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	They won't take the real culture given by God Himself, Kṛṣṇa, "Do like this." Therefore they are godless. They must suffer. Now the suffering is awaiting to the general mass of people. ''Durbhikṣa'' . . . ''anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa-kara-pīḍitāḥ'' ([[SB 12.2.9\|SB 12.2.9]]). There will be no rain from the sky, and therefore there will be no sufficient grains. ''Anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa''. And in the name of improving the situation, government will tax. ''Kara-pīḍitāḥ''. In this way, so the people in general, they'll be so much harassed that without being able to manage things . . . ''~~Ācchinna~~-dāra-draviṇā gacchanti giri-kānanam''. "Let whatever I may have to the family eating. Let me go." This is the position.		They won't take the real culture given by God Himself, Kṛṣṇa, "Do like this." Therefore they are godless. They must suffer. Now the suffering is awaiting to the general mass of people. ''Durbhikṣa'' . . . ''anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa-kara-pīḍitāḥ'' ([[SB 12.2.9\|SB 12.2.9]]). There will be no rain from the sky, and therefore there will be no sufficient grains. ''Anāvṛṣṭi-durbhikṣa''. And in the name of improving the situation, government will tax. ''Kara-pīḍitāḥ''. In this way, so the people in general, they'll be so much harassed that without being able to manage things . . . ''ācchinna-dāra-draviṇā gacchanti giri-kānanam''. "Let whatever I may have to the family eating. Let me go." This is the position.

	'''Sita Ram Singh:''' What will be the future of India?		'''Sita Ram Singh:''' What will be the future of India?
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	'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Are aap pehle dekhiye. ye jo words hai "dharma kshetre...." yuyutsava ka arth kya hota hai, boliye. ladia karna, aur ladai karne ke liye sab ikkhata hue hain aur non-violence. ye koi arth hai. (indistinct Hindi) doosre ko badnami karna hai aur khu bhi. usko sab sudhariye, tab apka leadership . . . nahi to "andha yatandir . . ."</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You see first these words "''Dharma kshetre'' . . ." ''yuyutsava'' what is the meaning of this, tell. To fight and to battle they have all gathered and to speak of non-violence. Is there any meaning in this . . . (indistinct) . . . to defame others and also to get a bad name for oneself. Rectify all this, then your leadership . . . otherwise "''andha yatandir'' . . .")</span>		'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Are aap pehle dekhiye. ye jo words hai "dharma kshetre...." yuyutsava ka arth kya hota hai, boliye. ladia karna, aur ladai karne ke liye sab ikkhata hue hain aur non-violence. ye koi arth hai. (indistinct Hindi) doosre ko badnami karna hai aur khu bhi. usko sab sudhariye, tab apka leadership . . . nahi to "andha yatandir . . ."</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You see first these words "''Dharma kshetre'' . . ." ''yuyutsava'' what is the meaning of this, tell. To fight and to battle they have all gathered and to speak of non-violence. Is there any meaning in this . . . (indistinct) . . . to defame others and also to get a bad name for oneself. Rectify all this, then your leadership . . . otherwise "''andha yatandir'' . . .")</span>

	'''Indian man:''' Leadership is already in danger. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ek cheez sarkar me ho raha hai. Kṛṣṇa bhagvan ne jab arjun ne dhanush ko rakh diya, ladai nahi karna chahte the dekhkarke ki hamare bandhu hain, jab nahi mane to Kṛṣṇa bole dekho ye sab mare hue hain . . . Jo nimmit matra hai to wo nimmit matra arjun ke madhyam se kyo karaya gaya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is one thing that is happening in the government. When Arjuna kept his bow and arrow down, he did not want to fight on seeing that the enemies were his relatives, when he did not accept then Kṛṣṇa said that they are all dead . . . one who is an instrument then why Arjuna made an instrument to kill his enemies.)</span>		'''Indian man:''' Leadership is already in danger. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ek cheez sarkar me ho raha hai. Kṛṣṇa bhagvan ne jab arjun ne dhanush ko rakh diya, ladai nahi karna chahte the dekhkarke ki hamare bandhu hain, jab nahi mane to Kṛṣṇa bole dekho ye sab mare hue hain . . . jo nimmit matra hai to wo nimmit matra arjun ke madhyam se kyo karaya gaya hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is one thing that is happening in the government. When Arjuna kept his bow and arrow down, he did not want to fight on seeing that the enemies were his relatives, when he did not accept then Kṛṣṇa said that they are all dead . . . one who is an instrument then why Arjuna made an instrument to kill his enemies.)</span>

	'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Aapne isko samajh nahi sake. arjun hai kshtriya, kshatriya ka kaam kya hai. lekin ye jo vedic sabhyata hai brahman, kshatriya, vaisya, agar isko marna hai to brahman nahi marega, kshatriya marega. ab dekhiye Vishwamitra usko jungle me raat ko singh bada tang karti thee, to Vishwamitra ko power nahi tha ki usko marde. nahi wo aaye dashrath maharaj . . . "chatur varnyam maya shrishtam" jiska kaam hai wo kare. ye sab jo knowledge hamara bharat varsh me hai ki ye sab aaplog laat marke de diya aur apna-apna sab party me hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You did not understand this. Arjuna is a ''ksatriya''. The duty of a ''ksatriya'' is what. But this vedic culture, ''brahmana'', ''ksatriya'', ''vaisya'', if they have to die then the ''brahmana'' will not kill, the ''ksatriya'' will kill. Now you see Viśvāmitra was troubled in the jungle at night by the tiger, but he did not have the power to kill it. No he came to Dasarath Mahārāja . . . "''catur varnyam maya sristam''" each has to do their own duty prescribed to them by the scriptures. All this knowledge what we have in India you have kicked it out and you are in your own parties.)</span>		'''Prabhupada:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Aapne isko samajh nahi sake. arjun hai kshtriya, kshatriya ka kaam kya hai. lekin ye jo vedic sabhyata hai brahman, kshatriya, vaisya, agar isko marna hai to brahman nahi marega, kshatriya marega. ab dekhiye Vishwamitra usko jungle me raat ko singh bada tang karti thee, to Vishwamitra ko power nahi tha ki usko marde. nahi wo aaye dashrath maharaj . . . "chatur varnyam maya shrishtam" jiska kaam hai wo kare. ye sab jo knowledge hamara bharat varsh me hai ki ye sab aaplog laat marke de diya aur apna-apna sab party me hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You did not understand this. Arjuna is a ''ksatriya''. The duty of a ''ksatriya'' is what. But this vedic culture, ''brahmana'', ''ksatriya'', ''vaisya'', if they have to die then the ''brahmana'' will not kill, the ''ksatriya'' will kill. Now you see Viśvāmitra was troubled in the jungle at night by the tiger, but he did not have the power to kill it. No he came to Dasarath Mahārāja . . . "''catur varnyam maya sristam''" each has to do their own duty prescribed to them by the scriptures. All this knowledge what we have in India you have kicked it out and you are in your own parties.)</span>

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Ghee, first-class ''ghee'', we were purchasing, one rupee, Vardwa ''ghee''. Now what is the price of ''ghee''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Ghee, first-class ''ghee'', we were purchasing, one rupee, Vardwa ''ghee''. Now what is the price of ''ghee''?

	Indian man (1): Twenty-five.		'''Indian man (1):''' Twenty-five.

	Sita Ram Singh: Twenty rupees.		Sita Ram Singh: Twenty rupees.

	Indian man (1): Twenty, twenty-five. Between twenty and twenty-five, depending upon the place.		'''Indian man (1):''' Twenty, twenty-five. Between twenty and twenty-five, depending upon the place.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That means between twenty-five to thirty times, the price has increased. But income has not increased.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That means between twenty-five to thirty times, the price has increased. But income has not increased.

	Indian man (1): Not in the real sense.		'''Indian man (1):''' Not in the real sense.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No sense. All nonsense.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No sense. All nonsense.

	Indian man (1): No sense. Not at all.		'''Indian man (1):''' No sense. Not at all.

	Sita Ram Singh: No sense. No sense at all.		Sita Ram Singh: No sense. No sense at all.
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West they perform this operation for . . . what do they call it?		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West they perform this operation for . . . what do they call it?

	Indian man (1): Abortion.		'''Indian man (1):''' Abortion.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Abortion. They have legalized abortion. So the unborn fetus, after it's aborted, they're eating as food.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Abortion. They have legalized abortion. So the unborn fetus, after it's aborted, they're eating as food.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Pāpa? <span style="color:#ff9933">Paap to kuch suna hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Haven't heard of sin.)</span> <span style="color:#ff9933">Itna paap hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is so much sin.)</span> ''Prakṛteḥ kriya'' . . . ([[BG 3.27 (1972)\|BG 3.27]])		'''Prabhupāda:''' Pāpa? <span style="color:#ff9933">Paap to kuch suna hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Haven't heard of sin.)</span> <span style="color:#ff9933">Itna paap hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There is so much sin.)</span> ''Prakṛteḥ kriya'' . . . ([[BG 3.27 (1972)\|BG 3.27]])

	Indian man (1): Is there any way out?		'''Indian man (1):''' Is there any way out?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Where the Kṛṣṇa consciousness . . . why don't you come? You'll not come. You'll stick to your own principle. Here is the way out: ''mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). "No." You'll make your own party, that's all, and suffer. What can be done? You'll never take good advice from Kṛṣṇa. You'll take advice from Indira Gandhi. That's it. (indistinct Hindi) And discontentment. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye sab kuch hai hi nahi . . . "andha yatandir" bolne se thoda apradhi ho jata hai. baat hi aisa andha andhe ko chalayeg.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(All this is not there . . . "''Andha yatandir''." Just by saying . . . this is a fact. A blind man leads another blind man.)</span> ''Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ''. ''Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). They are trying to adjust things by the external nature. <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut si baatein hain wo samajhna hi nahi chahte hain.aur samjhane se wo bigad jate hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There are many facts which they don't want to understand and if we try to explain to them they get angry.)</span> ''Mūrkhāyopadeṣo hi prakopāya na''. <span style="color:#ff9933">Unko rehna hi to hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(They need to stay in something.)</span> Come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and be happy.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Where the Kṛṣṇa consciousness . . . why don't you come? You'll not come. You'll stick to your own principle. Here is the way out: ''mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti'' ([[BG 7.14 (1972)\|BG 7.14]]). "No." You'll make your own party, that's all, and suffer. What can be done? You'll never take good advice from Kṛṣṇa. You'll take advice from Indira Gandhi. That's it. (indistinct Hindi) And discontentment. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye sab kuch hai hi nahi . . . "andha yatandir" bolne se thoda apradhi ho jata hai. baat hi aisa andha andhe ko chalayeg.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(All this is not there . . . "''Andha yatandir''." Just by saying . . . this is a fact. A blind man leads another blind man.)</span> ''Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ''. ''Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ'' ([[SB 7.5.31\|SB 7.5.31]]). They are trying to adjust things by the external nature. <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut si baatein hain wo samajhna hi nahi chahte hain.aur samjhane se wo bigad jate hain.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(There are many facts which they don't want to understand and if we try to explain to them they get angry.)</span> ''Mūrkhāyopadeṣo hi prakopāya na''. <span style="color:#ff9933">Unko rehna hi to hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(They need to stay in something.)</span> Come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and be happy.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. And at the end there will be no wheat, no rice, no sugar, no milk, and you'll have to eat . . . I shall eat your flesh; you shall eat my flesh. They are eating already fetus of their own sons. What is that?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. And at the end there will be no wheat, no rice, no sugar, no milk, and you'll have to eat . . . I shall eat your flesh; you shall eat my flesh. They are eating already fetus of their own sons. What is that?

	Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In some countries in the West . . .		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Do they not?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Do they not?

	Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In some countries in the West they perform this operation for . . . what do they call it?		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In some countries in the West they perform this operation for . . . what do they call it?

	Indian man (1): Abortion.		Indian man (1): Abortion.

	Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Abortion. They have legalized abortion. So the unborn fetus, after it's aborted, they're eating as food.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Abortion. They have legalized abortion. So the unborn fetus, after it's aborted, they're eating as food.

	Sita Ram Singh: They have devised also even in India also. I don't know about . . .		Sita Ram Singh: They have devised also even in India also. I don't know about . . .

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	Prabhupada: <span style="color:#ff9933">Nahi kuch nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No nothing.)</span>		Prabhupada: <span style="color:#ff9933">Nahi kuch nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No nothing.)</span>

	Indian man (3): No, but is there any facility for getting Indian citizenship?		'''Indian man (3):''' No, but is there any facility for getting Indian citizenship?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. We don't want citizenship. What they will do with citizen . . . Indian citi . . .?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, no, no. We don't want citizenship. What they will do with citizen . . . Indian citi . . .?

	Indian man (3): Then what is the difficulty?		'''Indian man (3):''' Then what is the difficulty?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Difficulty is . . . let them live here as permanent residents, just like I am American permanent resident. I am not citizen. If I like, I can become citizen. But what is the use of becoming citizen? It is as good as citizen. <span style="color:#ff9933">Permanent resident ko yearly ek report deta hai ki aap idhar hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(For the permanent resident, they issue an yearly report stating that you are residing here.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' Difficulty is . . . let them live here as permanent residents, just like I am American permanent resident. I am not citizen. If I like, I can become citizen. But what is the use of becoming citizen? It is as good as citizen. <span style="color:#ff9933">Permanent resident ko yearly ek report deta hai ki aap idhar hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(For the permanent resident, they issue an yearly report stating that you are residing here.)</span>
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	Sita Ram Singh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Jab visa expire ho jata hai,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(When the visa expires,)</span> within that period they have to go back.		Sita Ram Singh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Jab visa expire ho jata hai,</span> <span style="color:#128807">(When the visa expires,)</span> within that period they have to go back.

	Indian man (3): . . . of extending the . . .		'''Indian man (3):''' . . . of extending the . . .

	Sita Ram Singh: Yes, of course, they have to go back, but . . .		Sita Ram Singh: Yes, of course, they have to go back, but . . .
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, extension . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">wo teen mahine me aate hain aur teen mahine aur extension.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(they come for three months and then again extend for three months.)</span> Generally.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, extension . . . <span style="color:#ff9933">wo teen mahine me aate hain aur teen mahine aur extension.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(they come for three months and then again extend for three months.)</span> Generally.

	Indian man (3): They don't give you this for permanent residentship		'''Indian man (3):''' They don't give you this for permanent residentship

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No.
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	Sita Ram Singh: And he should make a point. But the case should be just signed. Of course, a mandate of residency of your admission should also be . . .		Sita Ram Singh: And he should make a point. But the case should be just signed. Of course, a mandate of residency of your admission should also be . . .

	Indian man (3): Could the government not do the such and such . . .		'''Indian man (3):''' Could the government not do the such and such . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut hazaar . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Many thousands . . .)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bahut hazaar . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Many thousands . . .)</span>
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' But who will induce him to give up?		'''Prabhupāda:''' But who will induce him to give up?

	Indian man (3): If he can . . . he can relax it.		'''Indian man (3):''' If he can . . . he can relax it.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' He can do everything, but who will induce him to do?		'''Prabhupāda:''' He can do everything, but who will induce him to do?
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	Prabhupada: <span style="color:#ff9933">Kya dosh hai uska. Wo tumhara ek pasia bhi khayega nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What is his fault? He will not take even a single paisa from you.)</span>		Prabhupada: <span style="color:#ff9933">Kya dosh hai uska. Wo tumhara ek pasia bhi khayega nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What is his fault? He will not take even a single paisa from you.)</span>

	Indian man (3): <span style="color:#ff9933">Abhi to election ho raha hai uske baad is mamle ko . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Now elections are going on after that we shall take up this matter . . .)</span>		'''Indian man (3):''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Abhi to election ho raha hai uske baad is mamle ko . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Now elections are going on after that we shall take up this matter . . .)</span>

	Sita Ram Singh: This matter can be brought before Vajpayi because he is charge of foreign affairs . . . you have got this culture.		Sita Ram Singh: This matter can be brought before Vajpayi because he is charge of foreign affairs . . . you have got this culture.

	Indian man: <span style="color:#ff9933">Permanent resident ko koi . . . agar rehna chahta hai</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No one can remove permanent resident . . . if he wants to stay.)</span> If somebody is living here <span style="color:#ff9933">agar aap usko to theek hai . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(if you can . . . then it is alright)</span> Rules need certain ammendment . . . (indistinct Hindi) (end)		Indian man: <span style="color:#ff9933">Permanent resident ko koi . . . agar rehna chahta hai</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No one can remove permanent resident . . . if he wants to stay.)</span> If somebody is living here <span style="color:#ff9933">agar aap usko to theek hai . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(if you can . . . then it is alright)</span> Rules need certain ammendment . . . (indistinct Hindi) (end)