771014 - Conversation B - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771014R2-VRNDAVAN - October 14, 1977 - 46:57 Minutes

Bhakti-caru: . . . oderke attack koreche. To or sange katha ami bolchilam, o bolche ye, (they attacked them. So I was talking to him, he said that,) "I kick them on their face." "I literally kick them on their face." Oder . . . oder ya kichu, ora ye samasta point gulo diye oder theory gulo ke proof korte caiche, sei point gulo diye oder . . . bhul gulo dhariye dieche. Ar prasado khub bhalo hoyeche. Du, rakam sabji chilo, tarpore dal-puri, emni sada puri ar rabri. (They pointed out their mistakes with all the points. They wanted to prove their theory. And prasadam was also good. There were two types of sabjis, dal puri, sada puri and rabri.)

Prabhupāda: Ora ache na cole geche? (Are they still there or are they already gone?)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Prabhupāda, hya ora ei khanei thakbe ajke ratre. Kalke amra asa korchi aro besi argue er. (Yes Prabhupāda, they will stay here tonight. And we hope that tomorrow there will be more arguments.)

Prabhupāda: Kaviraj ye osudh tairi korchilo na . . . (The medicine the Kaviraja was preparing . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Ota toiri ache. Apni ota neben ki? Oito osudh ta ebare kintu Pisima o ajke amake bolchilen, makara dhvaja. (Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. That is ready. Will you take that? Pisima was also talking about that medicine, makara dhvaja.)

Prabhupāda: O makara dhvaja neoa yete pare. (Yes makara dhvaja can be taken.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, neoa yete pare. Sei . . . tahole Banomali babu ke aste bolbo ekdin? Niye asbo ami? (Yes, that can be taken. So should I ask Banomali babu to come here one day? Shall I bring him?)

Prabhupāda: Yeye balo ye, sob osudh deoa bandho ache, ekhon apni makar dhvaja tairi kore ta deoa yete pare kina. (Go and say that all medicine taking is now postponed. Now if you can prepare the makar dhvaja and give us.)

Bhakti-caru: Ar eta sudhu ekdin saptahe nite hobe. (And the medicine I will have to take once a week.)

Prabhupāda: Hok. (No problem.)

Bhakti-caru: Saptahe ekdin matra. (Only once a week.)

Prabhupāda: Ta seita ese ekdin dekhe . . . (Ask him to come and see . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Accha! Śrīla Prabhupād.

Prabhupāda: Yodi bhalo hote arambha kare. (If my health is starting to recover.)

Bhakti-caru: Ami kalke sakale yabo onar okhane? (Shall I go to his place tomorrow?)

Prabhupāda: Bolbe ei katha. (You just tell him this.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Apnar kalke ye paikha . . . bahyi hoyni asasti lagche ki? (Yes Śrīla Prabhupāda I will. You did not pass stool yesterday, are you feeling uncomfortable for that?)

Prabhupāda: Kalke! (Yesterday?)

Bhakti-caru: Ajke-kalke. (Yesterday and today.)

Prabhupāda: Na. (No.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha!

Prabhupāda: Asastir madhye, kono taste nai . . . (indistinct) . . . (Discomfort is that I have no taste . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Seto pray mas chay-ek hoye gelo apnar ekebare kono taste nei. (About six months have passed and you have no taste.)

Prabhupāda: Seitai to asol katha. Ar ei faler juice ta diccho, ektu bhalo lage. Ar beshi khele thanda lage. (That is the main problem. And the fruit juice you are giving me, that I can taste a little. But drinking too much makes me feel cold.)

Bhakti-caru: Sei. (That's the thing.)

Prabhupāda: Ar dudh kheleto bhison asubidha. Ekbar . . . (And drinking milk is very problematic for me. Once . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Cough hoye . . . makara dhvaje cough-tough gulo samasta parskar hoye yay. (You get a cough . . . the makara dhavaja cough gets cleared.)

Prabhupāda: Jiv sob sukiye geche. (My tongue is dry.)

Bhakti-caru: Jol debo ektu Śrīla Prabhupāda? (Shall I give you some water Śrīla Prabhupāda?)

Prabhupāda: Jol to khacchi ami. (I am always drinking water.)

Bhakti-caru: Ekhon ektu debo? Phaler ras debo ektu ekhon? Ekhon noyto ektu bedanar ras kore di Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Shall I give some now? Shall I give you a little fruit juice now? Otherwise let me give you pomegranate juice Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Bhakti-caru: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ekhono ektu thak eisob bisay. (Now keep this matter aside.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha! Tahole ekhon phaler ras o debo na? (So I won't give you fruit juice now?)

Prabhupāda: Phaler raso khacchi. (I am drinking fruit juice.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha, icche na hole thak Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Okay, Śrīla Prabhupāda if you don't wish then let it be.)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct Bengali) . . . ektu khani. (a little.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Yes Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . bolte paro. (you can say.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Yes Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Prabhupāda: Ya abasta ekhon . . . (Now this condition . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Hya. (Yes.)

Prabhupāda: Esob yeye bolte paro. Yodi mone kore ye, dekhbo . . . (You can say all of this. If he thinks that, "I have to check" . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Banamali babu! (Ok Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Prabhupāda: Uni yodi mone kore. (If he thinks.)

Bhakti-caru: Amito yedin eschilam, sedinto mone korechilam tarporer din yabo Banomali Babur kache. Tarpore ami sunlam ye apni takhan kono rakom doctor dekhate caichilen na, tai janye ami bhablam ar iye korbo na. Yai hok ami kalke abar yabo giye deke anbo onake. (When I returned that day, I thought of going to Banomali Babu the next day. After that, I heard you didn't want to have a checkup with a doctor. That's why I thought not to go. Anyway I will go again tomorrow and bring him here.)

Prabhupāda: Abasta ta bolbe. (You will tell him the situation.)

Bhakti-caru: Hya, sei. (Yes, that's it.)

Prabhupāda: Yodi uni bhalo mone kore . . . (If he feels good . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Uni to aste can Śrīla Prabhupāda, uni amake bolchilen, apni yakhan bolchilen ye kichu din osudh bandho thak, to uni ar takhani kichu jor karen ni. Uni bolchen ye apnar . . . apni ye rakam . . . ye pari . . . ye star theke sob kichu dekhen, seta to amader bojha sambhab na, to apni yakhan bolchen osudh bandho rakhte koyek din seta amader rakhai ucit. (Śrīla Prabhupāda, he wants to come. He was telling me that, when you said to stop giving you medicine, then he won't force you. He was saying that you see everything from a level that we can't understand. So if you say to stop giving medicine for a few days, then we have to follow it.)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct) . . . to ache. Ekhon ei bhabei thakbe, Mukunda dharan korbe. that is there. (Now it will remain the same, one day Mukunda will accept me.)

Bhakti-caru: Tarpor apnar haat, paa gulo ektu ektu phuleche, se janya ami bhabchi . . . (Your hands and feet are a little swollen, that's why I am thinking . . .)

Prabhupāda: Huh?

Bhakti-caru: Haat, paa gulo ektu phuleche, Banomali babu ye osudh gulo dicchilen tate phola ta to komechilo takhon. (Hands and feet are a little swollen. The medicine Banomali babu gave you for that, the swelling was cured.)

Prabhupāda: Phola to kombe but . . . (Swelling will be cured but . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Makara dhvaja rasayan ta iyer mato . . . ayur vedic tonic mato, sarire bol brddhi kore. Ebong cough, slesva eguli dur kore. (Makara dhvaja chemical is like . . . it's like an ayurveda tonic, it increases the strength of the body and clears the cough.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Bhakti-caru: Hya. (Yes.)

Prabhupāda: Haat, paa to . . . (indistinct) . . . yacche. (Hands and feet are . . . (indistinct) . . . going on.)

Bhakti-caru: Hm.

Prabhupāda: A kakhono kombe, kakhono barbe. (Sometimes it will increase and sometimes it will decrease.)

Bhakti-caru: (to Upendra) Śrīla Prabhupāda wants that Bonamali Prabhu, that kavirāja. Should go and talk to him tomorrow. (break)

Prabhupāda: They showed film?

Upendra: Today, I don't know.

Prabhupāda: Why?

Upendra: Let me look at today's program. Yes. At 8:30, just now, films. And then tomorrow also at 8:30, films and slides. (break) Whatever you say, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is being recorded, and then Tamāla Kṛṣṇa and Hari-śauri, they're all busy copying down, rewriting into their diaries, 'cause your words are so nectarine. And then all the devotees are anxious to hear. So then they copy down from them. It's like a little press, already. Bhakti-caru . . . if you speak in Bengali, then Bhakti-caru also translates.

Prabhupāda: Where is Tamāla?

Upendra: Tamāla is in the next room. Shall I call him?

Prabhupāda: No.

Upendra: He's writing in his diary.

Prabhupāda: And where is . . .? What is his name? Come from Māyāpur.

Upendra: Māyāpur? Jayapatākā? Bhakti-caru?

Prabhupāda: No, no.

Upendra: Oh, Abhirāma?

Prabhupāda: No, no.

Upendra: Oh, Śatadhanya?

Prabhupāda: Bhava?

Upendra: Oh, Bhavānanda. He's with the conference. All the devotees went to the conferences on and off today.

Prabhupāda: The conference still going?

Upendra: Yes. Movies.

Prabhupāda: Oh. Hmm.

Upendra: (to Tamāla) He just wanted to know where you were.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm here, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I've been in this building all day. (temple bell rings 9 times) It's nice weather now. In the evenings it's very comfortable. You can feel. Not too hot or humid. Bhavānanda's a little . . . he has a little stomach pain. That's why he's not here tonight. But he said if there's any urgent thing, we should wake him up or immediately bring him. I mean if there's anything that you want him for at any time, he can immediately be called.

Prabhupāda: No.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Do you like to turn on one side?

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Turn me.

Upendra: Would you like this side for a change, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll be in the next room, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break) Shall I get the report? You want me to get the report of the astrologer?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Here's Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: So the final inauspicious day is not come yet.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Final inauspicious day?

Prabhupāda: Means death.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean? The final inauspicious date?

Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the . . . that means death.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fatal day.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll just look. (pause) What does this mean, "Ketu Mahādaśā"? What is the meaning of that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Ketu, the most inauspicious.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Most inauspicious? Well, it says: "You're presently undergoing the fag end of Ketu Mahādaśā, and it will last until 13th of January, 1978." I mean, it mentions a lot of things here. I don't understand these astrological terms. I could read them to you. If you understand them, I can read them to you. I don't understand them. Just like I just mentioned Ketu Mahādaśā. To me that didn't mean anything, 'cause I didn't understand it.

Bhakti-caru: Pradyumna understands.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is he?

Jayādvaita: In the reception room.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should I read these out loud to you? Should I read these things to you?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should . . . Pradyumna is here also. He's in the next room. Should I call him?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Get Pradyumna. (break) (indistinct background discussion) . . . is that end of the Ketu Mahādaśā, because it says: "Astrologically it is up to eighty-one years, four months, approximate." Eighty-one years, four months would make it about January 1978. So that's the date given, January 13th, 1978. Pradyumna, why don't you come over here and read this, 'cause I can't understand all these things. Just read loud and clear to Prabhupāda. Start here.

Pradyumna: "Śrīla Prabhupādajī is at present undergoing the fag end of Ketu Mahādaśā, and it will last till 13th January, 1978. Ketu is in the eighth house with Sun, lord of eighth house, and Guru, Bṛhaspati, lord of the twelfth and third houses. Mercury and Ketu started from 16/1 1977. Budha . . . budha ṣaṣṭheśa also." Ṣaṣṭheśa means lord of house of disease. That is not good. Budha is Mercury. Mercury is ṣaṣṭheśa also. Disease. That means disease, Budha. "Śani has gone to eighth house, house of death, from 7th September, 1977."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's Prabhupāda's appearance day.

Pradyumna: "Śani is lagneśa in the eighth house and in transit over Jupiter from 24th September, exact, and Ketu from 16th September, exact."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean? Unless you know astrology . . .

Pradyumna: That is not good, with this Śani and Ketu. "A negative effect continues throughout October 1977 to November 1977, and from lst of December, 1977, Saturn becomes almost stationary." This is not a good time. "And becomes more malefic." That means it goes vakribhāva, it goes retrograde, and that is not good. "In January 1978 . . ." That is dangerous time. "In January 1978 to April 1978, it again traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on Jupiter." In other words, Śani, Saturn, is going over, has just gone over some planets, and that was very dangerous. And it will go up. And then it will become very, very slow, and it will stop, and then it will reverse and go over the same planets again. And that again will be very dangerous time. Vakribhāva: it will become retrograde, will go in reverse motion. "It again traverses the same degrees and becomes stagnant on Jupiter and Ketu in the last week of February 1978." Stagnant means becomes stationary. It won't move.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For how long?

Pradyumna: That will only be for a day or two. It becomes very slow again, and then it will start up again. When it becomes slow it does this again. So that is why he's saying that is a bad time. You have this bad time when it went over, now it comes back, and it will start again. "The native has dīrghāyu, above seventy-five years of longevity." Means you have dīrghāyu, long life, above seventy-five years. But he cannot say how long. In the praśna-lagna . . . he has done praśna, questioned how long will Prabhupāda live. He will do praśna, special chart. He will make calculation. "In the praśna-lagna, Moon applies to Jupiter on the first day . . ."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What day is this? Fourth October.

Pradyumna: Moon applies the first day . . . Moon applies to Mars on the second day, Moon applies to Śani . . . Moon applies to Śukra, mixed. He has asked . . . when someone asks a question, that is praśna. So when you ask a question, he will do a special chart and he will calculate to find just the answers to that question. So he has done this for some praśna, and he's saying that in this praśna question he has given the positions. And in the eighth house . . . the Moon and Jupiter and Mars are in the eighth house. He says in parenthesis, "Very bad. The patient may not recover." These planets are in the eighth house, so eighth house is . . . that is not a good house. "Śani, with Venus in kendra." That is also not good. Śani is bad, Venus is good, but Śani . . . Saturn, is bad. "In varṣa-lagna." Then he has made another chart for varṣa-phala, to see what will happen this year, beginning of year, what happened. When the year began, he'll make another varṣa-phala.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When is that? In the beginning of the coming year?

Pradyumna: Well, sometimes they make varṣa-phala for the birthday. Whatever Prabhupāda's birthday is, on that day this year they make one. On the day it was September 7, he'll make a chart exactly at that time, and then he'll see where the planets are. That will tell what will come till next birthday.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So when did he do it for? On the birthday?

Pradyumna: I don't know when he's . . . which day he's done it for. It's probably done it for the birthday this year. He's given some positions, and he said: "Not good." He said: "Mars is with Saturn in conjunction. Very bad. Hospitalization and ill health intensified in the present year. The days not good when the Moon passes in the 22nd, 23rd nakṣatra."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When is that? Then he gives those days.

Pradyumna: "27th, 28th September."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's past.

Pradyumna: "And 24th, 25th October, and 20th, 21st, 22nd November, and 3rd and 4th December. In the praśna-lagna, lord eighth house, enemy of Saturn, Sūrya will apply to Rāhu." This is coming now . . . this is past. Yes, it is past. That is on 28th . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Eighth October.

Pradyumna: Yes. That was 8th.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Praśna-lagna.

Pradyumna: "Sūrya will come, transited Rāhu." This was on 8th October.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Strength of lagna."

Pradyumna: Now he is telling in this praśna-lagna some points. When he did this praśna, lord of lagna was Maṅgala, or Mars. So this lord of lagna is in eighth house. That is not a good sign. First he says: "The strength of lagna means nil." Lagna means health. Lagna means the personality and the health. So strength of lagna, strength of health—nil. "Two, seventh house. Seventh and second house are disease—strong." Health is weak and disease is strong. "Posited in tenth house. The native will not come up . . ."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Astrologically.

Pradyumna: ". . . astrologically."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?

Pradyumna: I don't know what it means, but . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Come up."

Pradyumna: It means astrologically it doesn't seem he is . . . it is not very good prediction. And third point is that the fourth lord is aspecting. "Regarding the medicine—will not give any relief. The native will make a fight for life as Sūrya, Maṅgala are good friends, and Śani and Śukra are śatru, or enemies. There is no benefics in nine, six, eleven and three."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean?

Pradyumna: These are houses. Benefic means a good planet. So ninth house is a good house. There is no . . . six is house of disease, but there's nothing good there, only something bad. Ninth house is prosperity. Nothing good there. Eleventh house is gain. Nothing good there. Third house, not so . . . (break) But it aspects the ninth. Nothing. Nothing to bring the opposite. "Maṅgala indicates effects of . . ."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śakini.

Pradyumna: Śakini? "Pitar Jaladevi combined. Difficulty in recovery." Then another point: "The seventh daśā starts." So this is Venus, Śukra-daśā. "The seventh daśā starts on 13th January, 1978. This is ending of seven years."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: For three years it goes. Says it goes for three years. (indistinct comments)

Pradyumna: Oh, I'm sorry—"We have noticed that the periods are all negative until March or April 1978, and main trouble was due to Śani. We have suggested that the blue sapphire be tried, and he should keep it, putting." He should keep it on. "Hospitalization and travels indicated. The only remedy in this case is to do mahā-mṛtyuṁ jaya japa and havana. Previously also, now also, we have recommend: Śiva is the presiding deity of Śani, and with this the native will be able to overcome disease and life span increases. Astrologically, it is up to eighty-one years, four months, approximately. Japa and havana . . ."

Kīrtanānanda: What is up to eighty-four years?

Pradyumna: Eighty-one years, four months.

Kīrtanānanda: Is what?

Pradyumna: That is astrologically the length of life approximately.

Prabhupāda: So this japa, mahā-mantra-japa, and Bhāgavata-pāṭha, that I am doing.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And what?

Prabhupāda: Śrīmad-Bhāgavata-pāṭha. So either read Bhāgavata or chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. And let me lie down like this, that's all, as it is going on. Huh? Can you make this program?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This program is already going on.

Prabhupāda: And let it go on. That's all.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And you should try to drink and eat whenever you have a little desire.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You shouldn't try to fast until death.

Prabhupāda: No. That is useless. Do you recommend that?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, definitely not. I recommend that somehow or other, you go on lying there, and we'll go on chanting, and we'll pass until March-April '78. Then we'll take you to Māyāpur for the festival, and then we'll do a world tour.

Prabhupāda: That is very nice program. You can read Bhāgavata from the point where I have stopped.

Pradyumna: Daśāma-skandha?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very good.

Prabhupāda: Is it possible? Eh?

Pradyumna: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: And when he is tired, kīrtana, go on. Kīrtanānanda. This is mahājana-mahā-kīrtana. And as far as possible, let me lie down like this. What can be done? Is that conclusion all right?

Upendra: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Who is saying yes?

Upendra: Upendra dāsa. Tamāla, he's asking you.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, but we . . . I also say that as your sister Pisimā is here, whenever you like, she may cook something and you take. And take Yamunā-jāl, little sweet lemon juice. I mean, take things also.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As you are doing. Not fast. No . . . you shouldn't artificially fast or stop eating.

Prabhupāda: No, no. That is suicidal.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right. (chuckles) We don't want suicide.

Prabhupāda: So, when you are beginning?

Pradyumna: Right now.

Prabhupāda: Do it. Śubha-suśīghram. Upendra, you keep honey ready . . .

Upendra: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: . . . whenever I shall require. (end)