710809 - Conversation - London

Conversations by Date, 1971

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

710809R1-LONDON - August 09, 1971 - 02:30 Minutes

(conversation partially recorded)

Prabhupāda: "Therefore His teachings, crude teachings, cannot be now applied to the modern, advanced, educated people. That was suitable for those people. Now people have advanced in science, in philosophy. Now God consciousness and all God should be presented on the basis of science and philosophy. Otherwise people will not accept."

Guest: There's one philosophical point I would like you to elucidate. I haven't been able to quite understand it, certainly, fully at all, and that is the meaning of the dvaitādvaita . . . (indistinct) . . . the dualistic, the incomprehensible . . . let's say the dualistic-nondualistic philosophy which sees at the same time Kṛṣṇa as comprehending all of man, all of the world, everything within the body, we might say, of Kṛṣṇa, and at the same time, however, one sees the world as distinct from Kṛṣṇa, in other words, as māyā, and as illusion.

And it is this, the dualistic, I would like to . . . if you could just explain to me the difference between the . . . I mean, how this fits in, the monistic, or the idea of the unitary view that Kṛṣṇa is everything, is all and in all, and then at the same time that the world . . . there is this world of illusion, which is somehow distinct from Kṛṣṇa. Now could you just explain this point to me?

Prabhupāda: This is very easy to understand. Just like you are recording my speeches in the tape recorder. When you play back, it will speak just like I am speaking, but I am not there. Is it not a fact?

Guest: Yes.

Prabhupāda: It will appear now I am speaking from beyond this world. Somebody's hearing, "Here Swāmījī's speaking." Again, when the recorder will play, it will be said . . . (break) (end)