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	'''Dr. Kneupper:''' I hope that is . . . in Calcutta will be a success story.		'''Dr. Kneupper:''' I hope that is . . . in Calcutta will be a success story.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' You have got the contemplative man with you. . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' You have got the contemplative man with you . . . (indistinct)

	'''Indian man:''' Yes, sir.		'''Indian man:''' Yes, sir.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Not . . . meat-eating is third-class man's eating. It is not denied. ''Amedhya''. But to give us our life, don't kill cows, because it gives you milk, very substantial food. If you want to eat meat, you can eat the hogs and dogs. But don't kill the cows. ''Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]). This is special. It is not forbidding meat-eating, but don't eat cows' flesh. That is loss. It is a great loss to the human society. If they do not have sufficient milk production, then their brain will be dull. They will not be able to understand subtle things. Therefore it is better to avoid it. But if you cannot avoid, you can eat some inferior, useless animals. But don't touch the cows. This is ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Kṛṣṇa says ''go-rakṣya''. He never says pig-''rakṣya''. You can eat pig. You can eat the goats, the lambs. There are so many small useless animals. They are eating dogs also. The Chinese people, they eat dogs.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Not . . . meat-eating is third-class man's eating. It is not denied. ''Amedhya''. But to give us our life, don't kill cows, because it gives you milk, very substantial food. If you want to eat meat, you can eat the hogs and dogs. But don't kill the cows. ''Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyam'' ([[BG 18.44 (1972)\|BG 18.44]]). This is special. It is not forbidding meat-eating, but don't eat cows' flesh. That is loss. It is a great loss to the human society. If they do not have sufficient milk production, then their brain will be dull. They will not be able to understand subtle things. Therefore it is better to avoid it. But if you cannot avoid, you can eat some inferior, useless animals. But don't touch the cows. This is ''Bhagavad-gītā''. Kṛṣṇa says ''go-rakṣya''. He never says pig-''rakṣya''. You can eat pig. You can eat the goats, the lambs. There are so many small useless animals. They are eating dogs also. The Chinese people, they eat dogs.

	So you can eat dogs, hogs, so many other animals. But don't touch the cows. This is God's instruction. And they are advertising that, "The Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an animal, a cow." They do not know what is the economic value of this cow. In the beginning of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. And you are killing the mother. You are civilized? Do you think? You take milk up to the point of death. In South Africa, before killing the cows, they drag out milk and then send it. Milk is important, but because they are uncivilized, they do this. You take milk. Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized. Foolish fourth-class men. So we are trying to bring them to become first-class men, and they are accusing of brainwash. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." We are teaching that "These boys, they are becoming first class." Anyone will worship them. How nice they look, how behavior, how their character. We are creating this, and they are accusing, "Oh, they are kidnapping our children." (aside to guest:) Why you are going? Eh? Why you are going?		So you can eat dogs, hogs, so many other animals. But don't touch the cows. This is God's instruction. And they are advertising that, "The Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an animal, a cow." They do not know what is the economic value of this cow. In the beginning of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. And you are killing the mother. You are civilized? Do you think? You take milk up to the point of death. In South Africa, before killing the cows, they drag out milk and then send it. Milk is important, but because they are uncivilized, they do this. You take milk. Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized. Foolish fourth-class men. So we are trying to bring them to become first-class men, and they are accusing of brainwash. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." We are teaching that "These boys, they are becoming first class." Anyone will worship them. How nice they look, how behavior, how their character. We are creating this, and they are accusing, "Oh, they are kidnapping our children." (aside to guest) Why you are going? Eh? Why you are going?

	'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">. . . ap baat kijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . please continue.)</span>		'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">. . . ap baat kijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . please continue.)</span>

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	'''Dr. Kneupper:''' I don't understand how this relates to distinguishing who are the true teachers . . .		'''Dr. Kneupper:''' I don't understand how this relates to distinguishing who are the true teachers . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that I have already explained. Everyone is foolish now. You cannot distinguish who is thief and who is not thief. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Thakbaj se gaon ojo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The village is full of cheaters.)</span> If you study everyone, you will find everyone is rascal at the present moment.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, that I have already explained. Everyone is foolish now. You cannot distinguish who is thief and who is not thief. <span style="color:#ec710e">Thakbaj se gaon ojo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The village is full of cheaters.)</span> If you study everyone, you will find everyone is rascal at the present moment.

	'''Dr. Kneupper:''' But surely there are some who are sincere.		'''Dr. Kneupper:''' But surely there are some who are sincere.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, in your country there is some adjustment because it is very big country, and you are all intelligent people. In other countries they are . . . but even though you have got resources, if you not properly utilize it, then the bad time is coming. You should expect. If your energy is all engaged in manufacturing tires and wheels, then who will go to the . . . actually I have seen in your country. Now the farmers' son, they do not like to remain in the farm. They go in the city. I have seen it. The farmers' sons, they do not like to take up the profession of his father. So gradually farming will be reduced, and the city residents, they are satisfied if they can eat meat. And the farmer means keeping the . . . raising the cattle and killing them, send to the city, and they will think that, "We are eating. What is the use of going to . . ." But these rascals have no brain that, "If there is no food grain or grass, how these cattle will be . . .?"		'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, in your country there is some adjustment because it is very big country, and you are all intelligent people. In other countries they are . . . but even though you have got resources, if you not properly utilize it, then the bad time is coming. You should expect. If your energy is all engaged in manufacturing tires and wheels, then who will go to the . . . actually I have seen in your country. Now the farmers' son, they do not like to remain in the farm. They go in the city. I have seen it. The farmers' sons, they do not like to take up the profession of his father. So gradually farming will be reduced, and the city residents, they are satisfied if they can eat meat. And the farmer means keeping the . . . raising the cattle and killing them, send to the city, and they will think that, "We are eating. What is the use of going to . . ." But these rascals have no brain that, "If there is no food grain or grass, how these cattle will be . . .?"

	Actually it is happening. They are eating swiftly. "The cattle will die. Before they die, let us kill and eat." Actually it is happening. In Italy they killed because the problem is twenty thousand cows. This is going on. They do not care that killing is sinful, because they don't care for God. This is going on. And sinful, sinful, sinful, everyone will be punished. The nature's law will act. <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Thakbaj se gaon ojo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The village is full of cheaters.)</span> There is a Bengali proverb, <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">thakbaj se gaon ojo,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(the village is full of cheaters,)</span> that "One man wanted to take statistics, 'How many thieves are there in this village?' So when he began to take statistics, he saw everyone is thief. Then he said that 'What is the use of making statistics? This is village of thieves, that's all.' " So it is . . . at the present moment this is the position. If you make a statistics who is sinful and who is not sinful, you will find all sinful. And because they are sinful, they decry the existence of God. ''Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante'' . . . (aside) Find out this, Seventh . . . because they are all sinful, they deny the existence of God. This is the position. Read it.		Actually it is happening. They are eating swiftly. "The cattle will die. Before they die, let us kill and eat." Actually it is happening. In Italy they killed because the problem is twenty thousand cows. This is going on. They do not care that killing is sinful, because they don't care for God. This is going on. And sinful, sinful, sinful, everyone will be punished. The nature's law will act. <span style="color:#ec710e">Thakbaj se gaon ojo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The village is full of cheaters.)</span> There is a Bengali proverb, <span style="color:#ec710e">thakbaj se gaon ojo,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(the village is full of cheaters,)</span> that "One man wanted to take statistics, 'How many thieves are there in this village?' So when he began to take statistics, he saw everyone is thief. Then he said that 'What is the use of making statistics? This is village of thieves, that's all.' " So it is . . . at the present moment this is the position. If you make a statistics who is sinful and who is not sinful, you will find all sinful. And because they are sinful, they decry the existence of God. ''Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante'' . . . (aside) Find out this, Seventh . . . because they are all sinful, they deny the existence of God. This is the position. Read it.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But that means they do not know what is the meaning of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', what is the meaning of ''Vedas''. Unnecessarily they put some outside . . . just like they are doing now. They do not know what is knowledge, and they are accusing us that we are brainwashing. We are forbidding our devotees, "Don't eat meat." Oh, they are taking it: "It is revolutionary. Eh? How these men, they are stopping?" (someone enters) Hare Kṛṣṇa.		'''Prabhupāda:''' But that means they do not know what is the meaning of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', what is the meaning of ''Vedas''. Unnecessarily they put some outside . . . just like they are doing now. They do not know what is knowledge, and they are accusing us that we are brainwashing. We are forbidding our devotees, "Don't eat meat." Oh, they are taking it: "It is revolutionary. Eh? How these men, they are stopping?" (someone enters) Hare Kṛṣṇa.

	'''Indian man (4):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">Apni bhalo achen? Ami Bholanath. Ami Benaras e thaki, ami ajke . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(How are you? I am Bholanath. I am from Benaras, today . . .)</span> (break)		'''Indian man (4):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Apni bhalo achen? Ami Bholanath. Ami Benaras e thaki, ami ajke . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(How are you? I am Bholanath. I am from Benaras, today . . .)</span> (break)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is difficulty. If I say, "Here is a person who knows mathematics," why there should be . . . any person who is interested in mathematics will welcome him. So similarly, here is Vedic knowledge. Vedic knowledge means real knowledge. Here is ''Bhagavad-gītā'', the knowledge of God, but they misunderstand it. They think, "Oh, we have got another God." How God can be another? So people should be sober, that we are giving books. They should understand. And it is accepted by the educated class, big, big professors, big, big philosophers. It is not blind faith. Just like this version of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]): "As we are changing body even in this duration of life, similarly, when this body is finished, then another body." So where is the difficulty to understand? But they will say, "It is Hindu idea." Fact we are presenting that, "You are changing your body. When you came out of the womb of your mother, the body was so small. And then little bigger body, little bigger body, little bigger body. Now you are full-grown young man." So the body is changing, everyone can understand. But I can understand also that, "I had so big . . . small body and this body. Then body is changing; I am existing." Then where is the difficulty of the transmigration of the soul?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So this is difficulty. If I say, "Here is a person who knows mathematics," why there should be . . . any person who is interested in mathematics will welcome him. So similarly, here is Vedic knowledge. Vedic knowledge means real knowledge. Here is ''Bhagavad-gītā'', the knowledge of God, but they misunderstand it. They think, "Oh, we have got another God." How God can be another? So people should be sober, that we are giving books. They should understand. And it is accepted by the educated class, big, big professors, big, big philosophers. It is not blind faith. Just like this version of ''Bhagavad-gītā'', ''tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]): "As we are changing body even in this duration of life, similarly, when this body is finished, then another body." So where is the difficulty to understand? But they will say, "It is Hindu idea." Fact we are presenting that, "You are changing your body. When you came out of the womb of your mother, the body was so small. And then little bigger body, little bigger body, little bigger body. Now you are full-grown young man." So the body is changing, everyone can understand. But I can understand also that, "I had so big . . . small body and this body. Then body is changing; I am existing." Then where is the difficulty of the transmigration of the soul?
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	So you can eat dogs, hogs, so many other animals. But don't touch the cows. This is God's instruction. And they are advertising that, "The Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an animal, a cow." They do not know what is the economic value of this cow. In the beginning of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. And you are killing the mother. You are civilized? Do you think? You take milk up to the point of death. In South Africa, before killing the cows, they drag out milk and then send it. Milk is important, but because they are uncivilized, they do this. You take milk. Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized. Foolish fourth-class men. So we are trying to bring them to become first-class men, and they are accusing of brainwash. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." We are teaching that "These boys, they are becoming first class." Anyone will worship them. How nice they look, how behavior, how their character. We are creating this, and they are accusing, "Oh, they are kidnapping our children." (aside to guest) Why you are going? Eh? Why you are going?		So you can eat dogs, hogs, so many other animals. But don't touch the cows. This is God's instruction. And they are advertising that, "The Hindus, they are so fool, they are worshiping an animal, a cow." They do not know what is the economic value of this cow. In the beginning of your life you want milk immediately in the morning. And you are killing the mother. You are civilized? Do you think? You take milk up to the point of death. In South Africa, before killing the cows, they drag out milk and then send it. Milk is important, but because they are uncivilized, they do this. You take milk. Instead of killing, you prepare so many nice things from milk which is good for brain, good for intelligence. But they do not know because uncivilized. Foolish fourth-class men. So we are trying to bring them to become first-class men, and they are accusing of brainwash. "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." We are teaching that "These boys, they are becoming first class." Anyone will worship them. How nice they look, how behavior, how their character. We are creating this, and they are accusing, "Oh, they are kidnapping our children." (aside to guest) Why you are going? Eh? Why you are going?

	'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#~~ff9933~~">. . . ap baat kijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . please continue.)</span>		'''Indian man (2):''' <span style="color:#ec710e">. . . ap baat kijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(. . . please continue.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Ācchā''. So this is our position. Now you are philosophers. You try to understand the whole philosophy and combine together. People have become all fourth-class, tenth-class, uncivilized men. They should be given the idea of God consciousness. I don't say only in the Western country. Everywhere this is the problem, all fourth-class men. So there is possibility to bring the fourth-class men to the first class. That is educational. It can be done. There is no difficulty. So this is the education, how to make fourth-class men or fifth-class men to come to the first-class standard. (aside) What is that? Which verse I wanted?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Ācchā''. So this is our position. Now you are philosophers. You try to understand the whole philosophy and combine together. People have become all fourth-class, tenth-class, uncivilized men. They should be given the idea of God consciousness. I don't say only in the Western country. Everywhere this is the problem, all fourth-class men. So there is possibility to bring the fourth-class men to the first class. That is educational. It can be done. There is no difficulty. So this is the education, how to make fourth-class men or fifth-class men to come to the first-class standard. (aside) What is that? Which verse I wanted?

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