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	'''Prabhupāda:''' The modern education means . . . just see what is the disastrous condition. For 531 posts, three lakhs people have applied. How the unemployment . . . this application means they are all educated. Uneducated, they do not apply for any post. That means educated unemployed. This is India's so-called education. (aside:) Without light it is . . . you can open the door. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' The modern education means . . . just see what is the disastrous condition. For 531 posts, three lakhs people have applied. How the unemployment . . . this application means they are all educated. Uneducated, they do not apply for any post. That means educated unemployed. This is India's so-called education. (aside) Without light it is . . . you can open the door. (break)

	'''Jagadīśa:''' . . . I was finding out yesterday's paper . . . (break) First thing, I wanted to go over the daily schedule. According to the schedule, the boys get up between 3:30 and quarter to four.		'''Jagadīśa:''' . . . I was finding out yesterday's paper . . . (break) First thing, I wanted to go over the daily schedule. According to the schedule, the boys get up between 3:30 and quarter to four.
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	'''Jagadīśa:''' Head, arms, belly and legs.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Head, arms, belly and legs.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Whichever suitable, that . . . one must be suitable for any of these. It is the guide's intelligence: for which purpose he is suitable, engage him, like that. That is required. Not that everyone has to become a big scholar in Sanskrit. That is not required. Let him come to ''gurukula'', but if he is not suitable . . . ''gurukula'', this . . . So far character is con . . . that is for everyone. Just like early rise in the morning, chanting, and going to the . . . what is the objection? Anyone can do it. That is practice. And for working, if he is not suitable for higher education, let him go to the farm, take care of the cows grow food, flowers, fruits, eat, and dance and chant. Chanting, dancing, everyone will take part. There is no doubt.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Whichever suitable, that . . . one must be suitable for any of these. It is the guide's intelligence: for which purpose he is suitable, engage him, like that. That is required. Not that everyone has to become a big scholar in Sanskrit. That is not required. Let him come to ''gurukula'', but if he is not suitable . . . ''gurukula'', this . . . so far character is con . . . that is for everyone. Just like early rise in the morning, chanting, and going to the . . . what is the objection? Anyone can do it. That is practice. And for working, if he is not suitable for higher education, let him go to the farm, take care of the cows grow food, flowers, fruits, eat, and dance and chant. Chanting, dancing, everyone will take part. There is no doubt.

	'''Bhagatjī:''' How to mend him from lies? He speaks lies.		'''Bhagatjī:''' How to mend him from lies? He speaks lies.

RasaRasika at 03:17, 2 October 2023

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RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Yaśodānandana:" to "'''Yaśodānandana:'''"

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	Prabhupāda: Still . . .		Prabhupāda: Still . . .

	Devotee: Nine years old to fourteen years old.		'''Devotee:''' Nine years old to fourteen years old.

	Prabhupāda: They should be engaged in chanting, not sit down and japa. That will not be possible for them.		Prabhupāda: They should be engaged in chanting, not sit down and japa. That will not be possible for them.

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	'''Jagadīśa:''' So they have two hours and five minutes of ''japa''.		'''Jagadīśa:''' So they have two hours and five minutes of ''japa''.

	Dhanurdhara: Some boys that are younger, they make a vow to do less, and then they can study.		'''Dhanurdhara:''' Some boys that are younger, they make a vow to do less, and then they can study.

	'''Jagadīśa:''' Some of the younger boys chant six or eight rounds instead of sixteen. They chant that much during that time and then they study. Then they attend the temple program, ''guru-pūjā'' and ''Bhāgavatam'' class. And then after that, they go upstairs, wash their clothes and clean the ''āśrama''. That takes them about an hour, to wash their clothes and sweep and cleanse the floor, cleanse the shower room, wash their clothes . . .		'''Jagadīśa:''' Some of the younger boys chant six or eight rounds instead of sixteen. They chant that much during that time and then they study. Then they attend the temple program, ''guru-pūjā'' and ''Bhāgavatam'' class. And then after that, they go upstairs, wash their clothes and clean the ''āśrama''. That takes them about an hour, to wash their clothes and sweep and cleanse the floor, cleanse the shower room, wash their clothes . . .
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	Prabhupāda: Yes. ''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]). ''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ''. "You can do this? All right, do it. Why you should be forced to learn Sanskrit? Not necessary. Not necessary."		Prabhupāda: Yes. ''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ'' ([[BG 4.13 (1972)\|BG 4.13]]). ''Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ''. "You can do this? All right, do it. Why you should be forced to learn Sanskrit? Not necessary. Not necessary."

	Dhanurdhara: What of a boy who does the chanting nicely and the ''kīrtana'' nicely but doesn't do school work nicely?		'''Dhanurdhara:''' What of a boy who does the chanting nicely and the ''kīrtana'' nicely but doesn't do school work nicely?

	Prabhupāda: Hmm?		Prabhupāda: Hmm?

	Dhanurdhara: What of a boy who does the ''japa'' very nicely and . . .		'''Dhanurdhara:''' What of a boy who does the ''japa'' very nicely and . . .

	Prabhupāda: Well, ''japa'' . . . whether his father is doing ''japa'' nicely, that is also doubtful, what to speak of children. ''Japa'', children cannot . . . that should not be taken very seriously. Whatever he can do, that's all right. We should enforce, we should . . . but not that if he does not immediately, he should be rejected. No.		Prabhupāda: Well, ''japa'' . . . whether his father is doing ''japa'' nicely, that is also doubtful, what to speak of children. ''Japa'', children cannot . . . that should not be taken very seriously. Whatever he can do, that's all right. We should enforce, we should . . . but not that if he does not immediately, he should be rejected. No.

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	Prabhupāda: Why? Why? Deity room? Within the Deity room there is no need of chanting. Who told you this? There is no need. Eh? Within the Deity room? You told?		Prabhupāda: Why? Why? Deity room? Within the Deity room there is no need of chanting. Who told you this? There is no need. Eh? Within the Deity room? You told?

	Pradyumna: No.		'''Pradyumna:''' No.

	Prabhupāda: Then?		Prabhupāda: Then?

	Pradyumna: Sometimes you . . . unless you said, for installation or at other times when the Deity is being bathed, to chant ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' prayers.		'''Pradyumna:''' Sometimes you . . . unless you said, for installation or at other times when the Deity is being bathed, to chant ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' prayers.

	Prabhupāda: No. Within the Deity room there is no business. No business.		Prabhupāda: No. Within the Deity room there is no business. No business.
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	'''Jagadīśa:''' Four hours.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Four hours.

	Pradyumna: They have a schedule where they have ''dāl'', rice and ''sabjī'' and ''cāpāṭi'' at 9:30 in the morning. Is that what they have in the afternoon?		'''Pradyumna:''' They have a schedule where they have ''dāl'', rice and ''sabjī'' and ''cāpāṭi'' at 9:30 in the morning. Is that what they have in the afternoon?

	Prabhupāda: Eh? So when they first take bathing?		Prabhupāda: Eh? So when they first take bathing?
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	Prabhupāda: So he can go.		Prabhupāda: So he can go.

	Pradyumna: He's very intelligent, but he's just had a bad . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' He's very intelligent, but he's just had a bad . . .

	Prabhupāda: So he was in Māyāpur?		Prabhupāda: So he was in Māyāpur?
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	'''Rūpa-vilāsa:''' Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.		'''Rūpa-vilāsa:''' Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.

	Pradyumna: In Māyāpur he had some girl . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' In Māyāpur he had some girl . . .

	'''Jagadīśa:''' In my opinion, the best thing is to make an example and beat him.		'''Jagadīśa:''' In my opinion, the best thing is to make an example and beat him.
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	Prabhupāda: Yes. Hard work. He should be given hard work. This ''gurukula'' is for high, high-class ''Brahmin'', ''kṣatriyas'', not for the ''vaiśyas'' and ''śūdras''. (Bhagatjī laughs) No, everyone is required for Kṛṣṇa's service, but there . . . that I was describing today. There must be division. Don't put horse before a cart.		Prabhupāda: Yes. Hard work. He should be given hard work. This ''gurukula'' is for high, high-class ''Brahmin'', ''kṣatriyas'', not for the ''vaiśyas'' and ''śūdras''. (Bhagatjī laughs) No, everyone is required for Kṛṣṇa's service, but there . . . that I was describing today. There must be division. Don't put horse before a cart.

	Pradyumna: Race horse before the cart.		'''Pradyumna:''' Race horse before the cart.

	Prabhupāda: Eh?		Prabhupāda: Eh?

	Pradyumna: Race horse before the . . .		'''Pradyumna:''' Race horse before the . . .

	Prabhupāda: Yes, that will not be nice.		Prabhupāda: Yes, that will not be nice.

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	Prabhupāda: ''Vaiśya'' is meant for ''kṛṣi''.		Prabhupāda: ''Vaiśya'' is meant for ''kṛṣi''.

	Indian man: If you don't teach ''vaiśyas'' for this ''gurukula'' then how do they do the accounts?		'''Indian man:''' If you don't teach ''vaiśyas'' for this ''gurukula'' then how do they do the accounts?

	Prabhupāda: No no, we are not taking ''vaiśyas'' by birth.		Prabhupāda: No no, we are not taking ''vaiśyas'' by birth.
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	'''Jagadīśa:''' Accounts is just a skill. Anyone can learn to do account.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Accounts is just a skill. Anyone can learn to do account.

	Indian man: No, ''vaiśya'' is special work.		'''Indian man:''' No, ''vaiśya'' is special work.

	'''Jagadīśa:''' Yes.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Yes.

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	Prabhupāda: So he cannot be . . . he must go back. We cannot spoil other children.		Prabhupāda: So he cannot be . . . he must go back. We cannot spoil other children.

	Rūpa-vilāsa: They are being spoiled by him.		'''Rūpa-vilāsa:''' They are being spoiled by him.

	'''Jagadīśa:''' I was thinking, to make an example of him, either we should beat him or send him back.		'''Jagadīśa:''' I was thinking, to make an example of him, either we should beat him or send him back.
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	'''Jagadīśa:''' I think Bhavānanda wouldn't want to take him, because he knows he's a problem.		'''Jagadīśa:''' I think Bhavānanda wouldn't want to take him, because he knows he's a problem.

	Rūpa-vilāsa: Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.		'''Rūpa-vilāsa:''' Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.

	Prabhupāda: Eh?		Prabhupāda: Eh?

	Rūpa-vilāsa: Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.		'''Rūpa-vilāsa:''' Bhavānanda told me he did not want to see that boy again.

	Pradyumna: In Māyāpur he had some girl . . .		Pradyumna: In Māyāpur he had some girl . . .

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	Prabhupāda: Not in the . . . early in the morning?		Prabhupāda: Not in the . . . early in the morning?

	Yaśodānandana: In the early morning I take some of the boys in the Deity room between 5:30 and six, the boys and the Deities.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' In the early morning I take some of the boys in the Deity room between 5:30 and six, the boys and the Deities.

	Prabhupāda: Deity means temple.		Prabhupāda: Deity means temple.
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	Prabhupāda: Deity? Means temple. What do you mean, "The Deity room"?		Prabhupāda: Deity? Means temple. What do you mean, "The Deity room"?

	Yaśodānandana: Within the Deity room, when they are bathing the Deities, we are offering the prayers to the Deities, the ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' and ''Īśopaniṣad''.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' Within the Deity room, when they are bathing the Deities, we are offering the prayers to the Deities, the ''Brahma-saṁhitā'' and ''Īśopaniṣad''.

	Prabhupāda: Why? Why? Deity room? Within the Deity room there is no need of chanting. Who told you this? There is no need. Eh? Within the Deity room? You told?		Prabhupāda: Why? Why? Deity room? Within the Deity room there is no need of chanting. Who told you this? There is no need. Eh? Within the Deity room? You told?
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	Prabhupāda: Four o'clock. So after ''maṅgala-ārati'', the ''maṅgala-ārati prasādam'' should be given them, a little sweet.		Prabhupāda: Four o'clock. So after ''maṅgala-ārati'', the ''maṅgala-ārati prasādam'' should be given them, a little sweet.

	Yaśodānandana: (to other devotees) We hadn't agreed on that . . . (indistinct)		'''Yaśodānandana:''' (to other devotees) We hadn't agreed on that . . . (indistinct)

	'''Jagadīśa:''' Yes, the ''maṅgala-ārati'' sweets.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Yes, the ''maṅgala-ārati'' sweets.
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	'''Jagadīśa:''' Recitation.		'''Jagadīśa:''' Recitation.

	Yaśodānandana: And I also help with getting the boys through ''japa'' and ''kīrtana'' and getting them more enthusiastic.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' And I also help with getting the boys through ''japa'' and ''kīrtana'' and getting them more enthusiastic.

	Prabhupāda: That's nice.		Prabhupāda: That's nice.
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	Prabhupāda: Best thing will be send him back. He's incorrigible.		Prabhupāda: Best thing will be send him back. He's incorrigible.

	Yaśodānandana: Personally I had that boy with me for two months when I went to South India preaching, and I thought it would be an asset to have a young boy, but he was so misbehaved that it was too much problem. And the same things that he was doing in the beginning with me, telling lies and misbehaving, he is still doing now, and he does not correct himself, never. He has no effort to better his behavior or his conduct. He does not chant his rounds. He rarely comes to the ''kīrtana'', or else when he comes to the ''kīrtana'', he does not chant. He simply plays and makes fun. And it's very . . . he has a very bad influence on the other boys.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' Personally I had that boy with me for two months when I went to South India preaching, and I thought it would be an asset to have a young boy, but he was so misbehaved that it was too much problem. And the same things that he was doing in the beginning with me, telling lies and misbehaving, he is still doing now, and he does not correct himself, never. He has no effort to better his behavior or his conduct. He does not chant his rounds. He rarely comes to the ''kīrtana'', or else when he comes to the ''kīrtana'', he does not chant. He simply plays and makes fun. And it's very . . . he has a very bad influence on the other boys.

	Prabhupāda: No, then he should be sent back. Or he can be sent to Bombay to work ordinarily. Or Hyderabad farm, like that. Let him work on the ground.		Prabhupāda: No, then he should be sent back. Or he can be sent to Bombay to work ordinarily. Or Hyderabad farm, like that. Let him work on the ground.

	Yaśodānandana: He speaks Bengali. That boy was in Bengal before, and he picked up Bengali a little bit.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' He speaks Bengali. That boy was in Bengal before, and he picked up Bengali a little bit.

	Prabhupāda: So he can go.		Prabhupāda: So he can go.
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	Prabhupāda: So he was in Māyāpur?		Prabhupāda: So he was in Māyāpur?

	Yaśodānandana: Yes, he was in Māyāpur before. He knows Bengali. He can speak Bengali with us.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' Yes, he was in Māyāpur before. He knows Bengali. He can speak Bengali with us.

	Prabhupāda: So he can go with the Māyāpur preaching party as well.		Prabhupāda: So he can go with the Māyāpur preaching party as well.

	Yaśodānandana: We could send him with Bhavānanda Mahārāja.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' We could send him with Bhavānanda Mahārāja.

	Prabhupāda: Yes, that will be nice. He knows Bengali. Let him go to Bengal and keep him under Bhavānanda.		Prabhupāda: Yes, that will be nice. He knows Bengali. Let him go to Bengal and keep him under Bhavānanda.
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	Prabhupāda: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha. Hyderabad bhejo, usko kaam karao, usko matti khodne ka kaam do. Nahi kare to usko pito. Aise kya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. Send him to Hyderabad—make him work hard and till the ground and if he doesn't listen, then beat him.)</span>		Prabhupāda: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha. Hyderabad bhejo, usko kaam karao, usko matti khodne ka kaam do. Nahi kare to usko pito. Aise kya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. Send him to Hyderabad—make him work hard and till the ground and if he doesn't listen, then beat him.)</span>

	Yaśodānandana: He was just in Hyderabad for that ceremony there, and he caused such disruption in the whole temple that I don't think they'd want him there.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' He was just in Hyderabad for that ceremony there, and he caused such disruption in the whole temple that I don't think they'd want him there.

	'''Jagadīśa:''' The thing is, if we beat him here and keep him here, then all the boys will straighten up because they will see that if they go bad, then this will be their punishment.		'''Jagadīśa:''' The thing is, if we beat him here and keep him here, then all the boys will straighten up because they will see that if they go bad, then this will be their punishment.
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	Prabhupāda: As you think, you can do. But I wanted to engage in farm work, digging.		Prabhupāda: As you think, you can do. But I wanted to engage in farm work, digging.

	Yaśodānandana: Yes, that is his propensity. Actually it's a fact when he was with me I would try to teach him ''Īśopaniṣad'' and your purports, which are so clear and simple, but after three or four times explaining the same thing, he would become angry to receive the instruction.		'''Yaśodānandana:''' Yes, that is his propensity. Actually it's a fact when he was with me I would try to teach him ''Īśopaniṣad'' and your purports, which are so clear and simple, but after three or four times explaining the same thing, he would become angry to receive the instruction.

	Prabhupāda: No, no. He is meant for ''śūdra's'' work. (laughter)		Prabhupāda: No, no. He is meant for ''śūdra's'' work. (laughter)

	Yaśodānandana: And when that boy would be told to watch himself . . .		'''Yaśodānandana:''' And when that boy would be told to watch himself . . .

	Prabhupāda: You cannot expect that everyone is ''Brahmin''. No. He has got ''śūdra'' mentality, so let him till the ground for Kṛṣṇa. ''Svakarmaṇā tam abhyarcya'' ([[BG 18.46 (1972)\|BG 18.46]]). He is fit for tilling so let him till and produce grain for Kṛṣṇa.		Prabhupāda: You cannot expect that everyone is ''Brahmin''. No. He has got ''śūdra'' mentality, so let him till the ground for Kṛṣṇa. ''Svakarmaṇā tam abhyarcya'' ([[BG 18.46 (1972)\|BG 18.46]]). He is fit for tilling so let him till and produce grain for Kṛṣṇa.
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	Prabhupāda: That's all right. Do that.		Prabhupāda: That's all right. Do that.

	Yaśodānandana: ''Jaya'' Prabhupāda. (end)		'''Yaśodānandana:''' ''Jaya'' Prabhupāda. (end)