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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Shall I address you as father?		'''Prabhupāda:''' Shall I address you as father?

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	:karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa		:karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa
	:jantur dehopapattaye		:jantur dehopapattaye
	:''(SB 3.31.1)''		:(SB 3.31.1)

	We are preparing next body by our karma. We have been given the chance of human form of body to understand God, but if we do not do that, if we remain like cats and dogs, then the next life again become cats and dogs. After all, we have to accept another body. The soul is eternal. When this body is useless, no more fit for living, I have to give it up and take another body. That is given:		We are preparing next body by our karma. We have been given the chance of human form of body to understand God, but if we do not do that, if we remain like cats and dogs, then the next life again become cats and dogs. After all, we have to accept another body. The soul is eternal. When this body is useless, no more fit for living, I have to give it up and take another body. That is given:

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' So, there is a place where there is no need of illumination by sunlight or moonlight—it is self-illuminated. Just like we, the sun planet here, we have got one instance. The sun does not require any illumination, the planet itself is light. Similarly, the spiritual sky all the planets there—Vaikuṇṭha-loka—they are self-illuminating, there is no darkness. Therefore, this material world is called tamaḥ. Tamaḥ means “darkness.” Tamasi mā jyotir gamaḥ (Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 1.3.28). The Vedic instruction is don’t remain in this dark world—it is by nature dark, therefore it requires this electricity. The sun, the moon… but there is another world which is self-illuminating—there is no need of… That is there stated,		'''Prabhupāda:''' So, there is a place where there is no need of illumination by sunlight or moonlight—it is self-illuminated. Just like we, the sun planet here, we have got one instance. The sun does not require any illumination, the planet itself is light. Similarly, the spiritual sky all the planets there—Vaikuṇṭha-loka—they are self-illuminating, there is no darkness. Therefore, this material world is called tamaḥ. Tamaḥ means “darkness.” Tamasi mā jyotir gamaḥ (Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 1.3.28). The Vedic instruction is don’t remain in this dark world—it is by nature dark, therefore it requires this electricity. The sun, the moon… but there is another world which is self-illuminating—there is no need of… That is there stated,

	:na tad bhāsayate sūryo		:na tad bhāsayate sūryo
	:na śaśāṅko na pāvakaḥ		:na śaśāṅko na pāvakaḥ
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, He’s already gracious. He’s coming Himself. He is sending His devotee, He’s sending His representative, He’s leaving the book—you study. He is giving the instruction, every way God is helping us. He is sitting within your heart, He’s giving you good counsel, but we are determined not to accept anything of God. So that life is very risky. Now in the Bhagavad-gītā we understand:		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, He’s already gracious. He’s coming Himself. He is sending His devotee, He’s sending His representative, He’s leaving the book—you study. He is giving the instruction, every way God is helping us. He is sitting within your heart, He’s giving you good counsel, but we are determined not to accept anything of God. So that life is very risky. Now in the Bhagavad-gītā we understand:

	:~~'''~~tathā dehāntaraṁ-prāptir~~'''~~		:tathā dehāntaraṁ-prāptir
	:''(BG 2.13)''		:(BG 2.13)

	We have to change this body to another body. Now, that body—we can see there are so many billions and trillions of varieties of body. At least according to śāstra, 8,400,000. So, we may enter any of them—according to our work.		We have to change this body to another body. Now, that body—we can see there are so many billions and trillions of varieties of body. At least according to śāstra, 8,400,000. So, we may enter any of them—according to our work.

	:~~'''~~karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa		:karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa
	:jantur dehopapattaye~~'''~~		:jantur dehopapattaye
	:''(SB 3.31.1)''		:''(SB 3.31.1)''

	We are preparing next body by our karma. We have been given the chance of human form of body to understand God, but if we do not do that, if we remain like cats and dogs, then the next life again become cats and dogs. After all, we have to accept another body. The soul is eternal. When this body is useless, no more fit for living, I have to give it up and take another body. That is given:		We are preparing next body by our karma. We have been given the chance of human form of body to understand God, but if we do not do that, if we remain like cats and dogs, then the next life again become cats and dogs. After all, we have to accept another body. The soul is eternal. When this body is useless, no more fit for living, I have to give it up and take another body. That is given:

	:~~'''~~vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya~~'''~~		:vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya
	:''(BG 2.22)''		:(BG 2.22)

	Just like we put on some dress, garment. When it is not fit, we throw it away, we take another garment. So, this body is also like that. (indistinct) (End)		Just like we put on some dress, garment. When it is not fit, we throw it away, we take another garment. So, this body is also like that. (indistinct) (End)

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-'''Prabhupāda:''' So, Baha’i faith, what is the objective of the Baha’i faith?
+Prabhupäda: Shall I address you as father?
+Father Simon: I’m Father Simon, yes.
-'''John:''' The objective? We are all the universal commonwealth of nations. We are all flowers in one garden.
+Prabhupäda: Yes.
+Father Simon: This is Brother Roger.
-'''Prabhupāda:''' (to Ranchor:) You come here. What does he say?
+Prabhupäda: So father’s father. Father has got a father? Is it not?
+Father Simon: Yes [laughs].
-'''Ranchor:''' Well he’s been explaining to me that Baha’i, or Baha’u’llah who is the founder of the Baha’i faith, he synthesized all the teachings of the persons he called the nine great teachers, of whom Kṛṣṇa is included within those nine, and he synthesised these teachings to present to the world the recognised way of living peacefully on the world for God realisation for the next 25,000 years. Each 25,000 years presuming a new teaching is given for that period of time. And...
+Prabhupäda: So let us go. I am father, I have got my father, my father has got father. In this way, who is the ultimate father? There must be one ultimate father. Because I have got my father, my father has got father. So you go on, it does not mean that on the tenth generation or twentieth generation I could not see the father. That does not mean there was no father. There must have—a father. Therefore, originally, there is the Supreme Father, and your Christian religion recognizes God as the Father. You pray “oh Father”. So, our experience is that I am also father, my father is also father but we are all persons. Therefore, the original Father, the beginning Father He must be a person. What is your opinion? He cannot be impersonal. Do you agree or not?
+Father Simon: Ah, yes, we believe in…
-'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the ultimate goal?
+Prabhupäda: Yes.
+Father Simon: God as person, yeh quite.
-'''John:''' The ultimate goal? God realisation of the infinite oneness of man.
+Prabhupäda: So, father is controller. Father controls me, I am son. My father controls me, father controls the family. Therefore, in a small jurisdiction the father is the controller. Similarly, his father he is also controller, the Supreme Father is the Supreme Controller. That is Vedic version; éçvaraù paramaù kåñëaù [Bs. 5.1]—the Supreme Father is Kåñëa. All controller. Sac-cid-änanda-vigrahaù—His form is not like us, His form is eternal, full of

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	'''John:''' The objective? We are all the universal commonwealth of nations. We are all flowers in one garden.		'''John:''' The objective? We are all the universal commonwealth of nations. We are all flowers in one garden.

	'''Prabhupāda:'''(to Ranchor:) You come here. What does he say?		'''Prabhupāda:''' (to Ranchor:) You come here. What does he say?

	'''Ranchor:''' Well he’s been explaining to me that Baha’i, or Baha’u’llah who is the founder of the Baha’i faith, he synthesized all the teachings of the persons he called the nine great teachers, of whom Kṛṣṇa is included within those nine, and he synthesised these teachings to present to the world the recognised way of living peacefully on the world for God realisation for the next 25,000 years. Each 25,000 years presuming a new teaching is given for that period of time. And...		'''Ranchor:''' Well he’s been explaining to me that Baha’i, or Baha’u’llah who is the founder of the Baha’i faith, he synthesized all the teachings of the persons he called the nine great teachers, of whom Kṛṣṇa is included within those nine, and he synthesised these teachings to present to the world the recognised way of living peacefully on the world for God realisation for the next 25,000 years. Each 25,000 years presuming a new teaching is given for that period of time. And...

	'''Prabhupāda:'''What is the ultimate goal?		'''Prabhupāda:''' What is the ultimate goal?

	'''John:''' The ultimate goal? God realisation of the infinite oneness of man.		'''John:''' The ultimate goal? God realisation of the infinite oneness of man.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I open my mind to you: ‘I am feeling like this, what is your advice?’ Because I love you, therefore I disclose my mind to you. So, love means not inaction.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I open my mind to you: ‘I am feeling like this, what is your advice?’ Because I love you, therefore I disclose my mind to you. So, love means not inaction.

	:~~dadati pratighrinati bhunkte bhojayate~~		:dadāti pratigṛhṇāti
	:guhyam ~~akyati pricchati ca~~		:guhyam ākhyāti pṛcchati
	:~~saradi na priti laksanam~~		:bhuṅkte bhojayate caiva
	:(~~Upadeçämåta~~ 4)		:ṣaḍ-vidhaṁ prīti-lakṣaṇam
			:(Upadeśāmṛta 4)

	These are the six symptoms of love, that give and take, eat and give him to eat, and open your mind and hear from him.		These are the six symptoms of love, that give and take, eat and give him to eat, and open your mind and hear from him.

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	'''Prabhupāda:'''		'''Prabhupāda:'''
	~~cintämaëi~~-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-~~våkña~~-		:cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-
	~~lakñävåteñu surabhér abhipälayantam~~		:lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam
	~~lakñmé~~-sahasra-~~çata~~-sambhrama-~~sevyamänaà~~		:lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ
	govindam ~~ädi~~-~~puruñaà~~ tam ~~ahaà bhajämi~~		:govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
	(Bs 5.29)		:(Bs 5.29)


	God, Govindam, the supreme Lord, is very fond of tending cows, surabhi cows, as cowherd’s boy surabhir abhipalayantam. And he is always surrounded by many thousands of goddesses of fortune. They are called gopis. And the house in that spiritual world is made of touchstone Cintamini prakara. Kalpa vriksa, there are trees, but they are desire trees—not like this tree—you can ask anything from that tree, it will supply.		God, Govindam, the supreme Lord, is very fond of tending cows, surabhi cows, as cowherd’s boy surabhir abhipalayantam. And he is always surrounded by many thousands of goddesses of fortune. They are called gopis. And the house in that spiritual world is made of touchstone Cintamini prakara. Kalpa vriksa, there are trees, but they are desire trees—not like this tree—you can ask anything from that tree, it will supply.
	So, these are the description of the spiritual world. The spiritual world, or the abode of God, the kingdom of God, is not void or impersonal. There are varieties, as exactly we experience varieties in this world, but that variety is of spirit, not of matter. Spirit means having knowledge, that is spirit. Just like here, this table, this is material, it has no knowledge. Suppose I want to move this table little this way or that way, so I don’t require to move it. As soon as I wish, I ask the table, ‘Please move this way,’ it will move. Just like I ask my disciple, ‘Please move,’ he will move. This is spirit. So, the spiritual world means there are varieties exactly like this, but they are all full of knowledge. Knowledge.		So, these are the description of the spiritual world. The spiritual world, or the abode of God, the kingdom of God, is not void or impersonal. There are varieties, as exactly we experience varieties in this world, but that variety is of spirit, not of matter. Spirit means having knowledge, that is spirit. Just like here, this table, this is material, it has no knowledge. Suppose I want to move this table little this way or that way, so I don’t require to move it. As soon as I wish, I ask the table, ‘Please move this way,’ it will move. Just like I ask my disciple, ‘Please move,’ he will move. This is spirit. So, the spiritual world means there are varieties exactly like this, but they are all full of knowledge. Knowledge.
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	'''Pradyumna:'''		'''Pradyumna:'''
	:yo ~~mäà paçyati~~ sarvatra		:yo māṁ paśyati sarvatra
	:~~sarvaà~~ ca mayi ~~paçyati~~		:sarvaṁ ca mayi paśyati
	:~~tasyähaà~~ na ~~praëaçyämi~~		:tasyāhaṁ na praṇaśyāmi
	:sa ca me na ~~praëaçyati~~		:sa ca me na praṇaśyati
	:(Bg. 6.30)		:([[BG 6.30 (1972)\|BG 6.30]])

	:"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me."		:"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me."

	'''Prabhupāda:''' That’s it. That is permanent relationship with God. A devotee is seeing everywhere God. God is everywhere and everything is in God. Therefore, God is never missed by him. He is seeing this flower, but he is seeing this flower in God. And God is in the flower. God is in the flower means God’s energy is there. And it is resting in God; it has no separate existence. Sarvam ca mayi pasyati: it is not independent. It is dependent on existence of God. So, therefore, one who is seeing in that way, he is never missing God. He is always with God, God conscious. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He is never missing God. There is similar verse in the Brahma-samhita:		'''Prabhupāda:''' That’s it. That is permanent relationship with God. A devotee is seeing everywhere God. God is everywhere and everything is in God. Therefore, God is never missed by him. He is seeing this flower, but he is seeing this flower in God. And God is in the flower. God is in the flower means God’s energy is there. And it is resting in God; it has no separate existence. Sarvam ca mayi pasyati: it is not independent. It is dependent on existence of God. So, therefore, one who is seeing in that way, he is never missing God. He is always with God, God conscious. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He is never missing God. There is similar verse in the Brahma-samhita:
	premanjana churita bhaktivilocanena
	santa sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti		:premanjana churita bhaktivilocanena
	yam syamasundaram acintya guna svarupam		:santa sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti
	govindam adi purusam tam aham bhajami		:yam syamasundaram acintya guna svarupam
			:govindam adi purusam tam aham bhajami


	A devotee who has developed love of Godhead, his eyes are filled with God consciousness. Therefore, he is always seeing Syamasundaram, Kṛṣṇa. He is not for a moment seeing anything else except Syamasundar, except God. Premanjana churita bhaktivilocanena santa sadaiva—sadaiva means always, constantly. Santa sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti—as soon as he wants to see God within heart, immediately he sees Kṛṣṇa—immediately. This is the position of a perfect devotee. He is always seeing God, nothing but God. What is there? But one who has not developed that sense, he sees this table, this flower, differently. But in everything a devotee sees God.		A devotee who has developed love of Godhead, his eyes are filled with God consciousness. Therefore, he is always seeing Syamasundaram, Kṛṣṇa. He is not for a moment seeing anything else except Syamasundar, except God. Premanjana churita bhaktivilocanena santa sadaiva—sadaiva means always, constantly. Santa sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti—as soon as he wants to see God within heart, immediately he sees Kṛṣṇa—immediately. This is the position of a perfect devotee. He is always seeing God, nothing but God. What is there? But one who has not developed that sense, he sees this table, this flower, differently. But in everything a devotee sees God.
	There is crude example: just like you have got a loveable child, and he is out of your sight. But as soon as you see his, some, toy, ‘Oh, this toy belongs to my child.’ Immediately you see your child, with the toy. As soon as you see the little shoe of your child, you immediately see the child. Is it not? So, it is a question of loving. If you have developed the loving sense, then you can see God everywhere. That is the criterion. So, therefore, our business is to develop that dormant love for Godhead.		There is crude example: just like you have got a loveable child, and he is out of your sight. But as soon as you see his, some, toy, ‘Oh, this toy belongs to my child.’ Immediately you see your child, with the toy. As soon as you see the little shoe of your child, you immediately see the child. Is it not? So, it is a question of loving. If you have developed the loving sense, then you can see God everywhere. That is the criterion. So, therefore, our business is to develop that dormant love for Godhead.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' And any religious system which helps in developing that loving attitude, that is first class. That is first class religion. Not these rituals. But the training, how one is developing that attitude of love of Godhead. That is the criterion. It doesn’t matter whether this is Hindu religion, Muslim religion, this religion—but it is actually helping the follower to develop love of Godhead. That is fine. Otherwise it is simply waste of time. That is the test: how much one is developing his love of Godhead. Otherwise, srama eva hi kevalam:		'''Prabhupāda:''' And any religious system which helps in developing that loving attitude, that is first class. That is first class religion. Not these rituals. But the training, how one is developing that attitude of love of Godhead. That is the criterion. It doesn’t matter whether this is Hindu religion, Muslim religion, this religion—but it is actually helping the follower to develop love of Godhead. That is fine. Otherwise it is simply waste of time. That is the test: how much one is developing his love of Godhead. Otherwise, srama eva hi kevalam:
	dharma svanustita pumsam visvaksena kathasu yat
	notpadayet yadi ratim srama eva hi kevalam		:dharma svanustita pumsam visvaksena kathasu yat
	(SB. 1.2.8)		:notpadayet yadi ratim srama eva hi kevalam
			:(SB. 1.2.8)

	If he does not develop love of Godhead by following the principles of his religion, then it is simply waste of time. That’s all.		If he does not develop love of Godhead by following the principles of his religion, then it is simply waste of time. That’s all.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' I open my mind to you: ‘I am feeling like this, what is your advice?’ Because I love you, therefore I disclose my mind to you. So, love means not inaction.		'''Prabhupāda:''' I open my mind to you: ‘I am feeling like this, what is your advice?’ Because I love you, therefore I disclose my mind to you. So, love means not inaction.
	dadati pratighrinati bhunkte bhojayate
	guhyam akyati pricchati ca		:dadati pratighrinati bhunkte bhojayate
	saradi na priti laksanam		:guhyam akyati pricchati ca
	(Upadeçämåta 4)		:saradi na priti laksanam
			:(Upadeçämåta 4)

	These are the six symptoms of love, that give and take, eat and give him to eat, and open your mind and hear from him.		These are the six symptoms of love, that give and take, eat and give him to eat, and open your mind and hear from him.

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	'''Ranchor:''' This is the material world.		'''Ranchor:''' This is the material world.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Find that verse, vyavasāyātmikā buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca buddhayo ’vyavasāyinām. (Bg. 2.41)		'''Prabhupāda:''' Find that verse, vyavasāyātmikā buddhir ekeha kuru-nandana. bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca buddhayo ’vyavasāyinām.
			([[BG 2.41 (1972)\|BG 2.41]])

	'''John:''' (indistinct) Where you stand in this situation, whether you accept that situation, or you don’t accept that situation, you either join forces with the thing you are against or for.		'''John:''' (indistinct) Where you stand in this situation, whether you accept that situation, or you don’t accept that situation, you either join forces with the thing you are against or for.

	'''Pradyumna:''' (reads)		'''Pradyumna:''' (reads)
	vyavasāyātmikā buddhir
	ekeha kuru-nandana		:vyavasāyātmikā buddhir
	bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca		:ekeha kuru-nandana
	buddhayo ’vyavasāyinām		:bahu-śākhā hy anantāś ca
	(Bg. 2.41)		:buddhayo ’vyavasāyinām
			:([[BG 2.41 (1972)\|BG 2.41]])

	"Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched."		"Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched."