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RasaRasika at 04:28, 21 November 2023

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RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Dr. Ghosh:" to "'''Dr. Ghosh:'''"

2023-10-07T01:58:34Z

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RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:" to "'''Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:'''"

2023-10-05T04:24:02Z

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (break) (indistinct) . . . what is that ''jīva-bhūta''? They are living entities. What is that ''jīva-bhūta''? ''Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bā'' . . . ''yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat''. Without that these ''jīva-bhūta'', these material elements are developed? Where is that? Find out this verse.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (break) (indistinct) . . . what is that ''jīva-bhūta''? They are living entities. What is that ''jīva-bhūta''? ''Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bā'' . . . ''yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat''. Without that these ''jīva-bhūta'', these material elements are developed? Where is that? Find out this verse.

	Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: In ''Gītā''?		'''Gopāla Kṛṣṇa:''' In ''Gītā''?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Read it.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Read it.

RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Bhakti-caru:" to "'''Bhakti-caru:'''"

2023-10-05T04:11:54Z

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Little cold water. And our mission is to deliver them by giving knowledge. ''Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa'' ([[CC Madhya 7.128\|CC Madhya 7.128]]). Our mission is not to keep men in darkness. Otherwise, "Let them go to hell, śūnyavādi. We don't . . ." No. They should not remain in that way. They should come to the real light. This is our policy. (pause)		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Little cold water. And our mission is to deliver them by giving knowledge. ''Āmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa'' ([[CC Madhya 7.128\|CC Madhya 7.128]]). Our mission is not to keep men in darkness. Otherwise, "Let them go to hell, śūnyavādi. We don't . . ." No. They should not remain in that way. They should come to the real light. This is our policy. (pause)

	Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda?		'''Bhakti-caru:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

	Bhakti-caru: <span style="color:#ff9933">Nārāyaṇa Mahārājer songe kotha holo. Uni kalke asben. Aar uni bollen je, kono osubidha nei, sompurno bhabe raji achen. Aar onar anubad kora "Jaiba Dharma" aar "Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" ei duto boi apnake diechen. To ami ekta hot water bag apnar jonne nea eschi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I had a talk with Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja. He will come tomorrow. He said he has no problem, he totally agreed. He has given you these two books translated by him named "''Jaiba Dharma''" and "Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu". Also I have brought a hot water bag for you.)</span> (offers obeisances and leaves)		'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Nārāyaṇa Mahārājer songe kotha holo. Uni kalke asben. Aar uni bollen je, kono osubidha nei, sompurno bhabe raji achen. Aar onar anubad kora "Jaiba Dharma" aar "Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" ei duto boi apnake diechen. To ami ekta hot water bag apnar jonne nea eschi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I had a talk with Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja. He will come tomorrow. He said he has no problem, he totally agreed. He has given you these two books translated by him named "''Jaiba Dharma''" and "Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu". Also I have brought a hot water bag for you.)</span> (offers obeisances and leaves)

	'''Harikeśa:''' When we finish this description, our understanding of this description of the universe, and present it to the scientists and to the world, people will become astounded. (aside) Huh?		'''Harikeśa:''' When we finish this description, our understanding of this description of the universe, and present it to the scientists and to the world, people will become astounded. (aside) Huh?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)

	Bhakti-caru: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha ami dichhilam ota. Majhe majhe dichhi ota. . . . (indistinct) . . . ros kore.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes I was giving him that. Giving it occasionally . . . (indistinct) . . . making juice.)</span>		'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha ami dichhilam ota. Majhe majhe dichhi ota. . . . (indistinct) . . . ros kore.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes I was giving him that. Giving it occasionally . . . (indistinct) . . . making juice.)</span>

	Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Apni ki Upendra naki?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you Upendra?)</span>		Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Apni ki Upendra naki?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you Upendra?)</span>

	Bhakti-caru: <span style="color:#ff9933">Na. Amar naam . . . Upendra ei je.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No. My name is . . . here is Upendra.)</span>		'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Na. Amar naam . . . Upendra ei je.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No. My name is . . . here is Upendra.)</span>

	Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?		Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?

RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Kīrtanānanda:" to "'''Kīrtanānanda:'''"

2023-10-05T03:58:17Z

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Give me . . . what fruit you have?		'''Prabhupāda:''' (aside) Give me . . . what fruit you have?

	Kīrtanānanda: Orange. Orange.		'''Kīrtanānanda:''' Orange. Orange.

	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' When this philosophy is reversed, then life becomes full of meaning and full of purpose. Actually that is a fact. We give value to life. That's why we go to the . . . we send our children for higher studies and we develop so many political and social and ethical and moral problems. That means there is purpose in life. So life is not void. But somehow, when one misses that point, he just comes to that point. But that's not a fact. So it has to be understood that there is . . . life is full of meaning and full of purpose, and there is a goal behind it. That purpose is to develop spiritual consciousness, to develop the science of ātmā called ātma-jñāna, the science of the self, and becomes . . . life becomes meaningful.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' When this philosophy is reversed, then life becomes full of meaning and full of purpose. Actually that is a fact. We give value to life. That's why we go to the . . . we send our children for higher studies and we develop so many political and social and ethical and moral problems. That means there is purpose in life. So life is not void. But somehow, when one misses that point, he just comes to that point. But that's not a fact. So it has to be understood that there is . . . life is full of meaning and full of purpose, and there is a goal behind it. That purpose is to develop spiritual consciousness, to develop the science of ātmā called ātma-jñāna, the science of the self, and becomes . . . life becomes meaningful.

RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Upendra:" to "'''Upendra:'''"

2023-10-05T03:36:35Z

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	Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?		Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?

	Upendra: Massage. He's cooking.		'''Upendra:''' Massage. He's cooking.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">. . . (indistinct) . . . ekti chele eseche, se apnar moton field e ache.</span> <span style="color:#128807">( . . . (indistinct) . . . one boy has come, he is from the same field as yours.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">. . . (indistinct) . . . ekti chele eseche, se apnar moton field e ache.</span> <span style="color:#128807">( . . . (indistinct) . . . one boy has come, he is from the same field as yours.)</span>

RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Devotee:" to "'''Devotee:'''"

2023-10-05T03:27:15Z

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Both of you are very intelligent boys. I want to see that you are always busy in these affairs. <span style="color:#ff9933">Jaga hai hamare pas. Wo paisa ka kuch kami hani hai. Bhagawan sab de dega. Karo, aap barao . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(We have a place. There is no scarcity of money also. God will arrange for everything. You just do it, expand it . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> Haa. Bhaktivedanta Gurukula and Institute for Higher Studies. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye naam kara hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Have kept this name.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' Both of you are very intelligent boys. I want to see that you are always busy in these affairs. <span style="color:#ff9933">Jaga hai hamare pas. Wo paisa ka kuch kami hani hai. Bhagawan sab de dega. Karo, aap barao . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(We have a place. There is no scarcity of money also. God will arrange for everything. You just do it, expand it . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> Haa. Bhaktivedanta Gurukula and Institute for Higher Studies. <span style="color:#ff9933">Ye naam kara hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Have kept this name.)</span>

	Devotee: For higher studies.		'''Devotee:''' For higher studies.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Thik hai . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's alright . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> I want to see that you are always busy. Busy-ness. That will give me pleasure. Laziness I don't want. Personally I was never lazy. I did not like laziness.		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Thik hai . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's alright . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span> I want to see that you are always busy. Busy-ness. That will give me pleasure. Laziness I don't want. Personally I was never lazy. I did not like laziness.
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	Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha. Apni to . . . amar to hiseb moton apni kal theke bhalo hote arombho hoyechen. Ajke ektu bhalo achen. Kal eke, khub bhalo thakben. Apnar kono bhoi nei. Onno rokom achen. Sudhu apnar ektu pechhap amar dorkar. Aar . . . (indistinct) . . . aar apnader gomutro. Gomutro ache na, kaloo gai er mutro?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. You . . . as per my calculation, your health improvement started yesterday. Today you are doing a little better. From tomorrow, you will be much better. You have nothing to worry. You are appearing a little different. I just need some urine samples from you. And . . . (indistinct) . . . cow urine. Don't you have cow urine, urine from a black cow?)</span>		Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha. Apni to . . . amar to hiseb moton apni kal theke bhalo hote arombho hoyechen. Ajke ektu bhalo achen. Kal eke, khub bhalo thakben. Apnar kono bhoi nei. Onno rokom achen. Sudhu apnar ektu pechhap amar dorkar. Aar . . . (indistinct) . . . aar apnader gomutro. Gomutro ache na, kaloo gai er mutro?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. You . . . as per my calculation, your health improvement started yesterday. Today you are doing a little better. From tomorrow, you will be much better. You have nothing to worry. You are appearing a little different. I just need some urine samples from you. And . . . (indistinct) . . . cow urine. Don't you have cow urine, urine from a black cow?)</span>

	Devotee: What do you need?		'''Devotee:''' What do you need?

	Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ajkal daktar ra, sob jaigai, prithibite sorbotro . . . (indistinct) . . . apni uthe darale . . . (indistinct) . . . chirokal thakbe.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Nowadays everywhere, all over the world, doctors are . . . (indistinct) . . . when you will be cured . . . (indistinct) . . . it will be forever.)</span>		Dr. Ghosh: <span style="color:#ff9933">Ajkal daktar ra, sob jaigai, prithibite sorbotro . . . (indistinct) . . . apni uthe darale . . . (indistinct) . . . chirokal thakbe.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Nowadays everywhere, all over the world, doctors are . . . (indistinct) . . . when you will be cured . . . (indistinct) . . . it will be forever.)</span>

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2023-10-05T03:17:26Z

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RasaRasika: Text replacement - "Svarūpa Dāmodara:" to "'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:'''"

2023-10-05T03:04:36Z

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	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' As soon as we go out and preach, I think we can get . . .		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' As soon as we go out and preach, I think we can get . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bulao sab bare bare Ph.D logo ko, keya tumhare . . . (indistinct) . . . aise pucho. Science me man hai, tum vedic literature mere pas hai, sab le kar ke karao. Keya lagta hai? Aao tumhara keya bolna hai. Idhar raho, idhar charcha karo, suno, upakar karo, un logo ko gyan do. Saraswati . . . (indistinct) . . . ~~Humara~~ Bharat varsa me itni bari gyan hai, isko gyan ho khal ho karke chupate rahe. To program karao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Call all your those big big Ph.D people and ask what is your . . . (indistinct) . . . your mind is science oriented, I have vedic literature with me, you utilize everything and do it. What do you think? Come and say what you want to say. Stay here and discuss, listen, do what will be beneficial to them, give them knowledge. Saraswati . . . (indistinct) . . . (sanskrit sloka), Godess Saraswati . . . our Bharat Varsa is a storehouse of knowledge. They try to hide this knowledge saying all these to be fake knowledge. So do this program.)</span> You are all qualified. I can give you ideas. Now I am doing. So I wanted to see that you are all busy. That I want. Because now I am becoming invalid. I cannot move very swiftly here and there. But if you move, I . . . I take pleasure. There is a Bengali proverb, ''napar ji mane naat jamai bharta''. A old lady, so she has lost her husband. She cannot joke. (chuckles) Husband, wife, they exchange some joking word. So with whom she will joke? Then, then the grandson-in-law, grandson . . . so in our society, Bengal, the grandson-in-law . . . I have got experience also. When I was newly married grandson-in-law, so my grandmother-in-law was joking with me like anything, more than husband. (laughter) And granddaughter-in-law. So we sit down and she talks very openly everything. We remember that. Because she was enjoying. By talking like that, free, with granddaughter and grandson-in-law, she was enjoying. And we were also enjoying. So my position is like that. I cannot move now very swiftly here and there, becoming invalid. So if I see that you are doing these things, that will give me pleasure. Yes. Granddaughter-in-law.		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bulao sab bare bare Ph.D logo ko, keya tumhare . . . (indistinct) . . . aise pucho. Science me man hai, tum vedic literature mere pas hai, sab le kar ke karao. Keya lagta hai? Aao tumhara keya bolna hai. Idhar raho, idhar charcha karo, suno, upakar karo, un logo ko gyan do. Saraswati . . . (indistinct) . . . humara Bharat varsa me itni bari gyan hai, isko gyan ho khal ho karke chupate rahe. To program karao.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Call all your those big big Ph.D people and ask what is your . . . (indistinct) . . . your mind is science oriented, I have vedic literature with me, you utilize everything and do it. What do you think? Come and say what you want to say. Stay here and discuss, listen, do what will be beneficial to them, give them knowledge. Saraswati . . . (indistinct) . . . (sanskrit sloka), Godess Saraswati . . . our Bharat Varsa is a storehouse of knowledge. They try to hide this knowledge saying all these to be fake knowledge. So do this program.)</span> You are all qualified. I can give you ideas. Now I am doing. So I wanted to see that you are all busy. That I want. Because now I am becoming invalid. I cannot move very swiftly here and there. But if you move, I . . . I take pleasure. There is a Bengali proverb, ''napar ji mane naat jamai bharta''. A old lady, so she has lost her husband. She cannot joke. (chuckles) Husband, wife, they exchange some joking word. So with whom she will joke? Then, then the grandson-in-law, grandson . . . so in our society, Bengal, the grandson-in-law . . . I have got experience also. When I was newly married grandson-in-law, so my grandmother-in-law was joking with me like anything, more than husband. (laughter) And granddaughter-in-law. So we sit down and she talks very openly everything. We remember that. Because she was enjoying. By talking like that, free, with granddaughter and grandson-in-law, she was enjoying. And we were also enjoying. So my position is like that. I cannot move now very swiftly here and there, becoming invalid. So if I see that you are doing these things, that will give me pleasure. Yes. Granddaughter-in-law.

	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' I also found that in Boston, the Indian communities, they are very interested in this program.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' I also found that in Boston, the Indian communities, they are very interested in this program.
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	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' When this philosophy is reversed, then life becomes full of meaning and full of purpose. Actually that is a fact. We give value to life. That's why we go to the . . . we send our children for higher studies and we develop so many political and social and ethical and moral problems. That means there is purpose in life. So life is not void. But somehow, when one misses that point, he just comes to that point. But that's not a fact. So it has to be understood that there is . . . life is full of meaning and full of purpose, and there is a goal behind it. That purpose is to develop spiritual consciousness, to develop the science of ātmā called ātma-jñāna, the science of the self, and becomes . . . life becomes meaningful.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' When this philosophy is reversed, then life becomes full of meaning and full of purpose. Actually that is a fact. We give value to life. That's why we go to the . . . we send our children for higher studies and we develop so many political and social and ethical and moral problems. That means there is purpose in life. So life is not void. But somehow, when one misses that point, he just comes to that point. But that's not a fact. So it has to be understood that there is . . . life is full of meaning and full of purpose, and there is a goal behind it. That purpose is to develop spiritual consciousness, to develop the science of ātmā called ātma-jñāna, the science of the self, and becomes . . . life becomes meaningful.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the statement in ''Bhāgavata'': ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). ''Gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'', they dismiss the case because ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvam''. Just like thieves, "Eh! What is government? What is government? Let us enjoy." That's not the fact. So we have to put all these questions before learned scholars and ask them to make a solution. . . . (indistinct) . . . why zero?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the statement in ''Bhāgavata'': ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). ''Gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'', they dismiss the case because ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvam''. Just like thieves, "Eh! What is government? What is government? Let us enjoy." That's not the fact. So we have to put all these questions before learned scholars and ask them to make a solution . . . (indistinct) . . . why zero?

	'''Harikeśa:''' In other words, no matter what they come up with, what ideas they come up with, what knowledge they have, it's of no value because it doesn't . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' In other words, no matter what they come up with, what ideas they come up with, what knowledge they have, it's of no value because it doesn't . . .
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	'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ete apnar kichu korar nei.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You have nothing to do with this.)</span>		'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ete apnar kichu korar nei.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You have nothing to do with this.)</span>

	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Sei bhalo. . . . (indistinct) . . . ~~Thik~~ achhe.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's better . . . (indistinct) . . . that's all right.)</span> . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Sei bhalo. . . . (indistinct) . . . thik achhe.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's better . . . (indistinct) . . . that's all right.)</span> . . . (indistinct)

	'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Apnar jonne sob toiri. Ektu bhalo hole apnake nea jabo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Everything is ready for you. When you will become little better, will take you there.)</span>		'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Apnar jonne sob toiri. Ektu bhalo hole apnake nea jabo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Everything is ready for you. When you will become little better, will take you there.)</span>
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)		'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct)

	'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha ami dichhilam ota. Majhe majhe dichhi ota. . . . (indistinct) . . . ros kore.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes I was giving him that. Giving it occasionally . . . (indistinct) . . . making juice.)</span>		'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ha ami dichhilam ota. Majhe majhe dichhi ota . . . (indistinct) . . . ros kore.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes I was giving him that. Giving it occasionally . . . (indistinct) . . . making juice.)</span>

	'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Apni ki Upendra naki?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you Upendra?)</span>		'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Apni ki Upendra naki?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you Upendra?)</span>

	'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Na. Amar naam . . . Upendra ei je.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No. My name is . . . here is Upendra.)</span>		'''Bhakti-caru:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Na. Amar naam . . . Upendra ei je.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No. My name is . . . here is Upendra.)</span>

	'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?		'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Eke seba koren apni?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Are you the one who is serving him?)</span> You take care of him?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ami to Bombay obdhi geachi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I traveled until Bombay.)</span>		'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Ami to Bombay obdhi geachi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I traveled until Bombay.)</span>

	'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bombay ekta . . . ~~Sorire~~ jor baran to. Bolun rakhe kesto mare ke! I'm sorry, he wants to be . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Bombay is a . . . try to increase your bodily strength. Keep in mind, if Krishna wants to save someone who can kill him! I'm sorry, he wants to be . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span>		'''Dr. Ghosh:''' <span style="color:#ff9933">Bombay ekta . . . sorire jor baran to. Bolun rakhe kesto mare ke! I'm sorry, he wants to be . . . (indistinct) . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Bombay is a . . . try to increase your bodily strength. Keep in mind, if Krishna wants to save someone who can kill him! I'm sorry, he wants to be . . . (indistinct) . . .)</span>

	'''Bhavānanda:''' Little bit.		'''Bhavānanda:''' Little bit.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Whether it has got any value? Whether such statement has any value?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Whether it has got any value? Whether such statement has any value?

	Harikeśa: Whether such statement has any value?		'''Harikeśa:''' Whether such statement has any value?

	'''Ādi-keśava:''' To say that it has no existence, that it is all void?		'''Ādi-keśava:''' To say that it has no existence, that it is all void?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the statement in ''Bhāgavata'': ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). ''Gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'', they dismiss the case because ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvam''. Just like thieves, "Eh! What is government? What is government? Let us enjoy." That's not the fact. So we have to put all these questions before learned scholars and ask them to make a solution. . . . (indistinct) . . . why zero?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the statement in ''Bhāgavata'': ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'' ([[SB 2.1.2\|SB 2.1.2]]). ''Gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām'', they dismiss the case because ''apaśyatām ātma-tattvam''. Just like thieves, "Eh! What is government? What is government? Let us enjoy." That's not the fact. So we have to put all these questions before learned scholars and ask them to make a solution. . . . (indistinct) . . . why zero?

	Harikeśa: In other words, no matter what they come up with, what ideas they come up with, what knowledge they have, it's of no value because it doesn't . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' In other words, no matter what they come up with, what ideas they come up with, what knowledge they have, it's of no value because it doesn't . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Their knowledge has no value. That is our first charge.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Their knowledge has no value. That is our first charge.

	Harikeśa: It has no value because it doesn't do anything of any value . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' It has no value because it doesn't do anything of any value . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no conclusion. Zero. Zero? For zero why there are so many varieties? Wherefrom the varieties came?		'''Prabhupāda:''' There is no conclusion. Zero. Zero? For zero why there are so many varieties? Wherefrom the varieties came?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is the fact.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is the fact.

	Harikeśa: And that all their speculations simply end up in their own death. And at that point they have no idea what will happen next. But they have to take another body. Although they may try to say . . .		'''Harikeśa:''' And that all their speculations simply end up in their own death. And at that point they have no idea what will happen next. But they have to take another body. Although they may try to say . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They are taking. That example is already there. He finishes his childhood; he accepts boyhood. Why he has left childhood? Finish childhood. Finish. That's all. Why again bother?		'''Prabhupāda:''' They are taking. That example is already there. He finishes his childhood; he accepts boyhood. Why he has left childhood? Finish childhood. Finish. That's all. Why again bother?

	Harikeśa: Force of time.		'''Harikeśa:''' Force of time.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That means he is under the control of something higher, but he refutes, tries to avoid it. That cannot be avoided. A child must become a boy. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' That means he is under the control of something higher, but he refutes, tries to avoid it. That cannot be avoided. A child must become a boy. ''Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ'' ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]).

	Harikeśa: But the worst thing is that not only are they causing themselves trouble, but they cause it upon everyone else.		'''Harikeśa:''' But the worst thing is that not only are they causing themselves trouble, but they cause it upon everyone else.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is natural. Causing everyone else means the same group. ''Andhā yathāndhaiḥ''. One who is blind, he can be cheated by another blind man. But one who is not blind, if the blind man wants to cheat him that, "I can help you crossing the room," he will laugh, that, "This rascal is blind, and he has offered me to help me." We take this, that if a person is . . . we know that he is defective, his knowledge is imperfect, what knowledge he will give? Immediately reject him.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is natural. Causing everyone else means the same group. ''Andhā yathāndhaiḥ''. One who is blind, he can be cheated by another blind man. But one who is not blind, if the blind man wants to cheat him that, "I can help you crossing the room," he will laugh, that, "This rascal is blind, and he has offered me to help me." We take this, that if a person is . . . we know that he is defective, his knowledge is imperfect, what knowledge he will give? Immediately reject him.

	Harikeśa: He can give us knowledge on how to accelerate death.		'''Harikeśa:''' He can give us knowledge on how to accelerate death.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

	Harikeśa: He can give good knowledge on how to accelerate death.		'''Harikeśa:''' He can give good knowledge on how to accelerate death.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is natural. There is no question of his accelerating. It is already going on in this world. (pause) So many things we have to discuss. Is it not? People are in darkness in so many ways. Therefore we have to take the standard knowledge.		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is natural. There is no question of his accelerating. It is already going on in this world. (pause) So many things we have to discuss. Is it not? People are in darkness in so many ways. Therefore we have to take the standard knowledge.
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	Bhakti-caru: <span style="color:#ff9933">Nārāyaṇa Mahārājer songe kotha holo. Uni kalke asben. Aar uni bollen je, kono osubidha nei, sompurno bhabe raji achen. Aar onar anubad kora "Jaiba Dharma" aar "Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" ei duto boi apnake diechen. To ami ekta hot water bag apnar jonne nea eschi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I had a talk with Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja. He will come tomorrow. He said he has no problem, he totally agreed. He has given you these two books translated by him named "''Jaiba Dharma''" and "Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu". Also I have brought a hot water bag for you.)</span> (offers obeisances and leaves)		Bhakti-caru: <span style="color:#ff9933">Nārāyaṇa Mahārājer songe kotha holo. Uni kalke asben. Aar uni bollen je, kono osubidha nei, sompurno bhabe raji achen. Aar onar anubad kora "Jaiba Dharma" aar "Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu" ei duto boi apnake diechen. To ami ekta hot water bag apnar jonne nea eschi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I had a talk with Nārāyaṇa Mahārāja. He will come tomorrow. He said he has no problem, he totally agreed. He has given you these two books translated by him named "''Jaiba Dharma''" and "Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu". Also I have brought a hot water bag for you.)</span> (offers obeisances and leaves)

	Harikeśa: When we finish this description, our understanding of this description of the universe, and present it to the scientists and to the world, people will become astounded. (aside) Huh?		'''Harikeśa:''' When we finish this description, our understanding of this description of the universe, and present it to the scientists and to the world, people will become astounded. (aside) Huh?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (break) (indistinct) . . . what is that ''jīva-bhūta''? They are living entities. What is that ''jīva-bhūta''? ''Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bā'' . . . ''yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat''. Without that these ''jīva-bhūta'', these material elements are developed? Where is that? Find out this verse.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. (break) (indistinct) . . . what is that ''jīva-bhūta''? They are living entities. What is that ''jīva-bhūta''? ''Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bā'' . . . ''yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat''. Without that these ''jīva-bhūta'', these material elements are developed? Where is that? Find out this verse.