771031 - Conversation B - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771031R2-VRNDAVAN - October 31, 1977 - 86:41 Minutes

(Conversation With Sri Narayana and Rama-Krsna Bajaj)

Shri Narayan: But are you feeling better, Swāmījī?

Prabhupāda: Yes. Little, little.

Shri Narayan: But are you feeling better, Swāmījī?

Prabhupāda: Little better.

Prabhupāda: Baithiye, baithiye Bajaj ji. (Please sit, please sit, Bajaj Ji.)

Shri Narayan: Humlog to pichle baar Juhu mein milei thei na, darshan apke kiye thei. (We had met last time in Juhu and had seen you.)

Prabhupāda: Hadi hadi reh gayi hai . . . (indistinct) . . . (Only bones are left . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Shri Narayan: Idhar rakho, achei se. (Keep it here nicely.)

Prabhupāda: Therefore always two attendants, and they are taking care. Otherwise personally I would not . . .

Shri Narayan: Yaha thoda rakh sakte ho. (It can be kept here.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, please sit down. It's all right. It's here for you to sit, so you can . . .

Shri Narayan: I don't want you to talk loudly.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So you sit down.

Shri Narayan: Udar aa jaye kya. (Shall I come that side?)

Prabhupāda: Ha, baithiye na. (Yes, please sit.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You can sit here.

Shri Narayan: Yaha baithe? (Shall I sit here?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.

Shri Narayan: Isliye ki apko zor se na bolna padhena, isliye. (So that you don't have to talk too loudly.)

Prabhupāda: I'm very glad to see you here. Bajaji aya? (Has Bajaj Ji come?)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Ha ji mein hu. Pranam kar raha hu. (Yes I am. I am saluting.)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . ashirwaad. (. . . blessings.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Apse baat hui thi us hisab se hum sab log yaha apke ghar mein aa gaye. Yaha aur bhi kareeb, kareeb kal asi-nabhay-sau admi tak aa jayenge, alag alag jagah se. Sabka kam karne walei karykarta. (Yes, I have come. Please accept my obeisances. As per our discussion last time, all of us have come to your home. Another eighty to hundred people will arrive here from different places. All workers.)

Prabhupāda: Apka kya programe hai? . . . (indistinct) . . . (What's your program . . . (indistinct) . . .?)

Shri Narayan: Kal do baje se samelan rakha hai, Gita samelan. To kal bhi chalega, fir parso bhi chalega. To humne bhi kaha hai kal raat ko ek-ded ghante ka sab pura apka film, kuch kirtan yeh sab sunna chahtei hai. To acha rahega. (We have kept a Gītā assembly here from two o'clock tomorrow. It will happen tomorrow as well as day after tomorrow. Tomorrow night, I have told that for one to one and a half hours. Everyone wants to watch your films, hear the kīrtana. That will be nice.)

Prabhupāda: So, Tamāla Kṛṣṇa?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Who has got these films, you can . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I'm going to arrange it with Akṣayānanda Mahārāja. The temple has everything here.

Prabhupāda: Call Akṣayānanda Mahārāja.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right.

Shri Narayan: Yaha mandir mein hi baithenge, wahi baithenge, sab bhajan sunenge, film bhi dekhenge. Naya Vrindavan film bahut achi thi. (All of us will sit down in the temple, listen to some bhajans and watch the films. Particularly, the film on New Vṛndāvana is very nice.)

Prabhupāda: Just see our activities all over the world.

Shri Narayan: Sare, sabhi pranto ke log aa rahe hai kafi. Pondicherry se bhi ek bhai woh Arbindo society se bhi ayenge Navjat ji. (People are coming from all regions. One gentleman, Navjat Ji, is coming from Pondicherry. He is a member of the Aurobindo society.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Jo mukhya hai unke, president hai. (He is the president of the Aurobindo society.)

Shri Narayan: President hai, Pondicherry ke woh bhi aa rahe hai. (He is the president, from Pondicherry. He is also coming.)

Prabhupāda: Aur Vinoba ji? (Is Vinoba Ji coming?)

Shri Narayan: Vinoba ji to bahar nahi jaate kahi bhi. Lekin aur waise karyakarta log bahut aa rahe hai. Jo Gita ke kaam mein lagei hai. To woh sab dekhana chahtei hai. (No, he does not travel anywhere outside. But many people engaged in the preaching of Gītā are coming. They all want to see.)

Prabhupāda: Khub field hai Gita prachar karne ke liye, khub field hai. (There is a lot of fields to preach the Gītā, lots of fields.)

Shri Narayan: Ha field khub hai. (Yes, lots of fields.)

Prabhupāda: Yeh to apka experience batayga. To humsei actually jo kuch ho saka kiya hai . . . (indistinct) . . . ke kiya jai. (Your experience will tell. whatever was possible for me I did . . . (indistinct) . . . should be done.)

Shri Narayan: Bahut ho sakta hai. (Lots can be done.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Apne to zabardast kaam kiya hai. (You have done a remarkable job.)

Shri Narayan: Aapne to bahut hi chamatkar hi kiya hai, das gyarah warsho mein apne sab bataya tha na hum log ko to bahut hi ashcharya hua ke itne kam samay mein kitna phailaya hai sare duniya mein. (You have really performed a miracle. You had told us everything, we were astonished how this movement has spread all over the world in just ten, eleven years.)

Prabhupāda: Sare duniya mein chal hi raha hai. Africa mein, abhi South Africa. (Yes, all over the world. Right now in Africa, South Africa.)

Prabhupāda: South Africa. Is it not South Africa?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: South Africa mein Indian ko bada hate karte hai. (In South Africa, they hate Indians very much.)

Shri Narayan: Bahut hate karte hai. Waha to jane hi nahi dete hai. (Yes, they hate a lot. It's impossible to even go there.)

Prabhupāda: Gandhi ji to bahut parishram kiya tha, lekin success nahi hua. They are smart, kuch pata hi nahi tha, ab thoda badal dega. (Gandhiji worked very hard, but he could not succeed. They are smart, but were not aware, now they will be changed.)

Shri Narayan: Accha, waha bhi andolan abhi apka shuru hua hai. (Okay, your movement is spreading there also.)

Prabhupāda: Why don't you show them the South African report?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Shri Narayan: We would very much like to see. South Africa mein kaam kya ho raha hai. South Africa mein rajneeti to chalti nahi hai abhi bhi, koi Hindustan ki baat sunei ko taiyar nahi hai. (What work is going on in South Africa. Till now, politics does not have much influence there and nobody is ready to listen to Indians.)

Prabhupāda: Rajniti nahi woh to Indian ko ek jagah aisa jagah rehne diya tha, jo slaughter house hai aur raat bhar woh slaughter karta hai. Woh chilata hai janwar log aisi jagah mein rakha hai. (It is not about politics, they made the Indians stay near a slaughterhouse and entire night they would slaughter the animals. The animals were screaming there and the Indians were kept there . . .)

Shri Narayan: Is jagah mein rakhne ka, rehne ko diya hai? (In such a place they were made to stay?)

Prabhupāda: Aisa woh bhag jaye. (So that they run away.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is a temple that was built there. We have a big farm there as well as two temples. This is one of the temples.

Shri Narayan: Where in South Africa? Natal?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Near Durban.

Shri Narayan: Near Durban. Ācchā. (Okay.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And they had fifteen thousand people attending at the Janmāṣṭamī celebration. Here you see some go-pūjā.

Prabhupāda: Yeh to apko hum bata sakta hu, humara yeh culture ke liye, field bahut hai. Yadi aap log de sakte hai . . . to and duniya ko upkaar hoga aur humara glory badhega yehi hum aap log se prarthana kartei hai. (I can tell you that there are plenty of fields for spreading our culture. If you all can give . . . then it will be a gift to the world and our glory will increase. This is my prayer.)

Shri Narayan: Prarthana. Apne to bahut kiya hai aur yeh kaam khub chalte rehna chahiye, yeh khub badna chahiye yeh. (Prayer. You have done a lot of work and the work should continue, it should increase a lot.)

Prabhupāda: Humara . . . (indistinct) . . . admi without culture they are suffering . . . (indistinct) . . . this is Gita culture. (Our . . . (indistinct) . . . the people without culture they're suffering . . . (indistinct) . . . this is the Gītā culture.)

Shri Narayan: Gītā culture.

Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That is my experience.

Prabhupāda: Aap khud dekh sakte hai. Field bahut hai, khub le sakte hai. Africa mein bhi . . . (indistinct) . . . woh log bhi nachta hai aur European woh kitab khub lete hai, isiliye . . . (indistinct) . . . we have sold this Caitanya-caritāmṛta in the Russian countries. (You can see for yourself that there is plenty of opportunity, lots can take. In Africa . . . (indistinct) . . . they are also dancing and the Europeans, they buy a lot of books, which is why . . . (indistinct) . . . we have sold this Caitanya-caritāmṛta even in Russian countries.)

Shri Narayan: Russian countries.

Bhakti-caru: This is Caitanya-caritāmṛta in seventeen volumes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here are some of our African publications, Śrīla Prabhupāda, published in Swahili.

Prabhupāda: African, Chinese, Japanese.

Shri Narayan: Russian, apke koi comunism ka iska sab koi bhed nahi hai. Yeh badi baat hai na, communist country mein hona hi badi baat hai. (Russian, you make no distinction between communists and others. To have this in a communist country is a big thing.)

Prabhupāda: Ha, communist country to mein . . . (indistinct) . . . (Yes, in communist country . . . (indistinct) . . .) This is really humanitarian.

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Jo sab log aye hai, unko sabko aap jo abhi bata rahe hai woh sab unko kahenge, aur sansatha ke sab kaam ki jankari dusre bhai log denge. (All those people who have come, we will tell them all this that you have told us and all the activities being done by your organization will be told by another person.)

Prabhupāda: Hum to ja nahi sakte. (I cannot go.)

Shri Narayan: Nahi nahi apko to. (No no, you shouldn't.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Aap subah shayad mandir me jaate hai, tab sab log apke darshan shayad kar sakei. (When you go to the temple in the morning, all the guests can have your darśana.)

Shri Narayan: Sade aath baje na? (You go at eight thirty, I suppose?)

Prabhupāda: When I go for parikramā?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Eight-thirty in the morning, generally. Then all of the participants can have darśana of Śrīla Prabhupāda, and we also have the darśana of the Deities at that time.

Shri Narayan: Deity also. Woh theek hoga, jo aap to kal padhar rahe hai suna hai humne, Mayapur. (That will be alright, we've heard that you're proceeding to Māyāpura tomorrow.)

Prabhupāda: Abhi vichar hai. (I am still thinking about it.)

Shri Narayan: Vichar hai. Woh thoda bhi labh hai agar . . . humko bataya ki vaidya ji ka, to zarur acha hoga, lekin . . . (indisctinct) . . . bhi apko thakan nahi hona chahiye. (Thinking. If there is little benefit . . . we've been told the doctor's, so it must be good, but . . . (indistinct) . . . you must not get fatigued.)

Prabhupāda: Yeh log bolta hai, nahi jane ke liye. Ab bhagwan ki icha. (They say I shouldn't go. Now as God desires.)

Shri Narayan: Ha woh to bhagwan ki icha hi se hoga, jo kuch hoga. (Yes, whatever will happen will be by God's desire.)

Prabhupāda: But itna apko hint de raha hu jo Gita culture hai, field bahut hai aur yadi organise kiya jai, so we can influence whole world. (But this I am giving you this hint, for the Gītā culture there is plenty of scope if organized properly, so we can influence the whole world.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda? We got report that the recent printing of the Bhagavad-gītā will be sold out by June. One million five hundred thousand copies will have been sold in about ten months' time. Fifteen lakhs were sold in ten months just in the United States.

Shri Narayan: Woh to apne bataya tha ath das lakh rupya roj ka bikri hai , kitabo ki na. Sab sahitya ki, woh apne humko bataya tha Bombay mein. (You had said that the daily sale of books is worth eight to ten lakh rupees. For all the literature you had told us in Bombay.)

Prabhupāda: Caitanya-caritāmṛta ka apka, humara ek set ka daam hai 800 rupiya. (One set of Caitanya-caritāmṛta costs eight hundred rupees.)

Shri Narayan: Ath sau, yehi hai kya? (Eight hundred, is this the one?)

Bhakti-caru: Yeh Seventeen volumes mein pura Caitanya-caritāmṛta ka . . . (indistinct) . . . (In seventeen volumes the complete Caitanya-caritāmṛta . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hum log. How many? Fifty . . . (We all. How many? Fifty . . .)

Bhakti-caru: How many sets?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Standing orders was . . . I think it was three thousand standing orders.

Prabhupāda: Three thousand or five thousand? Agar three thousand raupaih to kitna rupiya ka bika? (Three thousand or five thousand? If it was three thousand rupees, then for how many rupees were they sold?)

Bhakti-caru: Twenty-four lakhs.

Prabhupāda: Three thousand eight hundred.

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Dhai crore rupiya? haa, chaubees lakh hua. (Two and a half crores? Yes, twenty four lakhs.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Three thousand at fifty rupees each.

Bhakti-caru: Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Eight hundred rupees a set times three thousand.

Shri Narayan: Apne swami ji, Bombay mein apne bataya tha na anuvad aap kar rahe thei, woh pura hua anuvaad? kis cheez ka mujhe abhi smaran nahi raha, apne kaha tha mein anuvaad kar raha hu, aur akhri shayad adhyay hai. Srimad Bhagavat ka nahi tha, Bhagavat ka to ho chuka na? (In Bombay, you said that you were translating something and were probably on the last chapter. I cannot recall. Not Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Bhāgavatam is over?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi woh Daśama Skanda ho raha hai. (No, the tenth canto is being translated.)

Shri Narayan: Accha dasam skand ho raha hai, haa bhagwat ka hi apne kaha tha. Pura hua? (Oh, the tenth canto is being translated. Yes you had said Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Is it finished?)

Bhakti-caru: Nahi abhi pura nahi hua. Unka tabiyat theek nahi hai, dheere dheere karte rehte hai. (No, it's not completed yet. His health is not good so he is translating slowly.)

Shri Narayan: Aapne bataya tha raat ko bhi aap likhte hai. (You were saying that you translated at night.)

Prabhupāda: Raat mein hi to likhte hai, baki, abhi woh brain theek work nahi karta. ab brain ko lagana padta . . .(indistinct) . . . (Yes, I translate at night. My brain is not working properly, and you have to think while translating . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Rishikesh mein bhi apko vishesh faiyda nahi hua. Khas fayda nahi hua? (In Rishikesh also you did not recover much. Not much benefit?)

Prabhupāda: Nahi, woh rishikesh mein aur kharab hua. Humne socha, ke marne ke liye chalo Vrindavan mein. (No, in Rishikesh it worsened. I thought it's better to go to Vṛndāvana, if i have to leave my material body.)

Shri Narayan: Fir Vrindavan aap kuch samay rahe, fir london bhi gaye, waha bhi kuch vishesh labh nahi hua. (So you went to Vṛndāvana and from there you also went to London but you did not make any significant recovery.)

Prabhupāda: Humara koshti ka vichar se, aur humara hai nahi. Kitna hogaya . . . (indistinct) . . . nahi to, actually my duration of life according to horroscope. (From a horoscopic point of view, I don't have any. How much . . . (indistinct) . . . otherwise, actually my duration of life according to horoscope.)

Shri Narayan: Abhi to sau varsha to pure karna chahiye na. (Now you should complete a hundred years.)

Prabhupāda: Karna to hai, baaki iss condition. (I have to do, but in this feeble condition.)

Shri Narayan: Humein pracheen parampara apne desh ki to sau varsha ka abhi matlab ek sau pachees varsh. (In our ancient tradition, hundred years means one hundred twenty-five years.)

Prabhupāda: To aap log sab kijye, aap log young men hai. Ab abhi do roz ka programme hai. (All of you can do, you are young men. So the assembly will be held for two days.)

Shri Narayan: Ji ha kal aur parso, paso shyaam ko pura hoga. (Yes, for two days, day after evening it will finish.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here is Akṣayānanda Mahārāja, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Ah, Akṣayānanda Mahārāja . . .

Akṣayānanda: Yes, Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: The film and . . . what happened to . . .?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, they would like to have a . . .

Shri Narayan: Bhajan-kirtan aur woh naya vrindavan ka film bhi dekhana chahte hai, aur fir ek ghanta ka bhajan-kirtan. Kal. Kal nau se sade das tak chale, bhojan ke baad. Fir nau baje se aap kahengo to jaldi bhi bhojan kar sakte hai. Sade aath se bhi. sade aath se das ho sakta hai aisa kareiye. Sab log aye hai na Bharat varsa se aye hai. (Tomorrow bhajan-kirtan and we want to watch the film on New Vṛndāvana and then one hour of bhajan-kirtan. Tommorow. Tommorow from nine to ten thirty after the meal. After nine we can have an early dinner, if you say so. Can be from eight-thirty to ten, do this. Many people have come from all over India.)

Akṣayānanda: Humein bahut khushi hai aap log aye hai. (We are very happy that you all have come.)

Prabhupāda: Jab boliye. (Whenever you say.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Hum organize kar lenge. Acha ab inko . . . (We will organize. Now let him . . .)

Shri Narayan: Accha, aapko strain nahi aana chahiye, aapke darshan ho gaye, bahut khushi hui humko, aate hi malum hua ki aap kal padhar rahe hai, to hum log soch rahe thei kal subah . . . lekin abhi aap acha hua, subah fir, subah to waha darshan karenge mandir mein. (You should not get stressed. We are very happy to have your darśana. As soon as we arrived, we heard that you are leaving. We were thinking, tomorrow morning . . . but now it's good, in the morning we will have darśana in the temple.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Woh innaugration ke samay apne jo abhi kaha hai, woh srimanji . . . (During the inauguration, whatever you've said, that sir . . .)

Shri Narayan: Haa, hum woh sabko batayenge, aapne jo kaha hai. (Yes, We will tell everyone what you've said.)

Prabhupāda: Mataji sab aye hai? Apka mataji? (All the women have come? Your mother?)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: Ha ma theek hai, meri patni abhi waha ja ke ayi, tabiyat theek hai mata ki. (Yes my mother is fine. My wife went to see her recently.)

Shri Narayan: Milwa de . . . namaskar kar lena. (Make them meet . . . do namaskār.)

Prabhupāda: Kaun hai? (Who is it?)

Shri Narayan: Yeh to Ram Krishna ji ki patni hai Vimla Bai, abhi mil ke ayi hai mataji se, tabiyat theek hai unki. Vardan hai. (Here is Ramakrishna Ji's wife, Vimla Bai. She has recently met the mother, and her health is fine. It's a blessing.)

Prabhupāda: Ram Krishna ji ki mataji humari badi behen hai, woh humse . . . (Ramakrishna Ji's mother is like my elder sister. To me . . .)

Shri Narayan: Woh cheyasi saal ki hai, chayasi ho jayengi january mein. (She will become eighty-six years old in January.)

Prabhupāda: Accha, Bhagwan ji . . . (indistinct) . . . aap to bahut bade scientist hai, thoda maaf kijyega jo koi truti. (Alright, God . . . (indistinct) . . . you are a great scientist, please forgive me for any mistake.)

Shri Narayan: Nahi nahi aapne bahut badi sewa sansar ki ki hai aur abhi bahut varsho tak karna hai swami ji. Kyuki itna bada karya hua hai das gyarah varsha mein. Woh to ek bilkul apurva kaha jayega. (You have done a great service to the world and it must continue for many more years. It is really a miracle that such a big thing has happened in ten years. It will be called unprecedented.)

Prabhupāda: Bharat ka bahar mein ek bhi mandir nahi tha, abhi ek sau ath hai. Sab Radha Krishna ka mandir. Aur apka Bombay ka jo mayor hai kal . . . (indistinct) . . . woh sab ghoom ke aya hai kehta hai, bolta hai aisa mandir bharat mein nahi hai, yeh to kitna acha dedication hai, aur kitna kharch kartei hai. (Previously, there was not a single temple outside India but now there are one hundred and eight temples of Radha-Kṛṣṇa. The mayor of Bombay yesterday . . . (indistinct) . . . he visited everywhere and was telling that such a temple is not there in Bharat, how good is the dedication of devotees and the amount of expenditure is being done.)

Shri Narayan: Woh bombay ka jo kuch takleef thi kathinayi dur hogayi na? Nahi to aur woh ramkrishna ji ne bhi kaha tha, jo kuch sadak wadak ki baat thi, to woh to sab mere khayal se theek ho gaya abhi. (In Bombay the difficulty which was there, that is resolved now? Otherwise Ramakrishna Ji had also mentioned something regarding a road? I think it's resolved now.)

Prabhupāda: I do not know.

Shri Narayan: Woh apse baat hui thi na pichle baar to uske baad Ram Krishna ji ne kaha ki koshish ki . What is the latest about the Bombay temple? Woh road kuch banana tha. (We had spoken last time after that Ram Krishna ji mentioned that he also tried. What is the latest about the Bombay temple? Some road was made.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We haven't heard anything in the last two or three months, Śrīla Prabhupāda. This telegram came from the former mayor—Ganatra? Rajiv Ganatra? He wrote, "Pray God to give you long life to spread Indian culture in every nook and corner of the universe."

Shri Narayan: Bombay Mayor ka aya hai. Bahut acha. (From the Mayor of Bombay. Very Good.)

Ramkrishna Bajaj: That is the feeling of all, everybody.

Shri Narayan: Abhi sabhi theek hoga swami ji aap yeh chinta na rakhiye. Bhagawan sab theek hi karega. (Please do not worry Swamījī. The Lord will ensure that everything becomes perfect.)

Lady guests: Ok, so let us take leave.

Prabhupāda: That is Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyate (BG 4.11).

Ramakrishna Bajaj: Yeh meri dusri behen hai aur yeh choti behen hai, yeh jeejaji hai, Raj Narayan ji hai. Sabhi log . . . So, she is my second sister and she is the younger, he is her husband Raj Narayanji. Everyone . . .)

Shri Narayan: Yeh Delhi mein rehte hai maharaj. (They stay in Delhi, Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Apka kai behen hai? (How many sisters do you have?)

Ramakrishna Bajaj: Teen behen hai. (I have three sisters.)

Shri Narayan: Sabse badi hai Kamla Bai woh Bombay mein rehti hai zyada aur hum log Vardahi mein jyada rehte hai. Woh to yeh hai, Vardahi mein hum log jyada rehte hai aur yeh choti hai, behen . . . (The eldest one is Kamala Bai who mostly lives in Bombay and we mostly live in Wardha. This is the one and this is the younger sister . . .)

Prabhupāda: (indistinct Hindi) . . . desh ka kama bahut kiya . . . (I did a lot of work for this country . . .) Para-upakāra. Manushya jivan hai (We have human life) —this is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, para-upakāra. Especially since you have taken birth in India.

Bhārata-bhūmite haila, manuṣya-janma yāra,

janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra

(CC Adi 9.41)

Aap samajh rahe hai. To Bharat bhoomi mein yeh janam hua, apna janam ko sarthak karte hai, karo para-upakāra. This is Indian culture. Para-upakāra. Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. Para-upakāra. That is human life, para-upakāra. And that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Bhārata, especially. Bharat punya bhumi hai. Jiska janm hua hai woh apna janm sarthak kare para-upakāra. (Could you understand? Those who have taken birth in India, should make their life successful by doing para-upakāra. This is Indian culture. Para-upakāra. Indian culture is not meant for exploiting others. Para-upakāra. This is human life, para-upakāra. And that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Bhārata, especially. Bhārata is a pious land. Those who have taken birth in the holy land of India should make their life successful by doing Para-upakāra.) . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . you've served the nation a lot . . . para-upakāra—in human life, this is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, para-upakāra. Especially those who have taken birth in India. Bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra.

janma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra

(CC Adi 9.41)

Shri Narayan: Kal darshan karenge apke mandir mein. (So, tomorrow we shall come for darśana. Jaya.)

(kavirāja enters)

Kavirāja: Aaj to bahut bole Maharaj. (Today Mahārāja spoke for quite a long time.)

Prabhupāda: Woh . . . (indistinct) . . . baithe hai. (They . . . (indistinct) . . . sitting.)

Bhakti-caru: Hyām̐, ōṣudha tairi karē phirē ēsēchēna. (Yes, he came back after preparing the medicine.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's going down.

Kavirāja: Aaj urine kitna aya hai. (Has he passed urine today?)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj jyada hua hai panch se chalis. (Today it's increased from five to forty.)

Kavirāja: Bahut khushi ka baat hai. (This is a good news.)

Bhakti-caru: Aur clear, last ke do dafe kiye hai, to ek dum bilkul saf. (And clear, last two times he has done and it was perfectly clear.)

Kavirāja: Ek shishi bana hai. . . (indistinct) . . . do shishi. Bahut badiya hai. Aaj judne ka umeed nahi inka kripa se agaya, sab tuta hua hai. Usko humnei gud aur methi laga laga kar ke usmei sath me . . . (indistinct) . . . water, ek botal aap bana le, isko aap pani mein rakh dijjye. Yah fridge hai? (One bottle is made . . . (indistinct) . . . two bottles. Very good. Today the possibility of joining was not there, with his mercy I've come, everything was broken. By applying jaggery and fenugreek together . . . (indistinct) . . . water, one bottle you can make, keep this in water. Is there a fridge here?)

Bhakti-caru: Ha fridge hai. (Yes fridge is there.)

Kavirāja: Ha fridge mein rakh dijye, yeh dose to aaj de dijye. (Yes keep it in the fridge, give him one dose today.)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj ek dose, ek dose dedu? Kitna du? (Today one dose, shall i give one dose? How much?)

Kavirāja: Ek dose mein adha ounce. (One ounce in a dose.)

Bhakti-caru: Adha ounce, Matlab do chamach? (Half an ounce means two spoons?)

Kavirāja: Char chamach de do. (Give four spoons.)

Bhakti-caru: Chota chamach ke hisab se? (As per small spoons?)

Kavirāja: Asal mein bada . . . (indistinct) . . . (Actually a big . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Abhi de du kya? (Shall I give now?)

Kavirāja: Ha to ankh ka sujan bhi kam hai. Dekho na yeh . . . (The swelling in the eyes is less. See this . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Ankh ka sujan kam hai, pair thoda sa phula hua tha. (The swelling in eyes is less, but the legs are a little swollen.)

Kavirāja: Pair, Jalan ho raha hai? (Legs, is there any burning sensation?)

Bhakti-caru: Thoda sa. Aap dekhiye na. (A little bit. You please examine.)

Kavirāja: Aaj lagaya nahi kya? . . . (indistinct) . . . nahi to jyada kaha, aaj din mein lagaya nahin shayad. (Did not apply today? . . . (indistinct) . . . not much, in the day it hasn't been applied.)

Bhakti-caru: Oh nahin, Aaj din mein so rahe thei, to usiliye. (No, actually he was sleeping in the morning that is why.)

Kavirāja: To sote sote laga dijye, medicine to inko . . . (You can apply it even while he is sleeping, medicine must be given . . .)

Bhakti-caru: To neend tut janeko ka bhai tha. (I was afraid that he might wake up.)

Kavirāja: Inko to minuto mein neend ati hai minuto mein jagte hai. (He falls asleep in a few minutes and then gets up in a few minutes.)

Bhakti-caru: To shyam ko tel, tel se malish hua hai. (In the evening he was given an oil massage.)

Kavirāja: Yasyām jāgrati bhūtāni, sā niśā paśyato muneh (BG 2.69) . . . Jyada nahi. Usmei narmai yehi hai . . . (indistinct) . . . bahut sundar, niklega woh to. (Not much. This is its softness . . . (indistinct) . . . very good, it will come out.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The main thing we saw today, Prabhupāda passed more urine than ever before, and very clear-colored.

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct) . . . ka ticket hogaya hai? ( . . . (indistinct) . . . has the ticket been done?)

Bhakti-caru: Delhi se to khabar nahin aya abhi tak. (We have not got any information from Delhi and our telephone is also out order.)

Bhakti-caru: Hum log ka telephone bhi abhi kharab ho gaya hai. (The telephone is out of order.) He was wondering . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Whether we got the reservations or not.

Bhakti-caru: Yes.

Kavirāja: Dekhiye sab hath mein swelling padne lag gaye na. (See his hands are not getting swollen.)

Bhakti-caru: Ha, nahi abhi to thoda sa, thoda sa phula hua hai, pehle to aur kam tha. Aaj subah ko. (Yes, it is only slightly swollen now, but previously it was lesser, in the morning.)

Kavirāja: Hilaya bhi khub hath ko aur itna bolna bhi nahi chihye . . . (indistinct) . . . (He spoke for a very long time today and used his hands too . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that?

Bhakti-caru: Said Prabhupāda shouldn't speak so much.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Phew. Yes.

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Kavirāja: Nahi. woh Shriman Narayan naam suna hai. (No. I have heard that name, Shriman Narayan.)

Bhakti-caru: Yeh to tha Sriman Narayan, ek thei Ram Krishna Bajaj, Bajaj electricals ka aur unka patni aur do behen tha aur jija ji tha. (One was Shriman Narayan and the other one was Ram Krishna Bajaj, the owner of Bajaj Electricals. Along with him there was his wife, his two sisters and their husband.)

Kavirāja: Swamiji, yeh bhi bhikahri hai. Roj bolte hai He bhagwan ek mill aur, do mill karo char mill karo, to apke samne kuch nahi hai, humto yeh samajhta hai. Fir bhi punyatma admi hai. (Swamiji, they are beggars, every day they ask God, "Oh Lord please give me one factory, two factories, four factories." In front of you they are nothing, this is what I think. But yes at least they are pious souls.)

Prabhupāda: Hum bhi apne liye . . . (We also for ourselves . . .)

Kavirāja: Nahi, apne liye kuch nahi kar raha hai Apko koi baadi hai, apko koi do char lakh apke naam personal hai. Kuch nahi. Nothing. Aaap to dekha jaye vishwa ke pita hogaye, jaise woh rashtra pita gandhi ji hue the na. Aap ne jo kaam kiya hai, jo apke putra taiyar hue hai. Woh amar rahega itihas ke andar. Aur kundli vundli ka koi bhram mat kijye aap, apko ayu hai, yeh hum bolte hai, Kyuki medicine ekdam regular kaam kar rahi hai, isliye humko bada faith hai. Ishwar par vishwas hai. aur kal humko ek swapn aya humne apko bahut divya roop mein dekha hai. To isliye, ab kai mahine ka bimari jaam ho gaya hai na apka, woh nikalte . . . accha apko jo medicine deta hai hum bahut slow medicine deta hai, kyuki koi jyada dose hone se thoda reaction ho jata hai. Isliye hum dekhta hai char roj teher ke labh ho, ki dheere dheere progress ho aur teen roj mein progress hai. (No, you have not done anything for yourself. You do not have anything in your name, a big house or two laks, four laks rupees. Nothing. You have become the father of the world in one sense, just like Gandhiji became father of the nation. Your work will remain immortal. You have trained up all your sons. Don't bother about your horoscope. I tell you that you still have many years left. I have faith in God and the medicine is working regularly and I saw you yesterday in a very divine form in my dream. Now, the diseases have been accumulating in your body for many months, then leaving . . . yes, the medicines that I give you are very slow because high dosage can lead to some reactions. That is why I'm seeing whether in four days is there any benefit, so that slowly slowly progress is there and now in three days progress is there.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Slowly but surely.

Kavirāja: Aaj khane me kya diya? (What did you give to eat?)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj subah to barley dudh diya tha aur angoor ka ras diya tha. (I gave him barley milk in the morning and grape juice.)

Kavirāja: Aur khasi ka kya hai? (What about his coughing?)

Bhakti-caru: Khasi to nahi hai, to isliye dawai bhi nahi diya. (He is not coughing any more, so I did not give him any medicine.)

Kavirāja: Arey yeh khud kar lete hai. Humko malum pada hai. Nahi Swamiji khasi nahi hai apko. Fir yeh bimari aaap choriye is dhandei ko iss lila ko samapt kijye, aur janta ki sewa kijye aap. Baat yeh hai. Vishwa ka kalyan kijye. Yeh khasi aisa hoga kab hojayega dusre roj khasi nahi, kabhi bhi nahi ho sakta hai, impossible hai. (He does it all by himself? I have come to understand this. Swamījī, give up your līlā of illness now and start serving mankind. The thing is, please do welfare for this world. It is impossible that he was coughing yesterday and today he is completely fine. Impossible.)

Bhakti-caru: (chuckling) He's saying it's impossible, that he had cough today, and tomorrow there is no sign of it. So these are all Śrīla Prabhupāda's pastimes, his own doings.

Kavirāja: Ab inko thoda . . . (indistinct) . . . de dijye, aaj jaldi soye, kyuki aaj bole hai na jyada, inko to itna hi parishram ho jata hai. (Now let him . . . (indistinct) . . . give, today he slept early because he has spoken for a long time.)

Bhakti-caru: Aur shyam ko bhi unhone barley doodh piya tha. (He took barley and milk in the evening.)

Kavirāja: Bahut theek, barley doodh dete rahenge, inme strength aa jayega, takhat, jo ann hai woh . . . urine mein hoke nikal jayega, ismei koi dikat nahi hai. (Yes, very nice. Keep giving Barley milk. It is grain so it will give him strength and the rest will go out in the form of urine. There will be no difficulty.)

Bhakti-caru: Aur ek badi baat hai ki woh dodh piye hai, kuch takleef nahi hua. (Moreover, he does not face any problem with milk.)

Kavirāja: Accha, aaj tati hua unko? (Okay, did he pass stool?)

Bhakti-caru: Aaj thoda sa tati hua tha. (Today he passed a little stool.)

Kavirāja: Hua hai, bahut theek, ab unka ruchi . . . (indistinct) . . . roj ek tati ho jayega. Inka dhire dhire ruchi hoyega. (It has happened, very good, now his interest . . . (indistinct) . . . if he passes stool daily, he will gradually develop taste.)

Bhakti-caru: Aur dopahar ko lauki ka sabji thoda sa diya, to unhe acha laga. (In the afternoon, I gave him a preparation of loki and he liked it.)

Kavirāja: Humara to vichar yeh tha, ki pandrah roj mein theek ho jaye, fir hum apko agei le jaye. Par apka icha hai isliye humne programme kar liya hai, ki chalei sath hi. Kuch nahi hoga. Waha ek dam maje mein . . . (indistinct) . . . yeh humko atma vishwas hai, aur medicine par vishwas hai, dene ke baad apka. (My plan was that he will recover fully in fifteen days and then I will take you further. But since you want, therefore I made this program to go together. Nothing will happen to him. He is perfectly fine . . . (indistinct) . . . I have complete confidence in the medicine.)

Prabhupāda: Pandrah din aap to rahenge? (Are you going to stay for fifteen days?)

Kavirāja: Mein to nahi rahunga, mein dubahra aa sakta hu apke liye, reh nahi sakta hu. Diwali padti hai na. (I cannot stay because Diwali is coming, but I can come back for you again.)

Bhakti-caru: Accha Diwali kab hai? (When is Diwali?)

Kavirāja: Diwali saat tareek ko hai. Mein to aya tha kewal do ek roj ke liye, ek roj ke liye fir wapas aa jayenge. Kapde bhi nahi laya hu bus aise hi. Humne waha pucha ki maharaj ko kya shikayata hai. Koi humko pura bata nahi saka, nahi to . . . (indistinct) . . . ko hum sath le aate. (Diwali is on the seventh. I had come only for a day or two, one day's work and then return back. I haven't brought sufficient clothes. I asked what are Mahārāja's complaints. But nobody could tell me much . . . (indistinct) . . . I would have gotten along.)

Bhakti-caru: Kisi ka malum to nahi tha ki aur telephone mein to jyada . . . (Nobody knew and on telephone much . . .)

Kavirāja: Nahi, telephone mein humse baat kar lete na, to hum sab pooch lete. Aapka to parichay nahi tha . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhiye peshab khub bada hai 300 se 500 hogaya, Same medicine hai. (On the telephone we could have spoken, then I would have asked everything. I didn't know you . . . (indistinct) . . . see, urine has increased from three hundred to five hundred. Same medicine.)

Bhakti-caru: 500 se jyada hai, 540 aur dekhiye aur bhi ho sakta hai. (It's more than 500, 540 and please see can be more.)

Kavirāja: Bas issei jyada nahi badhayenge. Jyada fir potassium . . . (indistinct) . . . (Don't increase more than this. Else potassium . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Kal subah peshab rakh du kya? (Shall I keep some urine in the morning?)

Kavirāja: Ha dekh lenge. Dopahar mein tati bhi dekhana chahte hai. (Yes, I will see it and in the afternoon will see the stool too.)

Bhakti-caru: In the morning you have to save the urine.

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Which time? The latest possible one.

Bhakti-caru: Kitne baje, subah kitne baje? (At what time in the morning?)

Kavirāja: Kitne baje karte hai latrine? (When does he pass in the morning?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause he passes urine sometimes two times in the morning, or three.

Bhakti-caru: For last few days, at times he's passing at four o'clock and then again at about six o'clock.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So which one of those two?

Kavirāja: Ha to dupahar mein. (Yes, then in the afternoon.)

Bhakti-caru: Dopahar mein hota hai to mein de deta abhi . . . (indistinct) . . . (In the afternoon, if it was there, I would have given it now . . .)

Kavirāja: Yeh jo urine hain woh first ka, subah char pach baje ke time ka urine jo hai. (In the case of urine, then save the first one at four or five o'clock.)

Bhakti-caru: Dupahar ko barah baje. (Afternoon at 12 o'clock.)

Kavirāja: Aap hum jo baat karrahe thei na woh ek behen hai unki sister . . . (indistinct) . . . (What we were discussing, that he has a sister . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Kiya nahi. Yeh hua tha do baje, barah baje raat ko kal hua tha. (He did not do it. This happened at two, happened at twelve in the night.)

Kavirāja: Hum samajhta hai ankh ka swelling to teen char roj mein theek hoi jayega . . . (indistinct) . . . dekhiye waise to inko suja humesha rehta hai, prakriti hai,inki behen ko bhi hai . . . (indistinct) . . . jaise sujan kam hoga uska matlab kidney theek. Meine pucha tha kya treatment chal raha hai. (What I understand is that the swelling of the eyes will go away in three to four days . . . (indistinct) . . . if you see, actually he always has some swelling in the body, that's the nature, his sister too . . . (indistinct) . . . as the swelling reduces, it means the kidney is recovering. I had asked what treatment is going on.)

Bhakti-caru: Yaha Gītā conference hoga. (There is a Gītā conference here.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Gītā Pratiṣṭhāna. Big conference. Two days. Two-day conference.

Bhakti-caru: Kal aur parso do roj hai, aap bhi ayega. (Tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.)

Kavirāja: Jarur ayenge. Kaha hai? (Definitely I will come. Where is it?)

Bhakti-caru: Where is the conference?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It will be in the gurukula building at two o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

Bhakti-caru: Acha kal dopahar ko do baje, woh gurukul building hai na, waha pe hall hai. Waha hall mein hoga. Theek hai main apko. Agar mein nahi gaya, kisi ko bhej dunga apko lejane ke liye. Aaj to aap bahut thake hue honge . . . (indistinct) . . . (It will happen at two o'clock tomorrow in the gurukula building hall. Okay, if I cannot go, then I will send someone else to go with you. You must be very tired today . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct) . . . unhone bhi acha kam kiya hai aisa nahi hai . . . (indistict) . . . . . . (indistinct) . . . (It's not that, he too has done a wonderful job . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Bahut acha. (Very good.)

Kavirāja: Do number ka medicine? (Medicine number 2?)

Bhakti-caru: Do number medicine abhi tak nahi diya hai, abhi denge, dedunga. (Medicine number 2 has not been given yet. I will give it now, will give it.)

Kavirāja: Sath mein yeh, ayurvedic . . . (Give it along with this ayurvedic . . .)

Bhakti-caru: Ek sath mila dena hai? (Do I need to mix them?)

Kavirāja: Nahi, muthi me lekar pila dijye . . . (indistinct) . . . de diya hai? Accha woh . . . (indistinct) . . . (No, take it in your hand and offer it for drinking . . . (indistinct) . . . have you given it? Oh that . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Kavirāja: Kya Doctor sahab! Woh doctor hai na?) (What Doctor Sahib! (to Bhakti-caru) He is a doctor?)

Bhakti-caru: Ha, he's a doctor. Physics.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Chemistry.

Bhakti-caru: Oh, chemistry. Śrīla Prabhupāda? Āmi ki ōṣudha dēba? (Shall I give some medicine?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Kavirāja: Aushadham Janaki tyoyam, tatha Ganga pavitra tadai aushadhi. Aaj juice liya, kuch taste laga Swami ji? (The medicine should be considered as pure as the Ganges. Did you get some taste in the juice today?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you also ate a little bit of vegetable, and you said there was a little taste today, I think. (to Svarūpa Dāmodara) You can tell him. Some vegetable.

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, he said . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . 500 cc urine.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Āyurvedic science is very perfect. But the difficulty is that until now we could not find a doctor who understood the science.

Kavirāja: Difficulty hai aushad banane ka. Bahut difficult hai. Ab hum direct na itna parishram hua hai iska puchiye mat. (The main difficulty is in making the medicine. It's very difficult. Don't even ask, the amount of hard work I've personally done.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: He said that the difficulty is to make the medicine. It takes time and . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that's . . .

Kavirāja: Yeh kidney ke liye special hai. This is for Kidney, special. (This is specially for the kidney. This is for Kidney, special.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (looking at medicine) Phew. What is it made from?

Kavirāja: Ismei baes aushadhi hai. (There are twenty-two ingredients.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī has made very nice medicine for you—very, very nice. What is that from?

Kavirāja: Accha, itna ingredient hai ismein. Iss mein jadi hai baes.Twenty two. (Alright, it has got these many ingredients. It has twenty-two ingredients. Twenty-two.)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Twenty-two ingredients.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Distilled.

Kavirāja: Isko distilled water kehte hai. (This is called distilled water.)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Accha. (Okay.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No one will take the time anymore these days. How is it given? How is this given?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Kaisa, matlab kaisa dena hai, drink? (How, how should it be administered. Does he have to drink it?)

Kavirāja: Yeh pine ke liye hai. Ek ounce. (One has to drink it. One ounce.)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Drink. One dose. One, once.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Phew. This is the science. This is real medicine. It took him seven, eight hours, twenty-two ingredients distilled. He has to distill the water first. Twenty-two ingredients. It's very nice, isn't it.

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Bhakti-caru: Śrīla Prabhupāda? . . . (indistinct) . . . (Prabhupāda drinks medicine)

Kavirāja: Thoda pani . . . (A little water.)

Bhakti-caru: Yeh pani jaisa hai. (This is like water.)

Kavirāja: Yeh distilled water, ismei baes jadi hai. Twenty two. (It is distilled water with twenty-two ingredients.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for the kidneys?

Kavirāja: Vṛkka-sañjīvanī. Hum log ko ayurveda mein issei, kidney ko Vrkka bolta hai. (Vṛkka-sañjīvanī. In Āyurveda, kidney is called Vṛkka.)

Bhakti-caru: Vṛkka. V-r-i-k-k-a.

Kavirāja: Urdu, urdu ke Gurda bolta hai issei. (In Urdu it's called Gurda.)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Urdu.

Kavirāja: Allopathy mein issei kidney bolte hai. (In allopathy it is called kidney.)

Bhakti-caru: The Sanskrit name for kidney is vṛkka.

Kavirāja: Vṛkka-sañjīvanayarak.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Vṛkka-sañjīvanī-aya

Bhakti-caru: No, sañjīvanī-araka. Araka means extract, and sañjīvanī means . . .

Kavirāja: Jo vrikka ka hissa kharab hogaya hai usko punar jevit kar dena . . . (indistinct) . . . ka kaam hai. (The diseased portion of the kidney will be revitalized . . . (indistinct) . . . it's work.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does that mean? Extractive.

Bhakti-caru: Yes. Extract, to revitalize the kidney. No, our medicine for revitalizing the kidney. Āmi ki pātraṭi niẏē yāba? (Should I take the vessel away?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like a little soft kīrtana?

Prabhupāda: No. Now let me take rest.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Take rest. Okay, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (end)