770411 - Conversation - Bombay - Revision history

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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Really? She was thinking like that.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Really? She was thinking like that.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now this is also mercy of Anandamaya~~(?)~~. Some young ''yogīs ''she was keeping?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now this is also mercy of Anandamaya. Some young ''yogīs ''she was keeping?

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there was one who was coming to America who seemed to have been very intimate with her. He was able to call her on the telephone. She would come to the telephone. He helped us, though, in our court case. Ādi-keśa warned him. Because he was sometimes meeting all these women. Many women were coming to see him in New York, many fashionable, wealthy people. So Ādi-keśa Mahārāja warned him that, "If you associate with these women, you will fall down." He liked Ādi-keśa very much and helped him, because he could see that he was strict ''sannyāsī''. (break)		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yes, there was one who was coming to America who seemed to have been very intimate with her. He was able to call her on the telephone. She would come to the telephone. He helped us, though, in our court case. Ādi-keśa warned him. Because he was sometimes meeting all these women. Many women were coming to see him in New York, many fashionable, wealthy people. So Ādi-keśa Mahārāja warned him that, "If you associate with these women, you will fall down." He liked Ādi-keśa very much and helped him, because he could see that he was strict ''sannyāsī''. (break)
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Gujarati. But no one from the Bengali side is as expert and hard-working in this matter as Gopāla Kṛṣṇa is here. That's one point. Pañcaratna is a good man, but I mean he himself doesn't speak the language. So I feel that Gopāla will get more done in Hindi than they can get done in Bengali because . . .		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Gujarati. But no one from the Bengali side is as expert and hard-working in this matter as Gopāla Kṛṣṇa is here. That's one point. Pañcaratna is a good man, but I mean he himself doesn't speak the language. So I feel that Gopāla will get more done in Hindi than they can get done in Bengali because . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, Bengali he's useless.~~(?)~~ After finishing . . . (indistinct) . . . we will simply print. When the task is finished, printing, Gopāla can print.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, Bengali he's useless. After finishing . . . (indistinct) . . . we will simply print. When the task is finished, printing, Gopāla can print.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's my thought. He should do the printing of all the books.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's my thought. He should do the printing of all the books.
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam''.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam''.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, any knowledge. Just like modern scientists, they do. When they discover something, they give it; they go from university to university. Whatever . . . they may be wrong. They want to give it. That is the way. In India such vast knowledge, it is kept for professional ''Bhāgavatam ''readers. How much harm they have done! Some professional ''Bhāgavatam ''readers, it is their property. And they will gather some women and talk of ''rāsa-līlā ''and ''Bhāgavatam ''reading. Some lazy old men, some woman, they will gather and sit down with their grammar. ''Karma-kāṇḍa'', so that his material position will be better off. And the reciter will gather so many dozens of food~~(?)~~ and umbrella and cloth, and take it away and sell it in the market, and employ it for his son's marriage, daughter's marriage . . . (indistinct) . . . and this is ''Bhāgavatam''. This is going on.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, any knowledge. Just like modern scientists, they do. When they discover something, they give it; they go from university to university. Whatever . . . they may be wrong. They want to give it. That is the way. In India such vast knowledge, it is kept for professional ''Bhāgavatam ''readers. How much harm they have done! Some professional ''Bhāgavatam ''readers, it is their property. And they will gather some women and talk of ''rāsa-līlā ''and ''Bhāgavatam ''reading. Some lazy old men, some woman, they will gather and sit down with their grammar. ''Karma-kāṇḍa'', so that his material position will be better off. And the reciter will gather so many dozens of food and umbrella and cloth, and take it away and sell it in the market, and employ it for his son's marriage, daughter's marriage . . . (indistinct) . . . and this is ''Bhāgavatam''. This is going on.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Is there some verse in the ''Bhāgavatam ''which states that the ''Bhāgavatam ''reciter must be a very qualified person?		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Is there some verse in the ''Bhāgavatam ''which states that the ''Bhāgavatam ''reciter must be a very qualified person?

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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Well, Bhagavān says he didn't have the necessary accountants. He gave a number of reasons. But the BBT Trustees rejected all the reasons and said that now there has to be a regular statement monthly. Similarly from India, there was no regular monthly statement given out to the other trustees. So now every month all the trustees must send a regular statement." 5) The Deity worship book will be printed by Jayatīrtha dāsa without BBT funds." This is that book. I forget the Sanskrit name, Śrīla Prabhupāda.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Well, Bhagavān says he didn't have the necessary accountants. He gave a number of reasons. But the BBT Trustees rejected all the reasons and said that now there has to be a regular statement monthly. Similarly from India, there was no regular monthly statement given out to the other trustees. So now every month all the trustees must send a regular statement." 5) The Deity worship book will be printed by Jayatīrtha dāsa without BBT funds." This is that book. I forget the Sanskrit name, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

	Devotee: ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa''.		'''Devotee:''' ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa''.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa''. So Jayatīrtha wants to print it on his own. Means he doesn't want to take BBT funds. So the trustees felt that that was very good, since funds were scarce, he does a nice printing. He said he would take responsibility for printing and distributing it. Because it is a very limited edition, it's not going to be sold to the common people, just to devotees.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Hari-bhakti-vilāsa''. So Jayatīrtha wants to print it on his own. Means he doesn't want to take BBT funds. So the trustees felt that that was very good, since funds were scarce, he does a nice printing. He said he would take responsibility for printing and distributing it. Because it is a very limited edition, it's not going to be sold to the common people, just to devotees.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? You want to speak?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm? You want to speak?

	Upendra: Cannot imagine.		'''Upendra:''' Cannot imagine.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's one and a half million dollars nearly, per month.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's one and a half million dollars nearly, per month.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, objectionable . . . the ''rākṣasas ''. . . just like Kṛṣṇa was there within the womb of Devakī. Kaṁsa imprisoned. So the brilliance of the body of Devakī could not be seen by others, because imprisoned. So if Kṛṣṇa comes from the womb of Devakī—and He will come—similarly if by your endeavor Kṛṣṇa comes in this movement, then these Kaṁsas will be destroyed. He will kill. That day will come when we shall take all the political posts. That is Kṛṣṇa's mission. That is the battle of Kurukṣetra. "Take it from Duryodhana. Give it to Yudhiṣṭhira, Arjuna." If you go on steadily, that will be . . . and all these demons—Kaṁsa, Bakāsura, Aghāsura, ''sakala ''incarnations, ''svāmīs'', ''yogīs ''. . . they are Aghāsura and Bakāsura. Just like Kṛṣṇa had to kill so many ''asuras'', disturbing element. You become under some Aghāsura.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, objectionable . . . the ''rākṣasas ''. . . just like Kṛṣṇa was there within the womb of Devakī. Kaṁsa imprisoned. So the brilliance of the body of Devakī could not be seen by others, because imprisoned. So if Kṛṣṇa comes from the womb of Devakī—and He will come—similarly if by your endeavor Kṛṣṇa comes in this movement, then these Kaṁsas will be destroyed. He will kill. That day will come when we shall take all the political posts. That is Kṛṣṇa's mission. That is the battle of Kurukṣetra. "Take it from Duryodhana. Give it to Yudhiṣṭhira, Arjuna." If you go on steadily, that will be . . . and all these demons—Kaṁsa, Bakāsura, Aghāsura, ''sakala ''incarnations, ''svāmīs'', ''yogīs ''. . . they are Aghāsura and Bakāsura. Just like Kṛṣṇa had to kill so many ''asuras'', disturbing element. You become under some Aghāsura.

	Upendra: Some what?		'''Upendra:''' Some what?

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' You became under some Aghāsura.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' You became under some Aghāsura.

	Upendra: Under . . .? Yes, my own Aghāsura.		'''Upendra:''' Under . . .? Yes, my own Aghāsura.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' (chuckles) Did you go to the camp of that Bhajan?		'''Prabhupāda:''' (chuckles) Did you go to the camp of that Bhajan?
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yogi Bhajan.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yogi Bhajan.

	Upendra: No, I didn't go to any other camp.		'''Upendra:''' No, I didn't go to any other camp.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Why you had ''pāgaṛi ''like Yogi Bhajan?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Why you had ''pāgaṛi ''like Yogi Bhajan?

	Upendra: Oh. My habit is always to . . .		'''Upendra:''' Oh. My habit is always to . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Imitate.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Imitate.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' What people will think? Keep yourself pure, spotless. (pause) We shall go to the ''bulaya''.		'''Prabhupāda:''' What people will think? Keep yourself pure, spotless. (pause) We shall go to the ''bulaya''.

	Upendra: Yes, first thing.		'''Upendra:''' Yes, first thing.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This rascal, D.M.K.		'''Prabhupāda:''' This rascal, D.M.K.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' The prime minister is lightie?		'''Prabhupāda:''' The prime minister is lightie?

	Upendra: Yes. He is very educated. He is half. All the ministers are . . . those natives are light-skinned. They are from a particular island group, mixed. They are very intelligent and polite. The other natives are darker and more extremists. But this extremist agitation is, they say, is instigated by the Europeans, who keep the Indians and natives apart, because the natives have all the land, and this is what the Europeans are interested in. So they instigate it.		'''Upendra:''' Yes. He is very educated. He is half. All the ministers are . . . those natives are light-skinned. They are from a particular island group, mixed. They are very intelligent and polite. The other natives are darker and more extremists. But this extremist agitation is, they say, is instigated by the Europeans, who keep the Indians and natives apart, because the natives have all the land, and this is what the Europeans are interested in. So they instigate it.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' These rascals, wherever they go, they create trouble.		'''Prabhupāda:''' These rascals, wherever they go, they create trouble.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' In the history it is unique. Crores of rupees' property, and all over the world, buildings, temples. It is all Kṛṣṇa's. Nobody can harm them. It is not for me. There is no history. In one . . . ten years only, books like this, which are being received with so much adoration. They are simply Kṛṣṇa. If I want to take credit personally, this is wrong thing. So money does not come in that way unless Kṛṣṇa gives. ''Janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrībhiḥ ''([[SB 1.8.26\|SB 1.8.26]]). If Kṛṣṇa wants, He can give the whole world. My father used to say: "God has got ten hands. If He wants to take away from you, with two hands how much you will protect? And when He wants to give you with ten hands, with two hands how much you will take it?" That's a common . . . but people are after money. (break)		'''Prabhupāda:''' In the history it is unique. Crores of rupees' property, and all over the world, buildings, temples. It is all Kṛṣṇa's. Nobody can harm them. It is not for me. There is no history. In one . . . ten years only, books like this, which are being received with so much adoration. They are simply Kṛṣṇa. If I want to take credit personally, this is wrong thing. So money does not come in that way unless Kṛṣṇa gives. ''Janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrībhiḥ ''([[SB 1.8.26\|SB 1.8.26]]). If Kṛṣṇa wants, He can give the whole world. My father used to say: "God has got ten hands. If He wants to take away from you, with two hands how much you will protect? And when He wants to give you with ten hands, with two hands how much you will take it?" That's a common . . . but people are after money. (break)

	Upendra: . . . garlands. They should be taken down.		'''Upendra:''' . . . garlands. They should be taken down.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They are not changing?		'''Prabhupāda:''' They are not changing?

	Upendra: He has stopped bringing flowers.		'''Upendra:''' He has stopped bringing flowers.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Later he will bring. I told them. These should be probably taken down after one day. They get brown.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Later he will bring. I told them. These should be probably taken down after one day. They get brown.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Now so many charges are coming against her. (pause) Hmm? She and her son are the destiny of India? A woman and a debauch? They can do whatever they like. It's a farce condition. That so-called democracy is nonsense demoncracy. And by this demoncracy, it can be done. A demon may become, if he can simply secure votes. That is the position. Without any training. Formerly the destiny was by the ''rājarṣi''. Royal power, but ''ṛṣi'', saintly person. See the character of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Parīkṣit, Ambarīṣa. (aside) At least, you cover some way or other with some cloth. Find out some cloth or towel, and cover it. Yes. (devotee enters and offers obeisances) All rogues, they are political leaders. Political leader means rogue. Nowadays, these . . . here is so-called religious leader, Sai Baba, another rogue. This is Kali-yuga. (Hindi with Bhakti-caru) There is no good man politician. ''Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyāḥ ''([[SB 1.1.10\|SB 1.1.10]]). ''Sumanda-matayaḥ''. They have got a conception which is very, very bad—conception of religion, social, political. All condemned.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Now so many charges are coming against her. (pause) Hmm? She and her son are the destiny of India? A woman and a debauch? They can do whatever they like. It's a farce condition. That so-called democracy is nonsense demoncracy. And by this demoncracy, it can be done. A demon may become, if he can simply secure votes. That is the position. Without any training. Formerly the destiny was by the ''rājarṣi''. Royal power, but ''ṛṣi'', saintly person. See the character of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Parīkṣit, Ambarīṣa. (aside) At least, you cover some way or other with some cloth. Find out some cloth or towel, and cover it. Yes. (devotee enters and offers obeisances) All rogues, they are political leaders. Political leader means rogue. Nowadays, these . . . here is so-called religious leader, Sai Baba, another rogue. This is Kali-yuga. (Hindi with Bhakti-caru) There is no good man politician. ''Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyāḥ ''([[SB 1.1.10\|SB 1.1.10]]). ''Sumanda-matayaḥ''. They have got a conception which is very, very bad—conception of religion, social, political. All condemned.

	Bhakti-caru: (reading) "In the affairs, the leader's duty, why was she silent?"		'''Bhakti-caru:''' (reading) "In the affairs, the leader's duty, why was she silent?"

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

	Bhakti-caru: "Why was she silent?"		'''Bhakti-caru:''' "Why was she silent?"

	Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I read that to you this morning. (to Bhkati-caru) This I read to Prabhupāda.		Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I read that to you this morning. (to Bhkati-caru) This I read to Prabhupāda.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, read it again.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, read it again.

	Bhakti-caru: Lecha Mukhara Danin—she was quite a famous author—wrote that article.		'''Bhakti-caru:''' Lecha Mukhara Danin—she was quite a famous author—wrote that article.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, another Punjabi like . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, another Punjabi like . . .

	Bhakti-caru: So "In the farewell talk she gave to the outgoing Congress party members of Parliament . . ."		'''Bhakti-caru:''' So "In the farewell talk she gave to the outgoing Congress party members of Parliament . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm, come near.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm, come near.
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	Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sit over here.		Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sit over here.

	Bhakti-caru: (reads newspaper) "The farewell talk she gave to the outgoing Congress party members of Parliament, Mrs. Indira Gandhi was reported to have told that she was to blame for the rout. (The Times of India, March 29th, 30th) She seems to have accepted her failure to assess her injury cause to the sentiments and feelings of the masses in the areas where many excesses were committed during the emergency. And a failure of the Congress organization to fine against . . . (indistinct) . . . during the emergency and before. But she does not mention what is common talk amongst people everywhere, and especially among the village folk: her connivance at the build-up of her son Sanjay Gandhi as the probable future prime minister of India . . ."		'''Bhakti-caru:''' (reads newspaper) "The farewell talk she gave to the outgoing Congress party members of Parliament, Mrs. Indira Gandhi was reported to have told that she was to blame for the rout. (The Times of India, March 29th, 30th) She seems to have accepted her failure to assess her injury cause to the sentiments and feelings of the masses in the areas where many excesses were committed during the emergency. And a failure of the Congress organization to fine against . . . (indistinct) . . . during the emergency and before. But she does not mention what is common talk amongst people everywhere, and especially among the village folk: her connivance at the build-up of her son Sanjay Gandhi as the probable future prime minister of India . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Probable?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Probable?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That everyone will say.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That everyone will say.

	Bhakti-caru: (break) "And is it possible that she did not know of his interference from her own house in exercise of executive authority in many matters appointments? Did she not see newspaper reports of vast gatherings often paid for and brought to her family by her chief ministers to provide an audience and popular build-up for the Raj Kumar, as he came to be called. Those of us who knew her father are sanguined at Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru could never have allowed himself to entertain a dynastic order. When Mrs. Gandhi was elected president of the Congress, we recall that her father first disapproved of the proposal made by Mr. S. K. Patil at a Bombay meeting." (break)		'''Bhakti-caru:''' (break) "And is it possible that she did not know of his interference from her own house in exercise of executive authority in many matters appointments? Did she not see newspaper reports of vast gatherings often paid for and brought to her family by her chief ministers to provide an audience and popular build-up for the Raj Kumar, as he came to be called. Those of us who knew her father are sanguined at Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru could never have allowed himself to entertain a dynastic order. When Mrs. Gandhi was elected president of the Congress, we recall that her father first disapproved of the proposal made by Mr. S. K. Patil at a Bombay meeting." (break)

	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is to bring her in limelight again, Indira.		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . is to bring her in limelight again, Indira.

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