771108 - Conversation B - Vrndavana

Conversations by Date, 1977

His Divine Grace
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

771108R2-VRNDAVAN - November 08, 1977 - 44:25 Minutes

Prabhupāda: Eitate ache. (It's in this.)

Bhakti-cāru: Eitai na. (No it's not.)

Prabhupāda: Eite? (In this one?)

Bhakti-cāru: Eitate ache. Hu . . . kobiraj to ekhon chole gechen. Uni fire asben sondher somoi. Tokhon ese dekhben. Apni ghumachhilen. (Yes it's there in this. Hu . . . kavirāja has now left. He will come again in the evening. Then he will examine. You were sleeping when he came.)

(indistinct comment)

Bhakti-cāru: O bolche batha kome jabe. Ajkei batha kome jabe. (Kavirāja said that the pain will be reduced. By today only the pain will be over.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Bhakti-cāru: Tolpete batha hoi na Śrīla Prabhupāda? (The pain is there in your lower abdomen, isn't it Śrīla Prabhupāda?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Bhakti-cāru: In lower abdomen.

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Śatadhanya: Sharp, pin-pointed pain, or over . . . general?

Bhakti-cāru: Kirom dhoroner batha hoi Śrīla Prabhupāda? (What is the nature of the pain Śrīla Prabhupāda?)

Prabhupāda: Pechhap ta berote. (During the passing of urine.)

Bhakti-cāru: When he passes urine, then . . .

Prabhupāda: Hmm . . . (indistinct) . . .

Bhakti-cāru: Ki Śrīla Prabhupāda? (What Śrīla Prabhupāda?)

Prabhupāda: Nozzle dao. (Give me the nozzle.)

Bhakti-cāru: Urine?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Bhakti-cāru: Urine bottle? . . . (indistinct Bengali)

Prabhupāda: Daktar Ramswarup? (Dr. Ramswarup?)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Hmm. (break)

Prabhupāda: Ramswarup ki? (Who is Ramswarup?)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Daktar. (He is a doctor.)

Prabhupāda: Qualified daktar? (Is he a qualified doctor?)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Ha qualified. Mane oder . . . (indistinct) . . . (Yes qualified. I mean they . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Mathurara district officer chilen. Hospitaler chakri chilo. Retire korechen. Apnader member ekjon, life member. (He was a district officer in Mathura. He used to work for a hospital. Now he has retired. He is one of your member, life member.)

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Dekhen jodi chinben. (If you see him you will recognize.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

(Background chanting)

Prabhupāda: Ramswarup chini chini mone hochhe. (It seems that I know Ramswarup.)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Ha khub chinen apni. Ami jani. (Yes you know him well. I know.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: (chuckles) . . . (indistinct) . . . onar sishyo, apnar member. Life member. (. . . (indistinct) . . . his disciple, your member. Life member.)

Prabhupāda: Ramswarup . . . (indistinct) . . .

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Ha . . . (indistinct) . . . (Yes . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Oh . . . ekdin aste bolun na. (Oh . . . tell him to come one day.)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Aste bolbo? (Will I ask him to come?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. (Yes.)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Se bollo ami du tin din temple gea pai ni. Apni ektu bolben maharaj ke. Ektu darshan koruk apnar . . . (indistinct) . . . (Ramswasrup told me "I went to the temple for two three days but could not see him. You please tell me Mahārāja once." Let him come and take your darshan . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Kṛṣṇadāsa Maharaja: Jedin apni khub ghumachhilen. Ami bosechilam adh ghontar upore . . . (indistinct) . . . (That day when you were in deep sleep. I was waiting for more than half an hour . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. (break)

Kavirāja: Ye aapke darshan ke liye Balaram ji Mishra. Aap jante hai inko? Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ke . . . (See, this Balaram Mishra has come to meet you. Do you know him? Caitanya Mahāprabhu's . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Ami edike achi Prabhuji. Ami Balaram Mishra. (I am standing on this side Prabhuji. I am Balaram Mishra.)

Prabhupāda: Oh yes.

Balaram Mishra: Chinte perechen to amake? (Could you recognize me?)

Prabhupāda: Ha. (Yes.)

Balaram Mishra: Kaviraj jir songe amar onek purono alap ache. (I have a long acquaintance with Kavirāja.)

Prabhupāda: Oh.

Balaram Mishra: Ta kalke onar songe dekha holo. Bollen maharaj amai dekechen. Amar to boro soubhaggo. Ei sutre amar dekha hoye jabe kenona bohudin purbe jokhon thakur bose ni tokhon . . . (Yesterday I met with Kavirāja. He said you have asked me to visit. It is a great fortune for me. In this connection I will be able to see you, because many days ago when the Deity's were not there, then . . .)

Prabhupāda: Thik achhe . . . (indistinct) . . . (That's all right . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Ha ache ache. Ache maharaj. Ami bhablam jodi ektu dekha kore asi amio . . . (Yes it's there. It's there Mahārāja. I thought let me go and see him, then I also . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hotat ei rom hoye gelo. (Suddenly my health deteriorated like this.)

Balaram Mishra: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: Besh kaaj cholchilo. (I was doing my job nicely.)

Balaram Mishra: Ha. (Okay.)

Prabhupāda: Ki jani ki . . . tobu bhalo je keu poison kore ni . . . hoteo pare. (Don't know what . . . still it is better that nobody has poisoned me . . . it may also be a possibility.)

Balaram Mishra: Hu? (What?)

Kavirāja: Keya forma rahe hai? (What are you trying to say?)

Prabhupāda: Ohi bolta hai je koi poison diya hai. (They say that someone has given me poison.)

Kavirāja: Kisko? (To whom?)

Prabhupāda: Mujhko. (To me.)

Kavirāja: Kaun bolta hai? (Who says this?)

Prabhupāda: Ehi sab . . . (All these . . .)

Bhakti-cāru: Ke boleche Śrīla Prabhupāda? (Who said this Śrīla Prabhupāda?)

Prabhupāda: Ke boleche? (Who said?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kṛṣṇadāsa?

Kavirāja: Aap ko koi poison dega, kisliye dega? (Why should anyone ever give you poison?)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who said that, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: I do not know, but it is said.

(indistinct whispered comments by devotees)

Prabhupāda: Aadmi ka . . . (indistinct) . . . (Of a person . . . (indistinct) . . .)

(indistinct whispered comments by Svarūpa Dāmodara)

Bhakti-cāru: Apni to jyotish janen? (To Balaram Mishra) (You know astrology, right?) . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Kavirāja: Ye to jyotish me pandit nahi hai. (He is not a scholar in astrology.)

Prabhupāda: Ha? (What?)

Kavirāja: Ye pandit hai, jyotish nahi jante hai. (He is a scholar but not on astrology.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Bhakti-cāru: Aap to thoda bahut jante hai. (You know a little bit about astrology.)

Kavirāja: Thoda bahut dekh lete hai. (I do practice a bit.)

Bhakti-cāru: Shastri ji janen Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Shastri ji (Kavirāja) knows, Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Kavirāja: Aap ko kisne bataya tha ki abhi kusti ki andar aap ko markej hai. Koi jyotishi ne bataya tha? (Who told you that in your horoscope the end time of your life has now reached. Was it told by any astrologer?)

Prabhupāda: Keya bataya tha? (What was said?)

Bhakti-cāru: Oi je apnar ayu sesh hoye gache apni bolchilen. Seta ki kono jyotishi boleche . . . (to Kavirāja) Kusti ka bichar me aisa tha. (That thing you told, someone said your life's time span has come to an end now. Was that told by any astrologer? (To Kavirāja) As per the readings of the horoscope it was said like that.)

Kavirāja: Achha. (Okay.)

Bhakti-cāru: To Śrīla Prabhupāda) Kintu Sastri Ji bolchen seta thik noi. (to Kavirāja) Aap to bolte hai aur das ssal rahenge. (To Śrīla Prabhupāda) But Shastri ji (Kavirāja) is saying that it's not correct. (to Kavirāja) You are saying that he will stay for ten more years.)

Kavirāja: Ha, abi keya hai, wo to . . . (Yes, nothing for now, it's . . .)

Bhakti-cāru: Sastri ji bolchen apni aro dos bochor amader songe thakben Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Shastri ji (Kavirāja) is saying that you will stay with us for ten more years, Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Kavirāja: Wo bichar chod dijiye aur bilkul hi ki kusti me ayu sesh ho gaya hai. (You abandon that idea from your mind that as per the horoscope your life span is over.)

Bhakti-cāru: Kal jo dawaia laye the usme triphala tha? (The medicine that you brought yesterday, was there triphala in that?)

Kavirāja: Nahi. (No.)

Bhakti-cāru: Jo akhe ke liye aap bole the. (You said that it was meant for the eye's.)

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct)

Bhakti-cāru: Thik hai main bajar se mangoa lunga. (Okay I will get it from the market.)

Prabhupāda: Balaram, Sastri ke kichu fol tol dao. (Please give some fruits to Balaram and Sastri.)

Bhakti-cāru: Ha Śrīla Prabhupāda. (Yes Śrīla Prabhupāda.)

Balaram Mishra: Are baba! Amar baba maharaj, jokhon karu kono osukh bisukh korto, totodin ektu kosto holeo korten, tokhon tini ekta slok path korten. (Oh please don't worry. You know Mahārāja, my father, whenever anyone fell sick, during those days he used to make the patient recite one sloka, even if it was difficult for the patient to recite.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Balaram Mishra: Tini bolten (sings the verse and explains it) Maharaj apnar eto sishyo, sebok ra ache. Sorbodai apnar jonne bhogobaner kache tara prarthona korche. Apni keno chinta korchen. Eder ki, bhogoban jokhon ek Draupadir kotha sunechilo, ek Gajendrar . . . (indistinct) . . . rokhha korechilo. Eto je apnar bhokto ra, ekhane noi, sob jaigai. Ami to Kolkatai chilam, sekhane . . . (indistinct) . . . sunlam je Prabhupāder osukh. Okhan theke tokhon amar ichhe chilo je ami gea . . . (indistinct) . . . keno kotodin theke ami asi ni. Aar bhobishhote bodh hoi amake bolechilen je uni e acharjo hoben. Kintu darun ekta byaghat pore gelo. Ora tokhon amake bollen . . . (indistinct) . . . tao oder songe kotha barta cholche . . . (indistinct) . . . amar boro soubhaggo je aaj porjonto maharajer amar nam, je uni chinte perechen je ami Balaram. Ta prabhu ami o thakurer kache prarthona korbo. Kichu Narayan rupe Tulasi dan, sahasra nam path . . . (indistinct) . . . (recites a verse) (My father used to say (sings the verse and explains it) Mahārāja, you have so many disciples. They all are preying for you to the Lord. Why are you becoming worried. What about all these, Lord even heard the prayers of a single person Draupadi, Gajendra . . . (indistinct) . . . he saved them. You have so many devotees, not only here, all over the world. I was in Calcutta, there . . . (indistinct) . . . I heard that Prabhupād's health is not well. Since then I had a wish that first I will . . . (indistinct) . . . because for so many days I haven't come here. And in future I was told that he will become the acarya. But what a great obstacle has come upon. Then they told me . . . (indistinct) . . . still a discussion is going on with them . . . (indistinct) . . . it is my great fortune that till date Mahārāja has remembered my name and has identified me as Balarama. So prabhu I will also pray to God for you. If some tulasi can be offered to Lord Narayana, recitation of the thousands name . . . (indistinct) . . .) (recites a verse)

Prabhupāda: Kichu korun. (Please do something.) (indistinct conversation)

Balaram Mishra: Ye sab aise karya hai ki inse . . . (All these are such an activity that . . .)

Kavirāja: . . . (indistinct)

Balaram Mishra: (recites a verse) Bishnu sahasra nam. Bhagaban Narayan ke upar Tulasi. (The thousand names of Lord Visnu. Offerings of tulasi to Lord Narayana.)

Kavirāja: Are aise sant admi ko byadhi hoti hai wo karma kshin ke liye hote hai. Baki in logo ko anubhab nahi hota hai, dusri jo sansarik admi wo dukhit ho jate hai. Ye sabse bari baat hai. (Actually such a saintly person like him, they get diseased only to lessen the karma. The rest others who have no realization, all those worldly people become very sad in such situations. This is the big difference.)

Prabhupāda: To ekhane korun ektu. (So you please do those activities here.)

Balaram Mishra: Thik achhe. (Okay.)

Kavirāja: Aap ki agga hogi, jaroor hoga. (If you give an order, it will surely be done.)

Bhakti-cāru: Vishnu sahasra nam . . . (To recite the thousand names of Visnu . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ha, ha. (Yes, yes.)

Kavirāja: Hu. (Yes.)

Prabhupāda: Achha ho sab. (Let there be wellbeing.)

Kavirāja: (verse) Inke bari pe gaye the hum kal. (I went to his house yesterday.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Kavirāja: To oha bagal me Chaitanya mahaprabhu ka ek mandir hai. Humko bara dekh karke . . . uska ek hissa jo hai ekdum devi . . . ek hissa . . . (indistinct) . . . ek hissa deviate ho gaye. Bahut puraton mondir ache. (Near to his house there is a temple of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. By seeing that I was very . . . one portion of that temple . . . (indistinct) . . . one portion fell down. It's a very old temple.)

Balaram Mishra: Maharaj, ek minit. Apnar Navadwip theke je vaishnav charitaboli kinechilo, jiboni ache tar dwitio khonde te, ullekh ache. Siddha Krishnadas Kaviraj Goswami maharaj Radha kunde thakten . . . (Just one minute Mahārāja. From Nabadwip the "Vaisnava Charitabali" that were purchased, the lifetime is there, in its second canto, this incident is mentioned. The great Krishnadas Kaviraja Goswami used to stay at Radha kunda . . .)

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Balaram Mishra: . . . (indistinct) . . . tarpore sei siddhha bigraha Vrindabaner, ektu kichu jodi na dekhen tahole sob dhosto hoye jabe. (. . . (indistinct) . . . then those valuable Deities of Vrindavan, if you do not pay attention to this, then everything will be destroyed.)

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Balaram Mishra: Ekdum sob pore jabe. Ekta dik pore gache. Emon ekta moha jirno obosthai, jodi tar songskar na kora hoi, tahole sob gelo. Mohaprabhur ekta eto suddhho jinish, puruno jinish, tar rokhha hoi. Ta moharaj etar rokhha den . . . (indistinct) . . . kaaj hobe . . . (indistinct) . . . ghorer kache kauke janabar moto . . . (indistinct) . . . ekta prachin mondirer jodi sonskar hoi, seta khub bhalo kaaj hobe. Aar moharaj ei somoye ei sob korar e dorkar . . . (indistinct) . . . seta sob dik theke mongolmoi. (The whole temple will fall down. One portion has already fallen. It's in such a ruined state that if it's not renovated, then everything will be finished. Such a pure glorious thing of Mahaprabhu, an old asset, can be saved. So maharaj please save that temple . . . (indistinct) . . . job will be done . . . (indistinct) . . . near my home there is no one to whom I can approach . . . (indistinct) . . . if such an old temple is renovated then it will be a very good activity. And Mahārāja at a time like this there is a need to perform such activities . . . (indistinct) . . . that will be auspicious from all aspects.)

Prabhupāda: Koto khorcha hobe? (How much will it cost?)

Balaram Mishra: Hmm?

Devotee: Koto khorcha? (How much will it cost?)

Balaram Mishra: Apni lok pathie dile o sob dekhe nebe. Apni pathie dile . . . sob kichu hoye jabe. Ki achhe. Apni ichha korle kono osombhob kaj nai je seta apnar ekta . . . mane notun mondir to apni korechen kintu purono mondir jodi apnar dwara hoi to loke bolbe je na uni nijer jonnei koren ni, ekta prachin . . . (indistinct) . . . ami porechi je jiboni te, smiri khonde te , sekhane lekha ache. Amar kotha te noi. (Prabhupāda tries to clear the throat) Sudhu apni ektu adesh dilei ora sob dekhe nebe. Eto eto birat bari hochhe . . . (indistinct) . . . koto ki lagbe. (If you send someone he can see and assess the costing. If you send someone . . . everything will be done. There won't be any difficulty. If you wish, there is no job impossible for you, it will be one of your . . . I mean you have built many new temple's but if you can renovate one old temple then people will say that he has not only done it for his own sake, he has also rebuilt one old temple . . . (indistinct) . . . I have read in the biography, in the memoir portion, there it is written. I am not speaking my own words. (Prabhupāda tries to clear his throat) If you just give your order then they all will see to it. So many big big buildings are coming up . . . (indistinct) . . . how much resources will be required.)

(indistinct whispered comments in the background by devotees: "It's not the time to discuss building temples." Balaram Mishra is asking for financial help to repair a Caitanya Mahāprabhu temple)

Prabhupāda: Andaj koto? (Any tentative amount?)

Balaram Mishra: Agge? (Yes?)

Kavirāja: Andaj koto? (Approximate amount?)

Balaram Mishra: Apni jodi kauke bolen na dekhe apnake bole debe . . . (indistinct) . . . apnar ekta lok gele . . . (indistinct) . . . ekhane Mohaprabhur podoseba hoyeche. (If you please ask someone to visit the site he will be able to tell you . . . (indistinct) . . . if any one of your people goes there . . . (indistinct) . . . there the service of the lotus feet of Mahāprabhu was done.)

Prabhupāda: Na na ekta andaj jigessh koro. (No no just say some approximate figure.)

Balaram Mishra: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Apnader to ekta andaj ache. (You must have some approximate assessment.)

(devotees are talking in whispers in background in disapproval)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did he say?

Śatadhanya: He said give him the estimate and he will decide.

Prabhupāda: Apnar to ekta andaj ache. (You must have some idea of the tentative amount.)

Balaram Mishra: Maharaj, byapar hochhe eta to ichhar upor nirbhor korche bujhlen na. Okhane . . . (indistinct) . . . eta ami bolte pari, bujhlen na. Khali ota ektu meramot hoye jabe, tokhon mondir ta ektu bhalo bhabe byabostha hoi tahole seta onek diner jonne aro tike jabe, nahole gelo. (Mahārāja, actually the fact is that this depends on the desire, please try to understand. There . . . (indistinct) . . . that I can say. Only if it gets repaired then the temple will be in a good condition and it will remain there for many more years, else it will be finished.)

Prabhupāda: Apnar andaj nei, apni eto kotha bolchen otar upor. (You don't have any idea, you are speaking so many things on it.)

Bhakti-cāru: Śrīla Prabhupāda apnar ekhon to sorir kharap, ekhon ektu . . . pore alap kore neben. (Śrīla Prabhupāda, you are sick, please take rest now . . . you can discuss this at a later time.)

Kavirāja: Na na thik hai. (Yes yes that's alright.)

Bhakti-cāru: Aar ekhane to Bhaktivedanta charity trust o to ache, oder songe kotha bolte paren. (Besides there is Bhaktivedanta charity trust, you can speak to them in this regard.)

Balaram Mishra: Thik achhe. (Okay.)

Prabhupāda: Oke ektu jiggesh korchi. Sob kotha bolche . . . (indistinct) . . . (I was just inquiring from him. He is speaking everything on that still . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Bhakti-cāru: Apni eto gulo kotha bolchen aar andaj koto khorcha hobe seta bolte parchen na. (You are saying so many things, but you can't say anything about the approximate cost.)

Balaram Mishra: . . . (indistinct Hindi)

Bhakti-cāru: Uni thik anuman korte parchen na. (He is not able to make any ideas.)

Kavirāja: Ji maharaj, thoda sa ji. Thik hai. (Well Mahārāja, please move a little. Yes it's okay.)

(devotees are talking in whispers in background)

Kavirāja: Sudhu kachha haldi to iha pe bhi humne chesta kiya hai. (I tried to procure raw turmeric here.)

Bhakti-cāru: Mila? (Got it?)

Kavirāja: Nahi, pandit ji telephone kiya tha isliye. (No, pandit ji telephoned us for this.)

Bhakti-cāru: Achha. (Okay.)

Kavirāja: Ab mil jayega to hi suru kar dega. (Once we get it, we will begin.)

Bhakti-cāru: Oh. Jayega, mil jayega? (Okay. Will it be available here?)

Balaram Mishra: Mil jayega. Boleche amake. (It will be available. He has told me.)

Bhakti-cāru: Achha. Thik hai mil jane se to achha hi hai, nahi to . . . ayega Delhi se. (Okay. Well it will be good if we get it here, else . . . it will come from Delhi.)

(devotee chanting)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We got some news of some preaching. I was wondering what was a good time to read to you.

Prabhupāda: Here.

Bhakti-cāru: Kaise dikhte hai aaj? (What do you feel about his health today?)

Kavirāja: Tabiyat thik hai aaj. (His health is well today.)

Bhakti-cāru: Achha. Śrīla Prabhupāda ami ektu horlicks banie ani ekhon? . . . aar nozzle ta sorie nebo ekhon Śrīla Prabhupāda? Hoye gache. (Okay. Śrīla Prabhupāda may I prepare horlicks for you now? . . . and should I remove the nozzle now? I think its job is over.) (pause)

Bhakti-cāru: Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Bhakti-cāru: Prosad korben, ota royeche okhane. Eta sorie nebo ekhon? (Will you take the prasad now? It is still kept there. Or should I take it away now?)

Prabhupāda: Hmm. (Take it away.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Like to hear it, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Or should I . . . I could come later on if you think it's better.

Prabhupāda: No. (break)

Kavirāja: Thoda sishi me dalie, iska. (Please put it in the bottle, this one.)

Prabhupāda: Apni ekta estimate dile tarpore amra jabo. (You give us an estimate first, then we will visit.)

Balaram Mishra: Achha. (Okay.)

Prabhupāda: Amra age dekhbo je amader . . . (indistinct) . . . aar apni Narayon ke Tulsi dite chan? Seta ei mondire den na. (First we will see that in our . . . (indistinct) . . . and you want to offer tulasī to Narayana? You can do it in this temple.)

Kavirāja: Narayan par Tulasi. (Offering tulasī to Lord Narayana.)

Balaram Mishra: Ha, ha. Karenge maharaj. (Yes yes. I will do it Mahārāja.)

Prabhupāda: Tamāla Kṛṣṇa ?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes Śrīla Prabhupāda.

Prabhupāda: Give Shastri ji (Kavirāja) ten rupees.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Give this gentleman?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ten rupees. Okay.

Prabhupāda: And some fruits.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Uncut?

Prabhupāda: Hmm, uncut. Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.

Balaram Mishra: Amai kichu debar dorkar nei moharaj, bollam na. E to amar kortobbo ache to. Apni bhalo hon onek pabo. (No need to give me anything Mahārāja, I already told you. I also have some duty towards you. If you become well, will get in abundance.)

Prabhupāda: Apni, Sastri ji haschen. (You, Shastri ji is laughing.)

Kavirāja: (chuckles)

(overlapping conversations)

Prabhupāda: Apnar somman. (For your honor.)

Balaram Mishra: Na somman nahi. Bas to apne kahe diya bas wo hai samman. (No question of honor. What you have told me, that is my honor.)

Prabhupāda: Na na. (No, it can't be.)

Balaram Mishra: Ei kotha je apni bolechen ei amar jothesto. Ei taka te kichu hobe na. (That you have spoken such words, that's enough for me. I don't need this money.)

Prabhupāda: Na . . . (No . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Apnar ashirbad ebong chai je apni . . . bhogoban apnake abar . . . (Your blessings and I want you . . . may God again your . . .)

Prabhupāda: Se to apni chaiben e. (That naturally you will wish.)

Balaram Mishra: Ja seva achhe . . . (All the services that you have . . .)

Prabhupāda: Amar o kortobbo ache. (I also have responsibility.)

Kavirāja: Nahi maharaj ye kotha aap kaise bola aaj ki, koi bola hai ki poison dea hai. Ye aapko kuch abhas hua hai keya? (But Mahārāja how could you say this today that someone has told you that you have been given poison. Do you have any indication?)

Prabhupāda: Nahi aise koi bolega . . . (No one will say such things . . .)

Kavirāja: Oh.

Prabhupāda: Fir dene ka ya hota hai. Shayad koi kitab me likha hai. (It just will be given. I think it's written in some book.)

Kavirāja: Wo kahi karan se ho jata hai. Kachha mercury se ho jata hai. Ya aur koi bhi chij aisa hai, usse ho jata hai. Par aap ke liye kaun karega? Jo ye samajhta hai ki aisa dev purush ke liye koi manasik aisa bichar karega, wo bhi rakshas hai. (Poisoning can happen due to various reasons. It can happen by raw mercury. Also any other thing of that type, that can also become like poison. But who will be doing this to you? Even if someone thinks within their mind about such a thing for such a divine personality like you then he is indeed a demon.)

Balaram Mishra: . . . (indistinct)

Kavirāja: Hriday se kijiye maharaj. (Please do it by heart Mahārāja (Balarama).)

Prabhupāda: To or jonne ki korte hobe sob byabostha? (So what arrangements (for tulasī offering to Lord Narayana) need to be done for that ?)

Balaram Mishra: O ami kore nebo son. Apnake kichu korte hobe na . . . (indistinct) . . . ek hazar Tulasi dal, sahasra namaboli theke, protyek nam path kore apnar ayu kamonai . . . (indistinct) . . . amar ekhane Lokhhi Narayon achen . . . (indistinct) . . . (Everything I will do. You don't have to do anything . . . (indistinct) . . . one thousand tulasī leaves, from Visnu Sahasranama, after reciting each name, for the purpose of begging for your long life . . . (indistinct) . . . I have Lakshmi Narayana here with me . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll give him the fruits now, Śrīla Prabhupāda? I have some fruits. I can give him now?

Prabhupāda: Hmm?

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I have some fruits. I can give him now?

Prabhupāda: Hmm.

Balaram Mishra: Achha maharaj, deachen amake. Ekhon apnar adesh hole . . . (Well Mahārāja, he has given me fruits. Now if you order then . . .)

Prabhupāda: Ashirbad . . . (Blessings . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Ekhon amar kortobyo . . . (Now it's my duty . . .)

Prabhupāda: Apni ashirbad din. (You please give me blessings.)

Balaram Mishra: Hmm?

Prabhupāda: Apni ashirbad. (You please bless me.)

Balaram Mishra: Ha, nischoi. (Oh Yes, of course.)

Prabhupāda: Ami karo omongol kori ni. (I have not done anything bad for anyone.)

Balaram Mishra: Na na, kichu na. Ke bolche? Eto boro kaj korechen moharaj ja bolbar noi. Lokera sob obak hoye ederke dekhe. Je kotoboro kaj korechen. Jekhane jai suni apnar stuti. Sei jonnei amar ichha, je ekhon aar ja kichu apnar opurno mone ache setao jate apnar dwara hoi. Aar hobe. (No no, who said? Don't think like that. You have done such a great job Mahārāja that is beyond words. People see these westerners with amazement. You have done all your duties. Wherever I go I hear your glory. That's why my desire is that, even now if you have some unfulfilled desire, may you accomplish all those things as well. And you will accomplish it.)

Prabhupāda: Bombai te . . . (In Bombay . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Maharaj? (Yes Mahārāja?)

Prabhupāda: Amader mondir khola hobe. (Our temple will be opened there.)

Balaram Mishra: Hmm.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: January mashe. (In the month of January.)

Prabhupāda: Apni se bhar neben? (Will you take that responsibility?)

Balaram Mishra: Ki korte hobe? Protistha? (What do I have to do? Installation?)

Prabhupāda: Haa. (Yes.)

Balaram Mishra: Ha ha. (Yes, I will.)

Prabhupāda: Kirom khorcha hobe? . . . kirom khorcha hobe? (What will be the approximate expenses? . . . how much will it cost?)

Balaram Mishra: Jemon bolben. Bigroher protistha to, protistha ote abar ki ache. Jemon byabostha hobe kore debo. Amar jonne kichhu na. Ami kauke bolbo na tumi eta dao amake . . . (indistinct) . . . bhagger upore thaki. Amar ja ache ami thik pabo. Protyek jinisher moddhei amar ekta biswas. Nahole to jodi amar, apni bolechilen amake, kotobar amar ekhane asar dorkar chilo, kintu ami aar asi ni. Er mane hochhe je ami er upor nirbhor kori. Bhogobot ichha te ja hobar se nischoi hobe. Amake ja bolechilen ami seta palon korbo, apni adesh dile . . . (indistinct) . . . (As you wish. Because it's the installation of the Deity, it will be done. As you will make arrangements, I will do it accordingly. For me nothing is required. I will not ask anyone to give me anything . . . (indistinct) . . . I depend on fate. Whatever is meant for me I will surely get it. In every activity I have this faith. Else, had I had some other motive, you have asked me so many times to come here, but I didn't. The meaning is that I depend on Him. By the will of God whatever will be, will be. What you have said to me, I will obey that instruction, if you order me . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Prabhupāda: Kojon Brhmon jaben? (How many brāhmaṇas will go?)

Balaram Mishra: Jemon byabostha hobe. Pach jon, saat jon. Kenona oto durer byapar to, oto lok beshi nea jaoa ta o . . . (Depends on the arrangements. Five or seven may be. Because it's quite far away, to take many people that far will be . . .)

Kavirāja: Aap ka adesh hoga, aise hi ho jayega sab. Kam bolie aap thoda. (It will be done as you desire. Please don't speak too much.)

Balaram Mishra: Hmm.

Prabhupāda: . . . (indistinct)

Balaram Mishra: Achha tahole ami, abar dekha korbo. Kalke ami apnar jonne korbo. (Well now I will take leave, will see you again. Tomorrow I will do that for you.)

Prabhupāda: Ei apnar . . . ektu asun to. (Hey you . . . please come here once.)

Balaram Mishra: Ha ha. Bolun. (Yes. Please tell me.)

Prabhupāda: Apni barite korben? (Will you do it at your home?)

Balaram Mishra: Ha. Amar ei Lokhhi Narayon bigroho achhe, murti. Narayan sila. (Yes. I have this Laksmi Narayana deity with me. Narayana sila also.)

Kavirāja: Kyu , iha pe ichha ho to iha par ake hi karwaye. (Why, if you wish you may come here and do it.)

Prabhupāda: Ekhane ese korle hoi na? (Can't you do it here?)

Kavirāja: Ekhane ese. (Coming to this place.)

Balaram Mishra: . . . (indistinct)

Prabhupāda: Ha? (What?)

Balaram Mishra: Ekhane eseo hobe na keno? (There's no reason that it can't be done here.)

Prabhupāda: Seta holei bhalo hoi. (I think that will be better.)

Balaram Mishra: Besh. Ja apni adesh korben. (Okay. Whatever you will order.)

Prabhupāda: Radha Krsna o . . . (indistinct) . . . (Radha Krsna can also . . . (indistinct) . . .)

Balaram Mishra: Ami Narayaner bigroho ache, snan korie. thakurke snan than korie tarpore sohosro Tulasi dan. (I have the Deity of Lord Narayana, after bathing. After bathing the deity, then offering thousand leaves of tulasī.)

Prabhupāda: Eikhane jodi koren, ja apnar ja khorcha hobe . . . (If you please do it here, whatever expenses you will have . . .)

Balaram Mishra: O apni tar jonne bhab ben na. Ota chere den. Ota amar kortobbo, ami korbo. Eidike ora sob apnar seba korbe, ami oi khantai korbo. Bujhlen na. Apni kichhu chinta korben na. Amar o to kortobbo. Amra brojobasi, apnar eto boro apni seba korechen desher, tar jonne kichu amar koronio noi. Ami korbo ota. Achha . . . (indistinct) . . . (Please don't worry about that. Don't take it into consideration. That is my duty, I will do it. On that side they will be serving you and on this side I will do. You please don't worry. That's my duty. We are the residents of Vraja, you have done such a wonderful service for the country, don't I have any obligation to do something for you. I will do it. See you . . . (indistinct) . . .)

(indistinct comments by devotees in background)

Prabhupāda: Ekhane ese jodi kore, ja byabostha kore debe? (If he comes here to do it, please make all the required arrangements.)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Achha, debo. (Yes, I will do.)

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What did Prabhupāda say?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Prabhupāda wants to do it here. He's going to . . .

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is he going to do it here? (referring to the offering of one thousand tulasī leaves to Lord Nārāyaṇa for Prabhupāda's recovery)

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Prabhupāda's requesting here. He said it's better if we do it here. So he said, "Make all the arrangements necessary."

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He wants to bring the brāhmaṇas to inaugurate the Bombay temple, Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: That we shall consider later.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 'Cause we already told these South Indian brāhmaṇas to come.

Prabhupāda: Some of them may go also.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hmm. Do you know this man from a long time ago?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He wants some money for some temple?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here in Vṛndāvana.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. Now stop talking. (long pause) (break) You have given him ten rupees?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Ah, Prabhupāda. To that brāhmaṇa?

Girirāja: Yes. He gave ten rupees.

Svarūpa Dāmodara: Tamāla gave ten rupees?

Girirāja: Yes. Śrīla Prabhupāda?

Prabhupāda: Haa?

Girirāja: Would you like soft kīrtana now, or quiet?

Prabhupāda: You were reading something?

Svarūpa Dāmodara: No.

Upendra: He's talking to Tamāla.

Girirāja: Oh, Tamāla Kṛṣṇa. He's . . . (break) Yesterday I spent the day in Delhi, and I opened an account with the Punjab Bank in the name of Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust. And we also gave them a letter that the interest from the ten lakhs sixty thousand should go into that Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity account. And I took the original trust of the new trust, the original deed, and I made some photocopies and got them notarized by notary. And then . . .

Prabhupāda: Photocopy of?

Girirāja: Of the trust deed forming the Bhaktivedanta Swami Charity Trust. And then I bought a copy of the income tax act, because there's some provision that if funds are used to restore some ancient place of worship or some place of worship which is famous in a particular state, then that is exempt from income tax. So I think that this fits in with the aims and objects of this new trust. So we should be able to get tax exemption for that. Then I spoke to Bombay to see how things were doing, and Gopāla Kṛṣṇa said that everything is going nice, and he's coming here on Friday, after two days. So I told him that your condition was very serious and that I wanted to stay here for a little longer. So he said that was okay. And I confirmed with Yaśodānandana Swami's assistant that he sent the letter to the South Indian brāhmaṇas to confirm that they can come on the dates which we have fixed. So we're waiting to hear that reply.

Prabhupāda: You can take some brāhmaṇa from here. Balaram Mishra.

Girirāja: Yes.

Prabhupāda: They'll chant Veda-mantra very nice.

Girirāja: Uh-huh. We can have these brāhmaṇas and also the South Indian brāhmaṇas. (break) (end)