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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the aim of life. So everything is explained in ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. And then these unfortunate rascals, they are distorting. What can I do? How to stop it?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is the aim of life. So everything is explained in ''Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam''. And then these unfortunate rascals, they are distorting. What can I do? How to stop it?

	Devotee: But they will argue, "Why should we accept that there will be a next life? Why should we accept that there's . . ."		'''Devotee:''' But they will argue, "Why should we accept that there will be a next life? Why should we accept that there's . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Rascal, why you are accepting old age? You are young man. You have to accept, become. Why you are accepting, rascal? Answer this.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Rascal, why you are accepting old age? You are young man. You have to accept, become. Why you are accepting, rascal? Answer this.

	Devotee: I don't know.		'''Devotee:''' I don't know.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So then why do you talk nonsense, "Why shall I accept?" You have to accept, nonsense. That is the law of nature. Do you think you'll not become an old man like me? "I'll not accept." You have to accept. So what is the use of saying like that, foolish rascals?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So then why do you talk nonsense, "Why shall I accept?" You have to accept, nonsense. That is the law of nature. Do you think you'll not become an old man like me? "I'll not accept." You have to accept. So what is the use of saying like that, foolish rascals?

	Devotee: So they must accept that . . .		'''Devotee:''' So they must accept that . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' They must accept. They have to accept.		'''Prabhupāda:''' They must accept. They have to accept.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not change? You are a young man; now you have become old. Then you have no eyes. You are blind. I was not a young man?		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is not change? You are a young man; now you have become old. Then you have no eyes. You are blind. I was not a young man?

	Devotee: But they will argue, "What is the necessary . . ."		'''Devotee:''' But they will argue, "What is the necessary . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the use of argument? You have to change. You are going to be hanged. There is no argument. You must be hanged.		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the use of argument? You have to change. You are going to be hanged. There is no argument. You must be hanged.

	Devotee: But why a dog's body?		'''Devotee:''' But why a dog's body?

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, why a dog's body? We have seen that you became an old man from a young man, but we never saw a man become a dog.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Yeah, why a dog's body? We have seen that you became an old man from a young man, but we never saw a man become a dog.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. No, physical law. Just like worm will change into butterfly. You can see.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. No, physical law. Just like worm will change into butterfly. You can see.

	Devotee: Tadpole to a frog.		'''Devotee:''' Tadpole to a frog.

	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' Science accepts that all the cells in a human body changes completely in seven years.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' Science accepts that all the cells in a human body changes completely in seven years.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Seen by intelligence. (break) We are accepting everything like that.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Seen by intelligence. (break) We are accepting everything like that.

	Devotee: So they will say: "We accept there is a change of bodies. So then life is simply changing bodies. There is no more than this, simply . . ."		'''Devotee:''' So they will say: "We accept there is a change of bodies. So then life is simply changing bodies. There is no more than this, simply . . ."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No, there is stoppage of change of body when you . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' No, there is stoppage of change of body when you . . .

	Devotee: How so?		'''Devotee:''' How so?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' How you . . . how you know? You are a rascal. What do you know? You learn it. You are rascal. What you know? You become intelligent. ''Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet ''(MU 1.2.12). You are a rascal. What do you know? The difficulty is that you are rascal; you want to take the position of a learned man. And that is your fault. You do not accept your position, that you are a rascal.		'''Prabhupāda:''' How you . . . how you know? You are a rascal. What do you know? You learn it. You are rascal. What you know? You become intelligent. ''Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet ''(MU 1.2.12). You are a rascal. What do you know? The difficulty is that you are rascal; you want to take the position of a learned man. And that is your fault. You do not accept your position, that you are a rascal.

	Devotee: So first we must . . .		'''Devotee:''' So first we must . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

	Devotee: . . . they must become a little humble.		'''Devotee:''' . . . they must become a little humble.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. ''Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā ''([[BG 4.34 (1972)\|BG 4.34]]).
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So that is the difficulty at the present . . . a rascal is arguing. What is the meaning of his argument? He's a rascal. It has no meaning.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So that is the difficulty at the present . . . a rascal is arguing. What is the meaning of his argument? He's a rascal. It has no meaning.

	Devotee: All procrastination.		'''Devotee:''' All procrastination.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So read ''Bhāgavatam ''very seriously. Then your rascaldom will go. ''Lokasyājānato vidvāṁś cakre sātvata ''. . . ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). All rascals. For their knowledge the ''Bhāgavata ''was written. ''Mūḍho nābhijānāti'', ''mohito nābhijānāti''. The difficulty is a rascal is thinking himself as very advanced in knowledge. That is the difficulty.		'''Prabhupāda:''' So read ''Bhāgavatam ''very seriously. Then your rascaldom will go. ''Lokasyājānato vidvāṁś cakre sātvata ''. . . ([[SB 1.7.6\|SB 1.7.6]]). All rascals. For their knowledge the ''Bhāgavata ''was written. ''Mūḍho nābhijānāti'', ''mohito nābhijānāti''. The difficulty is a rascal is thinking himself as very advanced in knowledge. That is the difficulty.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . find this verse, ''munayaḥ sādhu pṛṣṭo 'ham ''. . . ([[SB 1.2.5\|SB 1.2.5]]).		'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . . find this verse, ''munayaḥ sādhu pṛṣṭo 'ham ''. . . ([[SB 1.2.5\|SB 1.2.5]]).

	Devotee (1): ''Munayaḥ sādhu pṛṣṭo 'ham''.		'''Devotee (1):''' ''Munayaḥ sādhu pṛṣṭo 'ham''.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' (aside) There's no index. It's not a new ''Bhāgavatam''. There's no index in this ''Bhāgavatam''. ''Munayaḥ sādhu ''. . .? "The Effects of Kali-yuga" chapter? Is that the verse, about the effects of Kali-yuga? No. (background talking, looking for verse)		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' (aside) There's no index. It's not a new ''Bhāgavatam''. There's no index in this ''Bhāgavatam''. ''Munayaḥ sādhu ''. . .? "The Effects of Kali-yuga" chapter? Is that the verse, about the effects of Kali-yuga? No. (background talking, looking for verse)
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's what it's translated as, "This is relevant." Maybe a mistake.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That's what it's translated as, "This is relevant." Maybe a mistake.

	Devotee (1): It's a mistake.		'''Devotee (1):''' It's a mistake.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Munayaḥ''?		'''Prabhupāda:''' ''Munayaḥ''?

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	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' Same thing is with the ''Back to Godhead''. Just publish some photo, try to change so many things in order to make it popularized. They have been doing that even with the philosophy. (pause)		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' Same thing is with the ''Back to Godhead''. Just publish some photo, try to change so many things in order to make it popularized. They have been doing that even with the philosophy. (pause)

	Śatadhanya: I remember when Rāmeśvara was here, he had mentioned that in one article you had denounced the Christians strongly, so he said he left one part out because he was afraid there would be a bad reaction from the Christians in America. So that kind of decision . . .		'''Śatadhanya:''' I remember when Rāmeśvara was here, he had mentioned that in one article you had denounced the Christians strongly, so he said he left one part out because he was afraid there would be a bad reaction from the Christians in America. So that kind of decision . . .

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That is possible. That is possible. He should be careful. Then?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That is possible. That is possible. He should be careful. Then?
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. And therefore the civilization should be ''athāto brahma jijñāsā'', simply to enquire about the Absolute Truth. And that is civilization. Now you can . . . whatever little we have discussed, you can discuss now and close our book. How wrongly the whole civilization is carried on, how risky it is, that they do not know. Now, what the materialist has to say in this connection?		'''Prabhupāda:''' That's all right. And therefore the civilization should be ''athāto brahma jijñāsā'', simply to enquire about the Absolute Truth. And that is civilization. Now you can . . . whatever little we have discussed, you can discuss now and close our book. How wrongly the whole civilization is carried on, how risky it is, that they do not know. Now, what the materialist has to say in this connection?

	Śatadhanya: They say everything is getting better.		'''Śatadhanya:''' They say everything is getting better.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that better?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is that better?
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	'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' We are thinking that we are improving, but actually we are not solving the problems.		'''Svarūpa Dāmodara:''' We are thinking that we are improving, but actually we are not solving the problems.

	Śatadhanya: You said the other day that if we analyze what the scientists have done, we will see that they have actually done nothing beneficial; no benefit. Whatever they have done has no benefit, simply some comfort of the body. But what benefit it has?		'''Śatadhanya:''' You said the other day that if we analyze what the scientists have done, we will see that they have actually done nothing beneficial; no benefit. Whatever they have done has no benefit, simply some comfort of the body. But what benefit it has?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like they have improved . . . a man is going to die. By oxygen, by other, other, he may live for a few minutes more. They say, "This is improvement."		'''Prabhupāda:''' Just like they have improved . . . a man is going to die. By oxygen, by other, other, he may live for a few minutes more. They say, "This is improvement."

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Maybe.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Maybe.

	Indian devotee (2): Jagannātha-suta.		'''Indian devotee (2):''' Jagannātha-suta.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Jagannātha-suta.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Jagannātha-suta.

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	Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think we should make whole survey, all books already printed, before printing the next batch, and check any mistakes so that it should be all corrected. Otherwise, if the scholars find out that there are so many mistakes in the books, then the quality and the appreciation will be reduced.		Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think we should make whole survey, all books already printed, before printing the next batch, and check any mistakes so that it should be all corrected. Otherwise, if the scholars find out that there are so many mistakes in the books, then the quality and the appreciation will be reduced.

	Girirāja: . . . (indistinct)		'''Girirāja:''' . . . (indistinct)

	Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. We find so far that they are appreciating so much within the scholarly circle, and we want to maintain that actually.		Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. We find so far that they are appreciating so much within the scholarly circle, and we want to maintain that actually.

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	Prabhupāda: So on the whole, they have not come to the platform to know about life. That's all right.		Prabhupāda: So on the whole, they have not come to the platform to know about life. That's all right.

	Devotees: ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda. (end)		'''Devotees:''' ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda. (end)

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	Prabhupāda: So how they can be reliable, so-called, this way . . .? (background whispering) Hmm?		Prabhupāda: So how they can be reliable, so-called, this way . . .? (background whispering) Hmm?

	Yaśodā-nandana: In the ''Gurukula ''we were teaching ''Īśopaniṣad ''class to the children. So we took original, maybe first edition . . . (break) . . . Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They're changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' In the ''Gurukula ''we were teaching ''Īśopaniṣad ''class to the children. So we took original, maybe first edition . . . (break) . . . Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They're changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.

	Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?		Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?
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	Prabhupāda: Very serious feature. It is not possible for me to check, and they are doing all nonsense, freedom. (pause)		Prabhupāda: Very serious feature. It is not possible for me to check, and they are doing all nonsense, freedom. (pause)

	Yaśodā-nandana: ''Jaya ''Śrīla Prabhupāda.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' ''Jaya ''Śrīla Prabhupāda.

	Prabhupāda: What to do?		Prabhupāda: What to do?
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	Prabhupāda: Jayādvaita, Satsvarūpa . . .		Prabhupāda: Jayādvaita, Satsvarūpa . . .

	Yaśodā-nandana: Bhakti-prema; Satsvarūpa is there.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' Bhakti-prema; Satsvarūpa is there.

	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' So Bhakti-prema . . . that's a good solution.		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' So Bhakti-prema . . . that's a good solution.
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	'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' He actually took out the whole part about their going to the moon being childish. He deleted the whole section. The whole thing. He said it is . . . (indistinct)		'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' He actually took out the whole part about their going to the moon being childish. He deleted the whole section. The whole thing. He said it is . . . (indistinct)

	Yaśodā-nandana: Also in the ''Bhāgavatam'', where Prabhupāda was talking about Lord Buddha . . . you mentioned that if the followers of Lord Buddha do not close the slaughterhouse, there is no meaning to such a caricature. That word was very nice. But in new book that word is not there any more. They have pulled the word. The meaning of the word is not . . . so many times.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' Also in the ''Bhāgavatam'', where Prabhupāda was talking about Lord Buddha . . . you mentioned that if the followers of Lord Buddha do not close the slaughterhouse, there is no meaning to such a caricature. That word was very nice. But in new book that word is not there any more. They have pulled the word. The meaning of the word is not . . . so many times.

	Prabhupāda: It is very serious situation. Rāmeśvara is in direct . . .		Prabhupāda: It is very serious situation. Rāmeśvara is in direct . . .
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	Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think they're working too independently without consulting properly.		Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think they're working too independently without consulting properly.

	Yaśodā-nandana: Sometimes they feel that, "We can make better English," so they change like that, just like in the case of ''Īśopaniṣad''. There are over a hundred changes. So where is the need? Your words are sufficient. The potency is there. When they change, it is something else.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' Sometimes they feel that, "We can make better English," so they change like that, just like in the case of ''Īśopaniṣad''. There are over a hundred changes. So where is the need? Your words are sufficient. The potency is there. When they change, it is something else.

	Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's actually a very dangerous mentality.		Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's actually a very dangerous mentality.

	Yaśodā-nandana: What is it going to be in five years? It's going to be a different book.		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' What is it going to be in five years? It's going to be a different book.

	Prabhupāda: So you . . . what you are going . . . it is very serious situation. You write one letter that, "Why you have made so many changes?" And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarūpa that "This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim." The next printing should be again to the original way.		Prabhupāda: So you . . . what you are going . . . it is very serious situation. You write one letter that, "Why you have made so many changes?" And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarūpa that "This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim." The next printing should be again to the original way.
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	Prabhupāda: What is that better?		Prabhupāda: What is that better?

	Yaśodā-nandana: Well, a few hundred years ago there was no airplanes, no cars, no facilities . . .		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' Well, a few hundred years ago there was no airplanes, no cars, no facilities . . .

	Prabhupāda: That's all right, but when you become a dog next life, then what is your gain? You are not going to use this airplane. You have to make a rest in this car, in this seat. What you are going to do that about? ''Dehāntara-prāptiḥ''. Kṛṣṇa says, most authoritative statement, and giving the example, ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāram ''. . . ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So how you can check this ''dehāntara''?		Prabhupāda: That's all right, but when you become a dog next life, then what is your gain? You are not going to use this airplane. You have to make a rest in this car, in this seat. What you are going to do that about? ''Dehāntara-prāptiḥ''. Kṛṣṇa says, most authoritative statement, and giving the example, ''dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāram ''. . . ([[BG 2.13 (1972)\|BG 2.13]]). So how you can check this ''dehāntara''?
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	Prabhupāda: So that change takes place according to your mentality. You are subtle thing, psychological. One man is thief. By change, he can become a saintly person. One man is saintly person; he becomes a thief. So that change, according to three qualities . . . ''Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ ''([[BG 14.18 (1972)\|BG 14.18]]). You cannot ascertain immediately, because you are changing from ''sattva-guṇa ''to ''rajo-guṇa'', ''rajo-guṇa ''to ''tamo-guṇa''. So how you can be ascertained? But there will be change. That is fixed. So we have to take this word "change." So you cannot expect what changes. Are you going to be dog or hog or god? That will depend on your work. How you can expect to see that, "I do not see"? But that is not certain. There are 8,400,000's of different types of change of body. But you have to change. Not that you have to become a dog. You can become a demigod. ''Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti ''. . . but change is certain. So if change takes place, then where is your position? Whatever you have done—''śrama eva hi kevalam ''([[SB 1.2.8\|SB 1.2.8]]).		Prabhupāda: So that change takes place according to your mentality. You are subtle thing, psychological. One man is thief. By change, he can become a saintly person. One man is saintly person; he becomes a thief. So that change, according to three qualities . . . ''Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ ''([[BG 14.18 (1972)\|BG 14.18]]). You cannot ascertain immediately, because you are changing from ''sattva-guṇa ''to ''rajo-guṇa'', ''rajo-guṇa ''to ''tamo-guṇa''. So how you can be ascertained? But there will be change. That is fixed. So we have to take this word "change." So you cannot expect what changes. Are you going to be dog or hog or god? That will depend on your work. How you can expect to see that, "I do not see"? But that is not certain. There are 8,400,000's of different types of change of body. But you have to change. Not that you have to become a dog. You can become a demigod. ''Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti ''. . . but change is certain. So if change takes place, then where is your position? Whatever you have done—''śrama eva hi kevalam ''([[SB 1.2.8\|SB 1.2.8]]).

	Yaśodā-nandana: They will say: "We can perceive all the changes during this life. We agree . . ."		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' They will say: "We can perceive all the changes during this life. We agree . . ."

	Prabhupāda: And next life or this life, rascal . . .		Prabhupāda: And next life or this life, rascal . . .

	Yaśodā-nandana: "Because the last change, at death, the last transmigration to another body, because we cannot see according to our scientific experience . . ."		'''Yaśodā-nandana:''' "Because the last change, at death, the last transmigration to another body, because we cannot see according to our scientific experience . . ."

	Prabhupāda: So you die, what you will see? Your eyes are taken away. What you will see? You say: "I die." Then what you will see after death? A dead man has got eyes. Can he see?		Prabhupāda: So you die, what you will see? Your eyes are taken away. What you will see? You say: "I die." Then what you will see after death? A dead man has got eyes. Can he see?