his saying, if he is saying today something, tomorrow he will say something else? What is the use of his saying?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But what is the use of his saying, if he is saying today something, tomorrow he will say something else? What is the use of his saying?

	Govinda dāsī: Well, there are a number of people who also accept what he is saying.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' Well, there are a number of people who also accept what he is saying.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. One fool is followed by another. That is another thing. But with this changing, then what is the value of his saying? And apart from that, there is Radhakrishnan's statement that Lord Kṛṣṇa, the person, er, the spirit within. That is Radhakrishnan's philosophy. This is not applicable to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa . . . we have got inside soul; outside, this material body. Kṛṣṇa is all-spiritual, therefore He has no such distinction, "inside" or "outside." We conditioned souls, we are inside, the soul; outside, this material body. And it is changing. Today I have got this body, next another body, next another body. Therefore I as spirit soul, Brahman, I am different from my body. Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Kṛṣṇa has no changing. He is Supreme Brahman. He hasn't got to change. Without changing He can be present anywhere and everywhere. That is His . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. One fool is followed by another. That is another thing. But with this changing, then what is the value of his saying? And apart from that, there is Radhakrishnan's statement that Lord Kṛṣṇa, the person, er, the spirit within. That is Radhakrishnan's philosophy. This is not applicable to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa . . . we have got inside soul; outside, this material body. Kṛṣṇa is all-spiritual, therefore He has no such distinction, "inside" or "outside." We conditioned souls, we are inside, the soul; outside, this material body. And it is changing. Today I have got this body, next another body, next another body. Therefore I as spirit soul, Brahman, I am different from my body. Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Kṛṣṇa has no changing. He is Supreme Brahman. He hasn't got to change. Without changing He can be present anywhere and everywhere. That is His . . .
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	Paramahaṁsa: Gaurasundara is using . . . Kṛṣṇa as separate from His body?		Paramahaṁsa: Gaurasundara is using . . . Kṛṣṇa as separate from His body?

	Govinda dāsī: No, the spiritual master is not, I don't think . . . the spiritual master should not be served on the material platform but like we are serving. He considers all this on the material platform, our service to you directly, our service to Your Divine Grace.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' No, the spiritual master is not, I don't think . . . the spiritual master should not be served on the material platform but like we are serving. He considers all this on the material platform, our service to you directly, our service to Your Divine Grace.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he does not know . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then he does not know . . .

	Govinda dāsī: That's a low-level sentiment.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' That's a low-level sentiment.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Spiritual activities are not on the material platform.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Spiritual activities are not on the material platform.

	Govinda dāsī: The spiritual master is not to be considered . . . (sounds in background)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' The spiritual master is not to be considered . . . (sounds in background)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Why don't you take one ''almirah''? This big ''almirah''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Why don't you take one ''almirah''? This big ''almirah''?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So that "inside," "outside" is not for Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So that "inside," "outside" is not for Kṛṣṇa.

	Govinda dāsī: It's not for the spiritual master either.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' It's not for the spiritual master either.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, not for the spiritual master.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, not for the spiritual master.

	Govinda dāsī: It's not to be applied to the spiritual master.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' It's not to be applied to the spiritual master.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

	Govinda dāsī: It's not to be applied to the spiritual master, either, just like . . . (indistinct)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' It's not to be applied to the spiritual master, either, just like . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Govinda dāsī: The spiritual master is not to be considered . . . I mean, I consider you to be completely on the spiritual platform . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' The spiritual master is not to be considered . . . I mean, I consider you to be completely on the spiritual platform . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That I have already explained: ''sākṣād-dharitvena''. He is directly like. That is to be understood. That's a fact. If somebody thinks that he has got a material body, even if one thinks that is material body, that body is not acting materially. The body is acting as spiritual. So even you say that he has got a material body, the body is no more acting materially—therefore it is spiritual.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That I have already explained: ''sākṣād-dharitvena''. He is directly like. That is to be understood. That's a fact. If somebody thinks that he has got a material body, even if one thinks that is material body, that body is not acting materially. The body is acting as spiritual. So even you say that he has got a material body, the body is no more acting materially—therefore it is spiritual.
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	Paramahaṁsa: Yes . . . (indistinct)		Paramahaṁsa: Yes . . . (indistinct)

	Govinda dāsī: And he also, this attitude . . . and this has been ever since he first left, since the first time, when he first left, and has continued as his attitude. Since the first time actually he took . . . (indistinct)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' And he also, this attitude . . . and this has been ever since he first left, since the first time, when he first left, and has continued as his attitude. Since the first time actually he took . . . (indistinct)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Even Vaiṣṇava . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Even Vaiṣṇava . . .

	Govinda dāsī: . . . that all spiritual masters are the same.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' . . . that all spiritual masters are the same.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vaiṣṇava . . . vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhi'': anything that is spiritually engaged, that is spiritual. Why the spiritual master? Anything. Now this table (knocks on table), it is used for spiritual purpose—therefore it is spiritual. The temple . . . why the temple was? Because temple is not an ordinary thing. It is used for spiritual purpose. Everything is used.		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Vaiṣṇava . . . vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhi'': anything that is spiritually engaged, that is spiritual. Why the spiritual master? Anything. Now this table (knocks on table), it is used for spiritual purpose—therefore it is spiritual. The temple . . . why the temple was? Because temple is not an ordinary thing. It is used for spiritual purpose. Everything is used.
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	Paramahaṁsa: Is that what Siddha says?		Paramahaṁsa: Is that what Siddha says?

	Govinda dāsī: Siddha? More or less.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' Siddha? More or less.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' But that is the way, that . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' But that is the way, that . . .

	Govinda dāsī: That all the ways are the same. That . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' That all the ways are the same. That . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' "You are perfect, I am perfect." If I say you are imperfect, then I become.		'''Prabhupāda:''' "You are perfect, I am perfect." If I say you are imperfect, then I become.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' He's wrong! (laughter)		'''Prabhupāda:''' He's wrong! (laughter)

	Govinda dāsī: The thing is accepted . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' The thing is accepted . . .

	'''''''''Indian lady:''''''''' Yes. They don't dig up your past, and they don't have to know anything about, so you become more equal with them, and then they accept you as you are. It is working better with the . . .		'''''''''Indian lady:''''''''' Yes. They don't dig up your past, and they don't have to know anything about, so you become more equal with them, and then they accept you as you are. It is working better with the . . .
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why . . . how it is working?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Then why . . . how it is working?

	Govinda dāsī: More or less there are so many . . .		'''Govinda dāsī:''' More or less there are so many . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by working?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What do you mean by working?
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	Paramahaṁsa: Crippled. (laughs) They would say relaxed. Illusioned.		Paramahaṁsa: Crippled. (laughs) They would say relaxed. Illusioned.

	Govinda dāsī: They don't want to be in anxiety.		'''Govinda dāsī:''' They don't want to be in anxiety.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is their opinion.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is their opinion.
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	Paramahaṁsa: Yes. No, I am saying, that . . . yes. (laughs)		Paramahaṁsa: Yes. No, I am saying, that . . . yes. (laughs)

	Govinda dāsī: . . . (indistinct)		'''Govinda dāsī:''' . . . (indistinct)

	Paramahaṁsa: They don't want to hear . . . if you say: "You are going to die," they immediately get mad at you, "Don't tell me about that. I don't want to know about that." (laughter) "I almost forgot. I was just forgetting that." (laughs) People are amazed that we are always talking about death. They don't want to talk about death. They don't want to hear about death. They hide death; they don't want to think of it in any way. But it seems that . . .		Paramahaṁsa: They don't want to hear . . . if you say: "You are going to die," they immediately get mad at you, "Don't tell me about that. I don't want to know about that." (laughter) "I almost forgot. I was just forgetting that." (laughs) People are amazed that we are always talking about death. They don't want to talk about death. They don't want to hear about death. They hide death; they don't want to think of it in any way. But it seems that . . .