721110 - Morning Walk - Vrndavana

Morning Walks by Date, 1972

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

721110MW-VRNDAVAN - November 10, 1972 - 23:01 Minutes

(poor audio)

Guru dāsa: Prabhupāda on a morning walk, 10th of November.

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . in life.

Prabhupāda: Accha?

Guru dāsa: He said he was very bad.

Acyutānanda: What?

Guru dāsa: He said he was very bad.

Acyutānanda: I saw him also. I can see no justification for such cruelty. I do not care to see my two Godbrothers who committed such a crime. I feel that they are not . . . I will not be able to control my anger with them. I feel that they should be asked to leave the Society. Whatever Your Divine Grace decides in this matter I accept. (break)

Guru dāsa: After the incident with Gopal Gosvāmī.

Prabhupāda: Subal and Yadavācārya.

Acyutānanda: Subal and Yadavācārya? (break) He said (break) he was awake and he had a blanket over his head, Gopal. And Subal told him to get up. He stayed there and he was chanting japa. Then Subal threw a bucket of water on him and he still stayed there while he finished his japa. Then he went inside to just get away from the water and they beat him.

Prabhupāda: That is not the story, they say it was different. But he was beaten, severe?

Acyutānanda: I can't imagine (break). If he was being . . . if he threatened them with a knife or something, it could provoke that. But I heard someone say he was going to hit them with a bucket? Gopal was going to hit them all with a bucket?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Acyutānanda: Still, you could throw him out or you could hit him, but this was severe.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Acyutānanda: This is atrocious.

Śrutakīrti: That evening he felt justified in what he did.

Acyutānanda: Hm?

Śrutakīrti: He said (break) he felt justified in doing it. And then he mentioned your lecture the other night, saying that in the Vedic society, if someone was attacked like that, that he would be killed. He was using this as his grounds, saying he felt justified in attacking him like that. He was helping his Godbrother.

Acyutānanda: Yes, very warped.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . fight amongst ourselves? Fight with the enemy but not with the Godbrothers. (break) (indistinct)

Śrutakīrti: He does not consider him to be a Godbrother but an enemy.

Prabhupāda: (break) This Yadavācārya, he has taken the leading part of beating? No.

Devotee:  (indistinct) Gopal told me both of them.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . serious. (break) . . . Gosāi, he is also (indistinct).

Acyutānanda: Yes (break)

Prabhupāda: Eh? That means he has left the hospital?

Acyutānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: So where is the serious? If he has left the hospital, then where is the serious?

Acyutānanda: Well . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: But if it was a very serious case, how he left hospital? When the police came to enquire about him, that means hospital let him go out?

Acyutānanda: Yeah. Prabhupāda: Then he was just lying in the police.

Acyutānanda: Yes, everything. If he is reporting all these things to the police, that’s nonsense.

Prabhupāda: (break) . . . by the evening , that is not . . . If he has left the hospital . . .

Acyutānanda: Yes.

Prabhupāda: . . . by the evening, that is not . . . (break)

Acyutānanda: It’s usually his way to . . . (indistinct). You said that about when he went to Aligarh . . .

Prabhupāda: Ah.

Acyutānanda: That they didn't . . . they stopped translating his speech in Hindi.

Devotee: He attacks them. He attacks them with his words, calls them all caste Gosvāmīs and Māyāvādīs. So we didn't want.

Acyutānanda: Did you let him speak?

Devotee: He was the only sannyāsī there.

(indistinct talking) (break)

Guru dāsa: There’s many students don't know how to extract intelligently what you say. For instance, the day before this incident, at Seth Bisanchand’s you were speaking about becoming like fire if the guru, Vaiṣṇava is in any way attacked. So that was their grounds.

Similarly, when Sudāmā Vipra came back from . . . when Mahārāja came back from Aligarh, you didn't discourage them. So they thought that perhaps they could always attack as a general rule. So (break) Godbrothers have said, “Well, Śrīla Prabhupāda sometimes appears angry.” So I said, “But he also appears compassionate. Why do you forget that nature?” (break)

Prabhupāda: Dealing with these fools they do not understand. (break) . . . by the Vaiṣṇavas, that's a fact. But one must know how to attack and when to attack. I also speak against the Māyāvādīs. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also attacked, my Guru Mahārāja also attacked. So attack must be done very intelligently. Don't go so (indistinct)

Guru dāsa: Mahāprabhu listened for seven days, and then He knew how to attack.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) . . . thought that many Indians also will join with you and combinedly preaching will go on. But somehow or other it is experience that Indians will not join . . . (break) . . . join with you, or circumstances will not allow them to join. In India if you try to preach without Indian cooperation, it will not be successful. Because they will always criticize that these people have come to teach us and they will never follow us. This is the position.

And the present circumstances . . . (indistinct) . . . that you cannot join, he was teaching this. That Rādhā-ramaṇa Gosvāmī went away, that Nityananda left and so on. (break) . . . (indistinct) . . . wanted to join, the Vrndavana Gosai, but the (indistinct) has been so abominable, so nobody will join. That on the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness everyone will conjointly work for Kṛṣṇa, that is a little difficult. The temple here if no Indians join, then they will say, “Oh, this is American temple.” Gradually Indians will (indistinct). Unless you very tactfully and intelligently dealing, it will be a failure. (break) the Indians and the Americans keep themselves in the bodily concept of life. . . . (indistinct) . . . life means . . . (indistinct) . . . (break)

Devotee: (indistinct) . . . (break)

Prabhupāda: Eh? . . . (indistinct) . . . ten lakhs. Ten lakhs blocking means 8% interest at the present moment, banking interest. That means 80,000 per year, or 7,000 nearly or 10,000 per month. If we block, suppose we 10,000 lakhs . . . 10 lakhs.

Acyutānanda: 10 lakhs.

Prabhupāda: That means we are losing 7,000 per month. If you transact 7,000 per month, that is more sense. Why should we block so much? If we block big amount, where will be income?

Śyāmasundara: In Vṛndāvana we have no preaching scope.

Prabhupāda: No. We wanted to receive some foreign guests so that they can see, and our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement if we have no branch in Vṛndāvana that does not look very good. Kṛṣṇa's place.

Śyāmasundara:  This . . . (indistinct) . . . for one reason, that it is for the foreign tourists if you had a regular program of foreign tourists coming, but that hasn't happened yet.

Prabhupāda: Hm?

Śyāmasundara: That has not yet happened.

Prabhupāda: Ah.

Śyāmasundara: But in future if it did happen, that would be . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . here the government is. These people do not like intruders. Because he was there, that Caitya Guru, he was very able. But he has transferred from there. (break) That is the problem. I wanted him to stay there, but he did not like. Always there will be agitation. So we must finish it that another attempt for Bharatpur, I don't think we can manage.

(break) will be available so you should not mind. But that is not also possible because Mahārāja is bargaining. (indistinct)

Śyāmasundara: . . . (indistinct) . . . turn it into a big hotel.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śyāmasundara: . . . (indistinct) Turn it into a hotel.

Prabhupāda: Who will come there?

Śyāmasundara: Someday.

Prabhupāda: Someday there will be. (laughs) Utopian, someday. That Mahārāja is more intelligent than you could have understand.

Śyāmasundara: Yeah. (break)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . (break)

Pañca-draviḍa: Lot of Germans. Or at least a percentage of Germans 40, 50%. But here we have centers that are already having 15, 20 Western people. So the image is there already that they are a Western organization. So even in Europe we tend to attract more Americans than European people. Like in Germany we will attract more Americans than we will Germans, initially. But after a while the Germans come, but usually the best success as far as attracting people seems to be when there is only two or three people left in the whole city. But when you have a large number of Americans . . . (break)

Śyāmasundara: I have noticed the most since we've been traveling around the world that in India the spiritual standard of the devotees is lower than America’s, and I think part of the reason has been that the sannyāsīs, who are supposed to be leaders of the devotees, have misunderstood what their real duty is in India, the sannyāsīs who have been stationed here. In America, you told them that the sannyāsī’s duty is to maintain the highest spiritual standards among the devotees. They should always see to the devotees’ spiritual well-being and welfare. And here it seems to be the tendency that the sannyāsīs remain separate or aloof from the devotees.

You summed it up in four words to Satsvarūpa when you said: "Just do as I am doing." Now, that means administrating, managing, going to the bank, counting money, keeping accounts, doing all the practical work as well. But here, for instance, in a test case, this Keśī Ghat temple, there was practically chaos there day and night. There was no spiritual standard at all, and the sannyāsīs seemed to remain aloof. They didn't enter into the actual managing or administrating of the temple or organizing it, and as a result there was chaos throughout the town. We made such a bad image because we have no . . . Prabhupāda: That should be . . .

Acyutānanda: There was no chaos in the town.

Śyāmasundara: We have no spiritual standards.

Acyutānanda: (indistinct) I said anything, Malati (indistinct).

Śyāmasundara: No. I know what I observed, and I saw that there was no standard of organization, not as we have in our other places around the world.

Prabhupāda: Anyway, indirectly what did she say. Sannyāsīs should be leader.

Acyutānanda: Yes. And actually, nobody likes those services (indistinct).

Devotee: That's the fact.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Pañca-draviḍa: In other parts of the world, the sannyāsīs may be accepted as leaders because the other devotees there are new and they look to the sannyāsīs for guidance because they are the senior-most members in that particular area. You are often not present there, so they have no one else to look to.

Prabhupāda: Yes, sannyāsīs should take leadership and see that everything is nicely going on. That will be wanted. Actually sannyāsīs are topmost leaders. They should see that they are chanting 16 rounds, they are rising early in the morning, and they should also themselves behave like that. And if there is any discrepancy, it should not be ended by fighting. Even there is discrepancy, there should be very peaceful settlement. Not that because this man is not obeying, let us fight. (indistinct) beating justified? Somebody has told the beating was justified. What is his name, Yadavācārya?

Pañca-draviḍa: He beat that boy because that boy was physically attacking me to hurt me. If he did not stop him, I would have been seriously hurt, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: No, that's all right. You could check. So why you are. . . If there is any misunderstanding, let us sit down. What is being said? That check. Not that because he is coming I shall not do this. Then where is my defense? I can check him, that’s all right. Not that I will also become demon-like. First of all Krsna wanted to stop the fighting between Kurus, and when there was no ways to stop their fighting, then war was.

We can call to the police (indistinct). We should be very careful. But Caitanya (break) sannyāsīra alpa chidra bāhu kori mane (CC Madhya 12.51). If a sannyāsī commits something wrong, it is magnified. If ordinary man does it, nobody cares. But a sannyāsī, Vaiṣṇava sannyāsī, a preacher, if he commits something even it is not wrong, it will be magnified as a big wrong. Alpa chidra bāhu kori mane. (indistinct)

Therefore especially a sannyāsī because a sannyāsī is supposed to be the guru, the teacher of everyone, even of the brāhmins. So how much qualified they should be. Super-most post in the human society according to Vedic principle. Any sannyāsī you should immediately offer obeisances. If he does not do so, then he has to starve one day, fast. That is the penance, he has not offered. You have seen? As soon as you have seen, known or unknown, you should offer obeisances to a sannyāsī. That is Vedic culture. And they should see that things anywhere are going very nicely. (end)