730627 - Conversation - Navadvipa

Conversations by Date, 1973

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

730627R1-NAVADVIPA - June 27, 1973 - 94:02 Minutes

Prabhupāda: . . . German cent, One in the United States.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in America.

Prabhupāda: Three in America.

Prabhupāda: . . . German cent, One in the United States.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in America.

Prabhupāda: Three in America.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Another three, Another . . .?

Prabhupāda: Another three in Europe.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in Europe. Six.

Prabhupāda: One in India.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

(aside) Ota pore yabe. (It will fall down.) Why you are keeping there?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one. Seven.

Prabhupāda: Seven. And Africa, one.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: One.

Prabhupāda: Eight.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Aat. (Eight.)

Prabhupāda: And one, Australia.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Australia.

Prabhupāda: New Zealand.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Noy. New Zealand ekta dash. (Nine. One in New Zealand.)

Prabhupāda: And one . . .

Bhavānanda: Canada.

Prabhupāda: Canada.

Devotee: Africa and South America.

Bhavānanda: Ah, yes, South America.

Prabhupāda: South America.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Egaro. Ar ekta? South America. South America kon jayga ta? (Another one? South America. Where in South America?)

Bhavānanda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.

Prabhupāda: Argentina.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Argentina.

Devotee: And Japan. Japan.

Prabhupāda: Japan includes now . . .

Devotee: Western United States.

Prabhupāda: Western.

Bhavānanda: Western United States?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. Japaner lokera khub sundar dharmik. (Japanese people are very favorable.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . Russiay? (What about Russia?) . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Russiate, (In Russia) there is big lokat. I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Well, reaction will come.

Prabhupāda: Reaction already come. They do not . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sure to come . . . reaction, reaction.

Prabhupāda: So they found one of my Bhagavad-gītā . . . in immigration. So immediately he called police. (laughs) Then he, he examined. He allowed, "All right, it is all right. It is such a rubbish." But they are not very happy country, as they advertise.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What is happiness? God is happiness. "Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi . . ."

Prabhupāda: Now, apart from materially, they're poor.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja:

janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-

duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam

(BG 13.9)

Prabhupāda: This is . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . anudarśanam. So they are poor in intelligence. This is sattvic intelligence. "Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam".

Prabhupāda: Anudarśanam.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Devoid of higher kind of intelligence.

Prabhupāda: The Russian professor . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And the scientific fineness, that is also in the jurisdiction of matter. But a more subtle and subtler knowledge is possible.

Prabhupāda: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is . . . the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe that life, life comes from matter.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Life comes from matter.

Prabhupāda: Matter. But we are presenting, "No, matter comes from life."

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Apparently. This is not appropriate. This is Vedānta. Vedānta . . .

Prabhupāda: Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: I say, just as there is excema in the healthy body, this material world is an excema . . . expect in the healthy body.

Prabhupāda: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Diseased condition, very negligent or diseased condition, very negligent part, forming very negligent part of the whole, this material world, where creation and dissolution is compulsory.

Prabhupāda: Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Creation and the dissolution is compulsory. That is a negligent portion of the real universe.

Prabhupāda: Ekāṁśena . . . (BG 10.42)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Otherwise, if a major portion of a body is bad, then that cannot stand. So the major portion of the universe must be healthy, wholesome. And the negligent part is the diseased portion. That is the world, where the majority lives.

Prabhupāda: One-fourth part.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The possession of Satan. It is under possession of Satan. Satan means having bikrta jnan. (perverted knowledge.) That is misunderstanding.

Prabhupāda: Perverted.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Misunderstanding is perverted. Misunderstanding is set out. Understanding is there, but it is perverted.

Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ . . . (SB 10.84.13)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma . . .

Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma-buddhiḥ. Rather, rather the enjoying principles, offensive.

Prabhupāda: Sense gratification.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation, that is a vapour state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self-dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Kṛṣṇa says in Gītā:

athavā bahunaitena

kiṁ jñātena tavārjuna

viṣṭabhyāham idaṁ kṛtsnam

ekāṁśena sthito jagat

(BG 10.42)

Who lies . . . whose bed is infinite. Śeṣāśrita, ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Kṛṣṇa is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Viśvarūpa emerged from Him. How? A big Viśvarūpa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Vṛndāvana. Vṛndāvana has been described as only sixty . . . say . . .

Prabhupāda: Eighty-four miles.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Thirty-two miles. Thirty-two miles.

Prabhupāda: Somebody says eighty-four.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Āṭhār-krośa Vṛndāvana,

Prabhupāda: Ah, Saloka.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuṇṭha, means infinite, many of the paravyomas is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added, again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principle. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhāgavatam . . .

Prabhupāda: (aside) Fan?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . or to . . . Fan calan. Table fan. (Switch on the fan. Table fan.)

Prabhupāda: No, any fan.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: O any pakha! pakha dao. (Oh any fan! Give me a fan.)

Prabhupāda: Oke dao. (Give it to him.) (aside) Drive these flies.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: How it is possible? Eka-i vigrahe tāṅra ananta svarūpa (CC Madhya 20.164)

In one figure, He accommodates numberless of figures. "Eka vigraha tāṅra ananta svarūpa". But all these appear to be real, and it will be shown to them who has got real śraddhā. Śraddhāmayo 'yaṁ lokaḥ, the world of faith. And that is substantial, not imaginary. What we say to be concrete, that will be reduced to ashes and imaginary. It will evaporate, both the scientist, material scientist, as well as the sages. But this will ready evaporate one day, with sun, moon, everything.

This will evaporate, but that subtle thing stands forever. Śraddhāmayo. The experience of the region of faith stands forever, undisturbed. The world of experience is evaporating every second. And for the being who is dying every moment, every second dying. The what is to be told to us to be reality, that is, means dying every second. That sort of reality is given to us by these great persons of the present universe, big scientists and big leaders of the knowledge world. In India there is a saying that once a big mountain, he or she expressed that she will produce a child. "Parvate mūṣika bhave". She has got fame just before producing child. Then the people thought, "Oh, what a big child must come when the big mountain, she feels pain to produce a . . ." Eh?

Prabhupāda: Labour pain.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Labor . . . "Then a big child must come." At last it was seen that a mice, a mouse, was produced. So the big giants of the present world, so-called leaders of the scholars . . .

Prabhupāda: Scientists.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . scholars, with world, they are producing like a mouse. That is a dying substance, in this form or that form.

Prabhupāda: Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām (SB 7.5.30)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ah, this is sheer deception, a deception to be a challenge to the real thinkers. We should abhorrently throw it out at once. It is within the boundary of . . . janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi (BG 13.9).

Throw it off.

Prabhupāda: So I, I try to impress upon them this fact, that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a challenge for this deception. They're simply deceiving.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: All sorts of deception. Even Vaikuṇṭha. Paravyome . . . (indistinct) . . . and the calculation, even they, the self is, a sort of calculation comes between the, the servitor and the object of service, then also it throws us down. In Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that sort of calculation is also absurd. Where there is love, there cannot be any calculation. It is autonomous. Autonomous anurāga. Cultivate, do. No sort of calculation of any benefit. The calculation disturbs autonomy.

Prabhupāda: Amra . . . oi mandir, apni yeman suggest korechen . . . (We . . . the temple, as suggested by you . . .)

goloka-nāmni nija-dhāmni tale ca tasya

devī-maheśa-hari-dhāmasu

(Bs 5.43)

Sei bhabete kal bojhacchilam. (Yesterday, I was explaining this to them.) About our temple contemplation, it will be almost a skyscraper building.

Bhavānanda: Will be.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eh?

Prabhupāda: Skyscraper building in temple shape, with four divisions. "Goloka-nāmni nija-dhāmni tale ca tasya devī-maheśa" (Bs 5.3). So Maheśa-dhāma, how it will be depicted? Pārvatī-wise.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: It has been already described by Sanātana Gosvāmī in Bṛhad-Bhāgavatāmṛtam. After crossing Brahmaloka . . .

Prabhupāda: There is Maheśa-dhāma, in between.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Maheśa-dhāma. And the devotee . . . Śiva as devotee.

Prabhupāda: Yes, everyone is . . . Śiva's devotional prayer is there in Fourth Canto, about the four sons. What are those?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Devī-dhāma. Virajā up to virajā, nirviśeṣa. The last conception, or the highest conception, of Devī-dhāma is what are the conception of virajā; prakṛti ends there. Then begins . . .

Prabhupāda: Kāraṇa, kāraṇārṇava.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Kāraṇa, kāraṇārṇava. Then it begins Brahmaloka, the halo of the spiritual world.

Prabhupāda: Effulgence. Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Spiritual world. And that is also some, some, somewhat nirvisesha (without any varieties).

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Nirvisesha (without any varieties).

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And then, after crossing that, the Śiva is on the other, higher side or whether he is in lower side. That is . . .

Prabhupāda: Śiva is . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Differentiation . . . differentiation on two sides is Śiva. This side also, master of Devī, and this side also. He is searching after something, and when the differentiated world ends in Brahmaloka, there also Śiva is devotee. This side, Śiva is a yogī. He's searching after. And then, there, he's going to meet Nārāyaṇa, to face . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Both sides, he's a devotee.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: This side, he's not such a devotee. But that is pure devotee on the other side, Vaikuṇṭha.

Prabhupāda: Ah. Sadāśiva.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sadāśiva, Mahā-Viṣṇu. On the other side, he's a devotee. Vaiṣṇavānāṁ yathā śambhuḥ (SB 12.13.16).

Prabhupāda: Mahā-Viṣṇu and Sadāśiva, the same.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Same.

Prabhupāda: Advaitācārya.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Advaitācārya. On the other side. And this side, sometimes revolving. The other day, I told a gentlemen that Śiva is rather the leader of the opposition party.

Prabhupāda: Yes, in Dakṣa-yajña, that is the curse.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: In Dakṣa-yajña and in many a place, many demons is encouraged by him, we find.

Prabhupāda: But when Pracetās, Pracetās also, they met Śiva . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: That, that is that Śiva, devotee Śiva.

Prabhupāda: Oh, they . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Mārkaṇḍeya also in Bhāgavatam. Mārkaṇḍeya worshiped Śiva. But that is the devotee Śiva. It is clearly mentioned in Bhāgavatam. Mārkaṇḍeya's worshiping Śiva. But that Śiva is the pure devotee of Nārāyaṇa.

Prabhupāda: Pracetās, Śiva, the Pracetās met in this material world or in the spiritual world? They met in the material world.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: I can't remember that particular . . . but Śiva, this side also Śiva, in the 'nirviśeṣa', on the lower side of the 'nirviśeṣa' is also Śiva, and the higher side of the "nirviśeṣa" is also Śiva. Then Nārāyaṇa.

Prabhupāda: Here, he's Bhūtanātha, leaders of the atheistic class of men.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Atheistic class. And his paraphernalia is Nandibhṛṅgi, bhūta, and his, and his eldest son is Vināyaka, and he misguided . . . the leader of the misguided, Vināyaka, Gaṇeśa.

Prabhupāda: Oh, Vināyaka. Vi-gata . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Vināyaka. Not proper nāyaka. Vikṛta-nāyakaḥ.

Prabhupāda: Vikṛta-nāyakaḥ.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Vināyanikapamode-śuddha-prabhu, that are protected by Kṛṣṇa, and they . . . throw . . . throwing their . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: But in Brahma-saṁhitā Gaṇeśa is described vighna-nāśa.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Vighna-nāśa, but with the help of Nṛsiṁha-deva on his kumbha.

Prabhupāda: Oh, I see. Yat-pāda-pallava-yugaṁ vinidhāya (Bs 5.50)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: With the help of His lotus feet, he's able to . . . otherwise, he's vināyaka.

Prabhupāda: (laughs) Vināyaka. Gaṇeśa.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (sanskrit verse)

Prabhupāda: Misleader.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Misleader, misguider, Gaṇeśa, his eldest son. And he give support, Śiva. Just as C. R. Das, he encouraged the Subhas Bose and the other members of the Anuśhilan Party, but he himself was a little common person.

Prabhupāda: So Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, how do you like this place?

Satsvarūpa: Very transcendental.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct Bengali) . . . Śrutakīrti. Where is Śrutakīrti?

Prabhupāda: Here is Śrutakīrti.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: His health, you have to arrange what will be . . .

Prabhupāda: Śrutakīrti wants to serve you, provided you go with us, USA (laughter). He says, "If Mahārāja goes with us, then I shall take care of him."

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: In another life. Some other life. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Na na. Apni yatota difficult mone koren, tato difficult noy. (It is not as difficult as you are thinking.)

Devotee: Maharaj, ekhan theke beratei (Mahārāja does not even want to go out of this place) . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dekhenni, amake bilet pathabe bollen, ar ami kukur, bang er moton . . . (Did you not remember that Prabhupāda had wanted me to go overseas, and I was like the dog and frog . . .)

Prabhupāda: Takhon . . . youbane . . . ekhon to buro hoye eschen. (At that time . . . during your youth . . . now you're old.) (laughter)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Youbane, youbanei ami . . . tarpor professor babu amake bollen. Ami bollam, dekhun ami se rakam conversant to noi. Okhane giye kathai bhalo bujhina ami, to ami giye ki korbo? (Yes in my youth, the professor told me that. I said I'm not conversant and I'm not able to understand their language, so what will I do going there?)

Prabhupāda: Yakhan Bombay theke asen na, amakei to bolen ye, ini yabustabu hoye thaken, eke tene-tene bar korben. (When he came from Bombay, he told me that, he always remains rustic, he needs to be pulled out of here.") (laughter)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Tarpore Professors babu amake bolchen, "apnake bilat pathate cacchen keno janen Prabhupad?" ami bollam, "na janina". Ye jacche saheb hoye jacche. Apni saheb hoben na. (Then the Professors told me, "Do you know that Prabhupāda is planning to send you overseas?" I did not know. They said, "Whoever is going overseas, is becoming Westernised. You please don't become.")

Prabhupāda: Hya . . . (Yes . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eto thik, guarantee. Amake keu sei . . . serakam keu korte parbena. Ei bisaye ami guarantee. (All right. Though, I don't think anyone would have been able to do that to me. That I could guarantee.)

Prabhupāda: Amader Bon Maharajer okhanete ekta ki karone amra sob kacchi, uni sob kata camci diyechen. Ta, kata camac diyechen, amito oisob janina. Dhorechi erokom. Bon Maharaj criticize korche ye, "apni foreign country te yaben, apnito kata camce dhorte janen na". Ta ami bollam ye, "amito kata camce dharte yacchi na, amito charate yacchi". (Once, we were eating at Bon Mahārajā's place, and he gave a fork and spoon to us to eat with. So, I didn't know how to hold a spoon and fork. So, Bon Mahārajā criticized me saying: "You're going to a foreign country but you don't know how to hold a spoon and fork!" So I replied: "I'm not going there to learn how to hold a fork and spoon but teach how to give up such eating habits.")

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: To apni bolchen . . . (indistinct) . . . defeated by Asia . . . mone ache apnar? Kajon round table . . . Sur Saheb ke niye yakhan esechilen. (So you are saying . . . (indistinct) . . . defeated by Asia . . . do you remember? Round table . . . when you came with Sur Saheb.)

Prabhupāda: Edersob baganer kichu vegetable eneche Maharaj. (They have brought some vegetables from the garden Mahārāja.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Accha . . . (I see . . .) . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Begun, jhinger bati-caccari khub bhalo hobe. (The eggplant and ridge gourd will make very good bati-caccarī. (traditional Bengali preparation))

Jayapatāka: Potol, bhendi. (Pointed gourd, lady's fingers.)

Prabhupāda: Only this Jhinga, and . . .

Jayapatāka: Na, begun, jhinga, potol . . . (Eggplant, ridgegourd, pointedgourd . . .)

Prabhupāda: Oh, potol is there? (Oh, pointedgourd is there?)

Jayapatāka: . . . Bhendi . . . (. . . Lady Fingers . . .)

Prabhupāda: Oh . . . amader okhane, nijeder fashal hocche besh. (Oh . . . at our place, we are growing our own crops.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sabai era parsrami. (They are hardworking.)

Prabhupāda: Hya, era khub parsrami. Ar sob jayga kinche sob dhan, cal korbe bole. (Yes, they are very hardworking. They are buying more land to grow rice and crops.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Eder sob intelligence ache to. Ekhon eidike laglei hobe. (They are intelligent. Now, they have to utilise it here.)

Devotee: Maharaj, apnar jonye ki khabar? Apnar kichu . . . asubidha kise ache . . . (Mahārāja, what would you like to eat? If you have . . . if you have a problem in anything . . .)

Prabhupāda: Na, seto achei. (He has.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Seiye bollam Sachi . . . (indistinct) . . . ke jijnasa kore nao. (I have told you to ask Sachi . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Accha, Ekadasi te ki potol bhaja khaoa yay Maharaj? (On Ekādaśī, can fried pointed-gourd be eaten Mahārāja?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Huh?

Prabhupāda: Potol bhaja? (Pointed-gourd?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Potoler bhaja to coleche, Mayapure Prabhupader samay. Dham utpanna, eibole coleche. (Yes, pointed-gourd was eaten at Māyāpur during Prabhupāda's time. Cultivated in dham so it was eaten.)

Prabhupāda: To, potol bhaja deben. (So, give fried pointed-gourd.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bahu beej nisedh, to pepeo to bahu beej. Kathal bahu beej, bahu beej to onek ache. (Multi-seeded fruits are prohibited, however, papaya is multi-seeded. Also, raw jack-fruit is a multi-seeded vegetable. There are many multi-seeded ones.)

Prabhupāda: Shosa . . . (Cucumber . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, shosa bahu beej . . . kumro. Sobito bahu beej. Ar tar modhye alada kore potol nisedh bola hoyeche ek caturmasye. Tao dham utpanna bole amader coleche, osob niye ato bicar korbar darkar nei . . . (indistinct Bengali) . . . (Yes, cucumber is multi-seeded . . . like pumpkin. Most of these are multi-seeded. Otherwise pointed gourd is not eaten during cāturmāsya. Still as it is cultivated in the dhama that's why we have eaten, we don't need to be so strict and judgemental . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ekta potole ki . . . (indistinct) . . . ekhan kar potol prasiddha. (A pointed-gourd . . . (indistinct) . . . the pointed-gourd from here is famous.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Mahāprabhu . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ekhane apnar ei darjar kachete eto potol dheleche, sob bikr korche. (Outside the gate of your place here they are selling pointed-gourd in heaps.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bikr korche . . . (Selling . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ekhon ki dar potoler janen? (What's the price of pointed gourd over here?)

Devotee: Eikhanei, aat ana kg hobe. (Must be fifty paisa per kilogram.)

Prabhupāda: Eikhane, oi . . . sei yakhan ami Keśava Mahārājer sange, ek sange chilem, ek paisa na dui paisa se. Amito nije dekhechi. Ei math theke kinle dui paisa na ek paisa. (It used to cost one or two paisa for a little less than a kilogram, when you were there with Keśava Mahārāja. I've seen this myself. It was selling in the wholesale market for 2 paisa or 1 paisa.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Paisay der-soa kore potol hate. Paisay der-soa. Yakhan bikr-tikr kore shes cole yacche sob. Bikr holo na, der-soa, dui-soa ya hoy diye yacche. Amar mon ache ami lobhe pore, Jabalpur hote bari yetei, hate dekhlam oi rakam potol sasta. Ei cadore kore yato parlam pray adhman potol, sasta kine kadhe kore collam. (Yes, even I remember that this pointed gourd was excess, one paisa per 150g. One paisa per 150g. When selling is over and they are going back. Those would not be sold, then they were selling one paisa per 150g or 200g. I remember I was then in greed, I was returning home from Jabalpur, so I saw in the market those pointed gourds are so cheap in price. I took a big cloth and put 20 kgs of pointed gourd, and I started for home with the cheap pointed gourd on my back.)

Prabhupāda: Potol to ekta upakari jinish. (Pointed gourd is a useful thing.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (chanting) Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa . . .

Prabhupāda: Amader . . . ei cheletike cenen to? A amari shisya chilo. (Our . . . do you recognise this boy? He was my disciple.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Amito cokhe bhalo dekhina. (My vision is not good.)

Prabhupāda: Oh, dekhen na . . . (Oh, you can't see . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sei jonye ami cine rakhte parini. Tobe oi sei . . . Rsikes . . . (That's why I'm unable to recognise them . . . but I know Ṛṣikesa . . .) (indistinct Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Hya, oi samay eseche . . . (Yes, they have come then . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bon Maharajer oi . . . (Because of Bon Mahārāja . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya oi buddhita kore . . . (He has a lot of that kind of intelligence . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct Bengali) . . . jonyeito apni baki yara chilo, amar ekhane pathalen. (. . . that's why you sent the remaining people to me.)

Prabhupāda: Hya, apnito sob janen. (Yes, you are aware of what happened.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Oi jani. Oi ye rakshak, bhakshak hoye gelo. Ar oi dharan . . . oi sob . . . nijer pratista ta yei dekhchen kome yacche, omni ekta kore school, college diye tar ghare cepe, uni baro Maharaj hoye thakte cacchen oi classe. (I know what happened. And his ways are such that when he thinks that his establishment is reducing, immediately he starts a school or college and he piggy-backs on that and wants to remain at the center as the big Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Lake Town . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sanatan Gosvami paban sarabarer sei pabirtra sthan ta, sekhane ekta college khuleche, gundar adda koreche. (At Santana Gosvami's pure place of pilgrimage, he's gone and opened a mundane college that's become a place for rogues to congregate.)

Prabhupāda: Accha. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ami ekhantheke opposition di, esob ki hocche? (I have made an opposition, and questioned the activities going on there.)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ki hocche? (What is going on there?)

Prabhupāda: Government er help pabe kina. (They get help from the government.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . slaughterhouse. Government er help pabar kichu korlam, lok jon ektu mane Bon Maharaj ei arki, Svami Bon. (Nothing but a slaughterhouse. Government help means . . . they will not say anything because he is Swami Bon.)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Esobi holo Svami Bon er boibhab. Oichara uni paren na. Exhibitive Maharaj. Demonstrative. (All this is Swami Bon's projects. Other than this, he's unable to do anything. Exhibitive Mahārāja. Demonstrative.) Ekta kichu lagle demonstrative chay, yate or oi rakam poca prothista. Ekbar amake oi rakam ekjon ese bollo ye, "Bon Maharaj ei Kesav Das Babaji beshi iye kore ye, "Bon Maharaj holen giye fifth saint and devotee". (He needs to be demonstrative because all he wants is to create an empire to rule. He follows Kesava Das Babaji. Once someone came and told me that, "Bon Mahārāja is the fifth saint in the world.")

Prabhupāda: Accha? (Really?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Han tate apotti ki ache? Protham ekjon padri . . . (What objection would anyone have to that? So I said that the first saint is the Christian priest . . .)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Prothom ekjon padri, ar dvitio hoyto hobe ekjona Boiddha, tritiya ekjon molla, ar caturtha hoyto ekjon hobe giye ihudi, ar pancam Bon Maharaj! ete amar kono apotti nei. (The first saint is the Christian priest, second is the Buddhist monk, third a Muslim cleric, fourth a Jewish one, and the fifth one is Bon Mahārāja! I said: "It is all right, I have no objection.")

(laughter)

Prabhupāda: Takhan . . . (Then . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Takhan, uni comke gelen. (Then, the person was taken aback. )

Prabhupāda: Pancam purus hobe . . . (The fifth saint . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Pancam yakhan hoyechen, takhon taropor yei hobe tader . . . (indistinct) . . . fifth uni hote paren, ete amar kono objection nei. (He has become the fifth saint, after that whoever will be, they . . . (indistinct) . . . he can be the fifth . . . I have no objection.)

Prabhupāda: Ar, Tirtha Maharaj sixth naki? (Yes. And is Tīrtha Mahārāja the sixth?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ta ami janina. Eta onekdinker age kar katha. Bolo Hari! (That I don't know. This incident was from long ago. Bolo Hari!)

(interruption)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja:

śrī-bhagavān uvāca

ūrdhva-mūlam adhaḥ-śākham

aśvatthaṁ prāhur avyayam

chandāṁsi yasya parṇāni

yas taṁ veda sa veda-vit

(BG 15.1)

Prabhupāda: fifteenth chapter. "Sa veda-vit"

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The cause of this world is connected with the upper world. "Yas taṁ veda sa veda-vit".

Prabhupāda: Ye eta jane, se "veda-vit". (The one who knows this "veda-vit".)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Huh?

Prabhupāda: Ye eta jane, se "veda-vit". (The one who knows this "veda-vit".)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yei . . . sei prakrta ved yane. Tarporei bollen, guṇa-pravṛddhā viṣaya-pravālāḥ (BG 15.2). (Yes, the one who knows the manifested Vedas. After that, He says, guṇa-pravṛddhā viṣaya-pravālāḥ (BG 15.2).)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ei br . . . gacher yeman sakha hoy, pallab . . . (Just like there are branches of a tree . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Temni ei jagat ta, pallab hoyeche eta . . . gun hoyeche. Prakrtir gun hocche. (Similarly, this world has branches . . . the modes affecting this world.)

Prabhupāda: Tin gun . . . (The three modes . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eta created . . . created . . .

Prabhupāda: Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni (BG 3.27).

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Guṇa-pravṛddhā viṣaya-pravālāḥ". Pancatan matra hote, ei ekdike karmendrya, jnanendrya ebong panca mahabhut. Ei tin dike eta bistar labh korlo. Sattva gune holo giye, jnanendrya. sabda, sparsa, rup, ras, gandha. Sabdake janche ye se holo jnanendrya, ar sei anusare kaj ye korche, se karmendrya . . . ar seiti hoye samne dariyeche tama gun. (On one side there are the working senses, the knowledge acquiring senses and the five gross elements. All these are influenced by the modes. In the mode of goodness . . . the five sense organs—the eyes, ears, nose, tongue and touch. The mode of passion where the activities are carried out by the senses of action.)

Prabhupāda: Karmendriya . . . (The working senses . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ar seiti hoye samne dariyeche tama gune. Sei holo panca mahabhut. Ekta hote bifurcate kore ei tinte ese upasthit hocche, opor theke sob coming down. (These are utilised in the mode of ignorance . . . the five gross senses. These bifurcate into the three modes of nature that are descending from above.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ebong seta cokhe . . . cokhe ful . . . sharse ful dekhar moto ekta jinish. Cokhe yeman sharser ful dekhe gajay. (This is like "An unspeakable disaster" (Bengali euphemism). As an unspeakable disaster.)

Prabhupāda: Ota ekta rog naki? (Is that like a disease?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, eta rog-i. Samasta jiver ekta rogete, ei jagat ta tike royeche. (Yes, it is a disease. All living entities in this world are affected by this disease.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Basis hocche . . . (The basis is . . .)

Prabhupāda: Bhaba rog . . . (Material disease . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Disease of the mind . . .

Prabhupāda: Diseased mind . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . diseased mind. Ta, similar rogi yodi hoy, ek jaygay gather korle, sabai holde dekhche. Sei classer sobai bhog moy jagatete ese, tar modhye classification royeche. Sutarang, asole eta bikrta darshan. (If there are similar patients, then all of them gather together and see the same thing. There are various classification of living entities who take birth in this material world. Therefore, this world is a perverted reflection.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Asole bikrta darshane, ei jagater perverted reflection . . . (indistinct) . . . erakam bhabe pakete amar eto taka ache bolei ki, thakbe? Tatese jabab diyeche ye, universal minde ache, Brahmar monete royeche. Sei jonye amar iyeta na thakleo, amar mon, Brahmar mon theke ei jinishta . . . (Hence the reality of this world is blurred . . . (indistinct) . . . just because I have money, does that mean that it will stay? The answer is the universal mind. So, even though I may not possess, my thoughts are in Brahma . . .)

Prabhupāda: . . . hya, Brahma thekeito srsti. (. . . yes creation of everything is from Brahma.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ar prothamei hocche idea . . . (indistinct) . . . boleche idea prothame, tarpor ya kichu activity. Ei jonye ekjon iye korechilo Marx . . . (indistinct) . . . ye, Marx er world paye hate, ar Hegeler world mathay hate. (That is the first idea. All other activity follows after that idea. Hence, it was said by Marx . . . (indistinct) . . . therefore, it is stated that "Hegel's world walks on its head, while Marx's world walks on its feet". Someone sarcastically said this.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Besh ekta bidrup koreche ye, "Hegel er jagat mathay hate, kintu Marx bolche, na jagat paye hate", eta bidrupatmak bhabete jinistake prakash koreche. (It is said very sarcastically that, "Hegel's world walks on head but Marx is saying no the world walks on its feet." This thing was sarcastically revealed.)

Prabhupāda: Brain . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Asole katha ye, age idea, tobe sei anusare kaj arambha hocche, kaj korche. Construction, age plan, tarpore kaj. Sob byapare. (So first is the idea upon which the work must be based. First, construction of the plan, thereafter the work. In all matters.) Ta, seidik diye, age oidik theke jinista ekhane asche. Cetanei ache. Cetanto ekta independent of matter. (Similarly, first there is the consciousness that is coming from above that is, independent of matter.) Into clear introspection, the spirit can see spirit, can feel spirit, but matter cannot feel matter . . . Ar oiye . . . (indistinct) . . . yetay Bon Maharajke kayda korlo. (Just like . . . (indistinct) . . . which defeated Bon Mahārāja.) The matter presupposes spirit. Whatever you will ascribe to your forces, it presupposes consciousness: this is his color, this is dark, this is this, this is . . . this, that means . . .

Prabhupāda: Consciousness studying forces.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Consciousness in a degraded state sees forces. Consciousness sraddhar tartamma, (Situated in firm faith) is there, śraddhā, himself, then superior soul . . .

Prabhupāda: And the supermost.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And in the ultimate reality, Kṛṣṇa - all love, all good, all beauty. That realm. Consciousness can . . . individual consciousness can live in and move in, in a land of beautiful. In the land of divine love. Anyone having any conception of beauty and love which is the prime cause of the universe . . . he cannot like anything in this world other than that Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59).

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: All his charm has vanished as soon that type of rasa, that rasa, that quality has got little . . . how you can like in the heart. Everything.

yad-anucarita-līlā-karṇa-pīyuṣa-vipruṭ

sakṛd adana-vidhūta-dvandva-dharmā vinaṣṭāḥ

sapadi gṛha-kuṭumbaṁ dīnam utsṛjya dīnā

bahava iha vihaṅgā bhikṣu-caryāṁ caranti

(SB 10.47.18)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bhramara-gītā, Radharani bolchen . . . (Rādhārānī says . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Yes, yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Yad-anucarita-līlā-karṇa-pīyuṣa-vipruṭ" . . . a drop of nectar of pure pastimes . . . līlā . . . when he has entered in any pastimes . . . then all things turn into ashes to him. "yad-anucarita-līlā-karṇa-pīyuṣa-vipruṭ, sakṛd adana-vidhūta-dvandva-dharmā vinaṣṭāḥ". He is independent of "dvandva-dharmā", that is "rāga-daeeṣ" or this conjugal life . . . both. A permanent partner in this conjugal life . . . that is, that seems to be redundant to him, without Kṛṣṇa. So, "dvandva-dharmā" as well as "yanda-dharma" means "rāga and the daeeṣ" all vanished.

"Dvandva-dharmā vinaṣṭāḥ, sapadi gṛha-kuṭumbaṁ". And what is the effect . . . after effect? Very soon he leaves everything. ". . .kuṭumbaṁ dīnam utsṛjya dīnā". He himself, poses himself to be very poor one and leaves his paraphernalia . . . present paraphernalia . . . and they also, without him think themselves very poorer. In this way, this " . . . iha vihaṅgā bhikṣu-caryāṁ caranti". Just as a bird from this tree to that tree removing, he also in quest of Kṛṣṇa from here to there, there to here, in this way with Kṛṣṇa in heart . . . (indistinct) . . . and sometimes they come a particular state to organise for the jiva, to help them . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: So what is your advice? Shall I fly like the . . . (indistinct) . . . or return?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Anukulasya sankalpa. Ekta upayukta hoyechen, paricalan . . . ekhon kichu din theke paricalan korun. Etei beshi labh mone hoy amar. Madhav Maharajkeo tai boli ye, beshi nije chuta-chuti kore yodi 'penny-wise, poun-foolish' na hoy, mane yukta-vairagya. Gitay yeta bolche, yukta-vairagya. (Accept that which is favorable. Now that all of them have gathered here, there's more to be gained if you stay here and give direction. I told Mādhava Mahārāja also that is, there's no need to run around, and not be 'penny-wise, pound-foolish', meaning . . . utilize everything in devotional service while being renounced for self-interests. "Yukta-vairagya" as stated in the Gita . . . "yukta-vairagya".)

Prabhupāda: Na, amar position ta hocche. Ora sob ekta natun jinish peyeche to, tai sakali chay dekhte . . . publice . . . (My position is that they have received something new, so they all want to see . . . the public . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hmm?

Prabhupāda: Public o dekhte cay. Ei Mexico theke khub request korche amake. Australia thekeo tai. (The public also wants to see. They have sent requests from Mexico for me to visit. Same from Australia.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: As much as . . . as much as you can accommodate for them . . . you need too . . . but don't . . . not at the risk of life.

Prabhupāda: Ebare Australia theke . . . Australiate ora sob arrange koreche, tin khana rath berobe, Melbourne. Ar khub birat arrangement koreche amar yabar jonye . . . ekebare khub . . . ami gelam na. (At this time in Australia . . . they have arranged in Australia, three Ratha will go out in Melbourne. They made huge arrangements and were very keen for my presence but I did not go.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yete parlam na. (You could not go.)

Prabhupāda: Yete parlam na . . . (laughing) gelam na mane, yete parlam na. Similarly, abar London theke. Londone gato bare ami rather samay chilam. Khub birat procession hoyechilo. Trafalgar Squarete amader sob meeting holo. Diksha holo sob. Tar modhye onek sob engrej chilo. Ekjon banker manager, Midland Banker . . . seo dikshita holo. Sei sob function holo for three hours, (I couldn't go . . . (laughing) I didn't go means I could not go. Similarly, they have sent a request from London. I was there last year for Ratha-yatra. It was a huge procession. We had a meeting at Trafalgar Square. There was an initiation ceremony. There were many Britishers. One of them is a bank manager with Midland Bank . . . he also received initiation. There was a function that went on for three hours,) and they stood in the scorching sunshine. Sob. Eisob Trafalgar Square sob foara khule dilo. Lok bahut hoyeche, tin ghanta time. Dariye, dariye sob dekhlen, tara prasad nilen. (All of them. They turned on all the fountains at Trafalgar Square. So many people stood for three hours and watched the ceremony. After that, they ate the remnants of food offered to the Lord.)

Prabhupāda: (aside) Somebody? Any one of you were present at that time at Trafalgar Square?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Tobe, protyeke . . . bhetareto ekta jinish ache . . . (Because they are gifted with something from within . . .)

Prabhupāda: Jinista peyeche to . . . they are gifted . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Innate jinis, sutarang bahulok, bahu byabasthar modhye . . . (This is something innate, therefore many people even though they are in a difficult situation are able to accept . . .)

Prabhupāda: Oi innate bolei nicche. Innate bolei . . . (They are able to accept it because it is innate. They are accepting because it is innate . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, innate ache bolei sambhab. Hocche, yakhan dekhche, khanikta intellectual layerta eitake nassat kore dicche, dhoya kore dicche. (Yes, it is possible because it is innate. When they are finding an intellectual impetus, it is fanning the fire within.)

Prabhupāda: Seitato intellectually ase na . . . (But this is not possible to achieve intellectually . . .) how within . . . trying for six years . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yakhan dekhche otake chapiye, ei kathata royeche, takhon ei lok asannita hoye uthche. (Because this is already imprinted, people are reacting.) The intellectual barrier has been crossed.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . and from there it is being extended to this mundane world of ours. Takhan ei lok encouragement bodh korche. (That is when they are feeling encouraged.)

Prabhupāda: One intelligent boy—you have heard his name, George Harrison. He's one of the greatest musicians at the present moment of the world. I think so?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: George Harrison. So he's becoming . . . he's very intelligent . . . so he's becoming interested. Now recently he has given us a house in London which is fifty-five lakhs.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Jal daoto khaoar . . . garam . . . beshi. (Give me some water to drink . . . warm . . . more.)

Prabhupāda: Which is worth two hundred thousand Pound. Two hundred thousand Pound, ordinarily it is forty lakhs. And in the market value, because Pound is selling in India thirty, twenty-eight, at least twenty-five, in that way . . .

Prabhupāda: Spittoon dao . . . (Please give him the spittoon . . .)

(break)

Prabhupāda: (laughing) Par karo abar par karo . . . (Keep crossing again and again . . .) Hya, ami modhye khub asustha hoye porechilam. (Yes, recently, I was very unwell.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . (indistinct) . . . hmm.

Prabhupāda: Ekhono ache amar. Asusthata thik sampurna hoyni. (The cough is still there. I haven't recovered completely from the illness.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hare Kṛṣṇa . . .

Prabhupāda: Ekhon ektu khanik, hoyeche ki janen? Oi saat . . . saat bachorto eisob deshe achi to, khub garam sardi hoy. (You know what has happened now? After travelling overseas for seven years, I'm now unable to tolerate very hot weather.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Purite ekta thakar . . . (indistinct) . . . sea side, beshi garamo noy, beshi thanda noy . . . (indistinct) . . . Indiar modhye Bangalore holo sobceye . . . sob majha, majhi natisitasna. Khub alpo sit baromas. Samasta Indiar modhye sit kaleo alpo sit . . . . (indistinct) . . . ar grsma kaleo alpo sit. (A place in Puri for living . . . (indistinct) . . . by the seaside, it is neither too hot or too cold there. I have also discovered that within India, Bangalore is most . . . every time temperate. Twelve months of very mild cold. Among the India winter is mild there . . . (indistinct) . . . and also in summer there is mild cold.)

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Natisitasna . . . eta holo Bangalore . . . (In Bangalore weather is temperate . . .)

Prabhupāda: Amader oi U.S.A te, Los Angeles tao oirakam. (In U.S.A, Los Angeles has similar weather.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ar tachara apni korte paren, ekta air-condition kore nilei hoy. Akhon yodi subidha thake. (You can also have it air-conditioned. That may be easy to do.)

Prabhupāda: Air-condition kora kono asubidha nei, (Of course, it can easily be air-conditioned) but I don't like it. Air-conditioned. Artificial.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: It can be suffocating . . .

Prabhupāda: . . . suffocation. Air-conditioned, I never liked.

Devotee: Air-condition ki vaisnava seva korte parbena? (Will you be able to give devotional service to the air-conditioner?)

(laughter)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yajnata anusare parbe. Yodi kono bisaye ayajnata thake, ta se kaje vaisnava sevay giye bighna ghatabe. (Can do according to the qualification of one. If he is not qualified in some stages then he would cause disruption.)

Prabhupāda: Hya, sevar name aparadh hoye yabe. Ta amar iccha chilo, Maharaj, apnake ekbar niye yabo. Apnar yodi iccha hoy. Kono asubidha hobe na. (Yes, that would be committing offense in the name of devotional service. It is my desire, Mahārāja, to take you overseas. If you so desire. There will not be any difficulty.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Kothay? (Where?)

Prabhupāda: Eisob, amader yekhane yekhane sob. (To those places where we have our centers.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (laughing) Ami eisob jaygay nijei berobona. Ei jayga tay, ei chorita niye, ei barenday ghora, ghuri kori. (I won't leave this place. I am here with this body, and roam around in this veranda with my walking stick.)

Prabhupāda: Keno, nice namle . . . (If you step outside, then . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bishes parbete, mandire giye . . . (indistinct) . . . (Only during special occasions, I go to the temple . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Heart beating hoyna nice namle? (Your heart does not beat when you go down?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ajke ektu santa hoyeche. Ta na hole pore, oi siri diye bhanga-tanga te ar beshi katha bolle. Ajke ektu khane kom hocche. Ta na hole jore katha bolle . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Of late, it is slightly better. Only when I talk too much it happens. I have recovered from that slightly. If I talk loudly then the heart.)

Prabhupāda: Amar icche chelo ye, apnake ekbar dekhano, 'Gaura-r sampad sei toh dekhe'. Kiram sob hoyeche. (I have the desire to show you . . . "Gaura-r sampad sei toh dekhe". What all has been done.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dekhbar ache . . . (There's a lot to see . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya, dekhbar to ache. Bishes kore amader sob, Los Angeles mandir. (Yes, there is a lot to see. Particularly, our temple in Los Angeles.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Vaisnaver jal kheteo ektu ceye khabe vaisanaver jal, bhakti pabar jonye. Temni eisob baibhab darshan koreto bhaktir samrddhi hobe kina dekhchi. (Vaisnava's water must be begged for to receive mercy. Surely, by seeing all that would be a success of one's devotion.)

pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma

sarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma

(CB 4.126)

Prabhupāda: Los Angelese bishes kore . . . (Especially the one in Los Angeles . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eita to ekta visionary kotha. Etdin porjanta eta khanikta ekta visionary din dream chilo. Apni seta ke bastabayane niye elen. (These are visionary words. So far, it has only been a visionary's dream. You have brought it to reality.)

Prabhupāda: Na, ami korini, tini korchen. (No, I haven't done it. He is doing it.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Etaito . . . aryai holo apnar marfate, eta khanikta bastabaita hote gelo. Keno hobena? (Yes . . . due to your efforts, it has come to reality. Why shouldn't it happen?) Why not? Eto baro yakhan jiniste . . . (It is such a massive movement . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya, oi determination ta . . . (Yes, I had the determination . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Keno jagat pabe na? (Why won't the world get this?) Why they not appreciate? (śloka from Sri Upadeṣamṛta) Er modhye bhalo jinisher adar hobe na? (Why won't good things happen?)

Prabhupāda: Hobe na . . . oiti ami cinta kori, ye communistra ei gundami kore kore, sara jagatete communist party hote Mahaprabhur party ta colbe na? etai ami cinta kori . . . amra khali nacbo, gaibo ar khete debo . . . ei party ta colbe na! ei gundar party ta colbe? Dekhlem ye, hya eta success holo, kebol naciye, gaiye ar khaiye. Bas. (Won't happen . . . that's what I am thinking. the whole world is now infiltrated by communists, full of rogues . . . if the communist party can go in such large numbers, why won't Mahāprabhu's party? This is what I'm thinking . . . we only dance, sing and give prasada . . . this party won't work but the rogues party will work? (laughter) But we can see this has become a big success only by making them dance, sing and by feeding them. That's all.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ar kono kaj nei. Khabar bhalo . . . (There's no other work to do. Give good food . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ar na. Bas. Gorar theke ami nije hate redhe, dos-baro jonke khaiyechi, pratham thekei. Takhan amar shisya-tisya hoyni. Oi nije. Tao ek khana dukhana kore ruti ditam, ektu khani prasad ditam . . . (There's nothing else. That's all. Right from the beginning, I would cook and feed ten or twelve people, right from the start. At that time I didn't have any disciples. On my own. I would give one or two flat bread and some prasada . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Prasad system . . . (Prasada system . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya, prasad system. Ekhonto, amader prattek centerete Rabibar dine tinsa, carsa lok ase. Love feast. Baro, baro . . . tara sone . . . tara Hari katha sone, prasad pay. Boi kene. (Yes, prasada system. Now, at every center we have a feast on Sundays that's attended by 300-400 people. Love feast. Big, big . . . they listen . . . they listen to Kṛṣṇa's words. They take prasada. They buy books.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eta ki general expenditure naki particular keu keu eita sarbaraho kore. (Is this in general expenditure or some particular people who are contributing?)

Prabhupāda: Eta ekta general. Na, na amader contribution bole kono jinish nai. (General public. No, no we have no contribution. Amader . . . our . . . we are solely depending on our books.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Acyutananda bolechilo ye, ek hajar taka diye . . . (indistinct) . . . sob pabe. Sob publication Godhead ebong anyanya publication, sob pabe. (Acyutananda said that, by giving rupees one thousand . . . (indistinct) . . . they will get everything. Every publication like Godhead and other publications, they will get everything.)

Prabhupāda: Hya, etate Indiate introduce korechilam. Yakhan Indiate elum 1970 te, takhan . . . (Yes, I've introduced this in India. When I came back to India in 1970, then . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ekta . . . (indistinct) . . . baro, baro lok tara nite laglo . . . (One . . . (indistinct) . . . many big people must have taken this . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Alpo samayer modhye ekta substance holo, financial position ese gelo. (In a short time, there will be a substance and strong financial position will be built.)

Prabhupāda: Hya. Yakhan aschi, takhan ami bhablam ye, yakhan okhane gechilam, se oi boi kakhana niye gechilam, callista taka. Ar Iniday yakhan aschi, takhan . . . oi . . . amar . . . ye . . . iyete secretary ache, Los Angeles . . . take bollam ye, tomar kache ki taka ache, dite paro, to se bale amar kache hajar pacek dollers ache. To ami . . . ota dao to. Ota niye Japane . . . Japane ese, taderke bollem tumi ektu Bhaktivedanta Book Fund account kholo. (Yes. While travelling back, I was thinking that when I went overseas, I only took a few books with me and forty rupees. And when I was returning to India, my secretary of Los Angeles, I asked him how much money we have, and he said that we have about five thousand dollars. So, I went to Japan . . . in Japan I gave that money to them, and asked them to open a Bhaktivedanta Book Fund account.)

Ar ei, (And this,) five thousand dollar, "You take advance . . . deposit. Take my orders." So, I gave him orders - books worth fifty-two thousands of dollars, advancing five thousand dollars. And they gradually supplied to India. And they gradually supplied to India. And from USA we gradually, little by little, we paid. So that became the asset, of books. And I advised them that, "You go and present these books to respectable gentlemen to become a member, and they'll become." And actually that plan became successful. Now the same members, they have not only paid eleven hundred. Now some of them, they're paying eleven thousand. Recently one gentleman belonging to the Birla family . . . eh?

Bhavānanda: L. M. Birla.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The other day, the family came there and Jagan went there . . .

Prabhupāda: No, no. Another family. They came to our Calcutta center. In how many motors they came?

Bhavānanda: Seventeen.

Prabhupāda: Seventeen motorcars, whole family. And after seeing the Deity they presented a check for eleven thousand rupees. So by Kṛṣṇa's grace, money is coming. There is no scarcity. And they are spending here in Māyāpur. So with that five hundred . . . five thousand dollar, whatever asset is Indian now, that is from five thousand . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Also you have proved also that capital is on the other world. Capital is also . . . so it is being supplied . . .

Prabhupāda: Now, these books suppliers, Dai Nippon, they give us credit up to two hundred thousand dollars. two hundred thousand dollars, in our Indian exchange, it is twenty lakhs of rupees. So they give us credit. We take books from them and distribute and then pay. In this way, it is going on. In Los Angeles alone we are selling . . . how many books daily?

Śrutakīrti: Two thousand, maybe. Fifteen hundred a day.

Prabhupāda: Two thousand pieces, and the collection is about eight thousand dollars . . . no, eight hundred dollars. Eight hundred dollars. So they're very anxiously taking our books. A new literature. They have no such idea, what is God, what is bhakti, how they can be explained. Our Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, publisher Macmillan, within one year . . . last August they . . . the first edition. And . . . not yet August. By this time, they have finished two editions, and the third edition is in the press. That will be available in July.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Edition of how many numbers . . .

Prabhupāda: Fifty thousand.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Fifteen thousand.

Prabhupāda: Fifty. Five, zero.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Marvelous success.

Prabhupāda: And Bhāgavata also, we have got six volumes. So people purchase the whole set, sixty dollars.

(aside) Sixty dollars for the whole set? No? How much?

Śrutakīrti: They sell it for thirty dollars.

Prabhupāda: Thirty dollars, yes. So this is very encouraging that our books are . . . Sardi ache. (You've got a cold cough.) The books are selling like anything, these books.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hotcake. (laughter)

Prabhupāda: Hotcakes, yes. (laughter) We are ordering to Dai Nippon . . . because they are giving us facilities, one hundred thousand copies each. And distributed all over the world. Australia . . . the whole . . . Australia is English-speaking. Whole America is English-speaking. England, English-speaking. And Europe also, half English-speaking. India, more than half English-speaking. So in this way, English literatures, worldwide circulation we are getting. And besides that, we have published in German language, in Spanish language. Just yesterday I received Spanish Back to Godhead. People are liking it, very much. So here is something.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Who is in charge of this publication?

Prabhupāda: Publication . . . I have made one Trust, Bhaktivedanta Book Trust.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Who is the leader?

Prabhupāda: I am there, and one . . . my sannyāsī disciple, Bali-mardana.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Where is that Bali-mardana?

Prabhupāda: Bali-mardana. Bali-mardana and another, Karandhara dāsa Adhikārī. So actually he's the manager, Karandhara dāsa Adhikārī. He is looking after.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: At America?

Prabhupāda: In Los Angeles. He's very intelligent boy. He knows everything. He knows accounts, He knows how to construct building. He knows how to manage. He knows how to publish. Everything.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Versatile.

Prabhupāda: Versatile, yes. And he's not very old. And he wants to take sannyasa, the renounced order of life also. He's a grhastha, householder; he has got a child. And, "Just wait. We shall arrange for your . . . you are already sannyasi." He lives apart from his wife. So he's very nice boy.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: So I do not have here one copy regularly.

Prabhupāda: Oh, why? Why not Back to Godhead?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Last time I got I requested, but they have forgotten.

Prabhupāda: It is . . . (indistinct)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Once letter to me in . . . (indistinct) . . . in Benares Candraśekhara and Navadvīpa Candraśekhara, uncle. The Benares Candraśekhara, the lekhā śūdra, and the Mahāprabhu's maternal uncle, Candraśekhara Ācārya . . .

Prabhupāda: Candraśekhara, yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eh? Has been misplaced.

Prabhupāda: Oh, Candraśekhara Ācārya and śūdra . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And Candraśekhara . . .

Prabhupāda: Where?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Has been told to be this Candraśekhara, a servant Candraśekhara.

Prabhupāda: Benares Candraśekhara was a doctor.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Doctor.

Prabhupāda: And he is . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: This is . . . uncle.

Prabhupāda: Uncle, uncle. In Back to Godhead, you have seen it.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Back to Godhead".

Prabhupāda: Maybe.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: So much clear conception in such a small period of time that they have acquired. This is a marvelous thing. The . . . (indistinct) . . . also, ISKCON has said in such a way, this Dāmodara Svarūpa and the Paṇḍita Dāmodara. Generally, these are for public, but minute reader only can differentiate.

Prabhupāda: Dāmodara. Svarūpa Dāmodara and Dāmodara Paṇḍita.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dāmodara Paṇḍita. Two different, but one is Lalitā. Another is a mañjarī of Candrāvalī, Paṇḍita Dāmodara.

Prabhupāda: Oh. (laughs) Opposite party.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Opposite party. And this is the leader of this party, and he . . .

Prabhupāda: How they came together? Caitanyākhyāṁ prakaṭam adhunā (CC Ādi-līlā 1.5)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bon Mahārāja once misplaced that very . . .

Prabhupāda: In which book?

Śrīla Śrīdhara Mahārāja: In this . . . many.

Prabhupāda: Eh? In which book? Or he spoke in a speech or what?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: In speech must be, but . . .

Prabhupāda: But he hasn't got many books.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: No. One Paramo Dharma in Bengali, and First Year in England, Second Year in England, in this way . . .

Prabhupāda: That is not a . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: One . . . (indistinct) . . . in German language.

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What is there, I do not know. First Year in England. My First Year in England. My Second Year in England. And it was very disgusted to Prabhupāda, this . . .

Prabhupāda: Prabhupāda, yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And his servant.

Prabhupāda: And therefore he was called back.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Nothing. "I met that such-and-such person on such-and-such date. I met on that . . . I, that is one lecture there." Everything: "I, I, I . . ."

Prabhupāda: (laughs) And there was a picture: "Swāmījī is playing on harmonium."

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (laughs) And Tīrtha Mahārāja is trying a . . . be a pigeon or something like that, and staring . . . these were the pictures while London preaching. And the money . . .

Prabhupāda: So our, at present Tīrtha Mahārāja, Bhakti-Vilāsa-Tīrtha Mahārāja, he's representing Prabhupāda. At least, he tries to pose himself. So Bon Mahārāja's activities, in comparison to that, my activities certainly better. And Bon Mahārāja was given so much reception. But he did not give me any reception. How he can claim to be Prabhupāda's representative?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bon Mahārāja was given reception because Prabhupāda was . . .

Prabhupāda: No, Prabhupāda appreciated anyway.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Anyway.

Prabhupāda: But here there is no appreciation.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: He's representing . . . he's representing the mission, he thinks. He thinks so, but he's so poor in his . . . preaching capacity that he cannot accommodate any other in his camp than him and Vinoba Bhave. I heard a story of Maharashtra. In old age, there was a good king who encouraged the learned scholars very much. And he had got in his assembly a scholar, one Balarāma. He always looked after this, that.

No paṇḍita can have any entrance to that Mahārāja. And he professed himself to be, he is the biggest pandita in the land. So once Kālidāsa . . . at the time of Kālidāsa. Kālidāsa, when he heard, then he formed a plan and went to that pandita that, "I am a poor brahmin. I want some, some sort of money from the king. You are all in all . . ."

Prabhupāda: Recommend.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Please recommend me." "Oh, yes." And then, "What sort of scholarship you have got? Do you . . . can you compose any poem?" "Yes. I can." "Then do it." Then, "Uttiṣṭhottiṣṭha bhū-rājan mukhaṁ prakṣālaya atha, roditi na ghare kukurana vaidyuhi na vaidyo hi" This stanza. What is the meaning? (laughs) The uttiṣṭhottiṣṭha o rājan: "O King, . . ."

Prabhupāda: "Get up."

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Wake up, wake up. Get up. Bhū-rājan mukhaṁ prakṣālaya atha." "And . . ."

Prabhupāda: Wash up.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: ". . . cleanse your mouth. Wash your mouth." And ta . . . then what is this ta? "Well, keep it in your hand." Roditi na ghare kukura . . . "The ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta . . . hen. "That ta is placed there in advance; that ta must come here." Roditi na ghare kukura ta. "But for the caṇḍa, and it has been removed there. And that one word, the place was empty. So this ta has been positioned, has been placed there." Roditi na ghare kukura. "And what is this ca vai tu hi, ca vai tu hi? No." "This is ca-vai-tu-hi, all these letters only to pada, for pada pūraṇa. So this fourth pada, I could not fill up. So these four things have been placed here." Ca vai tu hi, "Oh, that's very good. I'll put it to the king."

Prabhupāda: He saw it is very intelligent.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "How, how a scholar I am I! I wrote this is the specimen of other scholars." Khub ador kore sekhane niye giye yei pouche diyeche, omni jhar jhar kore ekebare . . . (sloka) . . . (Then very lovingly when he was delivered there and then started showering . . . (sloka) . . .)

And this sort of poems was produced by him in the court. The king was charmed. This man was perplexed. So Tīrtha Mahārāja is like Balarāma. And he, and he . . .

Prabhupāda: Nobody should be allowed. (laughter)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And when he find man comes around him, then he will be nowhere to the . . . He's, he's, he knows one thing, that Haritaki. You know that story of Haritaki.

Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughs)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: He knows this "chānār-dālna" (a traditional Bengali preparation of cottage cheese curry)

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Chānār-dālna" is everything to him, just as Haritaki to that fabulous Kavirāja. "chānār-dālna" . . . that Rama Prasad that Rama Chaudhury and there is so many, he is like . . . (indistinct) . . . that Tushār Kānti . . . and he has got one thing, I . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes. Tushar Kanti very much appreciates.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Whom?

Prabhupāda: No, this "chānār-dālna". (laughs) Because that Gaura Mahārāja, you know?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yes, I know.

Prabhupāda: He told me that he was given . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: He wanted election of Vāsudeva Prabhu, Gaura Mahārāja, and that Bhagavānānanda, but Paraśu asrama. But anyhow, he escaped and he came to Tīrtha Mahārāja, his former relative, old Tīrtha Mahārāja.

Prabhupāda: Old Tīrtha Mahārāja.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Former relative. Then Tīrtha Mahārāja told him that, "What about my guru?" "Well, if your guru on one side, another bullock in another side, and if you can plow and produce some crops, and that can be offered to Mahāprabhu, then your guru may have a path of relish." (laughs) See what Tīrtha Mahārāja says: "This is blasphemy."

Prabhupāda: (laughs)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "No, it is true, but this is very cruel. But this is truth."

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: If he's presently the pakka maya-vadi. (Solid impersonalist.) If he's used passively by a great man, then only in that way he can come this side. Not in front walking. Not by front walking. Only by back drawing he can be taken to this side only. It is quite true. That . . . so Cinmayānanda, now Gaura Mahārāja, he . . .

Prabhupāda: Cinmayānanda, Gaura Mahārāja.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . knows me better, and he, he's a paid goswami of those Patrikā persons.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And they are exploiting him; he's exploiting them.

Prabhupāda: This time, in their meeting, they made me chief guest. But I did not attend.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: That's a lower position.

Prabhupāda: In, in a big meeting, they made me chief guest.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: He wants to show, show that, "I have got . . ."

Prabhupāda: That, that . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: ". . . such big man."

Prabhupāda: Oṁkāranātha . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Was president, was made president.

Prabhupāda: And that, uh . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And yourself, Mādhava Mahārāja and Tīrtha Mahārāja invited to be Vice-President. I heard.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Mādhava Mahārāja went there.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Went there.

Prabhupāda: Yes. He lectured. And I did not go.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And Tīrtha Mahārāja did not go.

Prabhupāda: I do not know. Tīrtha Mahārāja did not go.

Bhavānanda: They were made vice-presidents, but Śrīla Prabhupāda was asked to be chief speaker.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Once when I was in a hut here, then Ānandamayī came to Navadvīpa, and one devotee, Mano-rañjana, he wanted to bring Ānandamayī here. I refused, that "I won't be able to pay any respect to her. She's pakka maya-vadi." (solid impersonalist.") I saw that she, with a cow in her back and with the flute . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes, there is a picture like that.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Picture. So it is abhorrent. I refused, that "I won't, however she may be . . ." She was not so great as she is now . . . famous, but I refused. What I need for him . . . for her? Hare Kṛṣṇa. Tīrtha Mahārāja is of this type, this type. I had one Sanskrit verse devoted to Prabhupāda:

Gaurī-gaṅga-taṭe nava-braja navadvīpe tu māyāpure

śrī caitanyam atha prakāśa-kamaru jīvaika-kalanaudhi

śrī-siddhānta-sarasvatīti milito gaurī gurvanyaiḥ

bhartur bhamriba prabhāta gagane rūpānuga-pūjitau

(Composed by Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Siddhanthi (indistinct) . . . he told the composer of this poem, "He has got not a place in the matha of Prabhupāda. Who can praise him in such a poem, he cannot, he have no place . . ."

Prabhupāda: Place.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: ". . . of accommodation in his own, in the matha of Prabhupāda." Balo etar engreji? (How to say it in English?) Adṛṣṭi-parihāsa. What will be the English expression? Adṛṣṭi-parihāsa. Kasno . . .

Prabhupāda: Desire.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: I have got another sloka. That is, that will be very effective to have a clear conception of Prabhupāda's mission:

nikhilo bhuvana-mayacchino vicchino karteji

vivhala bahuta mukti mohan tadatri

siti-liti-vidhi rādhā rādhā-rādhe sādhane

vilasatu dviji taṁ bhaktisiddhānta vāṇī

(Composed by Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Prabhupāda: Eta apnar composition? (This is your composition?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: A clear picture of Prabhupāda's mission. "Visi siti mayachinna vichinna kartri. And vibudha bahula vimudhe means scholars. Vibudha bahula vigdha mukti moha dartri . . ."

Prabhupāda: The moha.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eh?

Prabhupāda: That, mukti tato ekta moho . . . (That liberation is an attachment . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Moha. Ar ta shesh kore diye giyeche. Mukti mohan antadatri tar pare. Ar ki? siti-liti-vidhi, rādhā rādhā-rādhe sādhane. Anurager dvara 'rādhe sādhane', eiti aradhya. Ei tar vani. Bisay bastu. (That has been put to an end. Mukti mohan antadatri is next. What more? Siti-liti-vidhi, rādhā rādhā-rādhe sādhane. By the anuraga, "rādhā rādhā-rādhe sādhane", it is worshipful. This is their vani. Goods and materials.)

Prabhupāda: Radhesya dhani.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dhani. Rajdhani jeman . . . (As capital . . .)

Prabhupāda: Oh. Accha. (Oh. yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Temni Radhesya dhani. Radhanather . . . (indistinct) . . . (Similarly Radhesya dhani. The Radhanath's . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Kingdom. Kingdom of Krsna.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Kingdom of Radhanath. Etai anurager dvaratei aradhya ebong vidhike sithil kore diye. (This is worshiping by affection and by breaking the rules.) siti-liti-vidhi rādhā rādhā-rādhe sādhane, vilasatu dviji taṁ bhaktisiddhānta vāṇī.

Prabhupāda: Bombey te . . . apnio chilen, amio chilam, bollen . . . Maharaj . . . Prabhupada bollen ye, "Bakti . . . Bhakti-rakshak Sridhar Maharaj, parabarti kale, amader bhakti raksha korben." (In Bombay . . . when you and I were there, he said . . . Mahārāja . . . Prabhupada said: "Bhakti . . . Bhakti-rakṣak Śrīdhara Mahārāja, in the future will be the protector of our bhakti.")

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bolechilen? (He said that?)

Prabhupāda: Bolechilen. (He said that.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Tini amar oi Bhaktivinod Thakurer samyandhye oiye padya ta likhechilam, tate khub santusta hoyechilen. Ar ekta patra pathiye Darjeelinge dekhalo. (He appreciated the verses I wrote in glorification of Bhaktivinoda Ṭhakura. I had shown that writing to him in) Darjeeling:

lokanam hita-kamyaya bhagavato bhakti-pracaras tvaya

granthanam racanaih satam abhimatair nana vidhair darsitah

acaryaih krta-purvam eva kila tad ramanujadyair budhaih

premambho-nidhi-vigrahasya bhavato mahatmya-sima na tat

(Srimad Bhaktivinoda-viraha-dasakam 6 - Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Eitite khub khushi hoye gelo . . . happy style ar thought ta khub . . . (He was very happy to read this . . . happy style and the thought was very . . .)

Prabhupāda: Apnar lekha . . . (indistinct) . . . (Your writing is . . .(indistinct) . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Sadharan bhabe, granthadi ebong pracar, rakamari pracarer dvara tumi bhakti procar koribe, jagater upakar korbar jonye, kintu Acarya Pandita, Acarya Ramanuj tini eta kore giyechen, kintu tomar mahatya oikhanei sima baddha noy . . . " (He said: "If you preach the path of devotional service through your writing . . . preaching for the benefit of the world. Even though Ācārya Paṇdita, Ācārya Rāmānuja have done this previously, however your ability is not limited by any constraints.")

yad dhamnah khalu dhama caiva nigame brahmeti samjnayate

yasyamsasya kalaiva duhkha-nikarair yogesvarair mrgyate

vaikunthe paramukta-bhrnga-carano narayano yah svayam

tasyamsi bhagavan svayam rasa-vapuh krsno bhavan tat-pradah

(Srimad Bhaktivinoda-viraha-dasakam 7 - Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Eta holo, 'yad dhamnah khalu dhama caiva nigame brahmeti samjnayate'. 'Nigame' mane vede, yar . . . yar . . . (This is, "yad dhamnah khalu dhama caiva nigame brahmeti samjnayate". "Nigame" means in the Vedas, whose . . . whose . . .)

Prabhupāda: Brahma . . . Brahman . . . (Means Brahma . . . Brahman . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, yar abar sei . . . tejamay . . . (Yes, who's effulgence . . .)

Prabhupāda: Tejasya prabha . . . (Transcendental bodily effulgence . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . Brahman bola hoyeche . . . yad dhamnah khalu dhama . . ." Dhama mane tej. Yar dhamer . . . alo, take . . . vedete Brahman bola hoyeche . . . 'yad dhamnah khalu dhama . . . nigame brahmeti samjnayate' ar 'yasyamsasya kalaiva duhkha-nikarair yogesvarair mrgyate', ar baro baro yogi yar angser, angser, angsa paramatmake ati kasta sadhya upayete anusandhan korche, 'mrgyate' mane anusandhan korche, ar 'vaikunthe paramukta-bhrnga-carano . . .' bastabik, parama yara, tara Vaikunthe yar pad padme bhrnger moton . . . nam korchen . . . (Has been referred to as Brahman . . . "yad dhamnah khalu dhama . . ." Dhama means effulgence. Who's effulgence . . . light, which . . . has been mentioned as Brahman in the Vedas . . . "Yad dhamnah khalu dhama . . . nigame brahmeti samjnayate" and "yasyamsasya kalaiva duhkha-nikarair yogesvarair mrgyate", and all the greatest yogis who are performing great austerities to realize that part of the part of the Supreme Lord as the Supersoul, "mrgyate" means trying to realize, and "vaikunthe paramukta-bhrnga-carano . . ." and in reality, those who are serving the lotus feet of the Lord in Vaikuṅṭha like "bhrnga" . . . chanting name.)

Prabhupāda: Seva korchen. (Serving the Lord.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . seva korchen, to tar ye angse tattva sayang rasa vapuh bhagavan tar seva tumi dite esecho . . . tumi yeita acho tumi nao . . . (serving the Lord, so that person who is the part of the Rasa vapuh Bhagavan, you have come to give his service to this world . . . you are not that, what you are now.)

Prabhupāda: Ramanuj to Vaikuntha. (Rāmānujā is in Vaikuṅṭha.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, Vaikuntha. 'vaikunthe paramukta-bhrnga', taro marjada ache, 'paramukta-bhrnga carano narayano yah svayam' . . . (Yes, Vaikuṅṭha. "vaikunthe paramukta-bhrnga-carano narayano yah svayam" That also has great respect . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hya, niscayi. (Yes, of course.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . "tasyamsi bhagavan svayam rasa-vapuh krsno bhavan tat-pradah", first installment. Then ki: (What is after that:)

sarvacintya-maye paratpara-pure-goloka-vrndavane

cil-lila rasa-rangini parivrta sa radhika sri-hareh

vatsalyadirasais ca sevita-tanor madhurya-seva-sukham

nityam yatra muda tanoti hi bhavan tad dhama-seva-pradah

(Srimad Bhaktivinoda-viraha-dasakam 8 - Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Tarpore, ke tumi? Na yekhan theke vatsalya adi rasete sevita Bhagavan Krsnacandra, sekhanete sakhi gan sange Radharani tar madhurya sange bistar korchen. (After that, who are you? The one who is participating in the conjugal pastimes of the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇacandra, who is enjoying Himself along with Rādharāni and Her friends.)

Prabhupāda: Golok Vrndavan. (Goloka Vṛndavana.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "sarvacintya-maye paratpara-pure-goloka-vrndavane, cil-lila rasa-rangini parivrta sa radhika sri-hareh, vatsalyadirasais ca sevita-tanor madhurya-seva-sukham, nityam yatra muda tanoti . . ." bistar korchen anander sahit . . . 'tad dhama-seva-pradah', sei dhamer seva tumi dite parbe? Tarpare holo third brjete gelo: (Transcendental love is being distributed . . . "tad dhama-seva-pradah" can you render that devotional service to that transcendental realm? Then, the third installment:)

sri-gauranumatam svarupa-viditam rupagrajenadrtam

rupadyaih parivesitam raghu-ganair asvaditam sevitam

jivadyair abhiraksitam suka-siva-brahmadi-sammanitam

sri-radha-pada-sevanamrtam aho tad datum iso bhavan

(Srimad Bhaktivinoda-viraha-dasakam 9 - Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Echarao tumi aro baro jinis dite paro . . . ki? Mahaprabhur yeta jnan, yeta bapan kore diye gelen. (Other than this, you can receive something even bigger . . . what is that? The knowledge that Mahāprabhu granted.)

Prabhupāda: Bhagavat prem. (Love of the Supreme Person.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bhagavat prem Radha darsi. (The Love of the Supreme Person through Rādhārani's vision.)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, tini grant dile tobe holo . . . (indistinct) . . . yar marma Svarupa Damodar janlen, Lalita . . . "sri-gauranumatam svarupa-viditam" ar "rupagrajenadrtam" Sanatan yetake khub bahunam korechen . . . aroto "rupadyaih parivesitam" Rupa Gosvami ye seva rasta paribeshan korlen . . . (indistinct) . . . Raghunatha Das . . . Rupa Raghunatha, Raghunatha seiye ese asvadan korlen ebong samrddha korlen. Ebong Jivadi acarya gan setake surakshita kore gelen. Abhiraksitam . . . jivadyair abhiraksitam ar "suka-siva-brahmadi-sammanitam" Suka, Siva, Brahma era dur theke setake maryada dan korche. Emon ye, "sri-radha-pada-sevanamrtam aho tad datum iso bhavan". Ascarya tumi sei ye . . . (indistinct) . . . ei ek minute cole gelo. (Only if She grants, it is possible . . . (indistinct) . . . the purport of this is understood by Svarūpa Dāmodara who is Lalita . . . "Sri-gauranumatam svarupa-viditam" and "rupagrajenadrtam" that Sanātana honoured . . . and "rupadyaih parivesitam" that was established by Rūpa Gosvāmi . . . (indistinct) . . . Raghunatha Das . . . Rūpa Raghunātha . . . Raghunatha who accepted and successfully spread the mission. Jīva and his associates acaryas secured this knowledge. "Abhiraksitam . . . jivadyair abhiraksitam" and "suka-siva-brahmadi-sammanitam" Suka, Śiva, Brahma are respecting from a distance. So much so that, "sri-radha-pada-sevanamrtam aho tad datum iso bhavan" This is astounding . . . (indistinct) . . . it has disappeared in a minute.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Tarpore: (After that:)

kvaham manda-matis tv ativa-patitah kva tvam jagat-pavanah

bho svamin krpayaparadha-nichayo nunam tvaya ksamyatam

yache 'ham karuna-nidhe! varam imam padabja-mule bhavat-

sarvvasvavadhi-radhika-dayita-dasanam gane ganyatam

(Srimad Bhaktivinoda-viraha-dasakam 10 - Śrīdhara Mahārāja)

Sesh stanza ta hocche. "kvaham manda-matis" . . . ami kothay pore achi ekta patit . . . "ativa-patitah kva tvam jagat-pavanah, bho svamin, krpayaparadha" . . . ami ei sob korte giye ya kichu truti kore fellam . . . "aparadha-nichayo" marjana koribe, amar asha . . . "yache 'ham karuna-nidhe!" ar sei sange, sange he karuna nidhi ami ekti bar cacchi . . . (This is the last stanza. "Kvaham manda-matis" . . . I've fallen in some place . . . "ativa-patitah kva tvam jagat-pavanah, bho svamin" . . . I have made mistakes . . . "Aparadha-nichayo" other than your mercy, I have no hope . . . "Yache 'ham karuna-nidhe!" I'm begging for your benediction . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "varam imam padabja-mule bhavat-", ki bar? (Which benediction?) "sarvvasvavadhi-radhika-dayita-dasanam gane ganyatam" Tomar oti pryatama ye Radha . . . (indistinct) . . . Prabhupado thaklen sei ganete amake ganana karbar byabasta karo . . . (your most beloved Rādhā . . . (indistinct) . . . please include me in that group . . . where you, Prabhupāda are . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Mane guru atikram kore noy . . . tomar ashirvad cacchi, ami yena grandfather is on your head . . . back. (laughs) Ta sei tumi krpa kore . . . tomar oti pryajan sei tar . . . Shri Varshabhanavi-devi-dayita Dasa tar ganete amake ganana korbar byabsta ta kore diyo. Ei katha. Prabhupad eta dekhe khub santusta hoyechilo. (Not by surpassing the spiritual master . . . I'm asking for your blessings . . . the grandfather is on your head . . . back. (laughs) So please give me your mercy as I can be counted in the group of Shri Varshabhanavi-devi-dayita Dasa, your much loved one. These are the verses. Prabhupāda was very satisfied after reading.)

Prabhupāda: Etato apnar publish hoyeche? (This work of yours has been published?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya . . . (indistinct) . . . oi apnar sei iyete . . . Prafula Jivan te takhan publish hoyeche. (Yes . . . (indistinct) . . . it has been published at Prafula Jivan.)

Prabhupāda: Hya. (Yes.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . ah, yes. Do it gradually. And the more beautiful, they will do it in their time.

Prabhupāda: Eh? This is very beautiful species.

Śrutakīrti: Yes, big birds and . . .

Prabhupāda: Eh?

Jayapatāka: Engineer was saying that if we have a big tree around the building, then it blocks the view of the building. (laughter) We will make such beautiful building and no one will see it through the trees . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What does he say?

Prabhupāda: If we cover with these gardens big, big trees, then the beautiful building will be covered. So therefore he wants to keep it barren. (laughter)

Devotee: That is how the engineer always sees his engineering.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: You see, Vṛndāvanam, Gauravanam. The vegetable class is not eliminated. They have got their part to play, and that is not to be neglected. At night . . . at night . . .

Prabhupāda: I think, Mahārāja, after your coming here, all these trees have grown.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Only these trees . . .

Prabhupāda: Only the mango tree I remember . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Others have grown. At night in the forest pastimes, holding a principal part of the kṛṣṇa-līlā. And when pasturing the cows, then also, forest is necessary. So it will arouse in your mind the memory of Vṛndāvana and the Gauravana. They have got their part to play. And what Uddhava says?

āsām aho caraṇa-reṇu-juṣām ahaṁ syāṁ

vṛndāvane kim api gulma-latauṣadhīnām

yā dustyajaṁ sva-janam ārya-pathaṁ ca hitvā

bhejur mukunda-padavīṁ śrutibhir vimṛgyām

(Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 10.47.61)

"I aspire after the birth of a shrub or creeper or a grass in this land because I may have chance of being . . . having been tread by Your, those divine damsels. Then their feet dust will be on me." So that is a necessary and important part, this vegetable kingdom . . .

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . of Vṛndāvana and Gauravana. They will arouse in your mind the first real memory of Kṛṣṇa and His pastimes.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And help you, help you. Green. Sabuj . . . Sabuj biplav korchena! (They are creating a green revolution.)

Prabhupāda: Sabuj biplaber party ache naki? ("Green revolution," is there a political party by that name?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: But real sabuj (green) is there in Vṛndāvana, the source of all sabuj. This sabuja will die, will be dried out.

Prabhupāda: Wither away.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The source of real sabuj, kisor sabuj, (greens, youthful greens,) constant sabuj, constant greenness, is only there, kisor (youthful). Nitya kaisore sthiti. Eh?

Prabhupāda: (aside) Tui engreji bujhis kichu? (Do you understand English?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Huh?

Prabhupāda: Eke jijnes karchi, engreji bujhis kichu? (I am asking him, do you understand English?)

Young devotee: Kichu na. (Nothing.)

Prabhupāda: Maharajer shisya hote geleto, abar onek . . . (indistinct) . . . (If you aspire to be Mahārāja's disciple, you will have to . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (chants sloka)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . ki? . . . (sloka) . . . (how does that translate?) Everyone is a kiśora. Kiśora means youth. Kisorke 'youth' chara r ki bola yabe? (How else can "kiśora" be translated other than youth?)

Prabhupāda: Youth er age. (It is the stage before youth.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hya, youth er ageta . . . (Yes, before youth . . .)

Prabhupāda: Pre-youth.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Pre-youth. Kiśora.

Prabhupāda: Pre-youthtime, kiśora.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Pre-youthtime. And there it stands.

Prabhupāda: Maharaj, ei ghartate ki thake? (Mahārāja, what is in this room?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Oi, kichu granthadi thake. (Some spiritual books are kept here.)

Prabhupāda: Ah . . . grathadi. (Ah . . . spiritual books.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Mainly holo grantha. Tarpore samay, asamay hoyto yakhan cor, dakat edik odik . . . bhoy . . . . (indistinct) . . . takata rakha hoy. (Mainly spiritual books. However, from time to time due to fear of robbers and dacoits . . . (indistinct) . . . keep our money.)

Prabhupāda: Curi, dakati hoyeche naki? (Have there been any robberies or dacoity?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hoyni, ei ase paser mandir-tandire hoy . . . (Hasn't happened but it does here and there in some temples . . .)

Prabhupāda: Amra duto banduk niyechi. Okhane khub curi, dakati korche, sejonye amra duto banduk niyechi. (We have bought two guns. There is a lot of robbery and dacoity happening there, that's why we have got two guns.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ah! Niyecho besh bhalo. Ektu bhoy dekhano . . . (indistinct) . . . (Ah! Good you have got. Sometimes you need to scare them . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Young Devotee: Kal dekhlam, fola ache. (I have seen, with bayonet.)

Prabhupāda: Dekhecho? (You have seen?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bayonet, with bayonet . . .

Prabhupāda: Na, bayonet na. (There are no bayonets.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Fola ache bolche. (He's saying there are bayonets.)

Prabhupāda: Fola ache? (There is bayonet?) (aside) We have got with bayonets also with our gun?

Devotee: Yes.

Prabhupāda: Oh!

Devotee: They are separate.

Prabhupāda: Separate? Yes bayonet is separate.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: To scare away . . .

Prabhupāda: Police officera sob ase, ase, oneke ase sob, District Magistrate, ei, ta sob ase. (The police officers visit us, they come. Many of them come, like the District Magistrate and all.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Asbe, asbei dekhte. Eta ki ekta gaddalika? (They will come, they will come to see. This area has become a rut?) Now, on the real basis of this downpour of the . . . of the civilized people here because of Mahāprabhu . . . (indistinct) . . . Pratham dike ar ekti hippy, dvitiya mukhe PL na ki ache . . . spy. Tarpor ei duto kete gele, takhan asbe really . . . (indistinct) (First of all the hippy, then the PL, what is called . . . spy. Once these can be got rid of, then the real . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ekhon tai hocche. (That's what is happening now.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ekhon khanikta stage ta asche. Kenona dharanai korte parchena ye, keno (We are slowly coming to that stage. They are not being able to fathom why,) they will come here.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eta ostentatious chara, er modhye real ki thakte pare? Takhan, eirai help korbe ye, constant reality. Yeman after crossing bhukti and mukti, then proper bhakti. (Other than the ostentatious, what is real in this? Then, they will help to understand constant reality. Given after crossing material enjoyment and liberation, then proper devotion.) So in their life, when they're trying that all material and political tendencies has been pushed down of some aspiration of high divine nectar, then in clans they will come and bow down.

Prabhupāda: Eder sacrifice er dam amader ceye beshi. (The value of their sacrifice is greater than ours.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas, tat tad evetaro janaḥ, sa yat pramāṇaṁ' . . . mostly people hankers after wealth and . . .

Prabhupāda: Material . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yes . . . material

Prabhupāda: Money and woman.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Money and power. Power and money. At present, mastery over prakṛiti . . . that is nature. That is the general quest of educated society. They want to be masters of these material forces. But they have neglected neutron from the beginning . . . that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Down this fact but making progress very joyfully. But, in no time they will have to feel that the reaction has begun. Hmm?

āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ

patanty adho 'nādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ

(SB 10.2.32)

ā-brahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ

punar āvartino 'rjuna

mām upetya tu kaunteya

punar janma na vidyate

(BG 8.16)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "yā yathā bhuvi vartante . . ." (Skanda Purāṇa) Nectar and nectar. Assurance and full of nectar . . . (indistinct) . . . bolechilo, oi yagata majhe ami boli "sarva-dharmān parityajya . . ." :(BG 18.66), ei sloke bhagavan, tini sonar thalake sob seshe . . . (indistinct) . . . otato rajniti niye matlo, tathapi ei kathata se . . . (Said this and I repeat it sometimes, that in the verse "sarva-dharmān parityajya . . ." :(BG 18.66), the Supreme Lord Himself has given this on a gold platter in the end . . . (indistinct) . . . despite being caught in politics, yet he was . . .)

Prabhupāda: Pandit chilo . . . (He was a learned scholar . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Pandit lok chiloto, bujhe phele chilo ye, ei sob sastrke atikram kore ye bhagavan eiti khub asvas purna. Yakhan ekbare worried, holo fatigued, tarpor exhausted hoye yakhan ese sarana gata holo . . . (He was a learned scholar, and he understood that the Supreme Lord is giving great assurance. When he was very worried, when he was fatigued, and exhausted and he surrendered to the Supreme Lord . . .)

Prabhupāda: 'Mokṣayiṣyāmi' . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "You are my son, Oh you have come to Me. No matter, nothing. You are welcome."

Prabhupāda: All accounts adjusted. Come on!

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yes, all accounts adjusted . . . (indistinct) . . . full of assurance.

dīkṣā-kāle bhakta kare ātma-samarpaṇa

sei-kāle kṛṣṇa tāre kare ātma-sama

(CC Antya 4.192)

sei deha kare tāra cid-ānanda-maya

aprākṛta-dehe tāṅra caraṇa bhajaya

(CC Antya 4.192)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Whenever, that divine function of converging a man of mundane aspiration begins, directed towards the divinity, with that . . . by that operation, the transformation begins. Hmm?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Transformation begins from the very day . . . time of operation that, "I have accepted." As a representative of the Supreme, "I accept you." There it begins. And the gradual transformation going on. "Sei deha kare tāra cid-ānanda-maya" (CC Antya 4.192). The conception, The abhiman (The false ego.) The ego that consisted of many mundane thoughts and ideas, that changes. And another ego emerged, emerged from that sort of raw ego. A fine ego emerges, and gradually he sees himself that, "Who am I? That, "I am a serving unit." A serving unit not in Vaikunṭha but in Goloka. (sloka)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sukadeva Gosvami bolchen sei muni gane . . . ye, "tomader sei old ye samsta bicar-ticar ache . . . (indistinct) . . . (Sukadeva Gosvami is speaking to the sages . . . that, "All the old thoughts that you have . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Bidhi nisedh . . . (Restrictions . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . doya kore sei sob posakgulo ektu, cul, darigulo charo ektu." (laughter) Tomader cul, dari gulo ektu kato, kamao. Sei purono mal to niye ascho. Sei . . . iyer . . bole ki . . . 'Acala Ayatan' Rabi Thakurer bhasay, bourgua holo giye eder bhasay. Ta tomader ei bourgua guli ektu paribartan karo dekhi, bacca Sukadever katha ektu sono. (. . . kindly give up that dress, give up your hair and beard." (laughter) Discard your hair and beard, shave those. You are bringing all kinds of old things. In his language in 'Acala Ayatan' of Rabi Thakura . . . and bourgeois in their language. Change your bourgeois style, and listen to child Sukadeva.)

Prabhupāda: Dario nai, cul o nai . . . (He has no beard and hair . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dario nei, cul o nei, kaporo nei, ta masai tumi dari diye ki korbe? Kapor paryanta nei, tomra kato . . . tomrato kapor paralok. What a contrast-ness royeche. Bhoger ekta relativity te royecho . . . tobei to betara kapor porecho . . . (No beard, no hair. He has no clothes, so what to speak of hair and beard. He is not even wearing any clothes, and all of you are clothed human beings. What a contrast there is. There is a certain relativity . . . the rascals wear clothes for gratification . . .)

Prabhupāda: Vyāsadeva bolechilo sei meyera . . . take dekhe kapor jaralo . . . (Vyāsadeva was told by the girls . . . all of them were draped in clothing . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (laughs) ". . . strī-pum-bhidā na tu sutasya vivikta-dṛṣṭeḥ . . . devyo hriyā paridadhur na sutasya citram" (Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.4.5)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Amar ekti meye, oi tar ekta picture ekeche . . . oi yinishtar . . . oiye Vyasadevke dekhe tara kapor poreche, ar Sukadevke . . . (One of my girls, she painted a picture about that . . . when the girls put clothes on after seeing Vyasadeva, and Sukadeva . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . kintu or ektu notes deoa darkar . . . (. . . but notes need to be added to that . . .)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Or ekti note thaka darkar . . . (A note must be added to the painting . . .)

Prabhupāda: Note to deoa ache. (Note is there.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Note dile . . . se kapor ache. Kaporto amader nei Brahmaloker oikhane, kintu tarpore yei cid akashe yacche . . . (In the context of the clothing. Sometimes there is no clothing Brahmaloka, but soon as they are going to the transcendental sky . . .)

Prabhupāda: . . . sekhane ekta dress ache . . . (. . . there is a dress there . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . sekhankar abar ekta dress construction. Seta alada, kintu kapor tapor abar asche, sobi asche. (. . . there, there is construction. That is different. Clothing and everything is there.)

Prabhupāda: Sobi ache . . . sobi . . . (indistinct) (There, there is everything . . . everything is . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Kintu seta . . . (indistinct) (But that . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ei yiniser kichui noy seta . . . (Those are not like this material clothes . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Eta holo . . . etake deny koreche. (This is . . . this has to be denied.)

Prabhupāda: Eta ekta imitation. (This is imitation.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ekhankar, eigulo denial. (This is denial.) It is complete denial of this mundane civilisation is Sukadeva who does not consider the necessity of a cloth. Ekta kapar darkar mone korena, ta tomader ei aisarya ki, pecchap kore dicche . . . ekhan attainment. (He does not even feel the need for any clothing, so all your material grandeur, He urinates on . . . this attainment.) No attainment can charm Him because He does not want a cloth even to wrap around. So, a complete discarding of this civilisation, then begins the unalloyed land . . . (indistinct)

pariniṣṭhito 'pi nairguṇya

uttama-śloka-līlayā

gṛhīta-cetā rājarṣe

ākhyānaṁ yad adhītavān

(SB 2.1.9)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Brahma-saṁhitam . . . "idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma, purāṇaṁ brahma-sammitam" (SB 1.3.40). Brahma-saṁhita . . .

Prabhupāda: . . . saṁhitam.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Brahma means the . . . (indistinct) . . . that has been measured with . . . (indistinct) . . . that has been completely weighed, measured by Brahma. Brahma eto percent, Brahama. Ei Brahmalok eto percent in Narayanlok eto percent, Dvaraka eto percent, Ramcandra eto percent . . . (This percentage of Brahma. This Brahma is this percent in Narayana, this percent in Dvaraka, this much percent in Ramacandra, this percent . . .) full . . .

Prabhupāda: Cent percent.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Cent percent is Kṛṣṇa in Vṛndāvana. In this way it has been measured.

Prabhupāda: Cent percent. Paraṁ Brahma . . . "Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma, pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān" :(BG 10.12)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Spoken by Lord Brahma. "Idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma, purāṇaṁ brahma-sammitam" In another interpretation . . .

Prabhupāda: Accepted by the Vedas.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Veda . . . "Brahma-saṁhitam". Equally, equally stands with the place of Veda. "Saṁhitam". Spoken by Lord Brahma. "idaṁ bhāgavataṁ nāma, purāṇaṁ brahma-sammitam" (recites another sloka) Maha-pauriṣi.

Prabhupāda: Maha-pauriṣi.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Maha-pauriṣiko. "Not an ordinary type of student you are. I understand that you, you are a real enquirer. Enquirer of truth, and I shall fill up your thrust."

Prabhupāda: Bright student. Bright student.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Bright.

Prabhupāda: Maha-pauruṣa.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Maha-pauriṣiko . . . (indistinct) . . . Pauriṣiko means . . . (indistinct) . . . who is aspiring, not running after fleeting desire but who is master of his own . . .

Prabhupāda: Interest.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . own home, and has the patient, has the patient position to enquire what is really beneficial to him.

Prabhupāda: "Svārtha-gatiṁ" (explained by Srila Prabhupada during his lecture of Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 6.1.26 on 11th July 1975 in Chicago)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "Svārtha-gatiṁ". " . . . svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ, durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ" (SB 7.5.32).

Prabhupāda: "na te viduḥ"

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: "You are the real searcher of truth. You are a real research student. And I shall fill up your . . ."

Prabhupāda: Aspirations.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Aspirations. (sloka). And all the Rsis who were there, they were dumb, nothing to speak or remark. With folded palm, they were patiently hearing the boy saint . . . a boy of sixteen, He's bringing such thought . . .

Prabhupāda: (aside to devotees) If you manufacture one palanquin . . . palanquin. You know palanquin? Then sometimes you can carry Śrīdhara Mahārāja there. (laughter) Yes. It will be great service and benefit for you. Because he's, he's very now . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Feeble.

Prabhupāda: Feeble now. So palanquin is all right. He can be carried in palanquin.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Hare Kṛṣṇa.

Prabhupāda: Na amader deshete, palanquin khub common jinish . . . (In our country, palanquin was commonly used . . .)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: It will be a ludicrous exhibit, sitting demonstration . . .

Prabhupāda: No, why? All aristocratic kings, they were carried by palanquin.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Yes, it was previously.

Prabhupāda: And . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Now the motorcar has taken place, and more advanced . . .

Prabhupāda: Motor, motorcar, there is jerking.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . helicopter.

Prabhupāda: Now, now we . . . this . . . recently, before coming here, one of my student, Śyāmasundara, he took me from the airport on helicopter to my temple, and he spent over one thousand pounds for that rascal thing. (laughter) Unnecessarily. "Why you have spent unnecessarily?" No.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What this mundane man?

Devotee: Ektu jal khaben, Maharaj? (Would you like some water, Mahārāja?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Ke tumi? . . . (indistinct Bengali) (Who you?) . . .

Prabhupāda: Hya. Maharaj, apni? (Yes. Mahārāja, how about you?)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . Amito ekbar sabu kheyechi. Tarpore abar hoyto . . . (indistinct) (I have eaten tapioca. Later, I will eat a little . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Apnar to khaoay baron. Amaro seiram hoye asche . . . (I know, your eating is restricted. My eating too is becoming like that . . .) (laughter)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . we have to feed this stomach . . . mone ache amar . . . (indistinct) . . . (I remember . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ota ekta khaoar modhyei na. Kintu ami kichu khelam eta mone kora. (That is not a part of eating. But I ate something, I just feel like this.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Accha. Eta sabhabik kichu noy, eta haoa pora khaicheye . . . (indistinct) . . . (All right. This is not a ordinary thing, they feed me air . . . (indistinct) . . .) (laughter). Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa (recites some verses) . . .

Prabhupāda: Accha, eder sob . . . (indistinct) . . . (All right, everything for them . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Devotee: Oder ektu pore dicchi? (Can I give them a little later?)

Prabhupāda: Accha, tahole Maharaj, ami . . . (All right, Mahārāja, I will . . .) (end)