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	<span style="color:#ff9933">Pehle to aapko fix-up hona chahiye ki aapko chahiye kya.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(First you have to decide what it is you want.)</span>		<span style="color:#ff9933">Pehle to aapko fix-up hona chahiye ki aapko chahiye kya.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(First you have to decide what it is that you want.)</span>

	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Aur Prabhupāda, ye sākār aur nirākār me kaafi matbhed chalta hai. Sākār samne pratyaksh murti rakne se, hriday me dhyan ekatrit karke aur kendrit karke hum puja kar sakte hain, bhakti kar sakte hain, lekin nirākār me dhyan nahi jamta hai. To apka iske bare me kya vichar hai aur . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(And ~~Prabhupada~~, there is a lot of difference of opinion in form and formless. In form, we can keep the Deity in front of us, meditate in our mind and worship the Deity and do devotion but in formless we cannot meditate. So what is your view on this and . . .)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Aur Prabhupāda, ye sākār aur nirākār me kaafi matbhed chalta hai. Sākār samne pratyaksh murti rakne se, hriday me dhyan ekatrit karke aur kendrit karke hum puja kar sakte hain, bhakti kar sakte hain, lekin nirākār me dhyan nahi jamta hai. To apka iske bare me kya vichar hai aur . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(And Prabhupāda, there is a lot of difference of opinion in the form and formless formless feature of the Lord. In the form, we can keep the Deity in front of us, meditate in our mind and worship the Deity and do devotion but in formless we cannot meditate. So what is your view on this and . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye nirākār ka arth pehle samajhiye. Nirākār aakār ko nakharch kar dena, Nirākār - aakar hai baki usko nakharch karke . . . (indistinct) . . . To bhagvan jo hai wo dekhta ~~hia~~ baki uska aankh nahi hai. Aise ye sab vichar, to ab sochna chahihye ki aankh nahi hai to dekhta kaise hai, ye vichar karna hai (verse). Ye achaksur jo hai nirākār hai aur pashyati jo hai wo aakār.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Try to understand the meaning of the word formless first. Formless is to ~~. . .~~ the form, form is there but . . . ~~like it is there in the living entities~~ (~~verse~~). ~~God sees through his~~ eyes ~~(verse)~~ thoughts ~~like these. So you must think that~~ if ~~He does not have~~ eyes then how ~~can He see? This thought~~. (verse) ~~Without eyes~~ is formless and pashyati is ~~with~~ form.)</span> <span style="color:#ff9933">Isliye aapko nischay karna chahiye ki bhagvan dekhta hai, baki wo unka hamara jaisa aankh nahi hai, ye nirākār hai. Hum jaise dekh rahe hain, ye kamre ke bhitar sab dekh rahe hain aur diwar ke udhar kya hai dekh nahi sakte. Aur jo bhagvan hai wo sab dekhta hai (verse) sab jagah unka haat hai , pair hai. Isliye vichar karna chahiye ki bhagvan ka haat, pair sabhi hai baki hamare jaise nahin hai. Ye vichar karna chahiye. Jo ye hamara jaise hai hi nahi wo nirākār hai aur unka jo haat-pair hai wo aakār. Isliye shastra me bataya hai 'ISVARA PARAMA KRISHNA SACHIDANANDA VIGRAHA ANADIR AADIR GOVINDA SARVA KARANA KARANAM'. Unka jo vigrah hai, aakār hai wo sacidanand hai, sac-cit-anand. To jahan sacidanand kaha gaya hai ye jo sharir hai ye nirākār hai, kyunki ye jo sharir hai ye sat nahi hai, asat, (verse). Ye sharir to naash ho jayega. Bhagvan ka sharir hai baki maas-mans sharir nahi hai. Isliye bhagvan kehte hain mai jab aata hoon to ye moorkh log samjhte hai ki sadharan manushya jaisa hai 'avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā' mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam (BG 9.11).</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have to first be sure that God can see, but he does not have eyes like us, this is formless. Like how we are able to see what is inside this room and not outside. And that God can see everything, (verse) He has hands and legs everywhere. So we must think that His hands and legs are there but not like ours. So one who is not like us is formless and one who has hands and legs has form. Hence it is said in the scriptures that (verse) God's form is Deity, is ''sac-cit-ananda'', full of eternity, knowledge and bliss. So where it is said eternity, knowledge and bliss, then this body is formless because this body is not eternal, it is temporary (verse) This body will perish. God's form is not made of veins and bones. So God says, when I descend these rascals think that I am an ordinary person like them (verse).)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye nirākār ka arth pehle samajhiye. Nirākār aakār ko nakharch kar dena, Nirākār - aakar hai baki usko nakharch karke . . . (indistinct) . . . To bhagvan jo hai wo dekhta hai baki uska aankh nahi hai. Aise ye sab vichar, to ab sochna chahihye ki aankh nahi hai to dekhta kaise hai, ye vichar karna hai (verse). Ye achaksur jo hai nirākār hai aur pashyati jo hai wo aakār.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Try to understand the meaning of the word formless first. Formless means to break the form, form is there but . . . (indistinct) . . . We say the Lord is seeing everything but he doesn't have eyes. These thoughts are going on, now one should contemplate if there are no eyes then how is he seeing, you should think about this. (verse) This 'achaksur' is formless and 'pashyati' is form.)</span>

			<span style="color:#ff9933">Isliye aapko nischay karna chahiye ki bhagvan dekhta hai, baki wo unka hamara jaisa aankh nahi hai, ye nirākār hai. Hum jaise dekh rahe hain, ye kamre ke bhitar sab dekh rahe hain aur diwar ke udhar kya hai dekh nahi sakte. Aur jo bhagvan hai wo sab dekhta hai (verse) sab jagah unka haat hai , pair hai. Isliye vichar karna chahiye ki bhagvan ka haat, pair sabhi hai baki hamare jaise nahin hai. Ye vichar karna chahiye. Jo ye hamara jaise hai hi nahi wo nirākār hai aur unka jo haat-pair hai wo aakār. Isliye shastra me bataya hai 'ISVARA PARAMA KRISHNA SACHIDANANDA VIGRAHA ANADIR AADIR GOVINDA SARVA KARANA KARANAM'. Unka jo vigrah hai, aakār hai wo sacidanand hai, sac-cit-anand. To jahan sacidanand kaha gaya hai ye jo sharir hai ye nirākār hai, kyunki ye jo sharir hai ye sat nahi hai, asat, (verse). Ye sharir to naash ho jayega. Bhagvan ka sharir hai baki maas-mans sharir nahi hai. Isliye bhagvan kehte hain mai jab aata hoon to ye moorkh log samjhte hai ki sadharan manushya jaisa hai 'avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā' mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam (BG 9.11).</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So you have to first be sure that God can see, but he does not have eyes like us, this is formless. Like how we are able to see what is inside this room and not outside. And that God can see everything, (verse) He has hands and legs everywhere. So we must think that His hands and legs are there but not like ours. So one who is not like us is formless and one who has hands and legs has form. Hence it is said in the scriptures that (verse) God's form is Deity, is ''sac-cit-ananda'', full of eternity, knowledge and bliss. So where it is said eternity, knowledge and bliss, then this body is formless because this body is not eternal, it is temporary (verse) This body will perish. God's form is not made of veins and bones. So God says, when I descend these rascals think that I am an ordinary person like them (verse).)</span>
	<span style="color:#ff9933">Kyunki ye do haat-payr leke main aaya hoon to moorkh log samjhte hai ki hamara jaise koi vyakti hai baki wo sachidananda vigrah hai. 'sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā' (BG 4.6) ye sab vachan hai Bhagavad-Gita me. Bhagvan ka jo sharir hai wo hamara jaisa sharir nahi hai 'janma karma ca me divyam' (BG 4.9). To bhagvan ka sharir kya hai usko agar samajh jaye to wo . . . baki wo samajhta nahi hai, wo samajhta hai hamara jaisa vyakti hai aur unko ye mayavadi log kehte hai jab bhagvan aate hai to maya ka sharir dharan karke aate hain. To nirākār ka artha hota hai bhagvan ka bhautik sharir nahi hai. Bhagvan ka sharir hai sac-cit-anand vigraha. Agar sacidanand vigraha nahi hota to 7 varsh ke umar me koi pahad utha sakta hai, boliye.</span>		<span style="color:#ff9933">Kyunki ye do haat-payr leke main aaya hoon to moorkh log samjhte hai ki hamara jaise koi vyakti hai baki wo sachidananda vigrah hai. 'sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā' (BG 4.6) ye sab vachan hai Bhagavad-Gita me. Bhagvan ka jo sharir hai wo hamara jaisa sharir nahi hai 'janma karma ca me divyam' (BG 4.9). To bhagvan ka sharir kya hai usko agar samajh jaye to wo . . . baki wo samajhta nahi hai, wo samajhta hai hamara jaisa vyakti hai aur unko ye mayavadi log kehte hai jab bhagvan aate hai to maya ka sharir dharan karke aate hain. To nirākār ka artha hota hai bhagvan ka bhautik sharir nahi hai. Bhagvan ka sharir hai sac-cit-anand vigraha. Agar sacidanand vigraha nahi hota to 7 varsh ke umar me koi pahad utha sakta hai, boliye.</span>
	<span style="color:#128807">(I am blissful and have appeared with hands and legs, so these rascals think that He is a person like us. (verse). All these statements are given in the ''Bhagavad-gita''. The form of God is not like ours. (verse) So if one understands the form of God then . . . and one who does not understand and thinks He is one like us, they are impersonalists. When God appears He comes in His ''maya'' form, this is the opinion of impersonalists. So what is formless? God does not have material form. God's form is full of eternity, knowledge and bliss. If His form was not eternal, full of knowledge and bliss then how could a 7 year old lift such a big mountain on a little finger, tell me.)</span>		<span style="color:#128807">(I am blissful and have appeared with hands and legs, so these rascals think that He is a person like us. (verse). All these statements are given in the ''Bhagavad-gita''. The form of God is not like ours. (verse) So if one understands the form of God then . . . and one who does not understand and thinks He is one like us, they are impersonalists. When God appears He comes in His ''maya'' form, this is the opinion of impersonalists. So what is formless? God does not have material form. God's form is full of eternity, knowledge and bliss. If His form was not eternal, full of knowledge and bliss then how could a 7 year old lift such a big mountain on a little finger, tell me.)</span>

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Krodh, jaise ~~hanuman~~ ji kiya tha. ~~Krodh me Ravana~~ ka ghar jala diya ~~tha~~. Bina krodh ~~kiye~~ koi ghar ~~aisa~~ jala sakta hai. To ~~ravan~~ ka ghar ~~kyo jala diya.~~ Ye bewakoof Sitaji ko le aaya badmash. Krodh jo rakshas hai, bhagvan ka ~~bhakt pe usko~~ krodh ~~hai~~.Jab ghar jala diya to baki kya hai . . . aur jo bhagvan ko maanta nahi aur bhakt ko takalif deta hai, uske upar khub krodh, ghar jala diya. krodh hai to krodh dikhao. Anisht hai to bhagvan ke liye karo. agar tumhare pas krodh hai to wo krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar hai. Jaise mahajan hai (verse) bade-bade mahajan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai vo jaisejinke pas krodh tha tabhi to . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Anger, how Hanuman had displayed? He had burnt down the palace of Ravana in anger. Can anyone burn down a house without anger? Why did he burn down Ravana's palace? This foolish man kidnapped Sita. Anger is a demoniac quality, he is angry at God's devotees. When he has burnt the palace then what is left? . . . and one who does not believe in God and troubles His devotees, a lot of anger on such a person. Burnt down the house, if you have anger show it for saving devotees, for love of God. Like the great personalities (verse) and the great pastimes they performed . . .)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Krodh, jaise Hanuman ji kiya tha. Jaise Hanuman ji wo Ravan ka ghar jala diya. Bina krodh se koi kisika ghar jala sakta hai? To krodh ka aise vyavahar karo. To Ravan ka ghar kyun jalaya> Ye bewakoof Sitaji ko le aaya, badmash, uska ghar jala diya. Krodh . . . jo rakshas hai, bhagvan ka abhakt hai uske upar khub krodh karo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">()</span>

			'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Jab ghar jala diya to baki kya hai . . . aur jo bhagvan ko maanta nahi aur bhakt ko takalif deta hai, uske upar khub krodh, ghar jala diya. krodh hai to krodh dikhao. Anisht hai to bhagvan ke liye karo. agar tumhare pas krodh hai to wo krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar hai. Jaise mahajan hai (verse) bade-bade mahajan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai vo jaisejinke pas krodh tha tabhi to . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Anger, how Hanuman had displayed? He had burnt down the palace of Ravana in anger. Can anyone burn down a house without anger? Why did he burn down Ravana's palace? This foolish man kidnapped Sita. Anger is a demoniac quality, he is angry at God's devotees. When he has burnt the palace then what is left? . . . and one who does not believe in God and troubles His devotees, a lot of anger on such a person. Burnt down the house, if you have anger show it for saving devotees, for love of God. Like the great personalities (verse) and the great pastimes they performed . . .)</span>

	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batayega.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batayega.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>

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	'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933"> Krodh me to anisht bhi hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In anger, we perform forbidden things sometimes.)</span>		'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933"> Krodh me to anisht bhi hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In anger, we perform forbidden things sometimes.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Anisht hoye chod tum bhagvan ke liye karo. Hum bolta hai agar tumhare pas krodh hai to usko . . . ye krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar karo. Jaise Hanumān ji kiya tha. Hai to Māhājan hai 'Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Bade-bade Māhājan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai . . . wo Hanumān ji ke pas krodh tha tabhi to wo kiya, to apke pas krodh hai ap bhi wese kijiye. Is prakar apka krodh jab vyavahar hojayega fir apko shanti milegi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Leave about the forbidden things, you did it for the Lord. I am saying if you have anger . . . use that anger for the service of Lord. Just like Hanumān did it. He is a self-realized predecessor ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever is done by big big self realized predecessors, devotees . . . Hanumān ji had anger that's why he did it, so if you have anger you also utilize in the same way. In this way when you utilize your anger then you will find peace.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Anisht hoye chod tum bhagvan ke liye karo. Hum bolta hai agar tumhare pas krodh hai to usko . . . ye krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar karo. Jaise Hanumān ji kiya tha. Hai to Māhājan hai 'Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' (CC Madhya 17.186) Bade-bade Māhājan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai . . . wo Hanumān ji ke pas krodh tha tabhi to wo kiya, to apke pas krodh hai ap bhi wese kijiye. Is prakar apka krodh jab vyavahar hojayega fir apko shanti milegi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Leave about the forbidden things, you did it for the Lord. I am saying if you have anger . . . use that anger for the service of Lord. Just like Hanumān did it. He is a self-realized predecessor ''Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever is done by big big self realized predecessors, devotees . . . Hanumān ji had anger that's why he did it, so if you have anger you also utilize in the same way. In this way when you utilize your anger then you will find peace.)</span>

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	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai Bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai Bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kis tarah se leta hai dekhta nahi hai ap, phir kaise batayega apka jab ankh nahi hai. Ye sab kaise leta hai, din bhar kirtan karta hai. Ye koi mushkil hai kya? Dekho wo jaise karta hai waise karo, usme kya hai seekhna? Ye to baccha bhi kar lega. Us din baccha kirtan kiya na, usme seekhne ka kya hai? Jo dekhe usiko karo. Aaiye, han, aiiye. Dekh ke sikhna hota hai, jaise kaunsa bhi sevak hai . . . Hanumān ji se jake seekho . . . Jo dekh ke sikhta hai wo bada chalak hai. Ek aadmi ko zabardasti aise karo-waise karo bolne se sikhta hai to usko der lagta hai aur jo dekh ke sikhta hai jaldi seekh jata hai, wo bada chatur hai. Adarsh . . . adarsh sab cheez ka hai, wo adarsh hum le aaye, yehi humlog ka pantha hai 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'(CC Madhya 17.186). Bade-bade bhakt log jaise rasta dikhaye hain usko anusaran karo sab seekh jaoge. Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā (CC Madhya 17.186) Ye tark karke seekhna, wo tark karenge, hum unse jyada tark karenge, koi aur humse zyada tark karega, usse koi labh nahi hai. Aur yadi ved vedanta padhenge to hum dekhenge ved me kuch aur likha hai aur doosre ved me aur kuch likha hai aur darshnik vichar karenge 'Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) aur ye muni ko daba nahi sakta hai to uska jo philosophy hai wo bhi thik nahi hai aise bata denge.</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kis tarah se leta hai dekhta nahi hai ap, phir kaise batayega apka jab ankh nahi hai. Ye sab kaise leta hai, din bhar kirtan karta hai. Ye koi mushkil hai kya? Dekho wo jaise karta hai waise karo, usme kya hai seekhna? Ye to baccha bhi kar lega. Us din baccha kirtan kiya na, usme seekhne ka kya hai? Jo dekhe usiko karo. Aaiye, han, aiiye. Dekh ke sikhna hota hai, jaise kaunsa bhi sevak hai . . . Hanumān ji se jake seekho . . . Jo dekh ke sikhta hai wo bada chalak hai. Ek aadmi ko zabardasti aise karo-waise karo bolne se sikhta hai to usko der lagta hai aur jo dekh ke sikhta hai jaldi seekh jata hai, wo bada chatur hai. Adarsh . . . adarsh sab cheez ka hai, wo adarsh hum le aaye, yehi humlog ka pantha hai 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' (CC Madhya 17.186). Bade-bade bhakt log jaise rasta dikhaye hain usko anusaran karo sab seekh jaoge. Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā (CC Madhya 17.186) Ye tark karke seekhna, wo tark karenge, hum unse jyada tark karenge, koi aur humse zyada tark karega, usse koi labh nahi hai. Aur yadi ved vedanta padhenge to hum dekhenge ved me kuch aur likha hai aur doosre ved me aur kuch likha hai aur darshnik vichar karenge 'Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'(CC Madhya 17.186) aur ye muni ko daba nahi sakta hai to uska jo philosophy hai wo bhi thik nahi hai aise bata denge.</span>
	<span style="color:#128807">(Aren't you seeing how they are chanting, then how can I explain if you don't have the eyes. How do they chant, they chant the whole day. Is it difficult? See how they are doing, you do like them, what is there to learn in this? Even a child can do this. That day the children chanted, what is there to learn? Whatever you have seen, you should do that. Come, please come. You must see by seeing, just as we have the devotees, go and learn from Hanumān ji . . . one who learns by seeing is very clever. If one forcibly keeps telling you to do like this, like that, then it takes time to learn but one who sees and learns, he learns quickly, he is very intelligent. Everything has got certain principles that we have brought. This is our belief system. ''Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever path the great devotees have shown ,just follow it and you will learn everything. ''Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]])) Learning by giving arguments, he will give some argument, we will then try to add some more argument, and somebody else will give more argument than us, there is no benefit from these arguments. And if we study the ''vedanta'' then we know something else is written in the 'vedas', and in some other 'veda' there is some other thing which is written then we try to think philosophically. ''Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) and if they can't suppress the saint, then whatever philosophy he has given, they just mark it as incorrect.</span>		<span style="color:#128807">(Aren't you seeing how they are chanting, then how can I explain if you don't have the eyes. How do they chant, they chant the whole day. Is it difficult? See how they are doing, you do like them, what is there to learn in this? Even a child can do this. That day the children chanted, what is there to learn? Whatever you have seen, you should do that. Come, please come. You must see by seeing, just as we have the devotees, go and learn from Hanumān ji . . . one who learns by seeing is very clever. If one forcibly keeps telling you to do like this, like that, then it takes time to learn but one who sees and learns, he learns quickly, he is very intelligent. Everything has got certain principles that we have brought. This is our belief system. ''Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever path the great devotees have shown ,just follow it and you will learn everything. ''Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]])) Learning by giving arguments, he will give some argument, we will then try to add some more argument, and somebody else will give more argument than us, there is no benefit from these arguments. And if we study the ''vedanta'' then we know something else is written in the 'vedas', and in some other 'veda' there is some other thing which is written then we try to think philosophically. ''Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) and if they can't suppress the saint, then whatever philosophy he has given, they just mark it as incorrect.</span>

	<span style="color:#ff9933">'Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) isiliye jo dharma vastu hai uska tattva bada gambhir hai. To kis tarah se sikha jaye? 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Bade-bade Māhājan jis tarah se rasta dikhaye hain usko follow karo. Hamare vedic niyam se sab māhān acharya hain, jaise aaj kal pehle Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya, to shastra me sab bataya hai kaun-kaun mahajan hain: 'Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam (ŚB 6.3.20) ye sab Māhājan hain. Naradji hain, Brahmaji hain, Mahadev Shivji hain, aur Kapil hain, Manu hain, Prahlād maharaj hain, Janak māhārāj hain, Bhishmadev hain, dwadash māhājan shastra me bataya gaya hai, wo log jaise jaise kaam kiya hai us tarah se hum log anusaran karen aur unko jo adarsh hai usko follow karen.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(''Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Therefore the matters related to dharma is very deep. So how should we learn it? ''Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) We should follow the path shown by the great self realized personalities. In our Vedic culture we have very great teachers as nowadays the Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya. So all this is mentioned in the scriptures, who are the great personalities, ''Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam'' ([[ŚB 6.3.20]]) these are the great personalities. We have Narad ji, Brahma ji, Mahadev Shiv ji, Kapila muni, Manu, Prahlād Māhārāj, Janak Māhārāj, Bhismadeva, these 12 great personalities are mentioned in the scriptures. We should follow the work they have done and follow their ideals.)</span> Thank you.		<span style="color:#ff9933">'Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ'(CC Madhya 17.186) isiliye jo dharma vastu hai uska tattva bada gambhir hai. To kis tarah se sikha jaye? 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'(CC Madhya 17.186) Bade-bade Māhājan jis tarah se rasta dikhaye hain usko follow karo. Hamare vedic niyam se sab māhān acharya hain, jaise aaj kal pehle Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya, to shastra me sab bataya hai kaun-kaun mahajan hain: 'Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam (ŚB 6.3.20) ye sab Māhājan hain. Naradji hain, Brahmaji hain, Mahadev Shivji hain, aur Kapil hain, Manu hain, Prahlād maharaj hain, Janak māhārāj hain, Bhishmadev hain, dwadash māhājan shastra me bataya gaya hai, wo log jaise jaise kaam kiya hai us tarah se hum log anusaran karen aur unko jo adarsh hai usko follow karen.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(''Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Therefore the matters related to dharma is very deep. So how should we learn it? ''Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ''([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) We should follow the path shown by the great self realized personalities. In our Vedic culture we have very great teachers as nowadays the Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya. So all this is mentioned in the scriptures, who are the great personalities, ''Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam'' ([[ŚB 6.3.20]]) these are the great personalities. We have Narad ji, Brahma ji, Mahadev Shiv ji, Kapila muni, Manu, Prahlād Māhārāj, Janak Māhārāj, Bhismadeva, these 12 great personalities are mentioned in the scriptures. We should follow the work they have done and follow their ideals.)</span> Thank you.

	'''Indian lady:''' . . .(indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Kalyug me kirtan se uddhar ho sakta hai. Bhagwan Kṛṣṇa Gita me kehte hain ki sthita-pragya ke liye dhyan yoga. . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . In Kali yuga by chanting the Lord's name one can be elevated. Lord Kṛṣṇa has said in the ''Gitā'' that for a person to be equipoised . . .)</span>		'''Indian lady:''' . . .(indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Kalyug me kirtan se uddhar ho sakta hai. Bhagwan Kṛṣṇa Gita me kehte hain ki sthita-pragya ke liye dhyan yoga. . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . In Kali yuga by chanting the Lord's name one can be elevated. Lord Kṛṣṇa has said in the ''Gitā'' that for a person to be equipoised . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Wo sthita-pragya ho jayega Rām-naam karo. Bhagvan ka naam karo, bhagvan ka smaran karo. Rām ka naam liya to Rām ka to dhyan ho jayega. Dhanurdhari Rām, Sitāji baithe hain, Hanumān ji baithe hain, Lakshman ji hain, ye sab dhyan hogaya. Kya mushkil hai. Kisi ka naam lene se uska sab kaam dhyan me aata hai ki nahin, usi prakar aap yadi Rām ka naam lenge to sath sath Rām ka dhyan bhi ho jayega (verse). Yadi aap dhyanavastit hokar ke bhagvan ko dhyan karenge to fir yogi hogaye. Aur pehle se thik thak kar liya ki Rām ka haat nahi hai, pair nahi hai, naak nahi hai, aankh nahi hai, to kis par dhyan karnege. To keval klesh hoga. (verse) Bhgavan ka dhyan kijiye, Bhagvan ka naam lijiye, jo hogaya sawar lijiye. Shastra me bataya hai (verse). Dhyan ka, meditation ka arth kya hota hai. Jo man ko sab samay bhagvan ke charan me laga deta hai ye samadhi hai.</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Wo sthita-pragya ho jayega Rām-naam karo. Bhagvan ka naam karo, bhagvan ka smaran karo. Rām ka naam liya to Rām ka to dhyan ho jayega. Dhanurdhari Rām, Sitāji baithe hain, Hanumān ji baithe hain, Lakshman ji hain, ye sab dhyan hogaya. Kya mushkil hai. Kisi ka naam lene se uska sab kaam dhyan me aata hai ki nahin, usi prakar aap yadi Rām ka naam lenge to sath sath Rām ka dhyan bhi ho jayega (verse). Yadi aap dhyanavastit hokar ke bhagvan ko dhyan karenge to fir yogi hogaye. Aur pehle se thik thak kar liya ki Rām ka haat nahi hai, pair nahi hai, naak nahi hai, aankh nahi hai, to kis par dhyan karnege. To keval klesh hoga. (verse) Bhgavan ka dhyan kijiye, Bhagvan ka naam lijiye, jo hogaya sawar lijiye. Shastra me bataya hai (verse). Dhyan ka, meditation ka arth kya hota hai. Jo man ko sab samay bhagvan ke charan me laga deta hai ye samadhi hai.</span>
	<span style="color:#128807">(Chant the names of the Lord and you will become equipoised. Take the names of the Lord, remember Him. If you chant the names of		<span style="color:#128807">(Chant the names of the Lord and you will become equipoised. Take the names of the Lord, remember Him. If you chant the names of Lord Rāma then automatically meditation happens on Lord Lord Rāma. Lord Rāma with bow and arrow, Sitā seated next to Him, Hanumān ji is also sitting and Lakshman is there, all this is meditation. What is the difficulty? When you take a person's name, all his activities will come to your mind or not. Similarly if you take Lord Rāma's name then automatically you will meditate on the Lord. (verse). If you meditate with single minded devotion towards to Lord then you will become a yogi. And beforehand if you fix that Lord Rāma does not have hands, does not have legs, does not either eyes or ears then what will you meditate on. Then there will be only tribulation. (verse). Meditate on the Lord, take the names of the Lord, fix everything. In the scriptures it is said (verse). What is the meaning of meditation? One who focuses his mind all the time on the lotus feet of the Lord, that is trance.)</span>
	Lord Rāma then automatically happens on Lord Lord Rāma. Lord Rāma with bow and arrow, Sitā seated next to Him, Hanumān ji is also sitting and Lakshman is there, all this is meditation. What is the difficulty? When you take a person's name, all his activities will come to your mind or not. Similarly if you take
	Lord Rāma's name then ~~you~~ automatically you will meditate on the Lord. (verse). If you meditate with single minded devotion towards to Lord then you will become a yogi. And beforehand if you fix that Lord Rāma does not have hands, does not have legs, does not either eyes or ears then what will you meditate on. Then there will be only tribulation. (verse). Meditate on the Lord, take the names of the Lord, fix everything. In the scriptures it is said (verse). What is the meaning of meditation? One who focuses his mind all the time on the lotus feet of the Lord, that is trance.)</span>

	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bhagvan ki siddhi aur moksh prapt karne ke raste ek hi hai ya alag-alag?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are the ways of obtaining mystic powers and liberation one and the same?)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bhagvan ki siddhi aur moksh prapt karne ke raste ek hi hai ya alag-alag?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are the ways of obtaining mystic powers and liberation one and the same?)</span>

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	'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kabhi kabhi bahut jyada krodh ata hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I get very angry sometimes.)</span>		'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kabhi kabhi bahut jyada krodh ata hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I get very angry sometimes.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut karo, jab ghar jala diya to baki kya reh hai . . . Abhi krodh kitna ho sakta hai? Utna krodh kahan ayega? Ap kisika ghar jala sakti ho? ~~Hanuman~~ ji ne kiya tha isliye Hanumān ji ka aj tak puja karte hain, kyunki krodh kiya tha. Bichare vendanta ko nahi padha tha, padhe to jane Krodh kiya lekin Rām ke liye, apne liye nahi kiya. Krodha ka vyavahr hai bhagwan ke liye. Jo Bhagvan ko maanta nahi aur bhakt ko takalif deta hai, uske upar khub krodh kijiye, ghar jala dijiye. Krodh ka bhi vyavahr hai, krodh hai to krodh dikhao kahan tak hai krodh.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut karo, jab ghar jala diya to baki kya reh hai . . . Abhi krodh kitna ho sakta hai? Utna krodh kahan ayega? Ap kisika ghar jala sakti ho? Hanumān ji ne kiya tha isliye Hanumān ji ka aj tak puja karte hain, kyunki krodh kiya tha. Bichare vendanta ko nahi padha tha, padhe to jane Krodh kiya lekin Rām ke liye, apne liye nahi kiya. Krodha ka vyavahr hai bhagwan ke liye. Jo Bhagvan ko maanta nahi aur bhakt ko takalif deta hai, uske upar khub krodh kijiye, ghar jala dijiye. Krodh ka bhi vyavahr hai, krodh hai to krodh dikhao kahan tak hai krodh.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Do more, When he burnt a house, what more is left . . . Now how much high can anger be? Where would you get that much anger? Can you burn down somebody's house? Hanumān ji did it that's why till today he is being worshipped, because he became angry. Poor guys, they dont read the scriptures, if they read they will get to know that he displayed anger but only for Rāma, not for himself. The use of anger is done for Lord's service. The one who does not believe in God, and gives trouble to devotees, you should be very angry with them, you should burn down their houses. There is proper use of anger as well. If you have anger then display that anger.)</span>

	'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933"> Krodh me to anisht bhi hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In anger, we perform forbidden things sometimes.)</span>		'''Indian lady:''' <span style="color:#ff9933"> Krodh me to anisht bhi hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In anger, we perform forbidden things sometimes.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Anisht hoye chod tum bhagvan ke liye karo. Hum bolta hai agar tumhare pas krodh hai to usko . . . ye krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar karo. Jaise Hanumān ji kiya tha. Hai to Māhājan hai 'Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' (CC Madhya 17.186) Bade-bade Māhājan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai . . . wo Hanumān ji ke pas krodh tha tabhi to wo kiya, to apke pas krodh hai ap bhi wese kijiye. Is prakar apka krodh jab vyavahar hojayega fir apko shanti milegi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">( ~~When he has burnt~~ the ~~palace then what is left?~~ . . . ~~and one who does not believe in God and troubles His devotees, a lot~~ of ~~anger on such~~ a ~~person~~. ~~Burnt down the house~~, if you have anger ~~show it for saving devotees, for love of God. Like~~ the ~~great personalities (verse) and the great pastimes they performed .~~ . .)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Anisht hoye chod tum bhagvan ke liye karo. Hum bolta hai agar tumhare pas krodh hai to usko . . . ye krodh bhagvan ke liye vyavahar karo. Jaise Hanumān ji kiya tha. Hai to Māhājan hai 'Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Bade-bade Māhājan bhakt log jaise kaam kiya hai . . . wo Hanumān ji ke pas krodh tha tabhi to wo kiya, to apke pas krodh hai ap bhi wese kijiye. Is prakar apka krodh jab vyavahar hojayega fir apko shanti milegi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Leave about the forbidden things, you did it for the Lord. I am saying if you have anger . . . use that anger for the service of Lord. Just like Hanumān did it. He is a self-realized predecessor 'Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ' ([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever is done by big big self realized predecessors, devotees . . . Hanumān ji had anger that's why he did it, so if you have anger you also utilize in the same way. In this way when you utilize your anger then you will find peace.)</span>

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	'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai Bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kehta hai Bhagvan ka naam kis tarah liya jata hai mujhe batao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He wants to know how to chant the name of the Lord.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kis tarah se leta hai dekhta nahi hai ap, phir kaise batayega apka jab ankh nahi hai. Ye sab kaise leta hai, din bhar kirtan karta hai. Ye koi mushkil hai kya? Dekho wo jaise karta hai waise karo, usme kya hai seekhna? Ye to baccha bhi kar lega. Us din baccha kirtan kiya na, usme seekhne ka kya hai? Jo dekhe usiko karo. Aaiye, han, aiiye. Dekh ke sikhna hota hai, jaise kaunsa bhi sevak hai . . . Hanumān ji se jake seekho . . . Jo dekh ke sikhta hai wo bada chalak hai. Ek aadmi ko zabardasti aise karo-waise karo bolne se sikhta hai to usko der lagta hai aur jo dekh ke sikhta hai jaldi seekh jata hai, wo bada chatur hai. Adarsh . . . adarsh sab cheez ka hai, wo adarsh hum le aaye, yehi humlog ka pantha hai 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'(CC Madhya 17.186). Bade-bade bhakt log jaise rasta dikhaye hain usko anusaran karo sab seekh jaoge. Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā (CC Madhya 17.186) Ye tark karke seekhna, wo tark karenge, hum unse jyada tark karenge, koi aur humse zyada tark karega, usse koi labh nahi hai. Aur yadi ved vedanta padhenge to hum dekhenge ved me kuch aur likha hai aur doosre ved me aur kuch likha hai ~~(CC Madhya 17.186)~~ aur darshnik vichar karenge 'Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'(CC Madhya 17.186) aur ye muni ko daba nahi sakta hai to uska jo philosophy hai wo bhi thik nahi hai aise bata denge.</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Kis tarah se leta hai dekhta nahi hai ap, phir kaise batayega apka jab ankh nahi hai. Ye sab kaise leta hai, din bhar kirtan karta hai. Ye koi mushkil hai kya? Dekho wo jaise karta hai waise karo, usme kya hai seekhna? Ye to baccha bhi kar lega. Us din baccha kirtan kiya na, usme seekhne ka kya hai? Jo dekhe usiko karo. Aaiye, han, aiiye. Dekh ke sikhna hota hai, jaise kaunsa bhi sevak hai . . . Hanumān ji se jake seekho . . . Jo dekh ke sikhta hai wo bada chalak hai. Ek aadmi ko zabardasti aise karo-waise karo bolne se sikhta hai to usko der lagta hai aur jo dekh ke sikhta hai jaldi seekh jata hai, wo bada chatur hai. Adarsh . . . adarsh sab cheez ka hai, wo adarsh hum le aaye, yehi humlog ka pantha hai 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'(CC Madhya 17.186). Bade-bade bhakt log jaise rasta dikhaye hain usko anusaran karo sab seekh jaoge. Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā (CC Madhya 17.186) Ye tark karke seekhna, wo tark karenge, hum unse jyada tark karenge, koi aur humse zyada tark karega, usse koi labh nahi hai. Aur yadi ved vedanta padhenge to hum dekhenge ved me kuch aur likha hai aur doosre ved me aur kuch likha hai aur darshnik vichar karenge 'Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) aur ye muni ko daba nahi sakta hai to uska jo philosophy hai wo bhi thik nahi hai aise bata denge.</span>
	<span style="color:#128807">(~~Now~~ they ~~chant~~, ~~you haven't seen? Then~~ how can I ~~tell? Now it~~'~~s okay~~. How do they chant the whole day~~? What is the difficulty in this~~? See how they do, you do like them, what is there to learn ~~from~~ this? ~~This~~ a child can ~~even~~ do. That day the children chanted, what is there to learn? ~~What do~~ you ~~see~~ you ~~learn?~~ Come, please come. You must see ~~and learn whatever activity~~, ~~like how Hanuman performed~~, learn ~~like him . . . how it is~~ . . . one who ~~sees and~~ learns is clever. If one forcibly keeps telling you to do like this, like that, then it takes time to learn~~. And~~ one who sees and learns, ~~is fast and~~ he is intelligent. Everything has got certain principles that we have brought. This is our belief system. (~~verse~~) ~~The~~ great devotees have shown ~~the path~~, just follow it and you will learn everything. (~~verse~~) ~~This type of~~ argument ~~is of no use~~, ~~I argue with you~~, ~~you argue with someone more strongly then that person~~ will ~~argue with someone else much~~ more ~~strongly~~, ~~what~~ is ~~the use?~~ And if we study the ''vedanta'' then something else is written, some other ~~scripture, something else~~ is ~~there~~. (~~verse) Those philosophers will analyze (verse)~~)</span>		<span style="color:#128807">(Aren't you seeing how they are chanting, then how can I explain if you don't have the eyes. How do they chant, they chant the whole day. Is it difficult? See how they are doing, you do like them, what is there to learn in this? Even a child can do this. That day the children chanted, what is there to learn? Whatever you have seen, you should do that. Come, please come. You must see by seeing, just as we have the devotees, go and learn from Hanumān ji . . . one who learns by seeing is very clever. If one forcibly keeps telling you to do like this, like that, then it takes time to learn but one who sees and learns, he learns quickly, he is very intelligent. Everything has got certain principles that we have brought. This is our belief system. 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Whatever path the great devotees have shown ,just follow it and you will learn everything. Tarko ’pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā ([[CC Madhya 17.186]])) Learning by giving arguments, he will give some argument, we will then try to add some more argument, and somebody else will give more argument than us, there is no benefit from these arguments. And if we study the ''vedanta'' then we know something else is written in the 'vedas', and in some other 'veda' there is some other thing which is written then we try to think philosophically. 'Nāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) and if they can't suppress the saint, then whatever philosophy he has given, they just mark it as incorrect.</span>

	<span style="color:#ff9933">'Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ'(CC Madhya 17.186) isiliye jo dharma vastu hai uska tattva bada gambhir hai. To kis tarah se sikha jaye? 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'(CC Madhya 17.186) Bade-bade Māhājan jis tarah se rasta dikhaye hain usko follow karo. Hamare vedic niyam se sab māhān acharya hain, jaise aaj kal pehle Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya, to shastra me sab bataya hai kaun-kaun mahajan hain: '~~svayambhūr~~ nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam (ŚB 6.3.20) ye sab Māhājan hain. Naradji hain, Brahmaji hain, Mahadev Shivji hain, aur Kapil hain, Manu hain, Prahlād maharaj hain, Janak māhārāj hain, Bhishmadev hain, dwadash māhājan shastra me bataya gaya hai, wo log jaise jaise kaam kiya hai us tarah se hum log anusaran karen aur unko jo adarsh hai usko follow karen.</span>		<span style="color:#ff9933">'Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) isiliye jo dharma vastu hai uska tattva bada gambhir hai. To kis tarah se sikha jaye? 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Bade-bade Māhājan jis tarah se rasta dikhaye hain usko follow karo. Hamare vedic niyam se sab māhān acharya hain, jaise aaj kal pehle Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya, to shastra me sab bataya hai kaun-kaun mahajan hain: 'Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam (ŚB 6.3.20) ye sab Māhājan hain. Naradji hain, Brahmaji hain, Mahadev Shivji hain, aur Kapil hain, Manu hain, Prahlād maharaj hain, Janak māhārāj hain, Bhishmadev hain, dwadash māhājan shastra me bataya gaya hai, wo log jaise jaise kaam kiya hai us tarah se hum log anusaran karen aur unko jo adarsh hai usko follow karen.</span> <span style="color:#128807">('Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) Therefore the matters related to dharma is very deep. So how should we learn it? 'Māhājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ'([[CC Madhya 17.186]]) We should follow the path shown by the great self realized personalities. In our Vedic culture we have very great teachers as nowadays the Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya. So all this is mentioned in the scriptures, who are the great personalities, 'Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam ([[ŚB 6.3.20]]) these are the great personalities. We have Narad ji, Brahma ji, Mahadev Shiv ji, Kapila muni, Manu, Prahlād Māhārāj, Janak Māhārāj, Bhismadeva, these 12 great personalities are mentioned in the scriptures. We should follow the work they have done and follow their ideals.)</span> Thank you.
	<span style="color:#128807">(~~One sage cannot suppress the other sage so their philosophy is not correct~~ (~~verse~~) ~~therefore . . .~~ the ~~fact~~ is ~~serious~~. So how should it ~~be taught~~? (~~verse~~) ~~How~~ the great personalities ~~have shown the path, just follow that~~. By our ~~vedic injunctions, all the~~ great ~~personalities are~~ teachers~~. As~~ nowadays the Sri sampradaya, Rudra sampradaya, Brahma sampradaya, Kumar sampradaya. So all this is ~~told~~ in the scriptures, who are the great personalities, (~~verse~~) these are the great personalities. ~~There is~~ Narad, Brahma, Mahadev ~~Shiva~~, Kapila muni, Manu, ~~Prahlad Maharaja~~, Janak ~~Maharaja~~, Bhismadeva, ~~the~~ 12 great personalities mentioned in the scriptures. ~~The way~~ they have ~~stated in the scriptures, you have to follow~~ and follow their ~~principles~~.)</span> Thank you.

	'''Indian lady:''' . . .(indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Kalyug me kirtan se uddhar ho sakta hai. Bhagwan Kṛṣṇa Gita me kehte hain ki sthita-pragya ke liye dhyan yoga. . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . by chanting the Lord's name one can be elevated. In the ''~~Gita~~'' ~~it is said~~ that for a person to be equipoised . . .)</span>		'''Indian lady:''' . . .(indistinct) . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">Kalyug me kirtan se uddhar ho sakta hai. Bhagwan Kṛṣṇa Gita me kehte hain ki sthita-pragya ke liye dhyan yoga. . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . In Kali yuga by chanting the Lord's name one can be elevated. Lord Kṛṣṇa has said in the ''Gitā'' that for a person to be equipoised . . .)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Wo sthita-pragya ho jayega Rām-naam karo. Bhagvan ka naam karo, bhagvan ka smaran karo. Rām ka naam liya to Rām ka to dhyan ho jayega. Dhanurdhari Rām, Sitāji baithe hain, Hanumān ji baithe hain, Lakshman ji hain, ye sab dhyan hogaya. Kya mushkil hai. Kisi ka naam lene se uska sab kaam dhyan me aata hai ki nahin, usi prakar aap yadi Rām ka naam lenge to sath sath Rām ka dhyan bhi ho jayega (verse). Yadi aap dhyanavastit hokar ke bhagvan ko dhyan karenge to fir yogi hogaye. Aur pehle se thik thak kar liya ki Rām ka haat nahi hai, pair nahi hai, naak nahi hai, aankh nahi hai, to kis par dhyan karnege. To keval klesh hoga. (verse) Bhgavan ka dhyan kijiye, Bhagvan ka naam lijiye, jo hogaya sawar lijiye. Shastra me bataya hai (verse). Dhyan ka, meditation ka arth kya hota hai. Jo man ko sab samay bhagvan ke charan me laga deta hai ye samadhi hai.</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Wo sthita-pragya ho jayega Rām-naam karo. Bhagvan ka naam karo, bhagvan ka smaran karo. Rām ka naam liya to Rām ka to dhyan ho jayega. Dhanurdhari Rām, Sitāji baithe hain, Hanumān ji baithe hain, Lakshman ji hain, ye sab dhyan hogaya. Kya mushkil hai. Kisi ka naam lene se uska sab kaam dhyan me aata hai ki nahin, usi prakar aap yadi Rām ka naam lenge to sath sath Rām ka dhyan bhi ho jayega (verse). Yadi aap dhyanavastit hokar ke bhagvan ko dhyan karenge to fir yogi hogaye. Aur pehle se thik thak kar liya ki Rām ka haat nahi hai, pair nahi hai, naak nahi hai, aankh nahi hai, to kis par dhyan karnege. To keval klesh hoga. (verse) Bhgavan ka dhyan kijiye, Bhagvan ka naam lijiye, jo hogaya sawar lijiye. Shastra me bataya hai (verse). Dhyan ka, meditation ka arth kya hota hai. Jo man ko sab samay bhagvan ke charan me laga deta hai ye samadhi hai.</span>